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** Later, Adam manages to repeat this. He makes an altar for the Sun, then promptly throws it down, proclaiming himself Master of the Universe. Eve points out to him that he shivered even then. Adam betters himself and makes a proper offering to God afterwards. His descendants - not so wise.



* NietzscheWannabe: Abiriel suggests ironically that the spirits shall bow before "a dead god". He states a "God is dead"-stance in 1845, while Nietzsche still wore his diapers...

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* NietzscheWannabe: Abiriel suggests ironically that the spirits shall bow before "a dead god". He states a "God god" (actually the sleeping Earth before life is dead"-stance introduced). Later, he denies bowing before Akadiel. The "Zarathustra" mannerisms are visible already in 1845, while the 1829 version, some 15 years before Nietzsche still wore his diapers...was even born.
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* NietzscheWannabe: Abiriel suggests ironically that the spirits shall bow before "a dead god". He states a "God is dead"-stance in 1845, while Nietzsche still wore his diapers...

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--> Love is not surrounded by emptiness, like the source that makes everything flourish. It fills the deep with good deeds...

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--> '''Jesus''': Love is not surrounded by emptiness, like the source that makes everything flourish. It fills the deep with good deeds...deeds...
* RebelliousSpirit: Abiriel is a ''literal'' example, being rebellious, chiding God, calling him a "dead god", wishing to create for himself, and in the end killing off his spiritual existence just because it is more exiting to be a human soul.
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** It is implied that Abiriel`s home planet, and by consequence his native race, doomed themselves because of pride. It seems Ohebiel, which is older, originated somewhere else. The human souls then have a divine intervention not seen before.

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** It is implied that Abiriel`s home planet, and by consequence his native race, doomed themselves because of pride. It seems Ohebiel, [[ArchetypalCharacter which is older, older]], originated somewhere else. The human souls then have a divine intervention not seen before.

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** ''First great victory of Christianity'' - with an ironic twist. {[The roman empire}} gets christianized. And history marches on.

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** ''First great victory of Christianity'' - with an ironic twist. {[The {{The roman empire}} gets christianized. And history marches on.


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** It is implied that Abiriel`s home planet, and by consequence his native race, doomed themselves because of pride. It seems Ohebiel, which is older, originated somewhere else. The human souls then have a divine intervention not seen before.
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** ''The mountain''. Jesus gets illuminated.

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** ''The ''Transfiguration on the mountain''. Jesus gets illuminated.meets Akadiel again.
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** ''Enlightenment of the human spirit'': Prophets and philosophers start to straighthen things out after centuries of suppression.

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** ''Enlightenment of the human spirit'': Prophets and philosophers start to straighthen straighten things out after centuries of suppression.
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* Part A: ''Creation''.

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* Part A: ''Creation''.'''Creation'''.



* Part B: ''Bewilderment''. Tells the story of humanity and the inevitable fall.

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* Part B: ''Bewilderment''.'''Bewilderment'''. Tells the story of humanity and the inevitable fall.



* Part C: ''Salvation'' - {{Jesus}} enters front stage.

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* Part C: ''Salvation'' '''Salvation''' - {{Jesus}} enters front stage.
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''The 1845 version consists of the following parts:''

* Introduction - with a young poet sitting on a hilltop contemplating his lost love, getting inspired.

* Part A: ''Creation''.
** ''The two spirits''. Ohebiel and Phun-Abiriel debating a newly created Earth.
** ''Life on Earth'': Akadiel enters, describing how life enfolds after the fashion of the biblical {{creation myth}}.
** ''Ensoulment'': Abiriel ensouls Adam. Ohebiel ensouls Eve. History is on.
* Part B: ''Bewilderment''. Tells the story of humanity and the inevitable fall.
** ''Adam and Eve''. Tells the story of their life, their children including {{Cain and Abel}}, and their death.
** ''The great flood''.
** ''Emergence of principalities'': Kingdoms and clergy.
** ''Lights in the darkness. The Golden era'': Tells the story of "the man", a universal sage, who teaches all of humanity.
** ''Ruling castes'': How nobility arose. And priests again.
** ''Interlude of hearts'': {{Breather episode}} with earthly love as common theme.
** ''Power and deceit'': A rather ghastly walk-through on human atrocities in recorded history, both carnal and spiritual, and carnal because of spiritual (human sacrifice).
** ''Enlightenment of the human spirit'': Prophets and philosophers start to straighthen things out after centuries of suppression.
** ''Heaven and Hell''. Meanwhile on the metaphysical plane...
* Part C: ''Salvation'' - {{Jesus}} enters front stage.
** ''Temptation in the desert''. Jesus struggles with his role, and is in inner turmoil. Akadiel counsels him.
** ''Jesus and John''. Two childhood friends meet and discuss.
** ''Disciples, the mother and the (girl)friends''. Jesus holds his {{rousing speech}}.
** ''The mountain''. Jesus gets illuminated.
** ''Jesus, the people and the priests''. And here, things take a more nasty turn. Several miracles are performed, and the priests are put to shame.
** ''The last supper''. Also containing Gethsemane and the passion.
** ''Triumph of darkness''. We all know where he is heading, don`t we?
** ''Crucifiction''.
** ''Corporeal resurrection of Jesus'': From the funeral to the ascension.
** ''First great victory of Christianity'' - with an ironic twist. {[The roman empire}} gets christianized. And history marches on.
** ''Spiritual resurrection of Jesus'': The poet goes {{twenty minutes into the future}}, or rather a thousand years, with Akadiel as a spiritual guide. So, bu 2845, it will turn out alright, or what?

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* ViewersAreGeniuses: This book apparently expects you to have stored up some knowledge of certain issues like {{the bible}}, greek philosophers, even some political history.

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* ViewersAreGeniuses: This book apparently expects you to have stored up some knowledge of certain issues like {{the bible}}, greek philosophers, even some political history. history.
* ViveLaRevolution: The poem in both versions. The hints on social freedom as well as existential and spiritual freedom are prominent, and the emergence of christianity is treated as similar to a radical social movement with republican leanings, intended to overthrow the old regime.
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* HistoricalDomainCharacter: {{Plato}}, {{Aristotle}}, Zenon, some hebraic prophets, many bronze age kings, and {{Jesus}}, of course. Wergeland himself makes a cameo in the last chapter.
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* ThePhilosopher: Plato, but also some others. The string of philosophers mark a "spark of light in the darkness" made by human power and deceit. While the priests turn out {{sinister minister}}s, the philosophers are fairly decent. Plato stands out as the one who actually seems to hit closest to the point.
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* RousseauWasRinght: The work is justified on this. Wergeland was brought up on the principles of Rousseau, so the book ''is'' this trope in many respects.

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* RousseauWasRinght: RousseauWasRight: The work is justified on this. Wergeland was brought up on the principles of Rousseau, so the book ''is'' this trope in many respects.
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* RousseauWasRinght: The work is justified on this. Wergeland was brought up on the principles of Rousseau, so the book ''is'' this trope in many respects.
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* SinsOfOurFathers: Pride is Adam`s prominent flaw. And his descendants after him.

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* OrderVersusChaos / BalanceOfGoodAndEvil: Cajahel and Obaddon, creator and destroyer, constantly at eachother`s throats. Only in version A.
* OriginalSin: Pride.

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* OrderVersusChaos / BalanceOfGoodAndEvil: Cajahel and Obaddon, creator and destroyer, constantly at eachother`s throats. Only in version A. \n* OriginalSin: Pride.


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* SinsOfOurFathers: Pride is Adam`s prominent flaw. And his descendants after him.

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* AndManGrewProud: Although in the past, but commented upon. Abiriel hints that this was the fate of his original home planet - hence a warning that it may happen again.

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* AndManGrewProud: Although in the past, but commented upon. Abiriel hints that this was the fate of his original home planet - hence a warning that it may happen again. The fall of man, as told in this work, is set off by {{pride}}.



* OriginalSin: Pride.



* WomenAreWiser: Invoked by Ohebiel, who plays it straight. "Abiriel, you are not wise enough!" Later, Eve follows the pattern, trying to calm Adam down when he sets off the {{fall of man}}.

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* WomenAreWiser: Invoked by Ohebiel, who plays it straight. "Abiriel, you are not wise enough!" Later, Eve follows the pattern, trying to calm Adam down when he sets off the {{fall Fall of man}}.Man.
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* Women are wiser: Invoked by Ohebiel, who plays it straight. "Abiriel, you are not wise enough!" Later, Eve follows the pattern, trying to calm Adam down when he sets off the {{fall of man}}.

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* Women are wiser: WomenAreWiser: Invoked by Ohebiel, who plays it straight. "Abiriel, you are not wise enough!" Later, Eve follows the pattern, trying to calm Adam down when he sets off the {{fall of man}}.
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* Women are wiser: Invoked by Ohebiel, who plays it straight. "Abiriel, you are not wise enough!" Later, Eve follows the pattern, trying to calm Adam down when he sets off the {{fall of man}}.
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* AndManGrewProud: Although in the past, but commented upon.

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* AndManGrewProud: Although in the past, but commented upon. Abiriel hints that this was the fate of his original home planet - hence a warning that it may happen again.
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* AndManGrewProud: Although in the past, but commented upon.
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* EndOfAnAge: The "Golden Age", being the time of teaching, ends with a fall into the Iron Ages, where corruption, deceit and abuse are more common. The rise of rulin castes, like nobility and clergy, follows suit. ''Power and deceit'' elaborates on the consequences of this.

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* EndOfAnAge: The "Golden Age", being the time of teaching, ends with a fall into the Iron Ages, where corruption, deceit and abuse are more common. The rise of rulin ruling castes, like nobility and clergy, follows suit. ''Power and deceit'' elaborates on the consequences of this.
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* BreatherEpisode: the "interlude of hearts", set before ''power and deceit'', and after the rise of the castes.


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* EndOfAnAge: The "Golden Age", being the time of teaching, ends with a fall into the Iron Ages, where corruption, deceit and abuse are more common. The rise of rulin castes, like nobility and clergy, follows suit. ''Power and deceit'' elaborates on the consequences of this.
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* TheObiWan: The "sage" of the golden age is this to all humanity, teaching the societies all the need, from heavenly mysteries to trade and politics.

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* TheObiWan: The "sage" of the golden age is this to all humanity, teaching the societies all the need, they need to know, from heavenly mysteries to trade and politics.
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* TheObiWan: The "sage" of the golden age is this to all humanity, teaching the societies all the need, from heavenly mysteries to trade and politics.
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* ReincarnationRomance: Well, duh. The souls of Ohebiel and Abiriel tend to couple up in constantly new variations because of the celestial inheritance.
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** The trope crosses with the {{amnesiac lover}} because neither of them can remember what was before they awoke as humans.
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* LoveAtFirstSight: Adam and Eve. Justified by the fact that their souls (Abiriel and Ohebiel) already loved eachother, so the two actually recognize, unable to pinpoint where they have seen eachother before. Thus, they both start off with a variation of an incredibly old pick-up line.
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** This trope is also discussed by Abiriel early on. He argues that if he let his mind go, he would think he had all the power he wished for, not restrained by reason at all. In other words: ''With great insanity comes great power'' (a literal inversion).
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* GenreBusting: A cosmic poem blending {{Gnosticism}} [[Series/Babylon5 with political theory and]] ''{{Science Fiction}}''? In ''1845''? Way to go, Henrik Wergeland.

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* GenreBusting: A cosmic poem blending {{Gnosticism}} [[Series/Babylon5 [[Series/BabylonFive with political theory and]] ''{{Science Fiction}}''? In ''1845''? Way to go, Henrik Wergeland.

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