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** Superman [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] this trope in ''ComicBook/PublicEnemies''.
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** Superman [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] this trope in ''ComicBook/PublicEnemies''.''ComicBook/PublicEnemies2004''.
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* Owlman in ''ComicBook/DarkNightsDeathMetal'' outright ''weaponizes'' this trope: because the concept of Owlman, the evil counterpart of Batman from Earth-3 keeps being revived no matter how often the universe is wiped out or destroyed, he knows he'll always come back. So he has no hesitation in blowing himself up to take a buttload of Dark Multiverse Batmen up, who are far less iconic and won't likely come back. The knowledge also cures his nihilism by giving him an eternal purpose of being the evil universe duplicate of the Dark Knight.
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* Owlman in ''ComicBook/DarkNightsDeathMetal'' outright ''weaponizes'' this trope: because the concept of Owlman, the evil counterpart of Batman from Earth-3 keeps being revived no matter how often the universe is wiped out or destroyed, he knows he'll always come back. So he has no hesitation in blowing himself up to take a buttload of Dark Multiverse Batmen up, who are far less iconic and won't likely come back. The knowledge also cures his nihilism by giving him an eternal purpose of being the evil universe duplicate of the Dark Knight.Knight.
* Like most comic book arch-enemies, Black Manta will only seem to be dead or otherwise incapacitated before returning when ComicBook/{{Aquaman}} least expects it. He's survived multiple drowning attempts, having his suit ripped open, being turned into a literal manta man, and having his face bitten off and come out no worse for wear.
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* Like most comic book arch-enemies, Black Manta will only seem to be dead or otherwise incapacitated before returning when ComicBook/{{Aquaman}} least expects it. He's survived multiple drowning attempts, having his suit ripped open, being turned into a literal manta man, and having his face bitten off and come out no worse for wear.
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* Originally justified in ''ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes'' (pre-Crisis) with Roxxas, the murderer of Element Lad's race the Trommites. Upon being about to be killed by Element Lad, Roxxas is confronted by, and terrified by the ghosts of all his victims. The Legion realize that it would be a greater punishment to leave him alive. The trope is eventually maintained once Roxxas gets over his fears, is driven insane, and goes on another mass murder spree.
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* Originally justified in ''ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes'' (pre-Crisis) with Roxxas, the murderer of Element Lad's race the Trommites. Upon being about to be killed by Element Lad, Roxxas is confronted by, and terrified by the ghosts of all his victims. The Legion realize that it would be [[CruelMercy a greater punishment to leave him alive.alive]]. The trope is eventually maintained once Roxxas gets over his fears, is driven insane, and goes on another mass murder spree.
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** In ''ComicBook/WonderWoman1987'' ComicBook/{{Cheetah}} gets put through the wringer and is presumed dead on numerous occasions, but every new writer on the book brought her back usually with nary an explanation.
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** In ''ComicBook/WonderWoman1987'' ComicBook/{{Cheetah}} gets put through the wringer and is presumed dead on numerous occasions, but every new writer on the book brought her back usually with nary an explanation.explanation.
* Owlman in ''ComicBook/DarkNightsDeathMetal'' outright ''weaponizes'' this trope: because the concept of Owlman, the evil counterpart of Batman from Earth-3 keeps being revived no matter how often the universe is wiped out or destroyed, he knows he'll always come back. So he has no hesitation in blowing himself up to take a buttload of Dark Multiverse Batmen up, who are far less iconic and won't likely come back. The knowledge also cures his nihilism by giving him an eternal purpose of being the evil universe duplicate of the Dark Knight.
* Owlman in ''ComicBook/DarkNightsDeathMetal'' outright ''weaponizes'' this trope: because the concept of Owlman, the evil counterpart of Batman from Earth-3 keeps being revived no matter how often the universe is wiped out or destroyed, he knows he'll always come back. So he has no hesitation in blowing himself up to take a buttload of Dark Multiverse Batmen up, who are far less iconic and won't likely come back. The knowledge also cures his nihilism by giving him an eternal purpose of being the evil universe duplicate of the Dark Knight.
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** ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'' [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] this trope in ''ComicBook/SupermanBatman'' StoryArc ''Public Enemies''.
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** ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'' Superman [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] lampshades]] this trope in ''ComicBook/SupermanBatman'' StoryArc ''Public Enemies''.''ComicBook/PublicEnemies''.
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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'':
** This trope doesn't only apply for the Joker. ''Most'' of Batman's RoguesGallery never get killed off ([[LegacyCharacter in principle]]) no matter what happens to them. The common in-story explanation is Batman realizes he's quite capable of killing opponents, [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope but doesn't trust himself not to come up with excuses to do it again if he can rationalize it the first time.]] Often forgotten is that other characters have been insistent on stopping Batman if they think he's really been tempted. Jim Gordon explicitly informs Batman that he, the police, and citizens of Gotham tolerate him because of his moral code, and would not hesitate to deal with him if this was broken. Still doesn't explain why the GCPD does not kill these super villains the moment they resist arrest, and present a clear, and present danger, as the police are legally authorized to do.
*** This is deconstructed in ''WesternAnimation/TheLegoBatmanMovie'' where Batman is unable to reduce the crime rate.
** In DC's ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' alternate reality, Batman has privatized the Gotham City Police Department and has [[spoiler:killed off Killer Croc, Hush, Scarecrow, and Poison Ivy]]. However, even that extremely bitter version of Batman can't bring himself to kill Joker [[spoiler:for the excellent reason that Bruce was the Wayne that got killed in Crime Alley that fateful night; Thomas became Batman and Martha... well, perhaps you can guess.]]
** Occasionally a Batman villain DOES get killed off (i.e. Ventriloquist, [=KGBeast=], Blockbuster I, Clayface II, Black Spider II, Ten-Eyed Man, Magpie etc.), by someone other than Batman, but, alas, being a comic, DeathIsCheap and they usually end up coming back anyway.
** The [=KGBeast=] was originally an aversion to this trope, made to upheld the trope, and then became an aversion again. Batman realized that the villains sheer physical, and mental cunning made him too dangerous to leave alive. Thus Batman left the [=KGBeast=] locked inside a sewer room. The implication was that the [=KGBeast=] starved to death. Later comics rebooted the event to state that Batman later came back and took him to jail. Eventually, the villain was killed with shocking ease by an even more minor villain, the second Tally Man, who did it to frame a temporarily reformed Two-Face.
** Maintained with the New 52 version of Harley Quinn, and Deadshot who [[spoiler:shot through the spine and then completely healed with a Lazarus Pit injection from Amanda Waller]].
** This trope doesn't only apply for the Joker. ''Most'' of Batman's RoguesGallery never get killed off ([[LegacyCharacter in principle]]) no matter what happens to them. The common in-story explanation is Batman realizes he's quite capable of killing opponents, [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope but doesn't trust himself not to come up with excuses to do it again if he can rationalize it the first time.]] Often forgotten is that other characters have been insistent on stopping Batman if they think he's really been tempted. Jim Gordon explicitly informs Batman that he, the police, and citizens of Gotham tolerate him because of his moral code, and would not hesitate to deal with him if this was broken. Still doesn't explain why the GCPD does not kill these super villains the moment they resist arrest, and present a clear, and present danger, as the police are legally authorized to do.
*** This is deconstructed in ''WesternAnimation/TheLegoBatmanMovie'' where Batman is unable to reduce the crime rate.
** In DC's ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' alternate reality, Batman has privatized the Gotham City Police Department and has [[spoiler:killed off Killer Croc, Hush, Scarecrow, and Poison Ivy]]. However, even that extremely bitter version of Batman can't bring himself to kill Joker [[spoiler:for the excellent reason that Bruce was the Wayne that got killed in Crime Alley that fateful night; Thomas became Batman and Martha... well, perhaps you can guess.]]
** Occasionally a Batman villain DOES get killed off (i.e. Ventriloquist, [=KGBeast=], Blockbuster I, Clayface II, Black Spider II, Ten-Eyed Man, Magpie etc.), by someone other than Batman, but, alas, being a comic, DeathIsCheap and they usually end up coming back anyway.
** The [=KGBeast=] was originally an aversion to this trope, made to upheld the trope, and then became an aversion again. Batman realized that the villains sheer physical, and mental cunning made him too dangerous to leave alive. Thus Batman left the [=KGBeast=] locked inside a sewer room. The implication was that the [=KGBeast=] starved to death. Later comics rebooted the event to state that Batman later came back and took him to jail. Eventually, the villain was killed with shocking ease by an even more minor villain, the second Tally Man, who did it to frame a temporarily reformed Two-Face.
** Maintained with the New 52 version of Harley Quinn, and Deadshot who [[spoiler:shot through the spine and then completely healed with a Lazarus Pit injection from Amanda Waller]].
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!!The following have their own pages:
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* JokerImmunity/{{Batman}}
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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'':
** This trope doesn't only apply for the Joker. ''Most'' of Batman's RoguesGallery never get killed off ([[LegacyCharacter in principle]]) no matter what happens to them. The common in-story explanation is Batman realizes he's quite capable of killing opponents, [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope but doesn't trust himself not to come up with excuses to do it again if he can rationalize it the first time.]] Often forgotten is that other characters have been insistent on stopping Batman if they think he's really been tempted. Jim Gordon explicitly informs Batman that he, the police, and citizens of Gotham tolerate him because of his moral code, and would not hesitate to deal with him if this was broken. Still doesn't explain why the GCPD does not kill these super villains the moment they resist arrest, and present a clear, and present danger, as the police are legally authorized to do.
*** This is deconstructed in ''WesternAnimation/TheLegoBatmanMovie'' where Batman is unable to reduce the crime rate.
** In DC's ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' alternate reality, Batman has privatized the Gotham City Police Department and has [[spoiler:killed off Killer Croc, Hush, Scarecrow, and Poison Ivy]]. However, even that extremely bitter version of Batman can't bring himself to kill Joker [[spoiler:for the excellent reason that Bruce was the Wayne that got killed in Crime Alley that fateful night; Thomas became Batman and Martha... well, perhaps you can guess.]]
** Occasionally a Batman villain DOES get killed off (i.e. Ventriloquist, [=KGBeast=], Blockbuster I, Clayface II, Black Spider II, Ten-Eyed Man, Magpie etc.), by someone other than Batman, but, alas, being a comic, DeathIsCheap and they usually end up coming back anyway.
** The [=KGBeast=] was originally an aversion to this trope, made to upheld the trope, and then became an aversion again. Batman realized that the villains sheer physical, and mental cunning made him too dangerous to leave alive. Thus Batman left the [=KGBeast=] locked inside a sewer room. The implication was that the [=KGBeast=] starved to death. Later comics rebooted the event to state that Batman later came back and took him to jail. Eventually, the villain was killed with shocking ease by an even more minor villain, the second Tally Man, who did it to frame a temporarily reformed Two-Face.
** Maintained with the New 52 version of Harley Quinn, and Deadshot who [[spoiler:shot through the spine and then completely healed with a Lazarus Pit injection from Amanda Waller]].
* Originally justified in ''ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes'' (pre-Crisis) with Roxxas, the murderer of Element Lad's race the Trommites. Upon being about to be killed by Element Lad, Roxxas is confronted by, and terrified by the ghosts of all his victims. The Legion realize that it would be a greater punishment to leave him alive. The trope is eventually maintained once Roxxas gets over his fears, is driven insane, and goes on another mass murder spree.
* ComicBook/{{Manhunter}} (the one who's a working mother, and former prosecutor) began her career as a superhero because she's sick of this trope. Her successful kills include [[spoiler:Copperhead (who escaped the death penalty under being not guilty by reasons of genetic anamoly), Monocle, and Dr. Moon]]. She decided not to kill [[spoiler:Shadow Thief,]] on the basis that she [[spoiler:wanted to give the criminal justice system a chance to actually work]].
* In John Ostrander's writing of ''ComicBook/TheSpectre'', his human host (Jim Corrigan) asks Father Cramer why the Spectre never responded to the murder of Coastal City. Father Cramer suggested that the Spectre was designed by God only to respond to certain cries for vengeance.
* ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'':
** Superman deals with this trope as well. ComicBook/LexLuthor for example, despite being a BadassNormal, has long been so embedded into the Superman mythos, that he escapes virtually any hairy situation he gets into. Other Superman villains with varying degrees of Joker immunity might be Brainiac, Mr. Mxyzptlk, The Toyman, Zod and Metallo.
** [[JustEatGilligan Why can't Superman just send Lex Luthor to the Phantom Zone to prevent him escaping from prison]]? Luthor's crimes occur under Earth's jurisdiction, and whenever Luthor stands trial in American courtrooms, he must serve his sentence in American prisons, and in order to be banished to the Phantom Zone, he would have to commit an intergalactic crime against other galaxies or even the universe.
** ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'' [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] this trope in ''ComicBook/SupermanBatman'' StoryArc ''Public Enemies''.
--->'''Superman:''' Why is it that the good villains never die?\\
'''Batman:''' Clark, what the hell are "good villains"?
** Prior to ComicBook/{{Darkseid}}'s death in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'', the villain seemed to be an apt representation of this trope. One time when the Hal Jordan The Spectre "killed" Darkseid, the villain was instantly resurrected. The suggested implication was that Darkseid was a universal necessity needed to represent evil.
** ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'': Doomsday has a version of this trope, as he can die, [[AdaptiveAbility but will return with total immunity from whatever it was that killed him.]]
** Originally this trope was averted with major DC villains such as the Phantom Zone kryptonians, and Sinestro were killed off by their heroic counterparts Superman, and Franchise/GreenLantern (Hal Jordan). Eventually, it was reversed when continuity was retconned to establish that the villains were actually not killed.
* In the ''ComicBook/New52'' universe, heroes such as Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Superman, and Hal Jordan seem to be fine with killing alien invaders in battle. Nevertheless, human villains such as Joker and Deathstroke continue to remain at large.
* Speaking of, this is ''generally'' averted with ComicBook/WonderWoman - in the original [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]] comics, she would often reform her ([[FemalesAreMoreInnocent usually-female]]) enemies, and those reformations generally stuck. In more modern times, she still tries to reform them, but if that doesn't work she has ''zero'' problem [[PragmaticHero killing them outright]] if they're [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman mythological monsters or gods]], and post ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' will even kill irredeemable humans. This often causes... ''friction'' with her more ThouShaltNotKill teammates in the Franchise/JusticeLeague.
-->"There's a reason I don't have a list of villains as long as [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce's]], [[ComicBook/TheFlash Barry's]], or even [[Franchise/{{Superman}} yours]]. When I ''deal'' with them, I '''''deal''''' with them."
** That said, there ''is'' one straight example (barring outright [[JerkassGods Gods]] like Ares or Circe, who are usually ''above'' her weight-class; a "victory" against them usually consists of convincing them to leave humanity alone for a few months) among her villains: the DepravedDwarf Dr. Psycho. This is a guy with ''zero'' interest in reforming, ''very'' deadly PsychicPowers, and an [[SquishyWizard oh-so-breakable human body]]; he's survived so long mostly because he's usually TheHeavy in some other BigBad's scheme, and is smart enough to [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere get the hell out of dodge]] before or shortly after Wonder Woman discovers his involvement.
** In ''ComicBook/WonderWoman1987'' ComicBook/{{Cheetah}} gets put through the wringer and is presumed dead on numerous occasions, but every new writer on the book brought her back usually with nary an explanation.
!!The following have their own pages:
[[index]]
* JokerImmunity/{{Batman}}
[[/index]]
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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'':
** This trope doesn't only apply for the Joker. ''Most'' of Batman's RoguesGallery never get killed off ([[LegacyCharacter in principle]]) no matter what happens to them. The common in-story explanation is Batman realizes he's quite capable of killing opponents, [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope but doesn't trust himself not to come up with excuses to do it again if he can rationalize it the first time.]] Often forgotten is that other characters have been insistent on stopping Batman if they think he's really been tempted. Jim Gordon explicitly informs Batman that he, the police, and citizens of Gotham tolerate him because of his moral code, and would not hesitate to deal with him if this was broken. Still doesn't explain why the GCPD does not kill these super villains the moment they resist arrest, and present a clear, and present danger, as the police are legally authorized to do.
*** This is deconstructed in ''WesternAnimation/TheLegoBatmanMovie'' where Batman is unable to reduce the crime rate.
** In DC's ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' alternate reality, Batman has privatized the Gotham City Police Department and has [[spoiler:killed off Killer Croc, Hush, Scarecrow, and Poison Ivy]]. However, even that extremely bitter version of Batman can't bring himself to kill Joker [[spoiler:for the excellent reason that Bruce was the Wayne that got killed in Crime Alley that fateful night; Thomas became Batman and Martha... well, perhaps you can guess.]]
** Occasionally a Batman villain DOES get killed off (i.e. Ventriloquist, [=KGBeast=], Blockbuster I, Clayface II, Black Spider II, Ten-Eyed Man, Magpie etc.), by someone other than Batman, but, alas, being a comic, DeathIsCheap and they usually end up coming back anyway.
** The [=KGBeast=] was originally an aversion to this trope, made to upheld the trope, and then became an aversion again. Batman realized that the villains sheer physical, and mental cunning made him too dangerous to leave alive. Thus Batman left the [=KGBeast=] locked inside a sewer room. The implication was that the [=KGBeast=] starved to death. Later comics rebooted the event to state that Batman later came back and took him to jail. Eventually, the villain was killed with shocking ease by an even more minor villain, the second Tally Man, who did it to frame a temporarily reformed Two-Face.
** Maintained with the New 52 version of Harley Quinn, and Deadshot who [[spoiler:shot through the spine and then completely healed with a Lazarus Pit injection from Amanda Waller]].
* Originally justified in ''ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes'' (pre-Crisis) with Roxxas, the murderer of Element Lad's race the Trommites. Upon being about to be killed by Element Lad, Roxxas is confronted by, and terrified by the ghosts of all his victims. The Legion realize that it would be a greater punishment to leave him alive. The trope is eventually maintained once Roxxas gets over his fears, is driven insane, and goes on another mass murder spree.
* ComicBook/{{Manhunter}} (the one who's a working mother, and former prosecutor) began her career as a superhero because she's sick of this trope. Her successful kills include [[spoiler:Copperhead (who escaped the death penalty under being not guilty by reasons of genetic anamoly), Monocle, and Dr. Moon]]. She decided not to kill [[spoiler:Shadow Thief,]] on the basis that she [[spoiler:wanted to give the criminal justice system a chance to actually work]].
* In John Ostrander's writing of ''ComicBook/TheSpectre'', his human host (Jim Corrigan) asks Father Cramer why the Spectre never responded to the murder of Coastal City. Father Cramer suggested that the Spectre was designed by God only to respond to certain cries for vengeance.
* ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'':
** Superman deals with this trope as well. ComicBook/LexLuthor for example, despite being a BadassNormal, has long been so embedded into the Superman mythos, that he escapes virtually any hairy situation he gets into. Other Superman villains with varying degrees of Joker immunity might be Brainiac, Mr. Mxyzptlk, The Toyman, Zod and Metallo.
** [[JustEatGilligan Why can't Superman just send Lex Luthor to the Phantom Zone to prevent him escaping from prison]]? Luthor's crimes occur under Earth's jurisdiction, and whenever Luthor stands trial in American courtrooms, he must serve his sentence in American prisons, and in order to be banished to the Phantom Zone, he would have to commit an intergalactic crime against other galaxies or even the universe.
** ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'' [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] this trope in ''ComicBook/SupermanBatman'' StoryArc ''Public Enemies''.
--->'''Superman:''' Why is it that the good villains never die?\\
'''Batman:''' Clark, what the hell are "good villains"?
** Prior to ComicBook/{{Darkseid}}'s death in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'', the villain seemed to be an apt representation of this trope. One time when the Hal Jordan The Spectre "killed" Darkseid, the villain was instantly resurrected. The suggested implication was that Darkseid was a universal necessity needed to represent evil.
** ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'': Doomsday has a version of this trope, as he can die, [[AdaptiveAbility but will return with total immunity from whatever it was that killed him.]]
** Originally this trope was averted with major DC villains such as the Phantom Zone kryptonians, and Sinestro were killed off by their heroic counterparts Superman, and Franchise/GreenLantern (Hal Jordan). Eventually, it was reversed when continuity was retconned to establish that the villains were actually not killed.
* In the ''ComicBook/New52'' universe, heroes such as Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Superman, and Hal Jordan seem to be fine with killing alien invaders in battle. Nevertheless, human villains such as Joker and Deathstroke continue to remain at large.
* Speaking of, this is ''generally'' averted with ComicBook/WonderWoman - in the original [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]] comics, she would often reform her ([[FemalesAreMoreInnocent usually-female]]) enemies, and those reformations generally stuck. In more modern times, she still tries to reform them, but if that doesn't work she has ''zero'' problem [[PragmaticHero killing them outright]] if they're [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman mythological monsters or gods]], and post ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' will even kill irredeemable humans. This often causes... ''friction'' with her more ThouShaltNotKill teammates in the Franchise/JusticeLeague.
-->"There's a reason I don't have a list of villains as long as [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce's]], [[ComicBook/TheFlash Barry's]], or even [[Franchise/{{Superman}} yours]]. When I ''deal'' with them, I '''''deal''''' with them."
** That said, there ''is'' one straight example (barring outright [[JerkassGods Gods]] like Ares or Circe, who are usually ''above'' her weight-class; a "victory" against them usually consists of convincing them to leave humanity alone for a few months) among her villains: the DepravedDwarf Dr. Psycho. This is a guy with ''zero'' interest in reforming, ''very'' deadly PsychicPowers, and an [[SquishyWizard oh-so-breakable human body]]; he's survived so long mostly because he's usually TheHeavy in some other BigBad's scheme, and is smart enough to [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere get the hell out of dodge]] before or shortly after Wonder Woman discovers his involvement.
** In ''ComicBook/WonderWoman1987'' ComicBook/{{Cheetah}} gets put through the wringer and is presumed dead on numerous occasions, but every new writer on the book brought her back usually with nary an explanation.
