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** Of course, considering the only reason Nellie has a job there in the first place is because she stole Andy's job in an absurdly implausible manner, there is plenty of justification for getting rid of her.
** And many of these revelations about her make her come across more UnintentionallyUnsympathetic than anything else, since they in no way excuse the things she's done, and are mostly self-inflicted.
** Or any of the bad things she's done could possibly all be intentional as she later says "I thought I'd get more screen time as a villain." Of course, it worked a bit ''too'' well.
** And many of these revelations about her make her come across more UnintentionallyUnsympathetic than anything else, since they in no way excuse the things she's done, and are mostly self-inflicted.
** Or any of the bad things she's done could possibly all be intentional as she later says "I thought I'd get more screen time as a villain." Of course, it worked a bit ''too'' well.
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* Roy. Even though he was definitely an inconsiderate oaf of a guy with JerkJock tendencies, he was never actually particularly mean or cruel to Pam- their arguments were more rooted in their incompatibility than anything. Plus, despite his idiotic comments about other women’s looks in front of Pam, there was also nothing to suggest he ever actually cheated on her. So, this makes it easy to forget that she was spending years flirting with and ultimately kissed a guy behind his back at the end of the day, which especially sucks for him since he trusted Jim enough to leave her alone with him that night in the first place. Even though they clearly weren’t right for each other and Roy’s no blameless victim in his engagement falling apart, anybody who’s dealt with a partner and a “overly-familiar” coworker can probably sympathize at least a little with his shock and heartbreak at losing Pam to Jim.
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* Roy. Even though he was definitely an inconsiderate oaf of a guy with JerkJock tendencies, he was never actually particularly mean or cruel to Pam- their arguments were more rooted in their incompatibility than anything. Plus, despite his idiotic comments about other women’s looks in front of Pam, there was also nothing to suggest he ever actually cheated on her. So, this makes it easy to forget that she ''she'' was spending years flirting with and ultimately kissed a guy behind his ''his'' back at the end of the day, day- which especially sucks for him Roy since he trusted Jim enough to leave her him alone with him her that particular night in the first place. Even So, even though they clearly weren’t right for each other and Roy’s no blameless victim in his engagement falling apart, anybody who’s dealt with a partner and a “overly-familiar” coworker can probably sympathize at least a little with his shock and heartbreak at losing Pam to Jim.
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* Roy. Even though he was definitely an inconsiderate oaf of a guy with JerkJock tendencies, he was never actually particularly mean or cruel to Pam- their arguments were more rooted in their incompatibility than anything. Plus, despite his idiotic comments about other women’s looks in front of Pam, there was also nothing to suggest he ever actually cheated on her. So, this makes it easy to forget that she was spending years flirting with and ultimately kissed a guy behind his back at the end of the day, which especially sucks for him since he trusted Jim enough to leave her alone with him that night in the first place. Even though they clearly weren’t right for each other, anybody who’s dealt with a partner and a “overly-familiar” coworker can probably sympathize at least a little with his shock and heartbreak at losing Pam to Jim.
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* Roy. Even though he was definitely an inconsiderate oaf of a guy with JerkJock tendencies, he was never actually particularly mean or cruel to Pam- their arguments were more rooted in their incompatibility than anything. Plus, despite his idiotic comments about other women’s looks in front of Pam, there was also nothing to suggest he ever actually cheated on her. So, this makes it easy to forget that she was spending years flirting with and ultimately kissed a guy behind his back at the end of the day, which especially sucks for him since he trusted Jim enough to leave her alone with him that night in the first place. Even though they clearly weren’t right for each other, other and Roy’s no blameless victim in his engagement falling apart, anybody who’s dealt with a partner and a “overly-familiar” coworker can probably sympathize at least a little with his shock and heartbreak at losing Pam to Jim.
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* Roy. Even though he was definitely an inconsiderate oaf of a guy with JerkJock tendencies, he was never actually particularly mean or cruel to Pam- their arguments were more rooted in their incompatibility than anything. Plus, despite his idiotic comments about other women’s looks in front of Pam, there was also nothing to suggest he ever actually cheated on her. So, this makes it easy to forget that ‘’she’’ was spending years flirting with and ultimately kissed a guy behind ‘’his’’ back at the end of the day, which especially sucks for him since he trusted Jim enough to leave her alone with him that night in the first place. Even though they clearly weren’t right for each other, anybody who’s dealt with a partner and a “overly-familiar” coworker can probably sympathize at least a little with his shock and heartbreak at losing Pam to Jim.
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* Roy. Even though he was definitely an inconsiderate oaf of a guy with JerkJock tendencies, he was never actually particularly mean or cruel to Pam- their arguments were more rooted in their incompatibility than anything. Plus, despite his idiotic comments about other women’s looks in front of Pam, there was also nothing to suggest he ever actually cheated on her. So, this makes it easy to forget that ‘’she’’ she was spending years flirting with and ultimately kissed a guy behind ‘’his’’ his back at the end of the day, which especially sucks for him since he trusted Jim enough to leave her alone with him that night in the first place. Even though they clearly weren’t right for each other, anybody who’s dealt with a partner and a “overly-familiar” coworker can probably sympathize at least a little with his shock and heartbreak at losing Pam to Jim.
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* As [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epgOLY2aNFk&t=618s&ab_channel=TheTake this video]] point out, Jan can qualify, considering the toxic workplace environment she's having to put up with and her relationship with the childish and idiotic Michael
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* As [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epgOLY2aNFk&t=618s&ab_channel=TheTake this video]] point out, Jan can qualify, considering the toxic workplace environment she's having to put up with and her relationship with the childish and idiotic Michael
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* As [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epgOLY2aNFk&t=618s&ab_channel=TheTake this video]] point out, Jan can qualify, considering the toxic workplace environment she's having to put up with and her relationship with the childish and idiotic Michael wearing down on her sanity.
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* As [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epgOLY2aNFk&t=618s&ab_channel=TheTake this video]] point out, Jan can qualify, considering the toxic workplace environment she's having to put up with and her relationship with the childish and idiotic Michael Michael
wearing down on her sanity.
* Roy. Even though he was definitely an inconsiderate oaf of a guy with JerkJock tendencies, he was never actually particularly mean or cruel to Pam- their arguments were more rooted in their incompatibility than anything. Plus, despite his idiotic comments about other women’s looks in front of Pam, there was also nothing to suggest he ever actually cheated on her. So, this makes it easy to forget that ‘’she’’ was spending years flirting with and ultimately kissed a guy behind ‘’his’’ back at the end of the day, which especially sucks for him since he trusted Jim enough to leave her alone with him that night in the first place. Even though they clearly weren’t right for each other, anybody who’s dealt with a partner and a “overly-familiar” coworker can probably sympathize at least a little with his shock and heartbreak at losing Pam to Jim.
wearing down on her sanity.
* Roy. Even though he was definitely an inconsiderate oaf of a guy with JerkJock tendencies, he was never actually particularly mean or cruel to Pam- their arguments were more rooted in their incompatibility than anything. Plus, despite his idiotic comments about other women’s looks in front of Pam, there was also nothing to suggest he ever actually cheated on her. So, this makes it easy to forget that ‘’she’’ was spending years flirting with and ultimately kissed a guy behind ‘’his’’ back at the end of the day, which especially sucks for him since he trusted Jim enough to leave her alone with him that night in the first place. Even though they clearly weren’t right for each other, anybody who’s dealt with a partner and a “overly-familiar” coworker can probably sympathize at least a little with his shock and heartbreak at losing Pam to Jim.
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** Also, some episodes point out that he ''really'' wants children. The "Fundle Bundle" above is an example (though he wants them for selfish means, as he says he wants friends who won't have a choice in the matter), as is "Bring Your Daughter to Work Day". One of the arguments he has with Jan is that he wants children (he bought a whole condo for them!) but she doesn't (not to mention the fact that she forces poor Michael to have a vasectomy, then reverse it and then have a SECOND vasectomy whilst making that particular life decision!). Even in "Chair Model", when he tells everyone to find a girl to set him up with, he flat-out states that he wants to play with his children before he gets too old. Even ''Creed'' tears up.
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** Also, some episodes point out that he ''really'' wants children. The "Fundle Bundle" above is an example (though he wants them for selfish means, as he says he wants friends who won't have a choice in the matter), as is "Bring Your Daughter to Work Day". One of the arguments he has with Jan is that he wants children (he bought a whole condo for them!) but she doesn't (not to mention the fact that can't decide if she wants kids with ''him'' (she forces poor Michael to have a vasectomy, then reverse it and then have a SECOND vasectomy whilst making that particular life decision!). Even in "Chair Model", when he tells everyone to find a girl to set him up with, he flat-out states that he wants to play with his children before he gets too old. Even ''Creed'' tears up.
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* As [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epgOLY2aNFk&t=618s&ab_channel=TheTake this video]] point out, Jan can qualify, considering the toxic workplace environment she's having to put up with and her relationship with the childish and idiotic Michael wearing down on her sanity.
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[[caption-width-right:350:''"...and that is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. And that includes you."'']]
* Michael Scott. He may be a TooDumbToLive {{Jerkass}}, but then you consider his horrible relationship with the bitchy Jan and his depression after his roast and his short-lived romance with Holly, whom he still holds a torch for. Also, in general his [[NoSocialSkills lack of social skills]] can be a downer sometimes.
** Even further than that, throughout the show, it's clear that most of Michael's decisions (becoming a salesman being a big one) are made with the intent of either making friends or finding romance. Unfortunately, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption failure seems to be the only option for him]], as bad luck tends to break up any chance at either that Michael's own [[{{Jerkass}} thoughtlessness]], [[ManChild childishness]], [[TooDumbToLive oblivity]], or [[SmallNameBigEgo generally self-centered nature]] doesn't drive away first. It gets really woobieish at the brief points where Michael actually ''realizes'' this, such as in "Bring Your Daughter to Work Day" and "Koi Pond".
** The "Fundle Bundle" tape with young Michael qualifies as MoodWhiplash.
** Also, some episodes point out that he ''really'' wants children. The "Fundle Bundle" above is an example (though he wants them for selfish means, as he says he wants friends who won't have a choice in the matter), as is "Bring Your Daughter to Work Day". One of the arguments he has with Jan is that he wants children (he bought a whole condo for them!) but she doesn't (not to mention the fact that she forces poor Michael to have a vasectomy, then reverse it and then have a SECOND vasectomy whilst making that particular life decision!). Even in "Chair Model", when he tells everyone to find a girl to set him up with, he flat-out states that he wants to play with his children before he gets too old. Even ''Creed'' tears up.
* Dwight can be this in some episodes.
* Pam's become one in later seasons. Interesting in that she started off as TheWoobie, and developed Jerkass tendencies. Examples include: mocking how the senator proposed to Angela; manipulating Dwight, claiming they've been great friends when she knows that's not true, so that he can take care of her daughter for a night, so she (Pam) could ''sleep''; lying and manipulating her way into a nonexistent job where she created her own higher salary because she couldn't cut it as a salesman.
* Nellie is a bitch who [[spoiler:stole Andy's job]] and not only got away with it but basically kicked off a downward spiral that got him fired. On the other hand, we learn that she ''does'' have feelings that can be hurt and that her life is crappier than Michael Scott's was: Due to her shopping addiction she's maxed out all of her credit cards and is in serious debt, she's been rejected for adoption because she's unmarried, she doesn't have any friends or a social life and her family lives in the UK. At the top of the ninth season Andy becomes blatantly abusive towards her and announces his intention to fabricate a reason to fire her, again making her more sympathetic by comparison.
** Of course, considering the only reason Nellie has a job there in the first place is because she stole Andy's job in an absurdly implausible manner, there is plenty of justification for getting rid of her.
** And many of these revelations about her make her come across more UnintentionallyUnsympathetic than anything else, since they in no way excuse the things she's done, and are mostly self-inflicted.
** Or any of the bad things she's done could possibly all be intentional as she later says "I thought I'd get more screen time as a villain." Of course, it worked a bit ''too'' well.
%%** Andy in Season 9. Any sympathy for Andy over what Nellie did went out the window when his family loses their fortune and he abandons the job he just got back from Nellie to sail his family's yacht down to the Bahamas with his brother to sell it. He leaves his manager post vacant, expecting everyone to cover his ass to the main office, doesn't ask his girlfriend Erin to go with him and barely calls, writes or texts her the four months he's gone. When he returns he expects a big welcome back even though everyone's pissed at him and he accidentally blows Dwight's big sale to Jan Levinson's telephone book company. When Erin tells him she doesn't love him anymore after being neglected for so long Andy tells her they can '''pretend''' to still love each other. This causes Erin to finally dump him. Andy's boss David Wallace finds out about him being AWOL and yells at him but since Andy is the one who got him to buy Dunder Mifflin in the first place he can't fire him. Erin starts seeing Pete, the new guy in the office she developed feelings for while Andy was away. When Andy finds out about it he doesn't take it well and tries to fire Pete but Toby tells him it would be illegal. Andy gets back at them by hiring Erin's ex Gabe and Pete's ex-girlfriend just to make them uncomfortable. Pete and Erin end up fighting with their exes much to Andy's delight.
* Angela is rarely sympathetic, but it's hard not to feel bad for her when she's inconsolable after her cat Sprinkles died. She's very attached to her cats, and anyone who has lost a beloved pet knows how upsetting it can be.
* As [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epgOLY2aNFk&t=618s&ab_channel=TheTake this video]] point out, Jan can qualify, considering the toxic workplace environment she's having to put up with and her relationship with the childish and idiotic Michael wearing down on her sanity.
[[caption-width-right:350:''"...and that is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. And that includes you."'']]
* Michael Scott. He may be a TooDumbToLive {{Jerkass}}, but then you consider his horrible relationship with the bitchy Jan and his depression after his roast and his short-lived romance with Holly, whom he still holds a torch for. Also, in general his [[NoSocialSkills lack of social skills]] can be a downer sometimes.
** Even further than that, throughout the show, it's clear that most of Michael's decisions (becoming a salesman being a big one) are made with the intent of either making friends or finding romance. Unfortunately, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption failure seems to be the only option for him]], as bad luck tends to break up any chance at either that Michael's own [[{{Jerkass}} thoughtlessness]], [[ManChild childishness]], [[TooDumbToLive oblivity]], or [[SmallNameBigEgo generally self-centered nature]] doesn't drive away first. It gets really woobieish at the brief points where Michael actually ''realizes'' this, such as in "Bring Your Daughter to Work Day" and "Koi Pond".
** The "Fundle Bundle" tape with young Michael qualifies as MoodWhiplash.
** Also, some episodes point out that he ''really'' wants children. The "Fundle Bundle" above is an example (though he wants them for selfish means, as he says he wants friends who won't have a choice in the matter), as is "Bring Your Daughter to Work Day". One of the arguments he has with Jan is that he wants children (he bought a whole condo for them!) but she doesn't (not to mention the fact that she forces poor Michael to have a vasectomy, then reverse it and then have a SECOND vasectomy whilst making that particular life decision!). Even in "Chair Model", when he tells everyone to find a girl to set him up with, he flat-out states that he wants to play with his children before he gets too old. Even ''Creed'' tears up.
* Dwight can be this in some episodes.
* Pam's become one in later seasons. Interesting in that she started off as TheWoobie, and developed Jerkass tendencies. Examples include: mocking how the senator proposed to Angela; manipulating Dwight, claiming they've been great friends when she knows that's not true, so that he can take care of her daughter for a night, so she (Pam) could ''sleep''; lying and manipulating her way into a nonexistent job where she created her own higher salary because she couldn't cut it as a salesman.
* Nellie is a bitch who [[spoiler:stole Andy's job]] and not only got away with it but basically kicked off a downward spiral that got him fired. On the other hand, we learn that she ''does'' have feelings that can be hurt and that her life is crappier than Michael Scott's was: Due to her shopping addiction she's maxed out all of her credit cards and is in serious debt, she's been rejected for adoption because she's unmarried, she doesn't have any friends or a social life and her family lives in the UK. At the top of the ninth season Andy becomes blatantly abusive towards her and announces his intention to fabricate a reason to fire her, again making her more sympathetic by comparison.
** Of course, considering the only reason Nellie has a job there in the first place is because she stole Andy's job in an absurdly implausible manner, there is plenty of justification for getting rid of her.
** And many of these revelations about her make her come across more UnintentionallyUnsympathetic than anything else, since they in no way excuse the things she's done, and are mostly self-inflicted.
** Or any of the bad things she's done could possibly all be intentional as she later says "I thought I'd get more screen time as a villain." Of course, it worked a bit ''too'' well.
%%** Andy in Season 9. Any sympathy for Andy over what Nellie did went out the window when his family loses their fortune and he abandons the job he just got back from Nellie to sail his family's yacht down to the Bahamas with his brother to sell it. He leaves his manager post vacant, expecting everyone to cover his ass to the main office, doesn't ask his girlfriend Erin to go with him and barely calls, writes or texts her the four months he's gone. When he returns he expects a big welcome back even though everyone's pissed at him and he accidentally blows Dwight's big sale to Jan Levinson's telephone book company. When Erin tells him she doesn't love him anymore after being neglected for so long Andy tells her they can '''pretend''' to still love each other. This causes Erin to finally dump him. Andy's boss David Wallace finds out about him being AWOL and yells at him but since Andy is the one who got him to buy Dunder Mifflin in the first place he can't fire him. Erin starts seeing Pete, the new guy in the office she developed feelings for while Andy was away. When Andy finds out about it he doesn't take it well and tries to fire Pete but Toby tells him it would be illegal. Andy gets back at them by hiring Erin's ex Gabe and Pete's ex-girlfriend just to make them uncomfortable. Pete and Erin end up fighting with their exes much to Andy's delight.
* Angela is rarely sympathetic, but it's hard not to feel bad for her when she's inconsolable after her cat Sprinkles died. She's very attached to her cats, and anyone who has lost a beloved pet knows how upsetting it can be.
* As [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epgOLY2aNFk&t=618s&ab_channel=TheTake this video]] point out, Jan can qualify, considering the toxic workplace environment she's having to put up with and her relationship with the childish and idiotic Michael wearing down on her sanity.
