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*** Mind you, that e-mail was a ShoutOut to a particular fan on the old BioWare official forums, who was well-known there for ''her'' love for Thane before the game was even out. But, as most of the salarians seen in-game are male, techincally is still counts as ho yay.

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*** ** Mind you, that e-mail was a ShoutOut to a particular fan on the old BioWare official forums, who was well-known there for ''her'' love for Thane before the game was even out. out (and the e-mail is in reference to her particular style of posting). But, as most of the salarians seen in-game are male, techincally is it still counts as ho yay.
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*** Mind you, that e-mail was a ShoutOut to a particular fan on the old BioWare official forums, who was well-known there for ''her'' love for Thane before the game was even out. But, as most of the salarians seen in-game are male, techincally is still counts as ho yay.

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** Male Shepard shares his females conterparts seductive walk when approaching Kaidan. Add to that Kaidan's lingering look, and the impression is that of glorious, unrequited Ho Yay.

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** Male Shepard shares his females conterparts female conterpart's seductive walk when approaching Kaidan. Add to that Kaidan's lingering look, and the impression is that of glorious, unrequited Ho Yay.



** Mass Effect 2 also features ''massive'' amounts of LesYay between female Shepard and Tali - Shepard can suggest they get to know each other more intimately, but Tali backs away at the last second and you can all but see (due to her environmental suit) her blushing furiously.

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** Mass Effect 2 {{MassEffect2}} also features ''massive'' amounts of LesYay between female Shepard and Tali - Shepard can suggest they get to know each other more intimately, but Tali backs away at the last second and you can all but see (due to her environmental suit) her blushing furiously.



** Partially lampshaded when you speak with Mordin constantly in Mass Effect 2 and if you're not romancing anyone. While a largely {{asexual}} individual, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq0cOBKaCxg Mordin remarks]] that if he were to ever ''try'' a human, he would [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean try Shepard]]. And yes, he says this to Shepard [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCtFrIFs_Fo no matter the gender]]. Cue Ho Yay vibes... [[YourMileageMayVary if you're into that sort of thing]].

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** Partially lampshaded when you speak with Mordin constantly in Mass Effect 2 and if you're not romancing anyone. While a largely {{asexual}} individual, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq0cOBKaCxg Mordin remarks]] that if he were to ever wanted to ''try'' a human, he would [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean try Shepard]]. And yes, he says this to Shepard [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCtFrIFs_Fo no matter the gender]]. Cue Ho Yay vibes... [[YourMileageMayVary if you're into that sort of thing]].thing]].
** Another salarian [[http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Dossier:_The_Assassin#Email sends you an email]] about Thane which is... well.
--> Seeing him changed my life, woke up something in me I don't fully understand yet. I don't know what I'm going to do, but [[WeAreAsMayflies salarian lives]] are too short to waste as custodians, especially when there's so much else out there. I'm going to find something that lets me capture what I saw in him, that beauty, that aesthetic perfection.
--> I'm also going to buy some nice clothes.
--> So if you could tell him that... or just whatever parts of that you think appropriate... I'd appreciate it.
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*** Louie's backstory involved leaving Manhattan with [[HeterosexualLifePartners his best friend Danny]]; the way he talks about it, it's like they were going to elope and find some place to settle down together and raise their kids away from the ugliness of the city or something.
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->''Wow. This goes past gay, all the way back around past straight, before settling at situationally bicurious.''

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->''Wow. This goes past gay, [[CrossesTheLineTwice all the way back around past straight, straight]], before settling at situationally bicurious.''

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*** Additionally, if you talk to Ryo in the final chapter of the Bad Ending, he'll say something like "I think it'd be great if we could always be together-- Oh, wait, did that sound weird? Like a proposal or something?"
*** During Shinji's Gaiden scene, picking the right options and encouraging him to follow his dream of being a doctor will cause him to blush and respond with something like 'Geez, trying to be cool... Not like I care what you think, but...' And then he smiles. '... Thanks anyway.' Seems like Shinji's {{Tsundere}}...

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*** Additionally, if ***If you talk to Ryo in the final chapter of the Bad Ending, he'll say something like "I think it'd be great if we could always be together-- Oh, wait, did that sound weird? Like a proposal or something?"
*** ** During Shinji's Gaiden scene, picking the right options and encouraging him to follow his dream of being a doctor will cause him to blush and respond with something like 'Geez, trying to be cool... Not like I care what you think, but...' And then he smiles. '... Thanks anyway.' Seems like Shinji's {{Tsundere}}...



** There's also the relationship between [[MadMathematician Hibiki]] and [[GeniusDitz Ryo]], childhood friends who do seem really close; nurse Suzu even fantasizes about their relationship (although she does the same with female school nurse Honoka and practically adopted son/younger brother Hibiki: 'A forbidden teacher x student romance!').
*** There's an archive scene dedicated to their relationship which while focusing on Ryo and his new co-worker, you see another side of [[UnluckyChildhoodFriend Hibiki]] that you don't see in the game.

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** There's also the relationship between [[MadMathematician Hibiki]] and [[GeniusDitz Ryo]], childhood friends who do seem really close; nurse Suzu even fantasizes about their relationship (although she does the same with female school nurse Honoka and practically adopted son/younger brother Hibiki: 'A forbidden teacher x student romance!').
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romance!'). There's an archive scene dedicated to their relationship which while focusing on Ryo and his new co-worker, you see another side of [[UnluckyChildhoodFriend Hibiki]] that you don't see in the game.



*** The game also features some HoYay between Arthur and SpoonyBard [[DudeLooksLikeALady Taliesin]], as well as one-sided [[SubordinateExcuse hero-worship]] for Gaius from his subordinate Decimus; the former involves Taliesin commenting that Arthur can't die because Taliesin 'has prior claim on his life,' while the latter is made more obvious in the anime (and possibly the PS3 game).

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*** ** The game also features some HoYay between Arthur and SpoonyBard [[DudeLooksLikeALady Taliesin]], as well as one-sided [[SubordinateExcuse hero-worship]] for Gaius from his subordinate Decimus; the former involves Taliesin commenting that Arthur can't die because Taliesin 'has prior claim on his life,' while the latter is made more obvious in the anime (and possibly the PS3 game).
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*** [[spoiler:Lemon Browning, her alternate universe counterpart is hooked up with Axel, but doesn't anyone find it a tad suspicious she gets very loving around Lamia, even when they are enemies. Lamia even calls her Mistress.]]

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*** ** [[spoiler:Lemon Browning, her alternate universe counterpart is hooked up with Axel, but doesn't anyone find it a tad suspicious she gets very loving around Lamia, even when they are enemies. Lamia even calls her Mistress.]]



-->'''Brute''': He was my lover! (Upon killing one Brute of a Brute pair.)

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-->'''Brute''': --->'''Brute''': He was my lover! (Upon killing one Brute of a Brute pair.)



---> "There's still nothing here, but I have family and friends... and you."]]

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*** [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean "In my chambers! Immediately!"]]

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*** [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean --->[[IfYouKnowWhatIMean "In my chambers! Immediately!"]]



-->"I-I like you, too. Let's talk about this afterward, shall we?"

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-->"I-I --->"I-I like you, too. Let's talk about this afterward, shall we?"



** The canon game states male. Magical gender transformation whatever. The point is Zelda fans on both sides blatantly IGNORE the canon game in favour of flame wars... which is stupid.
*** Some of the lines Sheik throws doesn't help to dispel the [[strike:HoYay]] [[{{Bifauxnen}} Faux]] Yay:
---->'''Sheik:''' It is something that grows over time... a true friendship. A feeling in the heart that becomes even stronger through time...The passion of friendship will soon blossom into a righteous power through it, you'll know which way to go...
** Also, after her life was saved by her (temporary) HeroicSacrifice, Midna was noticeably a bit too intimate when it came to Princess Zelda...since they ''did'' [[spoiler:share a body]] for quite some time...
*** This seemed to be returned by Zelda, since in the final scene [[spoiler:she appears to be even more disappointed than Link that Midna is leaving forever.]]
** Also, in the ''Oracle of Seasons'' manga, Ricky the ''kangaroo'' was quite Gay for Link: gushing over the [[ChosenOne Chosen Hero]], oozing admiration at Link's [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean sword skills]], and openly voicing his disappointment at the possibility of him having a female love interest...
*** And of course, the fact that Ricky has a pouch makes this one [[ViewerGenderConfusion questionable]].

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** The canon game states male. Magical gender transformation whatever. The point is Zelda fans on both sides blatantly IGNORE the canon game in favour of flame wars... which is stupid.
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stupid. Some of the lines Sheik throws doesn't help to dispel the [[strike:HoYay]] [[{{Bifauxnen}} Faux]] Yay:
---->'''Sheik:''' --->'''Sheik:''' It is something that grows over time... a true friendship. A feeling in the heart that becomes even stronger through time...The passion of friendship will soon blossom into a righteous power through it, you'll know which way to go...
** Also, after her life was saved by her (temporary) HeroicSacrifice, Midna was noticeably a bit too intimate when it came to Princess Zelda...since they ''did'' [[spoiler:share a body]] for quite some time...
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time... This seemed to be returned by Zelda, since in the final scene [[spoiler:she appears to be even more disappointed than Link that Midna is leaving forever.]]
** Also, in the ''Oracle of Seasons'' manga, Ricky the ''kangaroo'' was quite Gay for Link: gushing over the [[ChosenOne Chosen Hero]], oozing admiration at Link's [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean sword skills]], and openly voicing his disappointment at the possibility of him having a female love interest...
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interest... Of course, the fact that Ricky has a pouch makes this one [[ViewerGenderConfusion questionable]].



** And let's not forget the person Kyle's trailing around after like a lost puppy, Brian Bradley... or is he too obvious?
*** [[TheImmodestOrgasm "Did you hear me]] [[IncrediblyLamePun coming...]] [[SlashGoggles Bradley?"]].

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** And let's not forget the person Kyle's trailing around after like a lost puppy, Brian Bradley... or is he too obvious?
*** [[TheImmodestOrgasm --->[[TheImmodestOrgasm "Did you hear me]] [[IncrediblyLamePun coming...]] [[SlashGoggles Bradley?"]].



** The game itself and some [[WordOfGay interviews]] would lead us to believe that Suou and Kurosu are actually the intended pairing.
*** The drama CD "Errors of Their Youth" pretty much makes it official.

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** The game itself and some [[WordOfGay interviews]] would lead us to believe that Suou and Kurosu are actually the intended pairing.
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pairing. The drama CD "Errors of Their Youth" pretty much makes it official.practically operates on the assumption that they're dating.



** Yosuke tends to say things to the main character that sound at least awkward, if not outright flirtatious. That and his semi-homophobic behavior at times seems to be an act of TransparentCloset.
*** [[RavenGrave I]] point you toward the events for Rank 9 of the Magician Arcana, where [[spoiler:Yosuke talks about all the people who are important to him, and ''ends'' with the MC, ''after'' he mentions friends. Yosuke wants the MC to nail him like a 2 x 4, as far as I'm concerned. There's also the Rank 10 event, which somehow managed to make the whole 'and now, we fight like men!' thing just seem waaaaaay too gay. [[DepravedBisexual And I support every minute of it]].]]
*** [[spoiler:"There's still nothing here, but I have family and friends... and you."]]
*** [[spoiler:"Yeah... Like you... You're special to me, you know?"]]
*** And later, [[spoiler:"When I called you "special", I thought some more about it. I think out of everyone, I wanted to be acknowledged by you the most..."]]

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** Yosuke tends to say things to the main character that sound at least awkward, if not outright flirtatious. That and his semi-homophobic behavior at times seems to be an act of TransparentCloset.
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*** [[RavenGrave I]] point you toward the The events for Rank 9 of the Magician Arcana, where [[spoiler:Yosuke talks about all the people who are important to him, and ''ends'' with the MC, ''after'' he mentions friends. Yosuke wants the MC to nail him like a 2 x 4, as far as I'm concerned. 4. There's also the Rank 10 event, which somehow managed to make the whole 'and now, we fight like men!' thing just seem waaaaaay too gay. [[DepravedBisexual And I support every minute of it]].]]
*** [[spoiler:"There's
gay.
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still nothing here, but I have family and friends... and you."]]
*** [[spoiler:"Yeah... Like you... You're special to me, you know?"]]
*** And later, [[spoiler:"When I called you "special", I thought some more about it. I think out of everyone, I wanted to be acknowledged by you the most...
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*** And Let's not forget Kou's [[spoiler: "What are we to you?" speech to Daisuke]] in his Level 9 Social Link.

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*** ** And Let's not forget Kou's [[spoiler: "What are we to you?" speech to Daisuke]] in his Level 9 Social Link.

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** I'd mention certain members of the Chimera unit, but that's more or less canon.

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** I'd mention certain Certain members of the Chimera unit, but that's more or less canon.



*** To be fair, Latooni has a similarly blindingly obvious crush on Shine, to the point that this troper didn't know she was also supposed to have a crush on Ryusei until someone told her, and didn't actually notice any real sign of it until she played OG2, and ''even then'' had to actively be looking for it.



* The ''KingdomHearts'' series, especially the second game (In particular, watch when Sora gets on his knees for Riku. Note that he doesn't cry when he finds Kairi again, but when he finds Riku, he ''breaks''.), is full with Ho Yay undertones between Sora and Riku. But some people may explain why he doesn't go so crazy over Kairi... consider that in the first game, last time he saw Riku, he was either controlled by darkness, really a fake, or sealed behind the door to darkness. Last time Sora saw Kairi? She was safe, hanging out in a nice warm heartless-free waterway, and finally was seen as going home... so obviously he ''knows'' she's at least safe. (Even though, This troper admits, it could have been written better.) But even they pale in comparison to Axel and Roxas' subtext-that-might-as-well-be-text in ''Kingdom Hearts II'' and ''358/2 Days'' (very chiefly on Axel's part in both cases, as Roxas is shown to be too naive to fully grasp the idea of love). Then of course there's the hintings of Axel having some kind of deep relationship with [[spoiler:Saix before they both become Nobodies.]]

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* The ''KingdomHearts'' series, especially the second game (In particular, watch when Sora gets on his knees for Riku. Note that he doesn't cry when he finds Kairi again, but when he finds Riku, he ''breaks''.), is full with Ho Yay undertones between Sora and Riku. But some people may explain why he doesn't go so crazy over Kairi... consider that in the first game, last time he saw Riku, he was either controlled by darkness, really a fake, or sealed behind the door to darkness. Last time Sora saw Kairi? She was safe, hanging out in a nice warm heartless-free waterway, and finally was seen as going home... so obviously he ''knows'' she's at least safe. (Even though, This troper admits, it could have been written better.)
**
But even they pale in comparison to Axel and Roxas' subtext-that-might-as-well-be-text in ''Kingdom Hearts II'' and ''358/2 Days'' (very chiefly on Axel's part in both cases, as Roxas is shown to be too naive to fully grasp the idea of love). Then of course there's the hintings of Axel having some kind of deep relationship with [[spoiler:Saix before they both become Nobodies.]]]] Axel will do anything to save Roxas in KH2, even going against the Organization and [[spoiler:performing a suicide attack to save him.]]
** Not to mention one of the bonus scenes in the Japanese-only Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix, in which Axel and Roxas' spirits meet up one last time on the clock tower after [[spoiler:Axel's death]], where Axel questions the fact that they're not supposed to have hearts, and seems absolutely heartbroken that this will be the last time he can ever see Roxas. When they say goodbye for the last time, Axel addresses Roxas by the Japanese word for partner, and a single tear falls--presumably Axel's.
-->'''Sora''': "Axel? What were you trying to do?
-->'''Axel''': I wanted to see Roxas. He was the only one I liked. He made me feel...like I had a heart."
** Or how about this one:
-->'''Roxas''': "No one would miss me.
-->'''Axel''': That's not true! (quietly) I would..."



** "Isn't this ROMANTIC?"
*** This troper would like to note that Seifer's line there was a reference to his ''FinalFantasy 8'' self, where he frequently used the word "romantic" in the other sense to describe his status as Edea's knight.
** The 358/2 thing is debatable, between Roxas and Axel. In that game Axel appeared to be ''raising'' Roxas, teaching him about the ways of the world, making it appear more to be fraternal affection and BigBrotherInstinct; probably a RetCon on the part of the writers as a reaction to how much people had latched onto the (unintentional?) HoYay.
*** Though that just makes the pairing all the more endearing to some.
** Really? Oh come on. The [[HoYay Ho Yay]] between Axel and Roxas is absolutely undeniable. Axel will do anything to save Roxas in KH2, even going against the Organization and [[spoiler:performing a suicide attack to save him.]]
-->'''Sora''': "Axel? What were you trying to do?
-->'''Axel''': I wanted to see Roxas. He was the only one I liked. He made me feel...like I had a heart."
** Or how about this one:
-->'''Roxas''': "No one would miss me.
-->'''Axel''': That's not true! (quietly) I would..."
** Not to mention one of the bonus scenes in the Japanese-only Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix, in which Axel and Roxas' spirits meet up one last time on the clock tower after [[spoiler:Axel's death]], where Axel questions the fact that they're not supposed to have hearts, and seems absolutely heartbroken that this will be the last time he can ever see Roxas. When they say goodbye for the last time, Axel addresses Roxas by the Japanese word for partner, and a single tear falls--presumably Axel's.

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** ---> "Isn't this ROMANTIC?"
*** This troper would like to note that Seifer's line there was ** It's a reference to his ''FinalFantasy 8'' self, where he frequently used the word "romantic" in the other sense to describe his status as Edea's knight.
** The 358/2 thing is debatable, between Roxas and Axel. In that game Axel appeared to be ''raising'' Roxas, teaching him about the ways of the world, making it appear more to be fraternal affection and BigBrotherInstinct; probably a RetCon on the part of the writers as a reaction to how much people had latched onto the (unintentional?) HoYay.
*** Though that just makes the pairing all the more endearing to some.
** Really? Oh come on. The [[HoYay Ho Yay]] between Axel and Roxas is absolutely undeniable. Axel will do anything to save Roxas in KH2, even going against the Organization and [[spoiler:performing a suicide attack to save him.]]
-->'''Sora''': "Axel? What were you trying to do?
-->'''Axel''': I wanted to see Roxas. He was the only one I liked. He made me feel...like I had a heart."
** Or how about this one:
-->'''Roxas''': "No one would miss me.
-->'''Axel''': That's not true! (quietly) I would..."
** Not to mention one of the bonus scenes in the Japanese-only Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix, in which Axel and Roxas' spirits meet up one last time on the clock tower after [[spoiler:Axel's death]], where Axel questions the fact that they're not supposed to have hearts, and seems absolutely heartbroken that this will be the last time he can ever see Roxas. When they say goodbye for the last time, Axel addresses Roxas by the Japanese word for partner, and a single tear falls--presumably Axel's.
knight, but yeah.



** Don't forget the line the Spy gives when he [[FoeYay dominates an enemy Spy:]] "See you in hell, you hansome rogue."
*** Admittedly, all Spies look exactly alike, so this may be more of a case of [[ScrewYourself Self Yay.]]
* While Rios and Salem of ''ArmyOfTwo'' are undoubtedly the poster-boys for HoYay, and MissionControl probably sees them like this given the way she doesn't buy into their machismo, it seems like the [[TransparentCloset devs were going for]] more of a [[strike:juvenile]] frat-boy attitude to complement the game's constant hammering home that the ''military'' is no fun, and out of its league to boot, while ''private contractors'' are gods in mortal form. This troper believes that given the setting, they become deeper, more interesting characters if [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic looked at]] as an actual gay couple.

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** Don't forget the line the Spy gives when he [[FoeYay dominates an enemy Spy:]] "See you in hell, you hansome rogue."
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" Admittedly, all Spies look exactly alike, so this may be more of a case of [[ScrewYourself Self Yay.]]
* While Rios and Salem of ''ArmyOfTwo'' are undoubtedly the poster-boys for HoYay, and MissionControl probably sees them like this given the way she doesn't buy into their machismo, it seems like the [[TransparentCloset devs were going for]] more of a [[strike:juvenile]] frat-boy attitude to complement the game's constant hammering home that the ''military'' is no fun, and out of its league to boot, while ''private contractors'' are gods in mortal form. This troper believes that given the setting, they become deeper, more interesting characters if [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic looked at]] as an actual gay couple.



** ThisTroper is convinced that that was meant as a ShoutOut or some such to the Shinji/Kaworu situation in ''NeonGenesisEvangelion''. The parallels between the two are striking.



** In-game mails suggest that Endrance's player is pansexual. [[spoiler:He was similarly dependant on Mia back when he was Elk, and his affections as Endrance transferred to Haseo after the cat on his shoulder (referred to as Mia) turned out to be AIDA and was destroyed.]] Of course, this sound reasoning still doesn't prevent this particular troper from finding Endrance's version of the [[spoiler:post-ending wedding event]] to be both hilarious and amazingly creepy. [[spoiler:Does he ''really'' need to wear a dress?]]
** Is this troper the only one who finds Ovan's apparent obsession with Haseo to be more than a little creepy?
** The same can be said about [[ShotaCon Bo's]] great admiration for Haseo (and Haseo's strange kindness towards Bo, seeing how Haseo was a Jackass to everybody when he met Bo).
*** Of course, Bo is [[CuteShotaroBoy adorable.]] It is impossible to be mean to him, unless your his sister, who's [[JerkAss even worse]] than Haseo was.

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** In-game mails suggest that Endrance's player is pansexual. [[spoiler:He was similarly dependant on Mia back when he was Elk, and his affections as Endrance transferred to Haseo after the cat on his shoulder (referred to as Mia) turned out to be AIDA and was destroyed.]] Of course, this sound reasoning still doesn't prevent this particular troper from finding ]] Endrance's version of the [[spoiler:post-ending wedding event]] to be is both hilarious and amazingly creepy. [[spoiler:Does creepy; [[spoiler:does he ''really'' need to wear a dress?]]
** Is this troper the only one who finds Ovan's apparent obsession with Haseo to be more than a little creepy?
creepy, too.
** The same can be said about [[ShotaCon Bo's]] great admiration for Haseo (and Haseo's strange kindness towards Bo, seeing how Haseo was a Jackass to everybody when he met Bo).
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Bo). Of course, Bo is [[CuteShotaroBoy adorable.]] It is impossible to be mean to him, unless your his sister, who's [[JerkAss even worse]] than Haseo was.



* Hitomi and Lei Fang from the ''DeadOrAlive'' games (more specifically the ''Xtreme'' spinoffs) appear to be ''very'' fond of one another.
** Since the series is practically a big playable {{Fanservice}}... that's not so surprising.
*** In fact, although they're some of the biggest examples, it's downright notorious for this among GirlsLove circles, and it's probably easier to find a pair of females you ''can't'' read this into.

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* Hitomi and Lei Fang from the ''DeadOrAlive'' games (more specifically the ''Xtreme'' spinoffs) appear to be ''very'' fond of one another.
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another. Since the series is practically a big playable {{Fanservice}}... that's not so surprising.
*** ** In fact, although they're some of the biggest examples, it's downright notorious for this among GirlsLove circles, and it's probably easier to find a pair of females you ''can't'' read this into.



*** It's an older phenomenon than that in the 'Vanias; Hugh and Nathan of ''Circle of the Moon'' are rivalslash-tastic - fellow tropers, when your happily married straight male friend announces that Hugh has it bad for Nathan and the subtext is far too large for the Gameboy screen to contain, you know you are not simply seeing things. Dracula is rather - something at Morris Baldwin, too.

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*** It's an older phenomenon than that in the 'Vanias; Hugh and Nathan of ''Circle of the Moon'' are rivalslash-tastic - fellow tropers, when your happily married straight male friend announces that Hugh has it bad for Nathan and the subtext is far too large for the Gameboy screen to contain, you know you are not simply seeing things. Dracula is rather - something at Morris Baldwin, too.



** Since we're talking about Castlevania, let's not forget the always-together antagonists. Death is Dracula's confidant ''indeed...''
*** This troper always found Death's description in the enemies' guides throughout the games quite... bizarre. "Dracula's ''intimate'' friend"? "Knows ''many dark secrets'' "? Okaaaay...
**** Thinking about it, given that Dracula's already known as practically the master of evil, it's difficult to imagine any secrets he has being darker than what he's already known for, which does lead one to wonder if these secrets are of a rather different nature...
*** In ''Portrait of Ruin'', Death appears out of nowhere to block Jonathan's attack on the newly-risen Dracula, and the two fight you together. When you [=KO=] one, Death gives Dracula his power and Dracula uses ''Power of Dominance'' to "merge" Death's soul to his and become True Dracula. Soulmates... ? Plus, there are his quotes in ''Judgment'': After defeating himself in a MirrorMatch, Death opinions that "One advisor is all the Master requires."
*** Also in ''Judgment'', his ending sequence: "Death, unconstrained by mortality, pursued every possible means of reviving his master. Why would such a being serve Dracula so loyally? Perhaps there is some ''[[ThePowerOfLove greater force at play behind it all]]''..."
*** In the same game, Carmilla is referred to as "Dracula's plaything" by Alucard, and one of her victory lines implies that only Dracula can satisfy her. (Poor Laura.) And yet she remains jealous of how Death is "always at Dracula's side".

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** Since we're talking about Castlevania, let's not forget the always-together antagonists. Death is Dracula's confidant ''indeed...''
*** This troper always found Death's description in the enemies' guides throughout the games quite... bizarre.
'' "Dracula's ''intimate'' friend"? "Knows ''many dark secrets'' "? Okaaaay...
****
Okaaaay... Thinking about it, given that Dracula's already known as practically the master of evil, it's difficult to imagine any secrets he has being darker than what he's already known for, which does lead one to wonder if these secrets are of a rather different nature...
*** ** In ''Portrait of Ruin'', Death appears out of nowhere to block Jonathan's attack on the newly-risen Dracula, and the two fight you together. When you [=KO=] one, Death gives Dracula his power and Dracula uses ''Power of Dominance'' to "merge" Death's soul to his and become True Dracula. Soulmates... ? Plus, there are his quotes in ''Judgment'': After defeating himself in a MirrorMatch, Death opinions that "One advisor is all the Master requires."
*** ** Also in ''Judgment'', his ending sequence: "Death, unconstrained by mortality, pursued every possible means of reviving his master. Why would such a being serve Dracula so loyally? Perhaps there is some ''[[ThePowerOfLove greater force at play behind it all]]''..."
*** ** In the same game, Carmilla is referred to as "Dracula's plaything" by Alucard, and one of her victory lines implies that only Dracula can satisfy her. (Poor Laura.) And yet she remains jealous of how Death is "always at Dracula's side".



*** Let's not forget that the last thing Samus sees of her is [[spoiler:her own power suit begging for mercy. That's harsh.]]

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*** ** Let's not forget that the last thing Samus sees of her is [[spoiler:her own power suit begging for mercy. That's harsh.]]



* It might seem odd to mention ''TheSims 2'', a game best known for its EveryoneIsBi mechanics. However, the stories of the pre-packaged characters are uniformly straight, except for Strangetown's Pascal Curious and Nervous Subject. True, the game opens on them as friends, but Nervous is coded to walk by the Curious household just as Pascal [[MisterSeahorse goes into labor]] with his [[FaceFullOfAlienWingWong alien baby]]. This troper's friend referred to them as being "pre-queered for your convenience." Well, ''almost''.

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* It might seem odd to mention ''TheSims 2'', a game best known for its EveryoneIsBi mechanics. However, the stories of the pre-packaged characters are uniformly straight, except for Strangetown's Pascal Curious and Nervous Subject. True, the game opens on them as friends, but Nervous is coded to walk by the Curious household just as Pascal [[MisterSeahorse goes into labor]] with his [[FaceFullOfAlienWingWong alien baby]]. This troper's friend referred to them as being "pre-queered for your convenience." Well, ''almost''.



* In ''ManaKhemiaAlchemistsOfAlRevis'' the main character Vayne Aurelius and Roxis Rosenkrantz have a good deal of FoeYay going on throughout the game. I mean, even Roxis's ending is HoYay-tastic, with [[spoiler:Vayne and Roxis becoming sparring partners (ahem), and the loser then subjected to the winner's experiments.]]. All sounds rather kinky to this troper.
** What, FoeYay? It seemed to this troper that it was flat out HoYay around/after the third character quest. Not to mention the infamous Magic Stone Collar event...

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* In ''ManaKhemiaAlchemistsOfAlRevis'' the main character Vayne Aurelius and Roxis Rosenkrantz have a good deal of FoeYay going on throughout the game. I mean, even Roxis's ending is HoYay-tastic, with [[spoiler:Vayne and Roxis becoming sparring partners (ahem), and the loser then subjected to the winner's experiments.]]. All ]] It all sounds rather kinky to this troper.
** What, FoeYay? It seemed to this troper that it was flat out HoYay around/after
kind of kinky. By the third character quest. Not to mention the infamous Magic Stone Collar event...quest it was outright HoYay.



*** Not to mention Chapter 3 of Pepperoni's character quest. He practically screams in ecstasy when he oil wrestled Gato.
*** There's also Chapter 4 of Gato's character quest where he had to pretend to be attracted to Pepperoni and Enna to break up with Marta. Enna was constantly disgusted by the whole ordeal, Pepperoni on the other hand enjoying everything.

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*** ** Not to mention Chapter 3 of Pepperoni's character quest. He practically screams in ecstasy when he oil wrestled Gato.
*** There's ***There's also Chapter 4 of Gato's character quest where he had to pretend to be attracted to Pepperoni and Enna to break up with Marta. Enna was constantly disgusted by the whole ordeal, Pepperoni on the other hand enjoying everything.



** This troper is surprised no one has mentioned Tira's Critical Finisher in the game itself. It's a [[KissOfDeath death kiss]]. Which can be performed. On anyone. [[LesYay Even women.]]

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** This troper is surprised no one has mentioned Tira's Critical Finisher in the game itself. It's a [[KissOfDeath death kiss]]. Which can be performed. On anyone. [[LesYay Even women.]]



** Is this troper the only one who sees tones of LesYay in some of the dialogue involving Maylene & Candice if they visit your Villa together in ''Platinum''? Or the fact that they're together? The same might possibly be said for [[HoYay Flint & Volkner]], [[YuriFanboy but that's not important]].
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** Is this troper the only one who sees There seems to be some tones of LesYay in some of the dialogue involving Maylene & Candice if they visit your Villa together in ''Platinum''? Or the fact that they're together? The same might possibly be said for [[HoYay Flint & Volkner]], [[YuriFanboy but that's not important]].
*** Many more than one YaoiFangirl would disagree.
Volkner]].



* ''MassEffect''. Sure, there's the canonical stuff (if you want to pursue it) between femme Shepard and Liara, but this troper prefers male Shepard/Kaidan. There are some lines to support it as well ("When it's just you and me, Alenko, consider it off the record..."), especially if you choose [[spoiler:to save Kaidan over Ashley.]]

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* ''MassEffect''. Sure, there's the canonical stuff (if you want to pursue it) between femme Shepard and Liara, but this troper prefers subtext-wise there's male Shepard/Kaidan. There are some lines to support it as well ("When it's just you and me, Alenko, consider it off the record..."), especially if you choose [[spoiler:to save Kaidan over Ashley.]]



*** This troper would like to believe that Excella is a hilarious example of Capcom thumbing their nose at Wesker's legions of fangirls. Go ahead, drape yourself all over him - he's going to ignore you in favor of science and trying to kill Chris, until he [[spoiler:notices you long enough to betray you, kill you, and turn you into a giant tentacle monster. To kill Chris.]]



** It may just be me, but while Claire/Sherry is such a sweet little adopted mother/daughter dynamic now, [[WifeHusbandry give Sherry a couple more years of]] BreakTheCutie...[[HurtComfortFic Claire's the only one there for her.]]

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** It may just be me, but while While Claire/Sherry is such a sweet little adopted mother/daughter dynamic now, [[WifeHusbandry give Sherry a couple more years of]] BreakTheCutie...[[HurtComfortFic Claire's the only one there for her.]]



* ''FatalFrame'' has a rather LesYay-rific relatonship between Rei and Miku. Both women clearly care deeply for one another. And often in VERY sexy lingerie in many of their scenes together. The fact that Rei's still [[ReplacementGoldfish mourning her husband]] [[YourMileageMayVary might or might not]] add to this. ThisTroper and his friend were convinced there was romantic subtext, although [[YuriFanboy there might be another explanation]]...

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* ''FatalFrame'' has a rather LesYay-rific relatonship between Rei and Miku. Both women clearly care deeply for one another. And often in VERY sexy lingerie in many of their scenes together. The fact that Rei's still [[ReplacementGoldfish mourning her husband]] [[YourMileageMayVary might or might not]] add to this. ThisTroper and his friend were convinced there was romantic subtext, although [[YuriFanboy there might be another explanation]]...
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-- [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRtyXNd5OL8 youtube comment]] about the infamous "sailors" quest from {{Shenmue}}.

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->''Wow. This goes past gay, all the way back around past straight, before settling at situationally bicurious.''
-- [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRtyXNd5OL8 youtube comment]] about the infamous "sailors" quest from {{Shenmue}}.
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* From ''TheSims 2'', there is Pascal Curious / Nervous Subject. Most people play them as gay.
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** Also, it's hard ''not'' to envision Litchi Faye Ling as an [[AmbiguouslyGay ambiguous]] [[BiTheWay bisexual]] given her propensity to dress other girls up in cute outfits and dote over them (Noel in ''Calamity Trigger'', Tsubaki in ''Continuum Shift''), and in a non-canonical Teach Me, Ms. Litchi: Reloaded segment, Litchi was apparently very... "thorough" when examining Noel's "beautiful, lithe, etc." body in a Teach Me, Ms. Litchi: Reloaded segment...and doesn't realize she was being so "thorough" because it was like "a dream come true". The fact that she is the most common target of Taokaka's breast groping, and seems almost tolerant (if embarassed) of it on a few occasions only adds to the speculation.

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** Also, it's hard ''not'' to envision Litchi Faye Ling as an [[AmbiguouslyGay ambiguous]] [[BiTheWay bisexual]] given her propensity to dress other girls up in cute outfits and dote over them (Noel in ''Calamity Trigger'', Tsubaki in ''Continuum Shift''), and in a non-canonical Teach Me, Ms. Litchi: Reloaded segment, Litchi was apparently very... "thorough" when examining Noel's "beautiful, lithe, etc." body in a Teach Me, Ms. Litchi: Reloaded segment...body...and doesn't realize she was being so "thorough" because it was like "a dream come true". The fact that she is the most common target of Taokaka's breast groping, and seems almost tolerant (if (albeit embarassed) of it on a few occasions only adds to the speculation.
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** Also, it's hard ''not'' to envision Litchi Faye Ling as an [[Ambiguously ambiguous]] [[BiTheWay bisexual]] given her propensity to dress other girls up in cute outfits and dote over them (Noel in ''Calamity Trigger'', Tsubaki in ''Continuum Shift''), and in a non-canonical Teach Me, Ms. Litchi: Reloaded segment, Litchi was apparently very... "thorough" when examining Noel's "beautiful, lithe, etc." body in a Teach Me, Ms. Litchi: Reloaded segment...and doesn't realize she was being so "thorough" because it was like "a dream come true". The fact that she is the most common target of Taokaka's breast groping, and seems almost tolerant (if embarassed) of it on a few occasions only adds to the speculation.

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** Also, it's hard ''not'' to envision Litchi Faye Ling as an [[Ambiguously [[AmbiguouslyGay ambiguous]] [[BiTheWay bisexual]] given her propensity to dress other girls up in cute outfits and dote over them (Noel in ''Calamity Trigger'', Tsubaki in ''Continuum Shift''), and in a non-canonical Teach Me, Ms. Litchi: Reloaded segment, Litchi was apparently very... "thorough" when examining Noel's "beautiful, lithe, etc." body in a Teach Me, Ms. Litchi: Reloaded segment...and doesn't realize she was being so "thorough" because it was like "a dream come true". The fact that she is the most common target of Taokaka's breast groping, and seems almost tolerant (if embarassed) of it on a few occasions only adds to the speculation.
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** Also, it's hard ''not'' to envision Litchi Faye Ling as an [[Ambiguously ambiguous]] [[BiTheWay bisexual]] given her propensity to dress other girls up in cute outfits and dote over them (Noel in ''Calamity Trigger'', Tsubaki in ''Continuum Shift''), and in a non-canonical Teach Me, Ms. Litchi: Reloaded segment, Litchi was apparently very... "thorough" when examining Noel's "beautiful, lithe, etc." body in a Teach Me, Ms. Litchi: Reloaded segment...and doesn't realize she was being so "thorough" because it was like "a dream come true". The fact that she is the most common target of Taokaka's breast groping, and seems almost tolerant (if embarassed) of it on a few occasions only adds to the speculation.


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*** The semi-canonical ''Inaba of the Moon and Earth'' only seems to confirm what a {{Tsundere}} Mokou is.
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** Partially lampshaded when you speak with Mordin constantly in Mass Effect 2 and if you're not romancing anyone. While a largely {{asexual}} individual, Mordin remarks that if he were to ever ''try'' a human, he would [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean try Shepard]]. And yes, he says this to Shepard [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCtFrIFs_Fo no matter the gender]]. Cue Ho Yay vibes... [[YourMileageMayVary if you're into that sort of thing]].

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** Partially lampshaded when you speak with Mordin constantly in Mass Effect 2 and if you're not romancing anyone. While a largely {{asexual}} individual, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq0cOBKaCxg Mordin remarks remarks]] that if he were to ever ''try'' a human, he would [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean try Shepard]]. And yes, he says this to Shepard [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCtFrIFs_Fo no matter the gender]]. Cue Ho Yay vibes... [[YourMileageMayVary if you're into that sort of thing]].
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** There's a lot of HoYay fan-speculation with Link and Sheik as well. After all, [[FanDumb women from all over]] are [[DroppedABridgetOnHIm throwing themselves]] at [[WholesomeCrossdresser "him"]], but the only one who he interacts with on a regular basis is the [[SweetPollyOliver blonde "boy"]] in the corner playing the lyre (and Link's always so ''intent'' on finding [[SmokeOut where]] [[{{Bifauxnen}} "he"]] [[SmokeOut disappears to]]).

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** There's a lot of HoYay fan-speculation with Link and Sheik as well (well, if Sheik ''is'' actually a guy... NOT). After all, [[FanDumb women from all over]] are [[DroppedABridgetOnHIm throwing themselves]] at [[WholesomeCrossdresser "him"]], but the only one who he interacts with on a regular basis is the [[SweetPollyOliver blonde "boy"]] in the corner playing the lyre (and Link's always so ''intent'' on finding [[SmokeOut where]] [[{{Bifauxnen}} "he"]] [[SmokeOut disappears to]]).

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** There's a lot of HoYay fan-speculation with Link and Sheik as well (well, if Sheik ''is'' actually a guy... NOT). well. After all, [[FanDumb women from all over]] are [[DroppedABridgetOnHIm throwing themselves]] at [[WholesomeCrossdresser "him"]], but the only one who he interacts with on a regular basis is the [[SweetPollyOliver blonde "boy"]] in the corner playing the lyre (and Link's always so ''intent'' on finding [[SmokeOut where]] [[{{Bifauxnen}} "he"]] [[SmokeOut disappears to]]).to]]).
** The canon game states male. Magical gender transformation whatever. The point is Zelda fans on both sides blatantly IGNORE the canon game in favour of flame wars... which is stupid.
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** Partially lampshaded when you speak with Mordin constantly in Mass Effect 2 and if you're not romancing anyone. While a largely asexual individual, Mordin remarks that if he were to ever ''try'' a human, he would [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean try Shepard]]. And yes, he says this to male Shepard. Cue Ho Yay vibes... [[YourMileageMayVary if you're into that sort of thing]].

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** Partially lampshaded when you speak with Mordin constantly in Mass Effect 2 and if you're not romancing anyone. While a largely asexual {{asexual}} individual, Mordin remarks that if he were to ever ''try'' a human, he would [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean try Shepard]]. And yes, he says this to male Shepard.Shepard [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCtFrIFs_Fo no matter the gender]]. Cue Ho Yay vibes... [[YourMileageMayVary if you're into that sort of thing]].
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** Partially lampshaded when you speak with Mordin constantly in Mass Effect 2 and if you're not romancing anyone. He suspects Shepard ''really'' likes him and essentially turns you down. However, he does add -in a cheerful tone, I might add- that if he were to "try human", he would "try" Shepard. Note that the conversation is the exact same for ''both'' genders of Shepards, but this troper got some ''big'' Ho Yay vibes from that convo while playing as a Male Shepard.

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** Partially lampshaded when you speak with Mordin constantly in Mass Effect 2 and if you're not romancing anyone. He suspects Shepard ''really'' likes him and essentially turns you down. However, he does add -in While a cheerful tone, I might add- largely asexual individual, Mordin remarks that if he were to "try human", ever ''try'' a human, he would "try" [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean try Shepard]]. And yes, he says this to male Shepard. Note that the conversation is the exact same for ''both'' genders of Shepards, but this troper got some ''big'' Cue Ho Yay vibes from vibes... [[YourMileageMayVary if you're into that convo while playing as a Male Shepard.sort of thing]].
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*** In the same game, Carmilla is referred to as "Dracula's plaything" by Alucard, and one of her victory lines implies that only Dracula can satisfy her. (Poor Laura.) And yet she remains jealous of how Death is "always at Dracula's side".
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** She's not limited to groping Litchi's breasts, either. In ''Continuum Shift'' Tsubaki becomes a victim of Tao's ravenous lust for boobies. Noel would be as well, if she weren't [[Pettanko flat-chested]], something Taokaka has to make a point of mentioning every time she sees her.

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** She's not limited to groping Litchi's breasts, either. In ''Continuum Shift'' Tsubaki becomes a victim of Tao's ravenous lust for boobies. Noel would be as well, if she weren't [[Pettanko flat-chested]], something Taokaka has to make a point of mentioning every time she sees her.
** Speaking of Noel, she's become quite a case of EvenTheGirlsWantHer, as Litchi has a fetish for dressing Noel up in cute outfits, and Makoto is extremely protective of her. There's also a ''lot'' of Noel X Rachel art, and much of it is ''official''!
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** Well, the first thing Dracula says when he is revived in ''Belmont Legacy'' comic is "Belmont! You are mine!".
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* In ''MortalKombat: Deception'', Nightwolf's ending has him literally go through hell to reunite Liu Kang with his body.
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** Aaron and Lucario... wow. The eighth movie made it really, really hard to not ship it.
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** The sequel has an even stronger version, where Subject Delta picks up an audio-log from Stanley Poole, in which Stan describes how he needs to be "more like Johnny Topside" (Delta pre-Daddy suit).
---> '''Stanley''': I keep thinking of Johnny Topside, though. Took real guts to find Rapture like he did... makes it easier not to crack if I sort of... imagine that I'm him. It's a good thing I can't tell Lamb about that. She'd probably say I got a secret need to fall into his arms and make wild whoopee or somethin'!
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