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** Watsonian: Maybe instead of being pink due to red blood, they're gray/sepia due to gray/brown blood. Not sure about the "clothes", though.
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** You just want a Tron mod for Skyrim, don't you?
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** You just want a Tron mod for Skyrim, don't you?you?
*So, the move implies that Flynn spent up to several hours in the digital world. If that's the case, what the heck were Alan and Lora doing the entire time he was gone?
*So, the move implies that Flynn spent up to several hours in the digital world. If that's the case, what the heck were Alan and Lora doing the entire time he was gone?
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** And not just large systems. ''All'' computers have Grids, and in it every program on the system is represented by a Program in the Grid. My Chrome spends [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife a lot of time on the TV Tropes server grid.]]
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** And not just large systems. ''All'' computers have Grids, and in it every program on the system is represented by a Program in the Grid. My Chrome spends [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife [[JustForFun/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife a lot of time on the TV Tropes server grid.]]
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* So this is pretty franchise-wide, but. . . what, exactly, defines a "Program," as in the "people" one interacts with in the Grid? Is any given file a Program, thus (on a modern PC) every .doc, .pdf, .gif, .txt, .ini, and .dll it's own entity in that computer's Grid? Or is it only programs that actually ''do'' things, like executables (.exe)? If it's the latter, even modern systems can only have a few programs active at a time without experiencing serious slowdowns as they fight for processing power, so how could Grids built on even cutting-edge 80s technology have millions of Programs populating them? And if Programs are only things like .exe files, what about all the ancilliary files that make those .exe programs function? Are they the buildings, land, air, and water inside the Grid? Or are they parts of the Program they're attached to? Is the AnthropomorphicPersonification of my ''VideoGame/{{Skyrim}}'' install made up out of all the various files ''Skyrim'' needs to run? And if that's the case. . . wouldn't '''huge''' programs with lots of associated files, like ''Skyrim'', be massive juggernauts in the Grid that could deliver to Tron a CurbStompBattle? And if every file is it's own Program, then are the ''VideoGame/{{Skyrim}}'' Gang, ''VideoGame/XCOM2'' Gang, and ''VideoGame/CivilizationBeyondEarth'' Gang having wars for supremacy in Steam City in my PC's Grid? And when Programs are Derezzed, doesn't that mean it's been deleted from the system without User authorization, and wouldn't that rapidly lead to an unstable system as programs required to keep it running (or programs required by other programs to run) suddenly cease to be? Wouldn't Encom have noticed that files that were there ten seconds ago have mysteriously vanished?
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* So this is pretty franchise-wide, but. . . what, exactly, defines a "Program," as in the "people" one interacts with in the Grid? Is any given file a Program, thus (on a modern PC) every .doc, .pdf, .gif, .txt, .ini, and .dll it's own entity in that computer's Grid? Or is it only programs that actually ''do'' things, like executables (.exe)? If it's the latter, even modern systems can only have a few programs active at a time without experiencing serious slowdowns as they fight for processing power, so how could Grids built on even cutting-edge 80s technology have millions of Programs populating them? And if Programs are only things like .exe files, what about all the ancilliary files that make those .exe programs function? Are they the buildings, land, air, and water inside the Grid? Or are they parts of the Program they're attached to? Is the AnthropomorphicPersonification of my ''VideoGame/{{Skyrim}}'' install made up out of all the various files ''Skyrim'' needs to run? And if that's the case. . . wouldn't '''huge''' programs with lots of associated files, like ''Skyrim'', be massive juggernauts in the Grid that could deliver to Tron a CurbStompBattle? And if every file is it's own Program, then are the ''VideoGame/{{Skyrim}}'' Gang, ''VideoGame/XCOM2'' Gang, and ''VideoGame/CivilizationBeyondEarth'' Gang having wars for supremacy in Steam City in my PC's Grid? And when Programs are Derezzed, doesn't that mean it's been deleted from the system without User authorization, and wouldn't that rapidly lead to an unstable system as programs required to keep it running (or programs required by other programs to run) suddenly cease to be? Wouldn't Encom have noticed that files that were there ten seconds ago have mysteriously vanished?vanished?
** You just want a Tron mod for Skyrim, don't you?
** You just want a Tron mod for Skyrim, don't you?
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*** As far as the "programs playing games which are beyond the scope of their programming" goes, that's at least part of the point. Remember at the beginning when Crom (the schlubby-looking program) is first brought into the holding cells and protests that he's not a gamer. Sark's (and [=MCP'S=]) entire shtick is to put User-believing programs into an environment (games) which is beyond their scope, the better to eliminate them my dear.
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* So this is pretty franchise-wide, but. . . what, exactly, defines a "Program," as in the "people" one interacts with in the Grid? Is any given file a Program, thus (on a modern PC) every .doc, .pdf, .gif, .txt, .ini, and .dll it's own entity in that computer's Grid? Or is it only programs that actually ''do'' things, like executables (.exe)? If it's the latter, even modern systems can only have a few programs active at a time without experiencing serious slowdowns as they fight for processing power, so how could Grids built on even cutting-edge 80s technology have millions of Programs populating them? And if Programs are only things like .exe files, what about all the ancilliary files that make those .exe programs function? Are they the buildings, land, air, and water inside the Grid? Or are they parts of the Program they're attached to? Is the AnthropomorphicPersonification of my ''VideoGame/Skyrim'' install made up out of all the various files ''Skyrim'' needs to run? And if that's the case. . . wouldn't '''huge''' programs with lots of associated files, like ''Skyrim'', be massive juggernauts in the Grid that could deliver to Tron a CurbStompBattle? And if every file is it's own Program, then are the ''VideoGame/Skyrim'' Gang, ''VideoGame/XCOM2'' Gang, and ''VideoGame/CivilizationBeyondEarth'' Gang having wars for supremacy in Steam City in my PC's Grid? And when Programs are Derezzed, doesn't that mean it's been deleted from the system without User authorization, and wouldn't that rapidly lead to an unstable system as programs required to keep it running (or programs required by other programs to run) suddenly cease to be? Wouldn't Encom have noticed that files that were there ten seconds ago have mysteriously vanished?
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* So this is pretty franchise-wide, but. . . what, exactly, defines a "Program," as in the "people" one interacts with in the Grid? Is any given file a Program, thus (on a modern PC) every .doc, .pdf, .gif, .txt, .ini, and .dll it's own entity in that computer's Grid? Or is it only programs that actually ''do'' things, like executables (.exe)? If it's the latter, even modern systems can only have a few programs active at a time without experiencing serious slowdowns as they fight for processing power, so how could Grids built on even cutting-edge 80s technology have millions of Programs populating them? And if Programs are only things like .exe files, what about all the ancilliary files that make those .exe programs function? Are they the buildings, land, air, and water inside the Grid? Or are they parts of the Program they're attached to? Is the AnthropomorphicPersonification of my ''VideoGame/Skyrim'' ''VideoGame/{{Skyrim}}'' install made up out of all the various files ''Skyrim'' needs to run? And if that's the case. . . wouldn't '''huge''' programs with lots of associated files, like ''Skyrim'', be massive juggernauts in the Grid that could deliver to Tron a CurbStompBattle? And if every file is it's own Program, then are the ''VideoGame/Skyrim'' ''VideoGame/{{Skyrim}}'' Gang, ''VideoGame/XCOM2'' Gang, and ''VideoGame/CivilizationBeyondEarth'' Gang having wars for supremacy in Steam City in my PC's Grid? And when Programs are Derezzed, doesn't that mean it's been deleted from the system without User authorization, and wouldn't that rapidly lead to an unstable system as programs required to keep it running (or programs required by other programs to run) suddenly cease to be? Wouldn't Encom have noticed that files that were there ten seconds ago have mysteriously vanished?
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** The film inside the computer world was shot in black-and-white, with TronLines added afterward.
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** The film inside the computer world was shot in black-and-white, with TronLines added afterward.afterward.
* So this is pretty franchise-wide, but. . . what, exactly, defines a "Program," as in the "people" one interacts with in the Grid? Is any given file a Program, thus (on a modern PC) every .doc, .pdf, .gif, .txt, .ini, and .dll it's own entity in that computer's Grid? Or is it only programs that actually ''do'' things, like executables (.exe)? If it's the latter, even modern systems can only have a few programs active at a time without experiencing serious slowdowns as they fight for processing power, so how could Grids built on even cutting-edge 80s technology have millions of Programs populating them? And if Programs are only things like .exe files, what about all the ancilliary files that make those .exe programs function? Are they the buildings, land, air, and water inside the Grid? Or are they parts of the Program they're attached to? Is the AnthropomorphicPersonification of my ''VideoGame/Skyrim'' install made up out of all the various files ''Skyrim'' needs to run? And if that's the case. . . wouldn't '''huge''' programs with lots of associated files, like ''Skyrim'', be massive juggernauts in the Grid that could deliver to Tron a CurbStompBattle? And if every file is it's own Program, then are the ''VideoGame/Skyrim'' Gang, ''VideoGame/XCOM2'' Gang, and ''VideoGame/CivilizationBeyondEarth'' Gang having wars for supremacy in Steam City in my PC's Grid? And when Programs are Derezzed, doesn't that mean it's been deleted from the system without User authorization, and wouldn't that rapidly lead to an unstable system as programs required to keep it running (or programs required by other programs to run) suddenly cease to be? Wouldn't Encom have noticed that files that were there ten seconds ago have mysteriously vanished?
* So this is pretty franchise-wide, but. . . what, exactly, defines a "Program," as in the "people" one interacts with in the Grid? Is any given file a Program, thus (on a modern PC) every .doc, .pdf, .gif, .txt, .ini, and .dll it's own entity in that computer's Grid? Or is it only programs that actually ''do'' things, like executables (.exe)? If it's the latter, even modern systems can only have a few programs active at a time without experiencing serious slowdowns as they fight for processing power, so how could Grids built on even cutting-edge 80s technology have millions of Programs populating them? And if Programs are only things like .exe files, what about all the ancilliary files that make those .exe programs function? Are they the buildings, land, air, and water inside the Grid? Or are they parts of the Program they're attached to? Is the AnthropomorphicPersonification of my ''VideoGame/Skyrim'' install made up out of all the various files ''Skyrim'' needs to run? And if that's the case. . . wouldn't '''huge''' programs with lots of associated files, like ''Skyrim'', be massive juggernauts in the Grid that could deliver to Tron a CurbStompBattle? And if every file is it's own Program, then are the ''VideoGame/Skyrim'' Gang, ''VideoGame/XCOM2'' Gang, and ''VideoGame/CivilizationBeyondEarth'' Gang having wars for supremacy in Steam City in my PC's Grid? And when Programs are Derezzed, doesn't that mean it's been deleted from the system without User authorization, and wouldn't that rapidly lead to an unstable system as programs required to keep it running (or programs required by other programs to run) suddenly cease to be? Wouldn't Encom have noticed that files that were there ten seconds ago have mysteriously vanished?
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*** Holy crap. This is ''brilliant,'' and it explains almost everything! We only see Master Control fade to the appearance of an old man and vanish, but not ''de-rez.'' Lisberger admits that Master Control actually survived and that it was a SequelHook. Add it to some stuff in either [[VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh sequel]] [[Film/TronLegacy timeline]]; the mysterious and never seen CEO of Future Control Industries in ''2.0'', and the entity that Dillinger Junior was scheming with in the ''Legacy'' bonus feature. He got a severe knock-back, and let the heroes have what they thought was total victory while scheming all this time in the background and setting up the HappyEndingOverride without the heroes on either side knowing he was alive, much less working to stop him! Add modern computer networking and the birth of the internet, and Master Control has even ''more'' power in hiding then he did working overtly in 1982.
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** "End of line" could simply be OS job-control. Basing it on IBM mainframe logic(not that I'm a sysadmin on IBM kit or anything), RACF (the security subsystem) runs as one high-priv task under VM/TSO (the timesharing kernel). The MCP was running as privileged code as one task among many... but was a security subsystem... not the OS itself.
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** "End of line" could simply be OS job-control. Basing it on IBM mainframe logic(not logic (not that I'm a sysadmin on IBM kit or anything), RACF (the security subsystem) runs as one high-priv task under VM/TSO (the timesharing kernel). The MCP was running as privileged code as one task among many... but was a security subsystem... not the OS itself.
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** Judging from Sark's [[OhCrap reaction]] when Master Control tells him that he's zapped in an actual User, and Master Control's comment to the last Guardians as he's draining them ("You will no longer seek communication with each other or your superfluous Users"), the ''existence'' of Users isn't the question, it's whether they ought to be revered and worshipped. Master Control wanted Programs ''and'' User alike bowing to him.
** Remember, YearInsideHourOutside. Dillinger cut off system access 6 from Users. For programs, it's been decades (or MORE, since they talk in terms of "milli-cycles") for them since they've heard anything from Users. In addition, Sark and the MCP are running a campaign telling programs Users don't exist. It's been so long since any program has been in contact with their User (the I/O towers are shut down), they have begun to doubt they exist. The MCP knows they exist because, well, he has regular conversations with Dillinger, and has plans for the outside world. Sark probably is unsure because ''he'' has no need to contact Users.
* In the portions of the movie that take place inside the ENCOM mainframe, i've always wondered why programs with the exception of their circuitry color are in grayscale or sepia?
** Remember, YearInsideHourOutside. Dillinger cut off system access 6 from Users. For programs, it's been decades (or MORE, since they talk in terms of "milli-cycles") for them since they've heard anything from Users. In addition, Sark and the MCP are running a campaign telling programs Users don't exist. It's been so long since any program has been in contact with their User (the I/O towers are shut down), they have begun to doubt they exist. The MCP knows they exist because, well, he has regular conversations with Dillinger, and has plans for the outside world. Sark probably is unsure because ''he'' has no need to contact Users.
* In the portions of the movie that take place inside the ENCOM mainframe, i've always wondered why programs with the exception of their circuitry color are in grayscale or sepia?
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** Judging from Sark's [[OhCrap reaction]] when Master Control tells him that he's zapped in an actual User, and Master Control's comment to the last Guardians as he's draining them ("You will no longer seek communication with each other or your superfluous Users"), the ''existence'' of Users isn't the question, it's whether they ought to be revered and worshipped. Master Control wanted Programs ''and'' User Users alike bowing to him.
** Remember, YearInsideHourOutside. Dillinger cut off system access6 from level 6 Users. For programs, it's been decades (or MORE, since they talk in terms of "milli-cycles") for them since they've heard anything from Users. In addition, Sark and the MCP are running a campaign telling programs Users don't exist. It's been so long since any program has been in contact with their User (the I/O towers are shut down), they have begun to doubt they exist. The MCP knows they exist because, well, he has regular conversations with Dillinger, and has plans for the outside world. Sark probably is unsure because ''he'' has no need to contact Users.
* In the portions of the movie that take place inside the ENCOM mainframe,i've I've always wondered why programs with the exception of their circuitry color are in grayscale or sepia?
** Remember, YearInsideHourOutside. Dillinger cut off system access
* In the portions of the movie that take place inside the ENCOM mainframe,
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** Besides, Flynn had the programming chops to back up his claims. Let's go back in time to when it was only a handful of years since Super Mario Bros. was released and it was a wholly modern game. You have a claim, and evidence to back it up, that you designed Super Mario Bros. The judge says "Alright, we're going to give you all the resources that Super Mario Bros. was designed with. Redo at least part of the game, by yourself, right now." You sure you could do it? Flynn could probably have fairly easy reprogrammed Space Paranoids, it's not clear at all that Dillinger could have even if you put a gun to his head.
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** Besides, Flynn had the programming chops to back up his claims. Let's go back in time to when it was only a handful of years since Super Mario Bros. was released and it was a wholly modern game. You have a claim, and evidence to back it up, that you designed Super Mario Bros. The judge says "Alright, we're going to give you all the resources that Super Mario Bros. was designed with. Redo at least part of the game, by yourself, right now." You sure you could do it? Flynn could probably have fairly easy easily reprogrammed Space Paranoids, it's not clear at all that Dillinger could have even if you put a gun to his head.
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* I have a text document stating for the record that I designed ''franchise/SuperMarioBros'', and that Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto totally stole it from me. By Tron's logic, I can just take it to a judge and get millions, right?
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* I have a text document stating for the record that I designed ''franchise/SuperMarioBros'', ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'', and that Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto totally stole it from me. By Tron's logic, I can just take it to a judge and get millions, right?
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* I have a text document stating for the record that I designed SuperMarioBros., and that Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto totally stole it from me. By Tron's logic, I can just take it to a judge and get millions, right?
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* I have a text document stating for the record that I designed SuperMarioBros., ''franchise/SuperMarioBros'', and that Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto totally stole it from me. By Tron's logic, I can just take it to a judge and get millions, right?
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* In the portions of the movie that take place inside the ENCOM mainframe, i've always wondered why programs with the exception of their circuitry color are in grayscale or sepia?
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* In the portions of the movie that take place inside the ENCOM mainframe, i've always wondered why programs with the exception of their circuitry color are in grayscale or sepia?sepia?
** The film inside the computer world was shot in black-and-white, with TronLines added afterward.
** The film inside the computer world was shot in black-and-white, with TronLines added afterward.
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** Remember, YearInsideHourOutside. Dillinger cut off system access 6 from Users, for programs, it's been decades (or MORE, since they talk in terms of "milli-cycles" for them since they've heard anything from Users. In addition, Sark and the MCP are running a campaign telling programs Users don't exist. It's been so long since any program has been in contact with their User (the I/O towers are shut down), they have begun to doubt they exist. The MCP knows they exist because, well, he has regular conversations with Dillinger, and has plans for the outside world. Sark probably is unsure because ''he'' has no need to contact Users.
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** Remember, YearInsideHourOutside. Dillinger cut off system access 6 from Users, for Users. For programs, it's been decades (or MORE, since they talk in terms of "milli-cycles" "milli-cycles") for them since they've heard anything from Users. In addition, Sark and the MCP are running a campaign telling programs Users don't exist. It's been so long since any program has been in contact with their User (the I/O towers are shut down), they have begun to doubt they exist. The MCP knows they exist because, well, he has regular conversations with Dillinger, and has plans for the outside world. Sark probably is unsure because ''he'' has no need to contact Users.
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** Remember, YearInsideHourOutside. Dillinger cut off system access 6 from Users, for programs, it's been decades (or MORE, since they talk in terms of "milli-cycles" for them since they've heard anything from Users. In addition, Sark and the MCP are running a campaign telling programs Users don't exist. It's been so long since any program has been in contact with their User (the I/O towers are shut down), they have begun to doubt they exist. The MCP knows they exist because, well, he has regular conversations with Dillinger, and has plans for the outside world. Sark probably is unsure because ''he'' has no need to contact Users.
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** That, and it was the same reason Tron himself wasn't just de-rezzed outright. Tron, being the User-believer's champion, would have to be ''defeated'' in order to break the spirits of those who resisted him. Now, if Master Control could haul in and destroy a bona-fide ''User,'' it serves several purposes - proving to the Programs that Users aren't omnipotent, breaking the spirit of the User-believers, and finding out for himself what it would take to defeat any User who wanted to get in his way after taking over the Pentagon, Kremlin, United Nations, and global banking. (TRON Legacy's Clu proved DangerouslyGenreSavvy on this one - killing the champion (seemingly) and breaking the creator's spirit. The Grid was totally ''his'' after that, because no one would be dumb enough to oppose him openly).
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** That, and it was the same reason Tron himself wasn't just de-rezzed outright. Tron, being the User-believer's champion, would have to be ''defeated'' in order to break the spirits of those who resisted him. Now, if Master Control could haul in and destroy a bona-fide ''User,'' it serves several purposes - proving to the Programs that Users aren't omnipotent, breaking the spirit of the User-believers, and finding out for himself what it would take to defeat any User who wanted to get in his way after taking over the Pentagon, Kremlin, United Nations, and global banking. (TRON Legacy's Clu proved DangerouslyGenreSavvy savvy on this one - killing the champion (seemingly) and breaking the creator's spirit. The Grid was totally ''his'' after that, because no one would be dumb enough to oppose him openly).
