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** The novel menitons that the Twins were easily able to move through without papers as their holodrivers used supermodel.
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** The novel menitons mentions that the Twins were easily able to move through without papers as their holodrivers used supermodel.
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**In most continuities, Devastator is incredibly simple-minded. In the movie, at least, his form is a lot more bestial, and he actually seemed to require outright orders to start to unearth the machine. His first action upon forming was to immediately start attacking, until ordered to dig, at which point he focused on that single task without any other thoughts. Skids and Mudflap only survived because Devastator wasnt there to fight, only to dig.
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Okay, I can buy that the vast majority of the crew would've been fucked given that the USS Theodore Roosevelt sinks within minutes, and most of them would've been bellow deck. But no survivors out 5,000 crew? I expect at least a couple of dozen of deck and bridge crew (being in the pest position to escape) could've jumped clear into the water. While it's possible the Decepticons could've killed the survivors in the water. but A. Doing so would've been like finding a needle in the haystack given the massive debris field left behind, and B. The carrier's escorts are very much still active and in a position to engage them if they distracted themselves with hunting stragglers (We even see an escort sail right next to the doomed Roosevelt, and the 'cons don't seem to care).
My best guess: The initial news reports that stated there were no survivors were inaccurate, as is often the case immediately or during attacks like this. For instance, on 9/11, there were reports of a bomb at the State Department and Capitol. The idea that the entire crew was reported as lost in the confusion isn't that infeasible.
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Okay, I can buy that the vast majority of the crew would've been fucked given that the USS Theodore Roosevelt sinks within minutes, and most of them would've been bellow deck. But no survivors out 5,000 crew? I expect at least a couple of dozen of deck and bridge crew (being in the pest position to escape) could've jumped clear into the water. While it's possible the Decepticons could've killed the survivors in the water. but A. Doing so would've been like finding a needle in the haystack given the massive debris field left behind, and B. The carrier's escorts are very much still active and in a position to engage them if they distracted themselves with hunting stragglers (We even see an escort sail right next to the doomed Roosevelt, and the 'cons don't seem to care).
My best guess: The initial news reports that stated there were no survivors were inaccurate, as is often the case immediately or during attacks like this. For instance, on 9/11, there were reports of a bomb at the State Department and Capitol. The idea that the entire crew was reported as lost in the confusion isn't that infeasible.
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Couldn't HAVE, not couldn't OF.
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* Where were the Autobots when Optimus Prime was fighting Megatron, Starscream, and [[strike: Blackout]] Grindor in the forest? I mean, they all busted in the warehouse like [[BigDamnHeroes big damn heroes]] to save Sam. But when the fight continued in the forest, the rest of them disappeared. Plus, they couldn't of been busy fighting the Decepticons because all the Decepticons that was present in the warehouse WERE IN THE FOREST.
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* Where were the Autobots when Optimus Prime was fighting Megatron, Starscream, and [[strike: Blackout]] Grindor in the forest? I mean, they all busted in the warehouse like [[BigDamnHeroes big damn heroes]] to save Sam. But when the fight continued in the forest, the rest of them disappeared. Plus, they couldn't of have been busy fighting the Decepticons because all the Decepticons that was present in the warehouse WERE IN THE FOREST.
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* In ROTF, The Fallen clearly states that "Only a Prime can kill Prime". But later in the movie, Megatron kills Optimus Prime in the forest battle. Since Megatron isn't a Prime, he shouldn't of been able to kill Optimus. In fact, it's even stated that Optimus is the only living descendant of the Primes.
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* In ROTF, The Fallen clearly states that "Only a Prime can kill Prime". But later in the movie, Megatron kills Optimus Prime in the forest battle. Since Megatron isn't a Prime, he shouldn't of have been able to kill Optimus. In fact, it's even stated that Optimus is the only living descendant of the Primes.
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** This one has an answer, actually: there was an additional scene of Bumblebee and Barricade squaring off in vehicle mode (where Barricade reveals he can shoot these badass spike drill missiles from the side of his hood) while Sam is running around like an idiot, which would have eaten up more daylight and made the shift to night slightly more plausible.
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* The ice cream truck in the second movie. Yes, it's CrazyAwesome, but where did the Twins find and scan a workable van that's over 70 years old? In addition to that, why would you send a slow, ungainly vehicle that has a good chance of breaking in half into a combat and pursuit situation?
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* The ice cream truck in the second movie. Yes, it's CrazyAwesome, RuleOfCool, but where did the Twins find and scan a workable van that's over 70 years old? In addition to that, why would you send a slow, ungainly vehicle that has a good chance of breaking in half into a combat and pursuit situation?
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**It had to be late afternoon/early evening in DC, the Udvar-Hazy Center closes at 5:30pm.
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** The most likely explanation is that Simmons didn't want anyone touching Frenzy for the risk of him getting free and wreaking havoc (again). He could try to explain that, but it's just faster to say "It's radioactive", and no one will question it (except the two who know better, but won't say anything anyway).
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** I don't know what they told Galloway to explain what they were doing, possibly that they, given that Deigo Garcia was breached by Ravage and Reedman days earlier, were moving the Autobots (who presumably would be demanding to bring Optimus' body with them) to a more secure location, as for why they brought him in the first place? For one he wasn't all that trusting of them so he probably demanded to come with them. For another I think a part of the plan was to make sure that Galloway was out of the way so that he couldn't obstruct the mission, so they needed him on the plane so they could throw him out of an airplane so he'd be stranded in the middle of nowhere.
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* So the last we see of Lennox and NEST before they get the call from Simmons to come to Egypt, Galloway has ordered them to stand down and remain at their base for fear of provoking the Decepticons. After the call though, Lennox takes NEST and all the Autobots, plus Optimus's body, out to the coordinates they were given. It's clear from the movie that they did this at least partially in secret, since the general doesn't know until Lennox tells them later, but if so, why did they take Galloway- the man who relayed the order to stand down, and is unsympathetic to them to say the least- on the plane? What did they tell him they were doing?
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* So the last we see of Lennox and NEST before they get the call from Simmons to come to Egypt, Galloway has ordered them to stand down and remain at their base for fear of provoking the Decepticons. After the call though, Lennox takes NEST and all the Autobots, plus Optimus's body, out to the coordinates they were given. It's clear from the movie that they did this at least partially in secret, since the general doesn't know until Lennox tells them later, but if so, why did they take Galloway- the man who relayed the order to stand down, and is unsympathetic to them to say the least- on the plane? What did they tell him they were doing?doing?
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