History Headscratchers / TownOfSalem

** Some players are simply DefiantToTheEnd.

* Why is it so common to keep pretending that you're one of the good roles in your FamousLastWords right after you can't be saved but still before you die? At the point where you're voted Guilty, you're dead, no ifs and buts about it, and your role is revealed anyways. Why not gracefully accept your loss?

* I am confused by the first quote on the quotes page here. Isn't the ENTIRE POINT of TheJester to get lynched? So..what's the big deal about it being a "bad" Jester?
** Because if you really ''are'' the Serial Killer/Mafia, you should be blending in with the rest of the players, so you don't get suspected. Just flat out saying you're SK/Maf usually tells everyone that you're the obvious jester, and no one wants to lynch the obvious jester because there's always the chance they'll put the guilt on you and kill you. It's possible to also try to do a double-bluff if you really are the SK/Maf, but it can obviously be very risky. Also, sometimes during the night after the jester says this, the maf or sk will go after the jester anyway, resulting in a lose for them. Being an obvious jester is basically the best way to lose most of the time, at least from what I've seen.
** Thanks for clearing that up!
** I remember a few days after I answered this, there was a game where in the first day someone said: "I'm new, so as jester, does that mean I just get myself hung?" There's a {{Beat}} of silence, before without a single word being said, every single person begins voting for them, and they get up on the stand. ("Thanks guys! I've never won as jester before :D") Voting ends, with a few people voting guilty while everyone else abstains. Their role? ''Serial Killer''. So yes, if anyone needed an example for the double-bluff scenario there you go XD
** Basically, a bad jester is either a jester who cheats (like spamming or harassing other players) to get lynched just to get rid of them, or a jester who's so disgustingly obvious that no one thinks they're actually bad.

* Transporter role. Just Transporter role.

* Why is it so common to keep pretending that you're one of the good roles in your FamousLastWords right after you can't be saved but still before you die? At the point where you're voted Guilty, you're dead, no ifs and buts about it, and not even the Retributionist can save you if you're actually evil, and your role is revealed anyways. Why not gracefully accept your loss?

* Why is it so common to keep pretending that you're one of the good roles in your FamousLastWords right after you can't be saved but still before you die? At the point where you're voted Guilty, you're dead, no ifs and buts about it, and not even the Retributionist can save you if you're actually evil, and your role is revealed anyways. Why not gracefully accept your loss?

** Forcing people to claim early on makes it harder for that claim to be sustained. If mafia isn't forced to claim until day 5, they have time to rewrite a will, change claims, and adapt their claim to new information. But if mafia is locked into a claim d2, they're forced to sustain that claim, including getting investigated, interrogated, producing results every day, etc. Also, if you're in Ranked, there's a set rolelist - so rolecalling makes sense, since a Transporter with no TS counterclaims isn't very suspicious, but a Sheriff with 4 TI counterclaims is extremely suspicious, and a RT Doc claim in an SK game is suspicious, and so on and so forth. This troper agrees that in games like All/Any it's pretty useless, but in Ranked it's not so much about the role that's claimed so much as how that role fits into the larger flow of the game and whether or not it's plausible for that person to have acted the way that they did if they really are that role.

** Forcing people to claim early on makes it harder for that claim to be sustained. If mafia isn't forced to claim until day 5, they have time to rewrite a will, change claims, etc. But if mafia is locked into a claim d2, they're forced to sustain that claim, including getting investigated, interrogated, producing results every day, etc. Also, if you're in Ranked, there's a set rolelist - so rolecalling makes sense, since a Transporter with no TS counterclaims isn't very suspicious, but a Sheriff with 4 TI counterclaims is extremely suspicious, and a RT Doc claim in an SK game is suspicious, etc. This troper agrees that in games like All/Any it's pretty useless, but in Ranked it's not so much about the role that's claimed so much as how that role fits into the larger flow of the game and whether or not it's plausible for that person to have acted the way that they did if they really are that role.

** Forcing people to claim early on makes it harder for that claim to be sustained. If mafia isn't forced to claim until day 5, they have time to rewrite a will, change claims, etc. But if mafia is locked into a claim d2, they're forced to sustain that claim, including getting investigated, interrogating, producing results every day, etc. Also, if you're in Ranked, there's a set rolelist - so rolecalling makes sense, since a Transporter with no TS counterclaims isn't very suspicious, but a Sheriff with 4 TI counterclaims is extremely suspicious.

* What is the point of asking for a role call (which happens very very frequently)? Obviously everyone would give a nonthreatening role, and the only one who can actually confirm their roles is the mayor, for whom it is a risk to reveal themselves because they can't be healed and their votes are worth 3 so mafia and serial killer players would want them gone.

* Transporter role. Just Transporter role.

** I remember a few days after I answered this, there was a game where in the first day someone said: "I'm new, so as jester, does that mean I just get myself hung?" There's a {{Beat}} of silence, before without a single word being said, every single person begins voting for them, and they get up on the stand. ("Thanks guys! I've never won as jester before :D") Voting ends, with a few people voting guilty while everyone else abstains. Their role? ''Serial Killer''. So yes, if anyone needed an example for the double-bluff scenario there you go XD

** Thanks for clearing that up!

** Because if you really ''are'' the Serial Killer/Mafia, you should be blending in with the rest of the players, so you don't get suspected. Just flat out saying you're SK/Maf usually tells everyone that you're the obvious jester, and no one wants to lynch the obvious jester because there's always the chance they'll put the guilt on you and kill you. It's possible to also try to do a double-bluff if you really are the SK/Maf, but it can obviously be very risky. Also, sometimes during the night after the jester says this, the maf or sk will go after the jester anyway, resulting in a lose for them. Being an obvious jester is basically the best way to lose most of the time, at least from what I've seen.

* I am confused by the first quote on the quotes page here. Isn't the ENTIRE POINT of TheJester to get lynched? So..what's the big deal about it being a "bad" Jester?