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*** Judging by T2, that's exactly what happened (note that a precise date and even ''time'' of Skynet becoming self-aware is given in that film, which would be a great stretch if it hadn't happened spontaneously and in the matter of a moment). That's what real-life artificial intelligence researchers term as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_explosion ''intelligence explosion'']].
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** It could also allow Terminator to save some energy by not activating internal gun aiming system.
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*** And as to the phonebook - it is probably one of the closest (as well as widespread) things to a computer database as of 1984, so dealing with it requires only some of the most basic AI skills.
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* After the chase in the parking garage, when the Terminator's car crashes into the wall and Reese gets arrested, why would the Terminator flee the scene when his target was right there?
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* After the chase in the parking garage, when the Terminator's car crashes into the wall and Reese gets arrested, why would the Terminator flee the scene when his target was right there?there?
** The target, and also numerous heavily-armed police officers. And the Terminator's just been damaged. Better to retreat, do repairs, and then go track Sarah down at the station.
** The target, and also numerous heavily-armed police officers. And the Terminator's just been damaged. Better to retreat, do repairs, and then go track Sarah down at the station.
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** They're two different people, different people react differently to situations. However, the biker in the second movie put a lit cigar out on the Terminator's skin after mocking it, which would've hurt a lot if the Terminator had been human.
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** They're two different people, different people react differently to situations. However, the biker in the second movie put a lit cigar out on the Terminator's skin after mocking it, which would've hurt a lot if the Terminator had been human.human.
* After the chase in the parking garage, when the Terminator's car crashes into the wall and Reese gets arrested, why would the Terminator flee the scene when his target was right there?
* After the chase in the parking garage, when the Terminator's car crashes into the wall and Reese gets arrested, why would the Terminator flee the scene when his target was right there?
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** 2) The Terminator knows how to use a phone book and mimic police procedure, which are skills that would be worthless in the post-apocalyptic wasteland he was created in. SkyNet obviously provided him with "detailed files" on the era he was traveling to. So how could he not know that plasma rifles hadn't been invented yet in the 80s? Weapons are the one thing he should know everything about!
*** Going on the script, the Terminator's got "detailed files" on human anatomy, because it makes them more efficient killers. But as to the era -- Skynet only has partial postwar records and its collective knowledge from such of the Internet that it assimilated before the nuclear balloon went up. When Skynet first boots up in T3 plasma rifles weren't invented, but it doesn't stop the Terminator asking just in case a model has been made at this point in history. In T2 the T-1000 doesn't ''really'' mimic police procedure as such: it knows police are authority figures from its postwar records, accesses a computer, assumes the officer's form, and then simply asks authoritative questions while in that form. It doesn't really mimic police procedure beyond that.
*** Perhaps the groundwork for plasma rifle technology was laid down in the eighties in ''The Terminator'' verse by Cyberdyne, hence why the Terminator tried for it.
*** Going on the script, the Terminator's got "detailed files" on human anatomy, because it makes them more efficient killers. But as to the era -- Skynet only has partial postwar records and its collective knowledge from such of the Internet that it assimilated before the nuclear balloon went up. When Skynet first boots up in T3 plasma rifles weren't invented, but it doesn't stop the Terminator asking just in case a model has been made at this point in history. In T2 the T-1000 doesn't ''really'' mimic police procedure as such: it knows police are authority figures from its postwar records, accesses a computer, assumes the officer's form, and then simply asks authoritative questions while in that form. It doesn't really mimic police procedure beyond that.
*** Perhaps the groundwork for plasma rifle technology was laid down in the eighties in ''The Terminator'' verse by Cyberdyne, hence why the Terminator tried for it.
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* 2) The Terminator knows how to use a phone book and mimic police procedure, which are skills that would be worthless in the post-apocalyptic wasteland he was created in. SkyNet obviously provided him with "detailed files" on the era he was traveling to. So how could he not know that plasma rifles hadn't been invented yet in the 80s? Weapons are the one thing he should know everything about!
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* This is something that bothered me for a long time. Why was Kyle Reese arrested? I could buy the fact that he was mistaken for a homless nudist that stole another bum's pants and the Cop's gun. I could also buy into the fact that they suspected him of being the "Phone Book killer" the cops were after. However Sarah gave a description of the real killer and most of what Kyle did however illegal it was and how farfetched his story is to them, he did it to save another. Even if the story was not believed, a DrJerk like Silberman would believe that his actions were under extreme duress. So why keep him in cuffs?
** Because he's demonstrataby violent and apparently insane. People who threaten policemen with their own guns aren't afforded a lot of trust.
** Because he's demonstrataby violent and apparently insane. People who threaten policemen with their own guns aren't afforded a lot of trust.
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* This is something that bothered me for a long time. Why was Kyle Reese arrested? I could buy the fact that he was mistaken for a homless homeless nudist that stole another bum's pants and the Cop's gun. I could also buy into the fact that they suspected him of being the "Phone Book killer" the cops were after. However Sarah gave a description of the real killer and most of what Kyle did however illegal it was and how farfetched far fetched his story is to them, he did it to save another. Even if the story was not believed, a DrJerk like Silberman would believe that his actions were under extreme duress. So why keep him in cuffs?
** Because he'sdemonstrataby demonstrably violent and apparently insane. People who threaten policemen with their own guns aren't afforded a lot of trust.
** Because he's
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** At that point, he'd threatened a cop with a gun, trespassed and stolen from a department store, broken into the squad car and stolen a rifle, stalked Sarah, shot up a bar, shot Arnold in the chest (aggravated assault and witness to Arnold murdering people at the bar), stolen a car and driven with Arnold on the hood (assault/possible manslaughter with a vehicle as radioed in by William Wisher), stolen a second car and caused a crash that appeared to have killed the other driver, kidnapped Sarah, and [[ArsonMurderandJaywalking generally pissed off]] the cops. Tell me again why he ''shouldn't'' be arrested?
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** At that point, he'd threatened a cop with a gun, trespassed and stolen from a department store, broken into the squad car and stolen a rifle, stalked Sarah, shot up a bar, shot Arnold in the chest (aggravated assault and witness to Arnold murdering people at the bar), stolen a car and driven with Arnold on the hood (assault/possible manslaughter with a vehicle before running several red traffic lights (a hit-and-run felony and failure to stop at traffic lights as radioed in by William Wisher), stolen a second car and caused a crash that appeared to have killed the other driver, kidnapped Sarah, and [[ArsonMurderandJaywalking generally pissed off]] the cops. cops. Tell me again why he ''shouldn't'' be arrested? arrested?
*** All true, but even at the beginning Kyle was nude while he stole a homeless man's pants (indecent exposure, assault and theft [[note]]the homeless man didn't give them up freely even if the fight was off-screen[[/note]]), fled from a police officer (a misdemeanor) and tackled another police officer before taking their gun (in some cases people have been ''shot dead'' by police for doing that). Even before Kyle pointed a gun at at officer, those police officers had ample reason to arrest Kyle and consider him dangerous.
*** All true, but even at the beginning Kyle was nude while he stole a homeless man's pants (indecent exposure, assault and theft [[note]]the homeless man didn't give them up freely even if the fight was off-screen[[/note]]), fled from a police officer (a misdemeanor) and tackled another police officer before taking their gun (in some cases people have been ''shot dead'' by police for doing that). Even before Kyle pointed a gun at at officer, those police officers had ample reason to arrest Kyle and consider him dangerous.
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* The owner of the gun store where the Terminator goes to buy the guns not only proudly sells the merchandise to a huge creepy looking guy dressed like a sterotypical aggressive punk who could probably have used it for a killing spree but he even leaves the bullets on the front desk and not behind the cash register. Is he a bit dumb or maybe just an HorribleJudgeOfCharacter ?
** I always took it as the gun store owner not making assumptions about a person based on appearances. He's probably used to gun nuts dressed like urban militia, biker types, neo-Nazis, and hillbillies coming in and not acting like anything but customers.
** I always took it as the gun store owner not making assumptions about a person based on appearances. He's probably used to gun nuts dressed like urban militia, biker types, neo-Nazis, and hillbillies coming in and not acting like anything but customers.
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* The owner of the gun store where the Terminator goes to buy the guns not only proudly sells the merchandise to a huge creepy looking guy dressed like a
** I always took it as the gun store owner not making assumptions about a person based on appearances.
** I think that the reason the gun store owner didn't notice the Terminator loading the guns is because he couldn't see past the (metaphorical) dollar-signs in his eyes. Note how after the Terminator says it'll take "all" the guns, the owner chuckles and says "I may close early today." By the time he'd turned back around with the paperwork the Terminator had finished loading the gun and turned it on the gun store owner.
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** The Terminator, who DID go through the front door, only attracted notice from the cashier and bouncer because he didn't pay the cover, not for carrying more and bulkier weapons than Reese is. A full-size UZI, especially with the 32-round magazines, is bigger than Reese's shotgun in every dimension that matters in regards to concealing it, even for someone as big as Arnie.
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** The Terminator, who DID go through the front door, only attracted notice from the cashier and bouncer because he didn't pay the cover, not for carrying more and bulkier weapons than Reese is. A full-size UZI, especially with the 32-round magazines, is bigger than Reese's shotgun in every dimension that matters in regards to concealing it, even for someone as big as Arnie.Arnie.
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** He probably stole it from somewhere. Possibly the same place he stole his outfit.
** The trucker that just gave them a lift is another good candidate for where the money was stolen from.
** The trucker that just gave them a lift is another good candidate for where the money was stolen from.
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** He probably stole it from somewhere. Possibly Either from the cash registers in the same place shop where he stole his outfit.
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* Why the punk leader (Bill Paxton) gets truly angry only when the Terminator orders him and his friends to give him their clothes
** They're two different people, different people react differently to situations. However, the biker in the second movie put a lit cigar out on the Terminator's skin after mocking it, which would've hurt a lot if the Terminator had been human.
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** You ever get stuck behind an 18-wheeler? They do ''not'' accelerate fast. From a dead stop, it takes them forever to get up to even 25 MPH. That gives Kyle and Sarah plenty of time to sprint and get some distance before it starts to catch up.
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** You ever get stuck behind an 18-wheeler? They do ''not'' accelerate fast. From a dead stop, it takes them forever to get up to even 25 MPH. That gives Kyle and Sarah plenty of time to sprint and get some distance before it starts to catch up.up.
* Why the punk leader (Bill Paxton) gets truly angry only when the Terminator orders him and his friends to give him their clothes ? The biker in the second movie just laughed him in the face.
* Why the punk leader (Bill Paxton) gets truly angry only when the Terminator orders him and his friends to give him their clothes ? The biker in the second movie just laughed him in the face.
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* How are Sarah and Kyle able to outrun a TRUCK on foot?
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* How are Sarah and Kyle able to outrun a TRUCK on foot?foot?
** You ever get stuck behind an 18-wheeler? They do ''not'' accelerate fast. From a dead stop, it takes them forever to get up to even 25 MPH. That gives Kyle and Sarah plenty of time to sprint and get some distance before it starts to catch up.
** You ever get stuck behind an 18-wheeler? They do ''not'' accelerate fast. From a dead stop, it takes them forever to get up to even 25 MPH. That gives Kyle and Sarah plenty of time to sprint and get some distance before it starts to catch up.
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** The trucker that just gave them a lift is another good candidate for where the money was stolen from.from.
* How are Sarah and Kyle able to outrun a TRUCK on foot?
* How are Sarah and Kyle able to outrun a TRUCK on foot?
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** The Terminator, who DID go through the front door, only attracted notice from the cashier and bouncer because he didn't pay the cover, not for carrying more and bulkier weapons than Reese is. A full-size UZI, especially with the 32-round magazines, is bigger than Reese's shotgun in every dimension that matters in regards to concealing it, even for someone as big as Arnie.
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** He probably stole it from somewhere. Possibly the same place he stole his outfit.
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** He probably stole it from somewhere. Possibly the same place he stole his outfit.outfit.
** The trucker that just gave them a lift is another good candidate for where the money was stolen from.
** The trucker that just gave them a lift is another good candidate for where the money was stolen from.
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* Where and when did Reese get that huge handful of cash that he pull out at the Tiki Motel?
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* Where and when did Reese get that huge handful of cash that he pull out at the Tiki Motel?Motel?
** He probably stole it from somewhere. Possibly the same place he stole his outfit.
** He probably stole it from somewhere. Possibly the same place he stole his outfit.
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** Who says Reese went in through the front where the bouncer was? He's clearly noticed that Sarah's noticed him following her, so he probably snuck in through a less well-guarded back entrance.
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** Who says Reese went in through the front where the bouncer was? He's clearly noticed that Sarah's noticed him following her, so he probably snuck in through a less well-guarded back entrance.entrance.
* Where and when did Reese get that huge handful of cash that he pull out at the Tiki Motel?
* Where and when did Reese get that huge handful of cash that he pull out at the Tiki Motel?
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* How the hell did Reese manage to sneak a shotgun into a nightclub? There was clearly a bouncer on the door and a shotgun would make a noticeable bulge even in a coat as long as Reese's.
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* How the hell did Reese manage to sneak a shotgun into a nightclub? There was clearly a bouncer on the door and a shotgun would make a noticeable bulge even in a coat as long as Reese's.Reese's.
** Who says Reese went in through the front where the bouncer was? He's clearly noticed that Sarah's noticed him following her, so he probably snuck in through a less well-guarded back entrance.
** Who says Reese went in through the front where the bouncer was? He's clearly noticed that Sarah's noticed him following her, so he probably snuck in through a less well-guarded back entrance.
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** When he leaves the apartment carrying the assault rifle and shotguns, one person does notice, says "Daaayumm!" and hides. Who's going to willingly tangle with a big guy with a pair of huge guns on their own?
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*** Perhaps the groundwork for plasma rifle technology was laid down in the eighties in ''The Terminator'' verse by Cyberdyne, hence why the Terminator tried for it.
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** I always took it as the gun store owner not making assumptions about a person based on appearances. He's probably used to gun nuts dressed like urban militia, biker types, neo-Nazis, and hillbillies coming in and not acting like anything but customers.
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** I always took it as the gun store owner not making assumptions about a person based on appearances. He's probably used to gun nuts dressed like urban militia, biker types, neo-Nazis, and hillbillies coming in and not acting like anything but customers.customers.
* How the hell did Reese manage to sneak a shotgun into a nightclub? There was clearly a bouncer on the door and a shotgun would make a noticeable bulge even in a coat as long as Reese's.
* How the hell did Reese manage to sneak a shotgun into a nightclub? There was clearly a bouncer on the door and a shotgun would make a noticeable bulge even in a coat as long as Reese's.
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** They show the unit leaving, because there's something more pressing going on. Bad timing, because that's when Arnie shows up at Sarah's apartment.
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* The owner of the gun store where the Terminator goes to buy the guns not only proudly sells the merchandise to a huge creepy looking guy dressed like a sterotypical aggressive punk who could probably have used it for a killing spree but he even leaves the bullets on the front desk and not behind the cash register. Is he a bit dumb or maybe just an HorribleJudgeOfCharacter ?
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* The owner of the gun store where the Terminator goes to buy the guns not only proudly sells the merchandise to a huge creepy looking guy dressed like a sterotypical aggressive punk who could probably have used it for a killing spree but he even leaves the bullets on the front desk and not behind the cash register. Is he a bit dumb or maybe just an HorribleJudgeOfCharacter ??
** I always took it as the gun store owner not making assumptions about a person based on appearances. He's probably used to gun nuts dressed like urban militia, biker types, neo-Nazis, and hillbillies coming in and not acting like anything but customers.
** I always took it as the gun store owner not making assumptions about a person based on appearances. He's probably used to gun nuts dressed like urban militia, biker types, neo-Nazis, and hillbillies coming in and not acting like anything but customers.
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** At that point, he'd threatened a cop with a gun, trespassed and stolen from a department store, broken into the squad car and stolen a rifle, stalked Sarah, shot up a bar, shot Arnold in the chest (aggravated assault and witness to Arnold murdering people at the bar), stolen a car and driven with Arnold on the hood (assault/possible manslaughter with a vehicle as radioed in by William Wisher), stolen a second car and caused a crash that appeared to have killed the other driver, kidnapped Sarah, and [[ArsonMurderandJaywalking generally pissed off]] the cops. Tell me again why he ''shouldn't'' be arrested?
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* The owner of the gun store where the Terminator goes to buy the guns not only proudly sells the merchandise to a huge creepy looking guy dressed like a sterotypical aggressive punk who could probably have used it for a killing spree but he even leave the bullets on the front desk instead behind the cash register. Is he a bit dumb or maybe just an HorribleJudgeOfCharacter ?
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* The owner of the gun store where the Terminator goes to buy the guns not only proudly sells the merchandise to a huge creepy looking guy dressed like a sterotypical aggressive punk who could probably have used it for a killing spree but he even leave leaves the bullets on the front desk instead and not behind the cash register. Is he a bit dumb or maybe just an HorribleJudgeOfCharacter ?
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** They did send a unit when Lt. Traxler asks this, but there was nobody home at the time.
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** They did send a unit when Lt. Traxler asks this, but there was nobody home at the time.time.
* The owner of the gun store where the Terminator goes to buy the guns not only proudly sells the merchandise to a huge creepy looking guy dressed like a sterotypical aggressive punk who could probably have used it for a killing spree but he even leave the bullets on the front desk instead behind the cash register. Is he a bit dumb or maybe just an HorribleJudgeOfCharacter ?
* The owner of the gun store where the Terminator goes to buy the guns not only proudly sells the merchandise to a huge creepy looking guy dressed like a sterotypical aggressive punk who could probably have used it for a killing spree but he even leave the bullets on the front desk instead behind the cash register. Is he a bit dumb or maybe just an HorribleJudgeOfCharacter ?
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** He knew that they must have sent someone to stop him, so ripping out the phone book page was a little way to prevent them from finding out. Of course, there are more phone books out there, but that wasn't his main directive. Skynet probably just told him, "Where ''possible'' prevent resistance from finding out where the target is"
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* When the police figure out someone is killing everyone named Sarah Connor, why are they content to just try calling her and not actually send a unit to check her apartment when no one picks up?up?
** They did send a unit when Lt. Traxler asks this, but there was nobody home at the time.
** They did send a unit when Lt. Traxler asks this, but there was nobody home at the time.
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* When the police figure out someone is killing anyone everyone named Sarah Connor, why are they content to just try calling her and not actually send a unit to check her apartment when no one picks up?
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** Ignoring the sequels, it's entirely possible that they did test Skynet out at length and it was fine...until it spontaneously got smart some time after it had already been given control.
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** Ignoring the sequels, it's entirely possible that they did test Skynet out at length and it was fine...until it spontaneously got smart some time after it had already been given control.control.
* When the police figure out someone is killing anyone named Sarah Connor, why are they content to just try calling and not actually send a unit to check her apartment when no one picks up?
* When the police figure out someone is killing anyone named Sarah Connor, why are they content to just try calling and not actually send a unit to check her apartment when no one picks up?
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\"Impliments of murder\"? Really?
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** 2) The Terminator knows how to use a phone book and mimic police procedure, which are skills that would be worthless in the post-apocalyptic wasteland he was created in. SkyNet obviously provided him with "detailed files" on the era he was traveling to. So how could he not know that plasma rifles hadn't been invented yet in the 80s? Implements of murder are the one thing he should know everything about!
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** 2) The Terminator knows how to use a phone book and mimic police procedure, which are skills that would be worthless in the post-apocalyptic wasteland he was created in. SkyNet obviously provided him with "detailed files" on the era he was traveling to. So how could he not know that plasma rifles hadn't been invented yet in the 80s? Implements of murder Weapons are the one thing he should know everything about!
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*** This Troper concurs with the above. I just watched the film, specifically thinking about this famous flub when the scene occurs. He doesn't rip out the page, he only looks at it. It can be inferred that his super-computer memory just, you know, remembered the info. Reese rips out his page, though.
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*** This Troper concurs I concur with the above. I just watched the film, specifically thinking about this famous flub when the scene occurs. He doesn't rip out the page, he only looks at it. It can be inferred that his super-computer memory just, you know, remembered the info. Reese rips out his page, though.
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*** For all we know, he did show Silbermann the tattoo and he just dismissed it.
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*** This Troper concurs with the above. I just watched the film, specifically thinking about this famous flub when the scene occurs. He doesn't rip out the page, he only looks at it. It can be inferred that his super-computer memory just, you know, remembered the info. Reese rips out his page, though.
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** Not only John Connor's existence is due to Skynet's attempt on Sarah's life, but so are the skills he needed to lead humanity against the machines. Sarah is a waitress who doesn't know anything about guns or military tactics at the beginning of the movie. By the end she knows quite a bit more and is well on her way to learning the skills she needs to train John in so that he can save humanity.
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** It may not have needed the sight, but didn't bother to remove it either (the sight is already mounted at the gun shop where the Terminator acquires it).
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** The Terminator doesn't initially walk around in public with assualt weapons. It uses a pistol and an uzi (which it conceals under its jacket) while tracking Sarah. After the police have Sarah it retreives the rest of its guns for the assault on the police station, and it drives there rather than walking.
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*** He assaulted police officers and kidnapped Sarah. There's really no question that they would arrest him and then try to figure out why he might have done it.
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** Going by T3, they were panicking. They'd lost control of all computer enabled assets, which is everything beyond bucket and broom these days, and it was a classic "[[Series/YesMinister We must do something]]; This is something; [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trw1PbQt_Yo Therefore, we must do this]]" panicked decision. They thought they would still have control of Skynet and that Skynet could rip control of stolen assets back. In their panic they could not see the obvious hole in that theory.
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** Going by T3, they were panicking. They'd lost control of all computer enabled assets, which is everything beyond bucket and broom these days, and it was a classic "[[Series/YesMinister We must do something]]; This is something; [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trw1PbQt_Yo Therefore, we must do this]]" panicked decision. They thought they would still have control of Skynet and that Skynet could rip control of stolen assets back. In their panic they could not see the obvious hole in that theory.theory.
** Ignoring the sequels, it's entirely possible that they did test Skynet out at length and it was fine...until it spontaneously got smart some time after it had already been given control.
** Ignoring the sequels, it's entirely possible that they did test Skynet out at length and it was fine...until it spontaneously got smart some time after it had already been given control.
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* This is just something my friends and I have wondered for a while: Did Reese know he was John's father?
** No.
** To expand slightly, it seems quite unlikely; Reese isn't exactly a social-skills machine, and it's implausible that he would have been able to hide from Sarah the knowledge that they were going to have sex. When he tells her he loves her, he clearly doesn't expect her to reciprocate (obviously never having seen a movie in his ''life'', poor boy).
*** And slightly more: it's heavily implied in the movie that John Connor knew Reese was his father and specifically sent him back to set up a StableTimeLoop. When Reese is asked about who Connor's father is going to be, his reply is that "John never said much about him. I know he dies before the war."
*** No, it's not. He says he wasn't chosen, he volunteered.
**** Not only is it confirmed in ''Salvation'' that John knew and sent Reese back for this specific reason, it becomes a major plot point.
*** To reply to the "chosen, he volunteered" -- you can volunteer for something and then be chosen from a pool of volunteers. Which is probably what happened.
*** Why did Reese volunteer? He fell in love with her, via the photo. How did Reese get that photo? John gave it to him (and Reese even said he "didn't know why at the time"). John purposefully used the photo to inflame Reese, so that when the time came, he'd be one of the, if not the only, volunteers. He may not have even to have asked for a volunteer, Reese might have just jumped at the chance. And if he hadn't, all John would have to do is say he felt Reese was the best suited and order him to go. John knew Reese was his father, and he took obvious deliberate steps to keep that on track (probably based on his mothers account of what Reese told her).
**** And on top of that, is the nice touch that when he talks of the photo, he mentions that she looked kind of sad, and that he had always wondered what she was thinking at that moment. When we get to the end of the movie, and the boy takes the picture, Sarah was thinking about Reese. Reese fell in love with Sarah, basically a strange historical figure, based on a photo taken at a moment where she was thinking about him.
* Didn't Reese mention in the first film that after he went through the portal, the location was destroyed?
***** See my two plots holes with one stone comment above.
** That's what they told him, yes. It might not necessarily have been true.
*** It's what was ''planned'' to happen after he left. He has no way of knowing if that's what actually occurred.
* A couple of instances form the first film:
** 1) After using a phone book to find where the various Sarah Connors live, the Terminator rips out the page and takes it with him. You don't just forget things when you have a hard drive for a memory, so why would he need to keep the page once he had the information?
*** They forgot because RippedFromThePhoneBook was still a common cinematic trope and at that point in the film they were trying to hide that Arnie was, in fact, a machine. Possibly [[JustifiedTrope justified]] though, in that the Terminator by taking the whole page is ensuring he's got a redundant backup in the (somewhat unlikely) event his memory core is damaged and that data's lost.
** Terminator didn't forget but tropers above certainly seem to have a fuzzy recollection of the film. Terminator never ripped out a phonebook page, Reese did.
** 2) The Terminator knows how to use a phone book and mimic police procedure, which are skills that would be worthless in the post-apocalyptic wasteland he was created in. SkyNet obviously provided him with "detailed files" on the era he was traveling to. So how could he not know that plasma rifles hadn't been invented yet in the 80s? Implements of murder are the one thing he should know everything about!
*** Going on the script, the Terminator's got "detailed files" on human anatomy, because it makes them more efficient killers. But as to the era -- Skynet only has partial postwar records and its collective knowledge from such of the Internet that it assimilated before the nuclear balloon went up. When Skynet first boots up in T3 plasma rifles weren't invented, but it doesn't stop the Terminator asking just in case a model has been made at this point in history. In T2 the T-1000 doesn't ''really'' mimic police procedure as such: it knows police are authority figures from its postwar records, accesses a computer, assumes the officer's form, and then simply asks authoritative questions while in that form. It doesn't really mimic police procedure beyond that.
* If [=SkyNet=] hadn't sent back a terminator to kill Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese wouldn't have been sent back, and then John Connor wouldn't have been born (at least not the same way) and the Resistance may well have been fucked.
** Skynet sent a Terminator back because the Resistance was about to destroy it in the first place. It had always been a desperation gambit.
** Then there would have have been no resistance, because there would have been no [=SkyNet=], because [=SkyNet=] started off by the parts of the terminator that were left in the past by [=SkyNet=]'s going to the past... If John Connor isn't born, [=SkyNet=] isn't born. StableTimeLoop or [[RuleOfCool What?]]
** That looks like FridgeBrilliance to me. Like someone upthread said, Future John Connor might have been lying to his mother to keep the timeline unchanged from what he remembered. If at any time if it looks like Skynet is going to be destroyed without sending a T-800 back, Connor could just ''do it himself''. As long as Kyle Reese is alive and able to be sent back, John Connor can always tell him the story he grew up hearing, and [[BatmanGambit send a captured T-800 back]] programmed to hunt his younger self.
*** If there are multiple time lines, then the past can be changed without risking a paradox. This was at least implied in the first two films ("the future is not set...") and was made explicit in TSCC, which includes time travelers from at least two ''different'' post-Judgment Day futures. So there is no need to keep the timeline unchanged.
* Wouldn't the "ripping the page out the phone book" method of searching required killing all Sara,Sarah, Zara,Sarai and S Connors just to be sure? Even in 1984,when I saw this film the first time,this logic bomb always struck me as being more than bit ridiculous.
** Not if there aren't any Zara, Sarai, etc. Connors in the phone book. We see the page, and it only has three "Connor" listings at all.
** Better question is why didn't he flip through the entire thing. It probably wouldn't take much memory and Skynet knew next to nothing about Sarah Connor. It would have been unfortunate for example if that was her maiden or married name and some event had or hadn't taken place yet.
*** It knew enough to know where she was and her name at the time. It may also know, based on John's age in the future, that the time the Terminator was sent back to was around when he was conceived; ergo since he's John Connor, she would be Sarah Connor at the time he's conceived and born.
** It knew the name and the city (and the time), no more. The T-101 was destroyed while it was still trying to kill the third and last "Connor, Sarah" listed, so we don't see what it would have done afterward had it not been destroyed. I don't remember the phone book listing any "Connor, Sarai" or anything like that, and presumably there weren't any Sarah Conners about.
* Why would the Terminator need a gun with a laser sight?
** It uses visual aiming, just like humans do.
** It's probably used to energy weapons and not the trajectories of conventional firearms. Also, the gun in question, the AMT Hardballer, was notoriously unreliable.
* It might have been asked before but why didn't Kyle just show Dr. Silbermann his brand from the prison camp to prove his story? He shows it to Sarah earlier in the movie, but Silbermann claims he "doesn't [have] a shred of proof." He might not have believed him still, but it's better than just expecting him to take his word for it.
** It wouldn't have done anything. It would've changed Silberman's view of him from "delusional whacko" to "delusional whacko with a tattoo."
** If anything Silberman would've just assumed Kyle did it to himself as part of his delusion. So-called "alien abductees" have been known to do the same thing.
* In T1, the fact that the Terminator walked around--in public, mind you--with a freakin' assault weapon and NO ONE thought to alert the authorities much less think this suspicious...wonder how well this would have flown in today's time.
* This is something that bothered me for a long time. Why was Kyle Reese arrested? I could buy the fact that he was mistaken for a homless nudist that stole another bum's pants and the Cop's gun. I could also buy into the fact that they suspected him of being the "Phone Book killer" the cops were after. However Sarah gave a description of the real killer and most of what Kyle did however illegal it was and how farfetched his story is to them, he did it to save another. Even if the story was not believed, a DrJerk like Silberman would believe that his actions were under extreme duress. So why keep him in cuffs?
** Because he's demonstrataby violent and apparently insane. People who threaten policemen with their own guns aren't afforded a lot of trust.
*** Those were pointed out already, however I would say again, extreme duress a psychological condition that lasts a long time depending on situation would excuse that. Reese did what he did no matter how ridiculous it is to connect the dots, to save Sarah. He testified to that and so did she.
*** I'm really not sure where you get the idea that that would even matter. In real life, even if you're doing things for the noblest of causes, if you're shooting people and ranting and raving about robots from the future, then you get locked up.
* Why were the army so ''stupid'' when they installed Skynet? They create an artificial intelligence capable of learning at an exponential rate-fair enough. But WHY did they immediately let Skynet be in charge of their nuclear payload/internet?! They should've tested Skynet by having the program be in charge of a simulator experiment, and if it proves reliable upload it onto NATO's computers, with a failsafe in case things fall apart. But nope, [[TooDumbToLive they give an essentially new-born program the keys to world security.]] [[GenreBlind Did they know nothing]] about the AIIsACrapshot trope?
** Going by T3, they were panicking. They'd lost control of all computer enabled assets, which is everything beyond bucket and broom these days, and it was a classic "[[Series/YesMinister We must do something]]; This is something; [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trw1PbQt_Yo Therefore, we must do this]]" panicked decision. They thought they would still have control of Skynet and that Skynet could rip control of stolen assets back. In their panic they could not see the obvious hole in that theory.
** No.
** To expand slightly, it seems quite unlikely; Reese isn't exactly a social-skills machine, and it's implausible that he would have been able to hide from Sarah the knowledge that they were going to have sex. When he tells her he loves her, he clearly doesn't expect her to reciprocate (obviously never having seen a movie in his ''life'', poor boy).
*** And slightly more: it's heavily implied in the movie that John Connor knew Reese was his father and specifically sent him back to set up a StableTimeLoop. When Reese is asked about who Connor's father is going to be, his reply is that "John never said much about him. I know he dies before the war."
*** No, it's not. He says he wasn't chosen, he volunteered.
**** Not only is it confirmed in ''Salvation'' that John knew and sent Reese back for this specific reason, it becomes a major plot point.
*** To reply to the "chosen, he volunteered" -- you can volunteer for something and then be chosen from a pool of volunteers. Which is probably what happened.
*** Why did Reese volunteer? He fell in love with her, via the photo. How did Reese get that photo? John gave it to him (and Reese even said he "didn't know why at the time"). John purposefully used the photo to inflame Reese, so that when the time came, he'd be one of the, if not the only, volunteers. He may not have even to have asked for a volunteer, Reese might have just jumped at the chance. And if he hadn't, all John would have to do is say he felt Reese was the best suited and order him to go. John knew Reese was his father, and he took obvious deliberate steps to keep that on track (probably based on his mothers account of what Reese told her).
**** And on top of that, is the nice touch that when he talks of the photo, he mentions that she looked kind of sad, and that he had always wondered what she was thinking at that moment. When we get to the end of the movie, and the boy takes the picture, Sarah was thinking about Reese. Reese fell in love with Sarah, basically a strange historical figure, based on a photo taken at a moment where she was thinking about him.
* Didn't Reese mention in the first film that after he went through the portal, the location was destroyed?
***** See my two plots holes with one stone comment above.
** That's what they told him, yes. It might not necessarily have been true.
*** It's what was ''planned'' to happen after he left. He has no way of knowing if that's what actually occurred.
* A couple of instances form the first film:
** 1) After using a phone book to find where the various Sarah Connors live, the Terminator rips out the page and takes it with him. You don't just forget things when you have a hard drive for a memory, so why would he need to keep the page once he had the information?
*** They forgot because RippedFromThePhoneBook was still a common cinematic trope and at that point in the film they were trying to hide that Arnie was, in fact, a machine. Possibly [[JustifiedTrope justified]] though, in that the Terminator by taking the whole page is ensuring he's got a redundant backup in the (somewhat unlikely) event his memory core is damaged and that data's lost.
** Terminator didn't forget but tropers above certainly seem to have a fuzzy recollection of the film. Terminator never ripped out a phonebook page, Reese did.
** 2) The Terminator knows how to use a phone book and mimic police procedure, which are skills that would be worthless in the post-apocalyptic wasteland he was created in. SkyNet obviously provided him with "detailed files" on the era he was traveling to. So how could he not know that plasma rifles hadn't been invented yet in the 80s? Implements of murder are the one thing he should know everything about!
*** Going on the script, the Terminator's got "detailed files" on human anatomy, because it makes them more efficient killers. But as to the era -- Skynet only has partial postwar records and its collective knowledge from such of the Internet that it assimilated before the nuclear balloon went up. When Skynet first boots up in T3 plasma rifles weren't invented, but it doesn't stop the Terminator asking just in case a model has been made at this point in history. In T2 the T-1000 doesn't ''really'' mimic police procedure as such: it knows police are authority figures from its postwar records, accesses a computer, assumes the officer's form, and then simply asks authoritative questions while in that form. It doesn't really mimic police procedure beyond that.
* If [=SkyNet=] hadn't sent back a terminator to kill Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese wouldn't have been sent back, and then John Connor wouldn't have been born (at least not the same way) and the Resistance may well have been fucked.
** Skynet sent a Terminator back because the Resistance was about to destroy it in the first place. It had always been a desperation gambit.
** Then there would have have been no resistance, because there would have been no [=SkyNet=], because [=SkyNet=] started off by the parts of the terminator that were left in the past by [=SkyNet=]'s going to the past... If John Connor isn't born, [=SkyNet=] isn't born. StableTimeLoop or [[RuleOfCool What?]]
** That looks like FridgeBrilliance to me. Like someone upthread said, Future John Connor might have been lying to his mother to keep the timeline unchanged from what he remembered. If at any time if it looks like Skynet is going to be destroyed without sending a T-800 back, Connor could just ''do it himself''. As long as Kyle Reese is alive and able to be sent back, John Connor can always tell him the story he grew up hearing, and [[BatmanGambit send a captured T-800 back]] programmed to hunt his younger self.
*** If there are multiple time lines, then the past can be changed without risking a paradox. This was at least implied in the first two films ("the future is not set...") and was made explicit in TSCC, which includes time travelers from at least two ''different'' post-Judgment Day futures. So there is no need to keep the timeline unchanged.
* Wouldn't the "ripping the page out the phone book" method of searching required killing all Sara,Sarah, Zara,Sarai and S Connors just to be sure? Even in 1984,when I saw this film the first time,this logic bomb always struck me as being more than bit ridiculous.
** Not if there aren't any Zara, Sarai, etc. Connors in the phone book. We see the page, and it only has three "Connor" listings at all.
** Better question is why didn't he flip through the entire thing. It probably wouldn't take much memory and Skynet knew next to nothing about Sarah Connor. It would have been unfortunate for example if that was her maiden or married name and some event had or hadn't taken place yet.
*** It knew enough to know where she was and her name at the time. It may also know, based on John's age in the future, that the time the Terminator was sent back to was around when he was conceived; ergo since he's John Connor, she would be Sarah Connor at the time he's conceived and born.
** It knew the name and the city (and the time), no more. The T-101 was destroyed while it was still trying to kill the third and last "Connor, Sarah" listed, so we don't see what it would have done afterward had it not been destroyed. I don't remember the phone book listing any "Connor, Sarai" or anything like that, and presumably there weren't any Sarah Conners about.
* Why would the Terminator need a gun with a laser sight?
** It uses visual aiming, just like humans do.
** It's probably used to energy weapons and not the trajectories of conventional firearms. Also, the gun in question, the AMT Hardballer, was notoriously unreliable.
* It might have been asked before but why didn't Kyle just show Dr. Silbermann his brand from the prison camp to prove his story? He shows it to Sarah earlier in the movie, but Silbermann claims he "doesn't [have] a shred of proof." He might not have believed him still, but it's better than just expecting him to take his word for it.
** It wouldn't have done anything. It would've changed Silberman's view of him from "delusional whacko" to "delusional whacko with a tattoo."
** If anything Silberman would've just assumed Kyle did it to himself as part of his delusion. So-called "alien abductees" have been known to do the same thing.
* In T1, the fact that the Terminator walked around--in public, mind you--with a freakin' assault weapon and NO ONE thought to alert the authorities much less think this suspicious...wonder how well this would have flown in today's time.
* This is something that bothered me for a long time. Why was Kyle Reese arrested? I could buy the fact that he was mistaken for a homless nudist that stole another bum's pants and the Cop's gun. I could also buy into the fact that they suspected him of being the "Phone Book killer" the cops were after. However Sarah gave a description of the real killer and most of what Kyle did however illegal it was and how farfetched his story is to them, he did it to save another. Even if the story was not believed, a DrJerk like Silberman would believe that his actions were under extreme duress. So why keep him in cuffs?
** Because he's demonstrataby violent and apparently insane. People who threaten policemen with their own guns aren't afforded a lot of trust.
*** Those were pointed out already, however I would say again, extreme duress a psychological condition that lasts a long time depending on situation would excuse that. Reese did what he did no matter how ridiculous it is to connect the dots, to save Sarah. He testified to that and so did she.
*** I'm really not sure where you get the idea that that would even matter. In real life, even if you're doing things for the noblest of causes, if you're shooting people and ranting and raving about robots from the future, then you get locked up.
* Why were the army so ''stupid'' when they installed Skynet? They create an artificial intelligence capable of learning at an exponential rate-fair enough. But WHY did they immediately let Skynet be in charge of their nuclear payload/internet?! They should've tested Skynet by having the program be in charge of a simulator experiment, and if it proves reliable upload it onto NATO's computers, with a failsafe in case things fall apart. But nope, [[TooDumbToLive they give an essentially new-born program the keys to world security.]] [[GenreBlind Did they know nothing]] about the AIIsACrapshot trope?
** Going by T3, they were panicking. They'd lost control of all computer enabled assets, which is everything beyond bucket and broom these days, and it was a classic "[[Series/YesMinister We must do something]]; This is something; [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trw1PbQt_Yo Therefore, we must do this]]" panicked decision. They thought they would still have control of Skynet and that Skynet could rip control of stolen assets back. In their panic they could not see the obvious hole in that theory.
