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** The premise of the film and the show is that the Pride Lands must be ruled and defended to keep the Circle of Life in balance and the Pride Lands thriving. Careful management of resources is very important. Disruptive influences, like hyenas that overhunt, or even the mere presence of leopards, are considered unacceptable. The Lion Guard isn't just a rescue brigade, they're law enforcement and ''immigration control'' for the Pride Lands. "Just a few" isn't acceptable because it leads to more disruption. The hyenas are known criminals and not allowed to enter the Pride Lands, period.
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** Not to mention the way they appear to travel around Asia on their journey to the TOL is completely illogical. For example, the first place outside of Africa they reach is not the Middle East as one might expect, but instead seems to be Japan of all places (going off the snow monkeys) on the complete opposite side of the continent. Which also brings up a whole new can of worms: though in theory, they could go from Africa via Sinai in order to access and then trek across Continental Asia on their journey, how did they get to Japan and the Komodo Islands which are separated from the mainland by ocean? The presence of animals like Darwin’s foxes and golden bamboo lemurs, which are native to areas that are separated from Afro-Eurasia by ocean, at the Tree of Life raises similar questions.
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** Not to mention the way they appear to travel around Asia on their journey to the TOL is completely illogical. For example, the first place outside of Africa they reach is not the Middle East as one might expect, but instead seems to be Japan of all places (going off the snow monkeys) on the complete opposite side of the continent. Which also brings up a whole new can of worms: though in theory, they could go from Africa via Sinai in order to access and then trek across Continental Asia on their journey, how did they get to Japan and the Komodo Islands which are separated from the mainland by ocean? The presence of animals like Darwin’s foxes and golden bamboo lemurs, which are native to areas that are separated from Afro-Eurasia by ocean, at the Tree of Life raises similar questions.questions.
* According to Simba's pride, the cub presented in the ending of the Lion King (officiously named "Fluffy" in the production, who didn't intend a sequel initially) reveals to be Kiara in Simba's Pride. And yet, almost every tie-in materials of the first film mentioned "Fluffy" as a boy, logical in the context of the scene: since the ending repeats the beginning scene with the Circle of Life theme, anyone would assume it is a boy like his father was in the first place. So, Kiara as a girl was a bit of a gender RetCon, and the film even gives a nod to this gender bias with Timon and Pumbaa's reaction when they learn it. However, some fans complained that the differences between Kiara's and Fluffy's presentation (which are supposed to be the exact same scene) are too blatant to make it the same, and still stuck with the first boy theory (in fact, every character of the previous film was redesigned because of the change of animation team, but it is more flagrant for the little cub). A first, previously common explanation was that it was actually Kopa, a spin-off character from the Children Books "The Lion King: 6 New Adventures" presented as the grown "Fluffy" of the film, and who disappeared in the events of the official sequel for a reason that some linked to the true motive of the Outlanders banishment. Alex Simmonds, creator of the character, even asserted that the 6 New Adventures were an interquel between the two films, thus making it in line with the universe continuity, but without explaining what happened to his character, in this case. However, the fact the new series "The Lion Guard" stated Kion as the second prince cub made this statement wrong, thus destroying every "canon Kopa" theory. Nevertheless, the introduction of Kion as a son of Simba and Nala brings a new perspective on the debate: since they have approximately the same size and age, they are certainly from the same litter (They look like cubs aged of a few months. A lioness gestation being four months, their sibling-ship would be impossible otherwise, if we suppose the anthropomorphism is reasonable in the series and Nala is the true mother for both).
** Then, it is possible that Kion is indeed the "Fluffy" of the first film, giving an in-universe explanation of the scenes differences and tie-in materials confusion about the gender. Kiara can still be the heir to the throne if she is born a few minutes before her twin brother, but they were both presented to the people in the same ceremony, cut in half throughout the two movies. However, that still raises the question why Kion would have been presented in first, and why he was still nowhere to be seen during Kiara's presentation.
*** "''Return of the Roar''" makes specific more than once that Kion is in fact Kiara's ''younger'' brother in a manner that suits more to a brother of a different pregnancy than a twin brother younger by ''a few minutes''. Either this is the way for characters to keep in mind the order of succession, as unfair as it is for a few minutes (which is a TruthInTelevision for twin princes), either it means Disney anthropomorphised the age/size difference like it did with Kovu and Kiara in Simba's Pride.
*** Kion may not have been presented first. Kiara's presentation takes place at sunrise, while Fluffy's takes place a bit later in the morning. If Kion ''is'' Fluffy, his presentation could be either immediately after Kiara's as a twin (what means Nala awkwardly left newborn Kion in the cave (in the care of another lioness with no doubt) just to watch the presentation of the crown princess), either months later as a separate pregnancy brother, Kiara being mysteriously absent in both cases, as a newborn or as young cub. Anyway, this remains a retroactive fan reinterpretation of the scene more precarious than for Kopa's since it inverts the order of the scenes for no other reason that to fit in. Canonically, Fluffy will stay to be Kiara.
* The hyenas' song is about attacking in the night, but they strike in the afternoon.
** Given how the hyenas are practically starving, who could blame them for attacking earlier than planned?
** If you are a primarily nocturnal species, maybe the definitions of day and night are also reversed.
** Janja and his clan aren't the brightest bulbs in the box.
** For a meta explanation, it's been said that the plot of the pilot changed but they didn't have time to write a new song, so they kept it in.
* The fact that the Guard under Scar's command was destroyed (and Scar himself stripped of his powers) means that the Pridelands were practically defenseless for quite sometime. The beginning of the first film fits into a context where Mufasa is alone to defend the country and has to face an increased harassment from the neighbouring hyenas' land that takes all his attention; what didn't allow him to find out Scar's plot in time. Maybe they could have prevented Mufasa's death, Simba's exile and Scar's ascension to power in the original movie if it weren't for their demise.
* "The Imaginary Okapi" introduces us to Makucha the leopard, who (according to the Guard) aren't native to the Pridelands. The premise of the episode "The Trouble With Galagos," which is ''two'' episodes later, is the Guard helping a leopard reclaim his territory... even though leopards supposedly don't live in the Pridelands.
** The leopard's proper territory is in a forest, in the '''''Backlands''''' which are right next to the Pridelands. It's right that technically, this place is not within the Guard's jurisdiction, but they may help him for diplomatic motives. In a meta way, it is also a good thing they create different characters from the same species on both sides, so they avoid stereotyping like they initially did with the hyenas.
* In "Return of the Roar," Simba initially tells Kion that there are plenty of lions to choose for the guard right in their own pride... have we ''seen'' any other lions at Pride Rock? We've got the royal family, Kiara's friends, and that's it aside from the Outlander lions. They've got to be there, since canonically in the second movie all the lionesses from the first film are still around. Obviously they haven't been integral to the story so far, but for there to not even be so much as a background appearance or any shots of the pride just mingling about or anything still seems odd.
** They're most likely hunting while the main plot of every episode takes place. A few new lionesses appear in "The Ukumbusho Tradition". Likewise, Zira has noticeably less lionesses in her pride than in the movie, though it can be assumed they went off to search for new territories.
* All the previous Lion Guards really wouldn't have been able to fully live up to their reputation. While it is possible for lions to hold the titles of "fiercest" and "bravest" in the Pridelands, the others would have been unable to back up their positions of "fastest", "strongest" and "keenest of sight", since (as the modern-day Guard proves), there are other animals in the Pridelands who are far faster, stronger, and keen of sight than lions.
* According to Simba's pride, the cub presented in the ending of the Lion King (officiously named "Fluffy" in the production, who didn't intend a sequel initially) reveals to be Kiara in Simba's Pride. And yet, almost every tie-in materials of the first film mentioned "Fluffy" as a boy, logical in the context of the scene: since the ending repeats the beginning scene with the Circle of Life theme, anyone would assume it is a boy like his father was in the first place. So, Kiara as a girl was a bit of a gender RetCon, and the film even gives a nod to this gender bias with Timon and Pumbaa's reaction when they learn it. However, some fans complained that the differences between Kiara's and Fluffy's presentation (which are supposed to be the exact same scene) are too blatant to make it the same, and still stuck with the first boy theory (in fact, every character of the previous film was redesigned because of the change of animation team, but it is more flagrant for the little cub). A first, previously common explanation was that it was actually Kopa, a spin-off character from the Children Books "The Lion King: 6 New Adventures" presented as the grown "Fluffy" of the film, and who disappeared in the events of the official sequel for a reason that some linked to the true motive of the Outlanders banishment. Alex Simmonds, creator of the character, even asserted that the 6 New Adventures were an interquel between the two films, thus making it in line with the universe continuity, but without explaining what happened to his character, in this case. However, the fact the new series "The Lion Guard" stated Kion as the second prince cub made this statement wrong, thus destroying every "canon Kopa" theory. Nevertheless, the introduction of Kion as a son of Simba and Nala brings a new perspective on the debate: since they have approximately the same size and age, they are certainly from the same litter (They look like cubs aged of a few months. A lioness gestation being four months, their sibling-ship would be impossible otherwise, if we suppose the anthropomorphism is reasonable in the series and Nala is the true mother for both).
** Then, it is possible that Kion is indeed the "Fluffy" of the first film, giving an in-universe explanation of the scenes differences and tie-in materials confusion about the gender. Kiara can still be the heir to the throne if she is born a few minutes before her twin brother, but they were both presented to the people in the same ceremony, cut in half throughout the two movies. However, that still raises the question why Kion would have been presented in first, and why he was still nowhere to be seen during Kiara's presentation.
*** "''Return of the Roar''" makes specific more than once that Kion is in fact Kiara's ''younger'' brother in a manner that suits more to a brother of a different pregnancy than a twin brother younger by ''a few minutes''. Either this is the way for characters to keep in mind the order of succession, as unfair as it is for a few minutes (which is a TruthInTelevision for twin princes), either it means Disney anthropomorphised the age/size difference like it did with Kovu and Kiara in Simba's Pride.
*** Kion may not have been presented first. Kiara's presentation takes place at sunrise, while Fluffy's takes place a bit later in the morning. If Kion ''is'' Fluffy, his presentation could be either immediately after Kiara's as a twin (what means Nala awkwardly left newborn Kion in the cave (in the care of another lioness with no doubt) just to watch the presentation of the crown princess), either months later as a separate pregnancy brother, Kiara being mysteriously absent in both cases, as a newborn or as young cub. Anyway, this remains a retroactive fan reinterpretation of the scene more precarious than for Kopa's since it inverts the order of the scenes for no other reason that to fit in. Canonically, Fluffy will stay to be Kiara.
* The hyenas' song is about attacking in the night, but they strike in the afternoon.
** Given how the hyenas are practically starving, who could blame them for attacking earlier than planned?
** If you are a primarily nocturnal species, maybe the definitions of day and night are also reversed.
** Janja and his clan aren't the brightest bulbs in the box.
** For a meta explanation, it's been said that the plot of the pilot changed but they didn't have time to write a new song, so they kept it in.
* The fact that the Guard under Scar's command was destroyed (and Scar himself stripped of his powers) means that the Pridelands were practically defenseless for quite sometime. The beginning of the first film fits into a context where Mufasa is alone to defend the country and has to face an increased harassment from the neighbouring hyenas' land that takes all his attention; what didn't allow him to find out Scar's plot in time. Maybe they could have prevented Mufasa's death, Simba's exile and Scar's ascension to power in the original movie if it weren't for their demise.
* "The Imaginary Okapi" introduces us to Makucha the leopard, who (according to the Guard) aren't native to the Pridelands. The premise of the episode "The Trouble With Galagos," which is ''two'' episodes later, is the Guard helping a leopard reclaim his territory... even though leopards supposedly don't live in the Pridelands.
** The leopard's proper territory is in a forest, in the '''''Backlands''''' which are right next to the Pridelands. It's right that technically, this place is not within the Guard's jurisdiction, but they may help him for diplomatic motives. In a meta way, it is also a good thing they create different characters from the same species on both sides, so they avoid stereotyping like they initially did with the hyenas.
* In "Return of the Roar," Simba initially tells Kion that there are plenty of lions to choose for the guard right in their own pride... have we ''seen'' any other lions at Pride Rock? We've got the royal family, Kiara's friends, and that's it aside from the Outlander lions. They've got to be there, since canonically in the second movie all the lionesses from the first film are still around. Obviously they haven't been integral to the story so far, but for there to not even be so much as a background appearance or any shots of the pride just mingling about or anything still seems odd.
** They're most likely hunting while the main plot of every episode takes place. A few new lionesses appear in "The Ukumbusho Tradition". Likewise, Zira has noticeably less lionesses in her pride than in the movie, though it can be assumed they went off to search for new territories.
* All the previous Lion Guards really wouldn't have been able to fully live up to their reputation. While it is possible for lions to hold the titles of "fiercest" and "bravest" in the Pridelands, the others would have been unable to back up their positions of "fastest", "strongest" and "keenest of sight", since (as the modern-day Guard proves), there are other animals in the Pridelands who are far faster, stronger, and keen of sight than lions.
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* Why is Rani was appointed to the position of Queen of the Night Pride after her Grandmother died, when she was only a cub? She has an adult uncle who would logically act as a regent until Rani is older, plus there are other adult members of the pride shown. Surely an inexperienced cub would not be picked as leader if there were other options?
* Why is Jasiri, a cub or at least a younger teenager, in charge of a clan of hyenas instead of an adult female? Surely she would have been overpowered by an adult hyena if there was competition for the role of leader?
* Why is Jasiri, a cub or at least a younger teenager, in charge of a clan of hyenas instead of an adult female? Surely she would have been overpowered by an adult hyena if there was competition for the role of leader?
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* Why are Simba and Nala okay with thrusting such a huge responsibility like leading the Lion Guard onto Kion when he was only a cub? Not only is it an extremely dangerous position, since he is supposed to fight off larger predators and peace keep, but they did not take time to prepare him for this role before putting him into the position. Simba more or less threw him into it and his dialogue in the first episodes implies he expects Kion to somehow be ready to handle this role or at least be mature enough to? Why is they are taking time through Kiara's cubhood to train her to be queen before she takes the position yet they throw their youngest into his role immediately without taking time to actually prepare him? Its a bit weird they don't wait until he is an adult to do so.
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* Why are Simba and Nala okay with thrusting such a huge responsibility like leading the Lion Guard onto Kion when he was only a cub? Not only is it an extremely dangerous position, since he is supposed to fight off larger predators and peace keep, but they did not take time to prepare him for this role before putting him into the position. Simba more or less threw him into it and his dialogue in the first episodes implies he expects Kion to somehow be ready to handle this role or at least be mature enough to? Why is If they are taking time through Kiara's cubhood to train her to be queen before she takes the position yet position, its makes no sense that they throw their youngest into his role immediately without taking time to actually prepare him? Its him. It's a bit weird they don't wait until he is an adult to do so.so like how they raised Kiara.
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* Why are Simba and Nala okay with thrusting such a huge responsibility like leading the Lion Guard onto Kion when he was only a cub? Not only is it an extremely dangerous position, since he is supposed to fight off larger predators and peace keep, but they did not take time to prepare him for this role before putting him into the position. Simba more or less threw him into it and his dialogue in the first episodes implies he expects Kion to somehow be ready to handle this role or at least be mature enough to? Why is they are taking time through Kiara's cubhood to train her to be queen before she takes the position yet they throw their youngest into his role immediately without taking time to actually prepare him? Its a bit weird they don't wait until he is an adult to do so.
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** Not to mention the way they appear to travel around Asia on their journey to the TOL is completely illogical. For example, the first place outside of Africa they reach is not the Middle East as one might expect, but instead seems to be Japan of all places (going off the snow monkeys) on the complete opposite side of the continent. Which also brings up a whole new can of worms: though in theory, they could go from Africa via Sinai in order to access and then trek across Continental Asia on their journey, how did they get to Japan and the Komodo Islands which are separated from the mainland by ocean? The presence of animals like Darwin’s foxes and golden bamboo lemurs, which are native to areas that are separated from Afro-Eurasia by ocean, at the Tree of Life raises similar questions.
!! In real life
* Why does this focus on another child that Simba and Nala have together, and in a retcon moreover? Why not go on with Kiara and Kovu's own family? They could still have Simba and Nala in the series, but they would be going with Kiara's child instead.
** Maybe they did not like the idea to age up Simba and Nala into grandparents. Simba in particular is a central character of the franchise, and that could break the fan base.
*** And don't forget secondary characters like Zazu, Timon, Pumbaa and Rafiki. They were already adult, or old, the day when Simba was BORN. It is already barely plausible that this four ones remained unchanged at the end of Simba's Pride. If they jumped again another generation, they would need to replace a lot of the casting.
** It is possible they judged the situation was in a dead end, after Simba's Pride. Since the prides are reunified and the hyenas are apparently gone, there is no more villain to drive the plot. Everything is at peace.... and that is boring.
** It is a shame they did not try it because, since Kovu and Kiara are of different colours, it would have been a perfect excuse to create a sequel similar to the prequel of Mufasa's and Scar's youth that so much fans craved for; the obsessive fear of a repetition of the past in addition. And thus to complete the circle.
* The continuity issue just doesn't seem to be worth the trouble. If Kiara and Kion are both present in ''The Lion Guard'', How does Kion fit into the continuity of Simba's Pride''? Thinking of the bed in order to ensure that everything fit together.
** It's not a problem as long as the series goes on with children characters. For the moment, one can still pretend Kion is offscreen during the Kiara's childhood part of the second film, being busy with his Guard's duty. It would become more delicate once he's grown up, and would be helpful to defend the country against Zira's attack, but the series is not there yet. Some WMG suggests hypothesis about how the scenarist could tie the ends.
** Now we know he was at the Tree of Life.
* What's the logic behind making this a preschool show? It could have been far more successful if they had aimed for the same age range they did for ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKing1994''.
** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice this series' problems as discussed on this site, which sum up to sloppy writing. If little kids don't notice the writing is crap, they won't care enough to ignore it, and the show gets its audience either way. It's ViewersAreMorons meets developmental psychology. The viewing population at large has been underestimated, as this show has been fed to the most gullible audience possible.
!! In real life
* Why does this focus on another child that Simba and Nala have together, and in a retcon moreover? Why not go on with Kiara and Kovu's own family? They could still have Simba and Nala in the series, but they would be going with Kiara's child instead.
** Maybe they did not like the idea to age up Simba and Nala into grandparents. Simba in particular is a central character of the franchise, and that could break the fan base.
*** And don't forget secondary characters like Zazu, Timon, Pumbaa and Rafiki. They were already adult, or old, the day when Simba was BORN. It is already barely plausible that this four ones remained unchanged at the end of Simba's Pride. If they jumped again another generation, they would need to replace a lot of the casting.
** It is possible they judged the situation was in a dead end, after Simba's Pride. Since the prides are reunified and the hyenas are apparently gone, there is no more villain to drive the plot. Everything is at peace.... and that is boring.
** It is a shame they did not try it because, since Kovu and Kiara are of different colours, it would have been a perfect excuse to create a sequel similar to the prequel of Mufasa's and Scar's youth that so much fans craved for; the obsessive fear of a repetition of the past in addition. And thus to complete the circle.
* The continuity issue just doesn't seem to be worth the trouble. If Kiara and Kion are both present in ''The Lion Guard'', How does Kion fit into the continuity of Simba's Pride''? Thinking of the bed in order to ensure that everything fit together.
** It's not a problem as long as the series goes on with children characters. For the moment, one can still pretend Kion is offscreen during the Kiara's childhood part of the second film, being busy with his Guard's duty. It would become more delicate once he's grown up, and would be helpful to defend the country against Zira's attack, but the series is not there yet. Some WMG suggests hypothesis about how the scenarist could tie the ends.
** Now we know he was at the Tree of Life.
* What's the logic behind making this a preschool show? It could have been far more successful if they had aimed for the same age range they did for ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKing1994''.
** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice this series' problems as discussed on this site, which sum up to sloppy writing. If little kids don't notice the writing is crap, they won't care enough to ignore it, and the show gets its audience either way. It's ViewersAreMorons meets developmental psychology. The viewing population at large has been underestimated, as this show has been fed to the most gullible audience possible.
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** Not to mention the way they appear to travel around Asia on their journey to the TOL is completely illogical. For example, the first place outside of Africa they reach is not the Middle East as one might expect, but instead seems to be Japan of all places (going off the snow monkeys) on the complete opposite side of the continent. Which also brings up a whole new can of worms: though in theory, they could go from Africa via Sinai in order to access and then trek across Continental Asia on their journey, how did they get to Japan and the Komodo Islands which are separated from the mainland by ocean? The presence of animals like Darwin’s foxes and golden bamboo lemurs, which are native to areas that are separated from Afro-Eurasia by ocean, at the Tree of Life raises similar questions.
!! In real life
* Why does this focus on another child that Simba and Nala have together, and in a retcon moreover? Why not go on with Kiara and Kovu's own family? They could still have Simba and Nala in the series, but they would be going with Kiara's child instead.
** Maybe they did not like the idea to age up Simba and Nala into grandparents. Simba in particular is a central character of the franchise, and that could break the fan base.
*** And don't forget secondary characters like Zazu, Timon, Pumbaa and Rafiki. They were already adult, or old, the day when Simba was BORN. It is already barely plausible that this four ones remained unchanged at the end of Simba's Pride. If they jumped again another generation, they would need to replace a lot of the casting.
** It is possible they judged the situation was in a dead end, after Simba's Pride. Since the prides are reunified and the hyenas are apparently gone, there is no more villain to drive the plot. Everything is at peace.... and that is boring.
** It is a shame they did not try it because, since Kovu and Kiara are of different colours, it would have been a perfect excuse to create a sequel similar to the prequel of Mufasa's and Scar's youth that so much fans craved for; the obsessive fear of a repetition of the past in addition. And thus to complete the circle.
* The continuity issue just doesn't seem to be worth the trouble. If Kiara and Kion are both present in ''The Lion Guard'', How does Kion fit into the continuity of Simba's Pride''? Thinking of the bed in order to ensure that everything fit together.
** It's not a problem as long as the series goes on with children characters. For the moment, one can still pretend Kion is offscreen during the Kiara's childhood part of the second film, being busy with his Guard's duty. It would become more delicate once he's grown up, and would be helpful to defend the country against Zira's attack, but the series is not there yet. Some WMG suggests hypothesis about how the scenarist could tie the ends.
** Now we know he was at the Tree of Life.
* What's the logic behind making this a preschool show? It could have been far more successful if they had aimed for the same age range they did for ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKing1994''.
** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice this series' problems as discussed on this site, which sum up to sloppy writing. If little kids don't notice the writing is crap, they won't care enough to ignore it, and the show gets its audience either way. It's ViewersAreMorons meets developmental psychology. The viewing population at large has been underestimated, as this show has been fed to the most gullible audience possible.questions.
!! In real life
* Why does this focus on another child that Simba and Nala have together, and in a retcon moreover? Why not go on with Kiara and Kovu's own family? They could still have Simba and Nala in the series, but they would be going with Kiara's child instead.
** Maybe they did not like the idea to age up Simba and Nala into grandparents. Simba in particular is a central character of the franchise, and that could break the fan base.
*** And don't forget secondary characters like Zazu, Timon, Pumbaa and Rafiki. They were already adult, or old, the day when Simba was BORN. It is already barely plausible that this four ones remained unchanged at the end of Simba's Pride. If they jumped again another generation, they would need to replace a lot of the casting.
** It is possible they judged the situation was in a dead end, after Simba's Pride. Since the prides are reunified and the hyenas are apparently gone, there is no more villain to drive the plot. Everything is at peace.... and that is boring.
** It is a shame they did not try it because, since Kovu and Kiara are of different colours, it would have been a perfect excuse to create a sequel similar to the prequel of Mufasa's and Scar's youth that so much fans craved for; the obsessive fear of a repetition of the past in addition. And thus to complete the circle.
* The continuity issue just doesn't seem to be worth the trouble. If Kiara and Kion are both present in ''The Lion Guard'', How does Kion fit into the continuity of Simba's Pride''? Thinking of the bed in order to ensure that everything fit together.
** It's not a problem as long as the series goes on with children characters. For the moment, one can still pretend Kion is offscreen during the Kiara's childhood part of the second film, being busy with his Guard's duty. It would become more delicate once he's grown up, and would be helpful to defend the country against Zira's attack, but the series is not there yet. Some WMG suggests hypothesis about how the scenarist could tie the ends.
** Now we know he was at the Tree of Life.
* What's the logic behind making this a preschool show? It could have been far more successful if they had aimed for the same age range they did for ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKing1994''.
** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice this series' problems as discussed on this site, which sum up to sloppy writing. If little kids don't notice the writing is crap, they won't care enough to ignore it, and the show gets its audience either way. It's ViewersAreMorons meets developmental psychology. The viewing population at large has been underestimated, as this show has been fed to the most gullible audience possible.
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** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice this series'problems as discussed on this site, which sum up to sloppy writing. If little kids don't notice the writing is crap, they won't care enough to ignore it, and the show gets its audience either way. It's ViewersAreMorons meets developmental psychology. The viewing population at large has been underestimated, as this show has been fed to the most gullible audience possible.
** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice this series'problems as discussed on this site, which sum up to sloppy writing. If little kids don't notice the writing is crap, they won't care enough to ignore it, and the show gets its audience either way. It's ViewersAreMorons meets developmental psychology. The viewing population at large has been underestimated, as this show has been fed to the most gullible audience possible.
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* What's the logic behind making this a preschool show? It could have been far more successful if they had aimed for the same age range they did for ''Disney/TheLionKing.''
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** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice thisseries'problems series' problems as discussed on this site, which sum up to sloppy writing. If little kids don't notice the writing is crap, they won't care enough to ignore it, and the show gets its audience either way. It's ViewersAreMorons meets developmental psychology. The viewing population at large has been underestimated, as this show has been fed to the most gullible audience possible.
** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice this
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** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice this series's problems as discussed on this site, which sum up to sloppy writing. If little kids don't notice the writing is crap, they won't care enough to ignore it, and the show gets it's audience either way. It's ViewersAreMorons meets developmental psychology. The viewing population at large has been underestimated, as this show has been fed to the most gullible audience possible.
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** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice this series's problems series'problems as discussed on this site, which sum up to sloppy writing. If little kids don't notice the writing is crap, they won't care enough to ignore it, and the show gets it's its audience either way. It's ViewersAreMorons meets developmental psychology. The viewing population at large has been underestimated, as this show has been fed to the most gullible audience possible.
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** Not to mention the way they appear to travel around Asia on their journey to the TOL is completely illogical. For example, the first place outside of Africa they reach is not the Middle East as one might expect, but instead seems to be Japan of all places (going off the snow monkeys) on the complete opposite side of the continent. Which also brings up a whole new can of worms: though in theory, they could go from Africa via Sinai in order to access and then trek across Continental Asia on their journey, how did they get to Japan and the Komodo Islands which are separated from the mainland by ocean?
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** Not to mention the way they appear to travel around Asia on their journey to the TOL is completely illogical. For example, the first place outside of Africa they reach is not the Middle East as one might expect, but instead seems to be Japan of all places (going off the snow monkeys) on the complete opposite side of the continent. Which also brings up a whole new can of worms: though in theory, they could go from Africa via Sinai in order to access and then trek across Continental Asia on their journey, how did they get to Japan and the Komodo Islands which are separated from the mainland by ocean?ocean? The presence of animals like Darwin’s foxes and golden bamboo lemurs, which are native to areas that are separated from Afro-Eurasia by ocean, at the Tree of Life raises similar questions.
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** Not to mention the way they appear to travel around Asia on their journey to the TOL is completely illogical. For example, the first place outside of Africa they reach is not the Middle East as one might expect, but instead seems to be Japan of all places (going off the snow monkeys) on the complete opposite side of the continent. Which also brings up a whole new can of worms: though in theory, they could go from Africa via Sinai in order to access and then trek across Continental Asia, how did they get to Japan and the Komodo Islands which are separated from the mainland by ocean?
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** Not to mention the way they appear to travel around Asia on their journey to the TOL is completely illogical. For example, the first place outside of Africa they reach is not the Middle East as one might expect, but instead seems to be Japan of all places (going off the snow monkeys) on the complete opposite side of the continent. Which also brings up a whole new can of worms: though in theory, they could go from Africa via Sinai in order to access and then trek across Continental Asia, Asia on their journey, how did they get to Japan and the Komodo Islands which are separated from the mainland by ocean?
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** Not to mention the way they appear to travel around Asia on their journey to the TOL is completely illogical. For example, the first place outside of Africa they reach is not the Middle East as one might expect, but instead seems to be Japan of all places (going off the snow monkeys) on the complete opposite side of the continent. Which also brings up a whole new can of worms: though in theory, they could go from Africa via Sinai in order to access and then trek across Continental Asia, how did they get to Japan and the Komodo Islands which are separated from the mainland by ocean?
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*** Scar does not share Zira's lions supremacy philosophy and seems to hold a great deal of disdain for lions as Scar has never been seen working with lions before even when he could, his army was compromised entirely of non lion animals and while hardly treating them well he treated the hyenas better than he did the pride during his reign. Scar has no desire of working with lions he prefers underdogs as he himself is an underdog going up against the strongest. Scar's whole thing is the weak defeat the strong, Zira is a social Darwinist who believes in survival of the fittest. Everything about Zira clashes with what Scar prefers.
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* Just how far away is the Tree of Life? By the seventh episode of the season, it looks like the Guard must have left Africa via Egypt and walked across the Middle East and India to the coast of Asia. How long have they been gone?
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** ''Simba's Pride'' makes it clear that Zira blames Simba and Simba only for Scar's death ("Who killed scar?"/"Simba!"). "Simba killed Scar" seems to be the Outsiders' official view of history -- they don't blame the hyenas (whether from genuine ignorance or willful denial [[Main/AlternateCharacterInterpretation should be debated]]). Zira clearly looks down on hyenas, but then again, so did Scar. He treated them like servants and saw them as tools to further his plans, not as equals. He saw hyenas (and, indeed, pretty much everyone) as beneath him, and so do the Outsiders. Recruiting hyenas to work for you, they could probably understand, but being their friend and fighting alongside them as an equal? Risking your life for theirs? Ridiculous!
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** The problem in both the original movie and the series is that the hyenas are prone to over-hunting. In the film Scar promised them they would never go hungry again, but once the hyenas forced the lions to hunt more animals and the surviving ones left the Pride Lands, they had nothing to eat (and by then the herds were likely too far away to track). The Guard repelling Janja's clan is mainly to prevent that situation from happening again.
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* Trespassing aside what is inherently bad about Hyena's hunting in the Pride Lands? Even when the entirety of Shenzi's clan became apart of it it took several years for the Pride Lands to fall apart and as mentioned in Lion King's YMMV that only happened because of a drought and Scar's refusal to manage the situation with no indication that things weren't going relatively well before that. I understand the Circle of Life concept but what consequences could come from a few Hyenas occasionally hunting there?
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* Trespassing aside what is inherently bad about Hyena's hunting in the Pride Lands? Even when the entirety of When Shenzi's clan became apart of it it, it took several years for the Pride Lands to fall apart and as mentioned in Lion King's YMMV that only happened because of a drought and Scar's refusal to manage the situation with there being no indication that things weren't going relatively well before that. I understand the Circle of Life concept ideology, but what consequences could come from a few Hyenas occasionally hunting there?
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* Trespassing aside what is inherently bad about Hyena's hunting in the Pride Lands? Even when the entirety of Shenzi's clan became apart of it it took several years for the Pride Lands to fall apart and as mentioned in Lion King's YMMV that only happened because of a drought and Scar's refusal to manage the situation with no indication that things weren't going relatively well before that. I understand the Circle of Life concept but what consequences could come from a few Hyenas occasionally hunting there?
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** The lions don't want the lionesses to demonstrate physical prowess.
** Lions can't mate with injured/dead lionesses.
** Lions can't mate with injured/dead lionesses.
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** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice this series's problems as discussed on this site, which sum up to sloppy writing. If little kids don't notice the writing is crap, they won't care enough to ignore it, and the show gets it's audience either way. It's ViewersAreMorons meets developmental psychology.
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** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice this series's problems as discussed on this site, which sum up to sloppy writing. If little kids don't notice the writing is crap, they won't care enough to ignore it, and the show gets it's audience either way. It's ViewersAreMorons meets developmental psychology. The viewing population at large has been underestimated, as this show has been fed to the most gullible audience possible.
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* What's the logic behind making this a preschool show? It could have been far more successful if they had aimed for the same age range they did for ''Disney/TheLionKing.''
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* What's the logic behind making this a preschool show? It could have been far more successful if they had aimed for the same age range they did for ''Disney/TheLionKing.''''
** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice this series's problems as discussed on this site, which sum up to sloppy writing. If little kids don't notice the writing is crap, they won't care enough to ignore it, and the show gets it's audience either way. It's ViewersAreMorons meets developmental psychology.
** That's a very good question. It looks like it was decided that preschool audiences weren't going to notice this series's problems as discussed on this site, which sum up to sloppy writing. If little kids don't notice the writing is crap, they won't care enough to ignore it, and the show gets it's audience either way. It's ViewersAreMorons meets developmental psychology.
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** Mufasa taught Simba to respect all species, including those lions eat. We can assume that Simba passed that wisdom on. Essential to this series's less savory elements is that groups like the Outlanders just don't get it.
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* Why do all the prey animals have a cordial relationship with the lions?
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** It's not a problem as long as the series goes on with children characters. For the moment, one can still pretend Kion is offscreen during the Kiara's childhood part of the second film, being busy with his Guard's duty. It would become more delicate once he's grown up, and would be helpful to defend the country against Zira's attack, but the series is not there yet. Some WMG suggests hypothesis about how the scenarist could tie the ends.
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** It's not a problem as long as the series goes on with children characters. For the moment, one can still pretend Kion is offscreen during the Kiara's childhood part of the second film, being busy with his Guard's duty. It would become more delicate once he's grown up, and would be helpful to defend the country against Zira's attack, but the series is not there yet. Some WMG suggests hypothesis about how the scenarist could tie the ends.ends.
* What's the logic behind making this a preschool show? It could have been far more successful if they had aimed for the same age range they did for ''Disney/TheLionKing.''
* What's the logic behind making this a preschool show? It could have been far more successful if they had aimed for the same age range they did for ''Disney/TheLionKing.''
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* Now that I think about it, the above 2 issues raise another issue together: if their culture has no problem with females ruling, why would they have a problem with females fighting in battle?
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** Which still doesn't completely add up: Nuka is at least an adolescent by the time of the show and ''Simba's Pride'', so he'd probably be the only one who actually remembers what happened during Scar's regime. Maybe he used to like hyenas, then began hating them once he learned they ate his father alive?
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*** It's the problem of OrphanedEtymology in "non-human" universe : here, many names of species are human-related (Thomson's gazelle, Cape anteater...) which doesn't make sense in-universe. Let's say it is for the sake of the translation of their AnimalTalk.
** Zazu explicitly talked about "Africa" in the first film, so they know about the mere existence of their continent at least. It's very plausible they have some notions of geography thanks to the migratory birds, who probably told them about the other Land far in the North (Europe) as well as about some big dry place on the North-East (Middle-East), but certainly not much more.
** Zazu explicitly talked about "Africa" in the first film, so they know about the mere existence of their continent at least. It's very plausible they have some notions of geography thanks to the migratory birds, who probably told them about the other Land far in the North (Europe) as well as about some big dry place on the North-East (Middle-East), but certainly not much more.
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** And don't forget secondary characters like Zazu, Timon, Pumbaa and Rafiki. They were already adult, or old, the day when Simba was BORN. It is already barely plausible that this four ones remained unchanged at the end of Simba's Pride. If they jumped again another generation, they would need to replace a lot of the casting.
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