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* [[{{WesternAnimation/QuestForCamelot}} QuestForCamelot]] gets a lot of flak from critics and the online community for its unwillingness to explain magical nonsense, ''but wow'', Black Cauldron is an ExecutiveMeddling mess in this regard.
** First of all, the decision to re-write the titular ArtifactOfDoom not as the witch's weapon, but rather an indestructible SoulJar creates all sorts of problems. The opening prologue, in its attempt to be nothing but ominous, EXPLAINS NOTHING. How can a single king of mortals be so cruel and evil that even the gods fear him? His own subjects, sure. But in the grand cosmic scheme of things, deities are far beyond and removed from the main story, characters or their plight anyway.
*** If you assume this is based on Myth/CelticMythology (''Literature/TheChroniclesOfPrydain'' are at least loosely based on Welsh mythology) then yes, the gods have a reason to fear a sorcerous overlord. Considering most of them ''are that''.[[note]]Granted, most surviving records were written by christians, but the barrier between "god", "spirit" and "deified human" are always blurry in polytheistic religions.[[/note]]
** First of all, the decision to re-write the titular ArtifactOfDoom not as the witch's weapon, but rather an indestructible SoulJar creates all sorts of problems. The opening prologue, in its attempt to be nothing but ominous, EXPLAINS NOTHING. How can a single king of mortals be so cruel and evil that even the gods fear him? His own subjects, sure. But in the grand cosmic scheme of things, deities are far beyond and removed from the main story, characters or their plight anyway.
*** If you assume this is based on Myth/CelticMythology (''Literature/TheChroniclesOfPrydain'' are at least loosely based on Welsh mythology) then yes, the gods have a reason to fear a sorcerous overlord. Considering most of them ''are that''.[[note]]Granted, most surviving records were written by christians, but the barrier between "god", "spirit" and "deified human" are always blurry in polytheistic religions.[[/note]]
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* [[{{WesternAnimation/QuestForCamelot}} QuestForCamelot]] gets a lot of flak from critics and the online community for its unwillingness to explain magical nonsense, ''but wow'', Black Cauldron is an ExecutiveMeddling mess in this regard.
** First of all, the decision to re-write the titular ArtifactOfDoom not as the witch's weapon, but rather an indestructible SoulJar creates all sorts of problems.The opening prologue, in its attempt to be nothing but ominous, EXPLAINS NOTHING. How can a single king of mortals be so cruel and evil that even the gods fear him? His own subjects, sure. But in the grand cosmic scheme of things, deities are far beyond and removed from the main story, characters or their plight anyway.
*** ** If you assume this is based on Myth/CelticMythology (''Literature/TheChroniclesOfPrydain'' are at least loosely based on Welsh mythology) then yes, the gods have a reason to fear a sorcerous overlord. Considering most of them ''are that''.[[note]]Granted, most surviving records were written by christians, but the barrier between "god", "spirit" and "deified human" are always blurry in polytheistic religions.[[/note]]
** First of all, the decision to re-write the titular ArtifactOfDoom not as the witch's weapon, but rather an indestructible SoulJar creates all sorts of problems.
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** No one said the cancelling of the power would be instantaneous; the whole climax is the power that the Cauldron has expanded being reabsorbed back into itself. This isn't willing meddling by the spirit; it couldn't stop the "vacuum-cleaner" effect if it wanted to. That it ends up getting revenge on the King by absorbing him along with everything else is a lucky accident. As for the King foolishly standing around when he should be teleporting the heck outta here, [[VillainousBreakdown yes, the Horned King isn't exactly thinking clearly at this point]], if the [[RedEyesTakeWarning suddenly glowing red eyes]] (which previously indicated the King was ''very'' roused up about something earlier) and uselessly ordering the dead skeletons didn't clue you in. His master plan that he's been perfecting for centuries has suddenly gone wrong because of an idiotic pig boy, and ''he's not taking it well''.
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** No one said the cancelling of the power would be instantaneous; the whole climax is the power that the Cauldron has expanded being reabsorbed back into itself. This isn't willing meddling by the spirit; it couldn't stop the "vacuum-cleaner" effect if it wanted to. That it ends up getting revenge on the King by absorbing him along with everything else is a lucky accident. As for the King foolishly standing around when he should be teleporting the heck outta here, [[VillainousBreakdown yes, the Horned King isn't exactly thinking clearly at this point]], if the [[RedEyesTakeWarning suddenly glowing red eyes]] (which previously indicated the King was ''very'' roused up about something earlier) and uselessly ordering the dead skeletons didn't clue you in. His master plan that he's been perfecting for centuries has suddenly gone wrong because of an idiotic pig boy, and ''he's not taking it well''.well''.
* Gurgi, before his HeroicSacrifice, says "Gurgi won't let his friend die! Taran has many friends. Gurgi has no friends." But you just referred to Taran as your friend...
** FridgeSadness: Gurgi is well aware that Taran doesn't think too highly of him (to put it mildly), and yet he's still the closest thing to a friend Gurgi has.
** Friendship isn't entirely mutual; one person may consider another a friend while the other doesn't think that much of them. [[AliceAndBob Alice can be Bob's friend]] without Bob being Alice's. Gurgi is just showing awareness of this paradox.
** And even if Taran ''did'' like Gurgi at all, maybe he just meant "no ''other'' friends".
** Gurgi's grammar is weird. Possibly he meant to be speaking in the future tense, as in "If Taran jumps, Gurgi ''will have'' no friends."
* So, the witches state that they can only give up the Cauldron if given something in trade. Gurgi offers his apple core, which one of the witches takes. So shouldn't that mean that they get the Cauldron without having to surrender the sword since their offer was accepted?
** It was never made official: the bargain as it played out was only enacted once the lead witch closed the deal herself. The other witch really just grabs the core out of Gurgi's hands and chomps on it in a single bite--even if she had waited, it wouldn't have been much of a fair trade.
* According to the witches, Gurgi's sacrifice has destroyed the Cauldron's power to raise the dead. It's powerless now except for its innate indestructibility, but the witches are still quite eager to take it back. Either they were lying about it losing its powers, or they grossly overpaid (it's implied bringing Gurgi back to life was quite an effort), or they were keeping up an 'evil witch' front while actually cutting poor Gurgi a break.
** Maybe they have a use for an indestructible cauldron even if it's ''not'' an ArtifactOfDoom.
** Well, just because it is now powerless, it doesn't mean if is still can be used (just like the troper above mentioned), but also... Who's to say that the witches COULD try to find a way for the cauldron to regain it's powers, or even neutralizing/removing's Gurgi's "seal" OUT of it, so it can be as how it was at the beggining? (but now with TWO evil souls inside of it instead of just one, of course.)
* Gurgi, before his HeroicSacrifice, says "Gurgi won't let his friend die! Taran has many friends. Gurgi has no friends." But you just referred to Taran as your friend...
** FridgeSadness: Gurgi is well aware that Taran doesn't think too highly of him (to put it mildly), and yet he's still the closest thing to a friend Gurgi has.
** Friendship isn't entirely mutual; one person may consider another a friend while the other doesn't think that much of them. [[AliceAndBob Alice can be Bob's friend]] without Bob being Alice's. Gurgi is just showing awareness of this paradox.
** And even if Taran ''did'' like Gurgi at all, maybe he just meant "no ''other'' friends".
** Gurgi's grammar is weird. Possibly he meant to be speaking in the future tense, as in "If Taran jumps, Gurgi ''will have'' no friends."
* So, the witches state that they can only give up the Cauldron if given something in trade. Gurgi offers his apple core, which one of the witches takes. So shouldn't that mean that they get the Cauldron without having to surrender the sword since their offer was accepted?
** It was never made official: the bargain as it played out was only enacted once the lead witch closed the deal herself. The other witch really just grabs the core out of Gurgi's hands and chomps on it in a single bite--even if she had waited, it wouldn't have been much of a fair trade.
* According to the witches, Gurgi's sacrifice has destroyed the Cauldron's power to raise the dead. It's powerless now except for its innate indestructibility, but the witches are still quite eager to take it back. Either they were lying about it losing its powers, or they grossly overpaid (it's implied bringing Gurgi back to life was quite an effort), or they were keeping up an 'evil witch' front while actually cutting poor Gurgi a break.
** Maybe they have a use for an indestructible cauldron even if it's ''not'' an ArtifactOfDoom.
** Well, just because it is now powerless, it doesn't mean if is still can be used (just like the troper above mentioned), but also... Who's to say that the witches COULD try to find a way for the cauldron to regain it's powers, or even neutralizing/removing's Gurgi's "seal" OUT of it, so it can be as how it was at the beggining? (but now with TWO evil souls inside of it instead of just one, of course.)
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*** Maybe the cauldron couldn't be destroyed immediately, even if they did have a willing volunteer. Maybe the Overlord's spirit had to be sealed away for a certain number of years first for his power to "cool off" somewhat, and only ''then'' would the "jump into the cauldron" clause take effect.
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** AdaptationInducedPlotHole. In the book, they were going to turn the heroes into toads, as they do with (nearly) all intruders, but they made an exception when they heard that Taran was Dallben's ward. After that, transformation was off the table unless the heroes overstayed their welcome or broke rules, and even then they let the attempted theft of the Cauldron slide. Additionally, the item they wanted would lose its powers if taken by force, and they didn't want the Cauldron hanging around (which is why they decided to trade it to a group that wanted to destroy it).
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** Why is the Horned King looking for something he doesn't even know with certainty exists or not? He's intelligent, so why isn't he concentrating his efforts on taking over the land? Why waste time and resources pursuing a dark fairy tale without a single shred of evidence of it being real?
*** Because he's mad. Intelligent, but mad. He doesn't just want to take over the world, he wants to [[AGodAmI rule over a world of the undead]]. He's not bloody ''interested'' in basic conquest. As to his "So it ''does'' exist!", my impression was that he'd started out pretty confident the Cauldron existed, but over the centuries of looking had begun to doubt.
** Why do the witches, having complete mastery and control over the given situation, decide not to turn Taran and present company into frogs, but suddenly decide to do a little spot of business with them instead?
*** If they want the SealedGoodInACan Sword so badly... then why not just take it by force? They clearly have the power.
*** I know it's confusing because "the Fair Folk" is something else entirely in that world, but the Witches have the role of TheFairFolk here, that is to say LawfulNeutral beings with BlueAndOrangeMorality. Much like a NobleDemon, they have no ethics at all, but [[DealWithTheDevil magical deals]] are serious business.
*** And how could they so be certain that after this convoluted scheme, they'll end up with both the Cauldron and the Sword? If the Horned King succeeds well, and Taran dies, well, nope. (This ends up biting them on the ass in the ending as Fflewddur demands they do a trade-back.)
*** No one said the Witches were the epitome of rationality, but anyway, they've got so many magical items that I think they were okay with ''gambling'' on the Cauldron/Sword thing. Also, they're ultimately based on the Fates, so [[WildMassGuessing maybe]] they've got some way of knowing how things will turn out…
*** Why would the protagonists presume the Cauldron can be destroyed? Like in the book? Was the ontological association between the corporeal and spiritual not made? Did all five of them not do their homework properly here? Or did Dallben [[PoorCommunicationKills do a terrible job at explaining what this thing even is?]]
* He ''did''. Dallben never meant for Taran to go around chasing the Cauldron: he was just meant to keep Hen Wen safe. The whole film is Taran blundering into this complicated magical war and more or less making things worse until he succeeds by a combination of good luck and his ''friends'' actually being heroic, unlike him. His story arc here is to realize he was never TheHero or TheChosenOne in the first place. So yes. Dallben didn't tell him anything because he didn't think he had any cause to, and Taran rushed in without thinking because he's a young, rash imbecile.
** Why can't the Cauldron be destroyed? It's a SoulJar and, like any, those tend to break. It's made of iron? Iron's melting point is 1,538 °C, and it certainly exceeded that in the ending. So why? Did the story not explain this fictional universe's rules between the corporeal and spiritual?
*** [[AWizardDidit The stuff holds the soul of an evil sorcerer]]. It's not a stretch to assume that if it can cause castle-destroying explosions, it can give itself NighInvulnerability too, much like [[Literature/HarryPotter certain other soul-jars from fantasy that we could name]].
*** In the books, at least, it's made ''thoroughly'' clear that the Black Cauldron can't be destroyed short of some long-arranged one way to destroy it. The heroes wear themselves out trying to break it with hammers and tools, and the Witches are finally, oh, ''that's'' what you wanted?
** How would the Witches even know that if a living being climbs into the Cauldron of their own free will, this would cripple its evil powers forever? Such a feat of the like has never happened before (along with actually using the Cauldron for its own dark design in the first place) ''so how could they possibly know this?''
*** Re: MagicAIsMagicA, and the Witches are clearly the most knowledgeable people in the setting about magic, so if anybody could know, ''they'' would know.
** How did the Horned King (who not long ago didn't even know if this ArtifactOfDoom existed or not) know how to unleash the demonic spirit's power? A skeleton (and a killed-off minion in the deleted scenes) combined with a bloodthirsty rant? ''HOW could he have possibly known how to do this?'' [[MissingStepsPlan EXPLAIN MOVIE EXPLAIN.]]
*** Presumably, the legends/grimoires/whatever that tipped him off about the Cauldron ''did'' go into detail about it, its use and its history… the King couldn't know if the entire shebang could be trusted or not. "Possibly untrue" and "vague" are not necessarily the same thing.
** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed! Fortunately, the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Then again Eilonwy, Fflewddur and him were nearly killed in the explosion as well! Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (and protagonist)?
*** No one said the cancelling of the power would be instantaneous; the whole climax is the power that the Cauldron has expanded being reabsorbed back into itself. This isn't willing meddling by the spirit; it couldn't stop the "vacuum-cleaner" effect if it wanted to. That it ends up getting revenge on the King by absorbing him along with everything else is a lucky accident. As for the King foolishly standing around when he should be teleporting the heck outta here, [[VillainousBreakdown yes, the Horned King isn't exactly thinking clearly at this point]], if the [[RedEyesTakeWarning suddenly glowing red eyes]] (which previously indicated the King was ''very'' roused up about something earlier) and uselessly ordering the dead skeletons didn't clue you in. His master plan that he's been perfecting for centuries has suddenly gone wrong because of an idiotic pig boy, and ''he's not taking it well''.
*** Because he's mad. Intelligent, but mad. He doesn't just want to take over the world, he wants to [[AGodAmI rule over a world of the undead]]. He's not bloody ''interested'' in basic conquest. As to his "So it ''does'' exist!", my impression was that he'd started out pretty confident the Cauldron existed, but over the centuries of looking had begun to doubt.
** Why do the witches, having complete mastery and control over the given situation, decide not to turn Taran and present company into frogs, but suddenly decide to do a little spot of business with them instead?
*** If they want the SealedGoodInACan Sword so badly... then why not just take it by force? They clearly have the power.
*** I know it's confusing because "the Fair Folk" is something else entirely in that world, but the Witches have the role of TheFairFolk here, that is to say LawfulNeutral beings with BlueAndOrangeMorality. Much like a NobleDemon, they have no ethics at all, but [[DealWithTheDevil magical deals]] are serious business.
*** And how could they so be certain that after this convoluted scheme, they'll end up with both the Cauldron and the Sword? If the Horned King succeeds well, and Taran dies, well, nope. (This ends up biting them on the ass in the ending as Fflewddur demands they do a trade-back.)
*** No one said the Witches were the epitome of rationality, but anyway, they've got so many magical items that I think they were okay with ''gambling'' on the Cauldron/Sword thing. Also, they're ultimately based on the Fates, so [[WildMassGuessing maybe]] they've got some way of knowing how things will turn out…
*** Why would the protagonists presume the Cauldron can be destroyed? Like in the book? Was the ontological association between the corporeal and spiritual not made? Did all five of them not do their homework properly here? Or did Dallben [[PoorCommunicationKills do a terrible job at explaining what this thing even is?]]
* He ''did''. Dallben never meant for Taran to go around chasing the Cauldron: he was just meant to keep Hen Wen safe. The whole film is Taran blundering into this complicated magical war and more or less making things worse until he succeeds by a combination of good luck and his ''friends'' actually being heroic, unlike him. His story arc here is to realize he was never TheHero or TheChosenOne in the first place. So yes. Dallben didn't tell him anything because he didn't think he had any cause to, and Taran rushed in without thinking because he's a young, rash imbecile.
** Why can't the Cauldron be destroyed? It's a SoulJar and, like any, those tend to break. It's made of iron? Iron's melting point is 1,538 °C, and it certainly exceeded that in the ending. So why? Did the story not explain this fictional universe's rules between the corporeal and spiritual?
*** [[AWizardDidit The stuff holds the soul of an evil sorcerer]]. It's not a stretch to assume that if it can cause castle-destroying explosions, it can give itself NighInvulnerability too, much like [[Literature/HarryPotter certain other soul-jars from fantasy that we could name]].
*** In the books, at least, it's made ''thoroughly'' clear that the Black Cauldron can't be destroyed short of some long-arranged one way to destroy it. The heroes wear themselves out trying to break it with hammers and tools, and the Witches are finally, oh, ''that's'' what you wanted?
** How would the Witches even know that if a living being climbs into the Cauldron of their own free will, this would cripple its evil powers forever? Such a feat of the like has never happened before (along with actually using the Cauldron for its own dark design in the first place) ''so how could they possibly know this?''
*** Re: MagicAIsMagicA, and the Witches are clearly the most knowledgeable people in the setting about magic, so if anybody could know, ''they'' would know.
** How did the Horned King (who not long ago didn't even know if this ArtifactOfDoom existed or not) know how to unleash the demonic spirit's power? A skeleton (and a killed-off minion in the deleted scenes) combined with a bloodthirsty rant? ''HOW could he have possibly known how to do this?'' [[MissingStepsPlan EXPLAIN MOVIE EXPLAIN.]]
*** Presumably, the legends/grimoires/whatever that tipped him off about the Cauldron ''did'' go into detail about it, its use and its history… the King couldn't know if the entire shebang could be trusted or not. "Possibly untrue" and "vague" are not necessarily the same thing.
** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed! Fortunately, the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Then again Eilonwy, Fflewddur and him were nearly killed in the explosion as well! Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (and protagonist)?
*** No one said the cancelling of the power would be instantaneous; the whole climax is the power that the Cauldron has expanded being reabsorbed back into itself. This isn't willing meddling by the spirit; it couldn't stop the "vacuum-cleaner" effect if it wanted to. That it ends up getting revenge on the King by absorbing him along with everything else is a lucky accident. As for the King foolishly standing around when he should be teleporting the heck outta here, [[VillainousBreakdown yes, the Horned King isn't exactly thinking clearly at this point]], if the [[RedEyesTakeWarning suddenly glowing red eyes]] (which previously indicated the King was ''very'' roused up about something earlier) and uselessly ordering the dead skeletons didn't clue you in. His master plan that he's been perfecting for centuries has suddenly gone wrong because of an idiotic pig boy, and ''he's not taking it well''.
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* Why is the Horned King looking for something he doesn't even know with certainty exists or not? He's intelligent, so why isn't he concentrating his efforts on taking over the land? Why waste time and resources pursuing a dark fairy tale without a single shred of evidence of it being real?
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* Why do the witches, having complete mastery and control over the given situation, decide not to turn Taran and present company into frogs, but suddenly decide to do a little spot of business with them instead?
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* Why would the protagonists presume the Cauldron can be destroyed? Like in the book? Was the ontological association between the corporeal and spiritual not made? Did all five of them not do their homework properly here? Or did Dallben [[PoorCommunicationKills do a terrible job at explaining what this thing even is?]]
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* Why can't the Cauldron be destroyed? It's a SoulJar and, like any, those tend to break. It's made of iron? Iron's melting point is 1,538 °C, and it certainly exceeded that in the ending. So why? Did the story not explain this fictional universe's rules between the corporeal and spiritual?
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* How would the Witches even know that if a living being climbs into the Cauldron of their own free will, this would cripple its evil powers forever? Such a feat of the like has never happened before (along with actually using the Cauldron for its own dark design in the first place) ''so how could they possibly know this?''
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* How did the Horned King (who not long ago didn't even know if this ArtifactOfDoom existed or not) know how to unleash the demonic spirit's power? A skeleton (and a killed-off minion in the deleted scenes) combined with a bloodthirsty rant? ''HOW could he have possibly known how to do this?'' [[MissingStepsPlan EXPLAIN MOVIE EXPLAIN.]]
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* After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed! Fortunately, the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Then again Eilonwy, Fflewddur and him were nearly killed in the explosion as well! Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (and protagonist)?
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*** In the books, at least, it's made ''thoroughly'' clear that the Black Cauldron can't be destroyed short of some long-arranged one way to destroy it. The heroes wear themselves out trying to break it with hammers and tools, and the Witches are finally, oh, ''that's'' what you wanted?
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*** If you assume this is based on Myth/CelticMythology (''Literature/TheChroniclesOfPrydain'' are at least loosely based on Welsh mythology) then yes, the gods have a reason to fear a sorcerous overlord. Considering most of them ''are that''.[[note]]Granted, most surviving records were written by christians, but the barrier between "god", "spirit" and "deified human" are always blurry in polytheistic religions.[[/note]]
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**** The implication is that like the Horned King, the Overlord was a SorcerousOverlord who would have [[Literature/TheSilmarillion pulled a Sauron]] and returned from the dead if they'd just killed him. So yes, they built a better prison, one that would hold his ludicrously overpowered soul. ''They called it the Black Cauldron.''
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**** The Overlord's power is under control as long as the Cauldron is kept by the Witches of Morva and no one goes around dropping skeletons in it. Trapping the Overlord into the Cauldron strips him of his ''agency'' — he can only influence the physical world if he is magically summoned with the ritual.
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**** True, but they're not absurd presuppositions. If, as in the original novels, MagicAIsMagicA in that world, presumably the wizardly intelligentsia would ''know'' what would happen if you trapped an [[TheArchmage immensely powerful Dark Wizard]]'s soul into a physical object.
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*** Because he's mad. Intelligent, but mad. He doesn't just want to take over the world, he wants to [[AGodAmI rule over a world of the undead]]. He's not bloody ''interested'' in basic conquest. As to his "So it ''does'' exist!", my impression was that he'd started out pretty confident the Cauldron existed, but over the centuries of looking had begun to doubt.
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*** And how could they so be certain that after this convoluted scheme, they'll end up with both the Cauldron and the Sword? If the Horned King succeeds well, and Tarin dies, well, nope. (This ends up biting them on the ass in the ending as Fflewddur demands they do a trade-back.)
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**** I know it's confusing because "the Fair Folk" is something else entirely in that world, but the Witches have the role of TheFairFolk here, that is to say LawfulNeutral beings with BlueAndOrangeMorality. Much like a NobleDemon, they have no ethics at all, but [[DealWithTheDevil magical deals]] are serious business.
*** And how could they so be certain that after this convoluted scheme, they'll end up with both the Cauldron and the Sword? If the Horned King succeeds well, andTarin Taran dies, well, nope. (This ends up biting them on the ass in the ending as Fflewddur demands they do a trade-back.))
**** No one said the Witches were the epitome of rationality, but anyway, they've got so many magical items that I think they were okay with ''gambling'' on the Cauldron/Sword thing. Also, they're ultimately based on the Fates, so [[WildMassGuessing maybe]] they've got some way of knowing how things will turn out…
*** And how could they so be certain that after this convoluted scheme, they'll end up with both the Cauldron and the Sword? If the Horned King succeeds well, and
**** No one said the Witches were the epitome of rationality, but anyway, they've got so many magical items that I think they were okay with ''gambling'' on the Cauldron/Sword thing. Also, they're ultimately based on the Fates, so [[WildMassGuessing maybe]] they've got some way of knowing how things will turn out…
* He ''did''. Dallben never meant for Taran to go around chasing the Cauldron: he was just meant to keep Hen Wen safe. The whole film is Taran blundering into this complicated magical war and more or less making things worse until he succeeds by a combination of good luck and his ''friends'' actually being heroic, unlike him. His story arc here is to realize he was never TheHero or TheChosenOne in the first place. So yes. Dallben didn't tell him anything because he didn't think he had any cause to, and Taran rushed in without thinking because he's a young, rash imbecile.
*** [[AWizardDidit The stuff holds the soul of an evil sorcerer]]. It's not a stretch to assume that if it can cause castle-destroying explosions, it can give itself NighInvulnerability too, much like [[Literature/HarryPotter certain other soul-jars from fantasy that we could name]].
*** Re: MagicAIsMagicA, and the Witches are clearly the most knowledgeable people in the setting about magic, so if anybody could know, ''they'' would know.
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*** Presumably, the legends/grimoires/whatever that tipped him off about the Cauldron ''did'' go into detail about it, its use and its history… the King couldn't know if the entire shebang could be trusted or not. "Possibly untrue" and "vague" are not necessarily the same thing.
** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed! Fortunately, the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Then again Eilonwy, Fflewddur and him were nearly killed in the explosion as well! Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (andprotagonist)?protagonist)?
*** No one said the cancelling of the power would be instantaneous; the whole climax is the power that the Cauldron has expanded being reabsorbed back into itself. This isn't willing meddling by the spirit; it couldn't stop the "vacuum-cleaner" effect if it wanted to. That it ends up getting revenge on the King by absorbing him along with everything else is a lucky accident. As for the King foolishly standing around when he should be teleporting the heck outta here, [[VillainousBreakdown yes, the Horned King isn't exactly thinking clearly at this point]], if the [[RedEyesTakeWarning suddenly glowing red eyes]] (which previously indicated the King was ''very'' roused up about something earlier) and uselessly ordering the dead skeletons didn't clue you in. His master plan that he's been perfecting for centuries has suddenly gone wrong because of an idiotic pig boy, and ''he's not taking it well''.
** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed! Fortunately, the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Then again Eilonwy, Fflewddur and him were nearly killed in the explosion as well! Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (and
*** No one said the cancelling of the power would be instantaneous; the whole climax is the power that the Cauldron has expanded being reabsorbed back into itself. This isn't willing meddling by the spirit; it couldn't stop the "vacuum-cleaner" effect if it wanted to. That it ends up getting revenge on the King by absorbing him along with everything else is a lucky accident. As for the King foolishly standing around when he should be teleporting the heck outta here, [[VillainousBreakdown yes, the Horned King isn't exactly thinking clearly at this point]], if the [[RedEyesTakeWarning suddenly glowing red eyes]] (which previously indicated the King was ''very'' roused up about something earlier) and uselessly ordering the dead skeletons didn't clue you in. His master plan that he's been perfecting for centuries has suddenly gone wrong because of an idiotic pig boy, and ''he's not taking it well''.
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*** How does sealing an evil spirit into physical form, make the situation ''ten times worse'' for everyone else involved? You've deposed of the villain yet you haven't? Your solution is to make the king more powerful and dangerous than before?
*** Why would evil men search for it? How would they, or anybody know, unleashing its power would enable them to rule the world? There are a lot of presuppositions going on within the narrative here.
** Why is the Horned King looking for something he doesn't even know with certainty if it exists or not? He's intelligent, so why isn't he concentrating his efforts on taking over the land? Why waste time and resources pursuing a dark fairy tale without a single shred of evidence of it being real?
*** Why would evil men search for it? How would they, or anybody know, unleashing its power would enable them to rule the world? There are a lot of presuppositions going on within the narrative here.
** Why is the Horned King looking for something he doesn't even know with certainty if it exists or not? He's intelligent, so why isn't he concentrating his efforts on taking over the land? Why waste time and resources pursuing a dark fairy tale without a single shred of evidence of it being real?
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*** How does sealing an evil spirit into physical form, form make the situation ''ten times worse'' for everyone else involved? You've deposed disposed of the villain yet you haven't? Your solution is to make the king more powerful and dangerous than before?
*** Why would evil men search for it? How would they, oranybody know, anybody, know unleashing its power would enable them to rule the world? There are a lot of presuppositions going on within the narrative here.
** Why is the Horned King looking for something he doesn't even know with certaintyif it exists or not? He's intelligent, so why isn't he concentrating his efforts on taking over the land? Why waste time and resources pursuing a dark fairy tale without a single shred of evidence of it being real?
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*** And how could they so be certain that after this convoluted scheme, they'll end up with both the Cauldron and the Sword? If the Horned King succeeds well, and Tarin dies, well, nope. (This ends up biting them on the ass in the ending as Fflewddur demands they do a trade-back)
*** Why would the protagonists presume the Cauldron can be destroyed? Like in the Book? Was the ontological association between the corporeal and spiritual not made? Did all five of them not do their homework properly here? Or did Dallben [[PoorCommunicationKills do a terrible job at explaining what this thing even is?]]
** Why can't the Cauldron be destroyed? Its a SoulJar, and like any, those tend to break. It's made of Iron? Iron's melting point is 1,538 °C, and it certainly exceeded that in the ending. So why? Did the story not explain this fictional universes rules between the corporeal and spiritual?
** How would the Witches even know that if a living being climbs into the Cauldron of their own free will this would cripple its evil powers forever? Such a feat of the like has never happened before (along with actually using the Cauldron for its own dark design in the first place) ''so how could they possibly know this?''
** How did the Horned King (who not long ago didn't even know this ArtifactOfDoom existed or not) know how to unleash the demonic spirits power? A skeleton (and a killed off minion in the deleted scenes) combined with a blood-thirsty rant? ''HOW could he have possibly known how to do this?'' [[MissingStepsPlan EXPLAIN MOVIE EXPLAIN.]]
** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed! Fortunately the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Then again Eilonwy, Fflewddur and him were nearly killed in the explosion as well! Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who know seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (and protagonist)?
*** Why would the protagonists presume the Cauldron can be destroyed? Like in the Book? Was the ontological association between the corporeal and spiritual not made? Did all five of them not do their homework properly here? Or did Dallben [[PoorCommunicationKills do a terrible job at explaining what this thing even is?]]
** Why can't the Cauldron be destroyed? Its a SoulJar, and like any, those tend to break. It's made of Iron? Iron's melting point is 1,538 °C, and it certainly exceeded that in the ending. So why? Did the story not explain this fictional universes rules between the corporeal and spiritual?
** How would the Witches even know that if a living being climbs into the Cauldron of their own free will this would cripple its evil powers forever? Such a feat of the like has never happened before (along with actually using the Cauldron for its own dark design in the first place) ''so how could they possibly know this?''
** How did the Horned King (who not long ago didn't even know this ArtifactOfDoom existed or not) know how to unleash the demonic spirits power? A skeleton (and a killed off minion in the deleted scenes) combined with a blood-thirsty rant? ''HOW could he have possibly known how to do this?'' [[MissingStepsPlan EXPLAIN MOVIE EXPLAIN.]]
** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed! Fortunately the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Then again Eilonwy, Fflewddur and him were nearly killed in the explosion as well! Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who know seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (and protagonist)?
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*** And how could they so be certain that after this convoluted scheme, they'll end up with both the Cauldron and the Sword? If the Horned King succeeds well, and Tarin dies, well, nope. (This ends up biting them on the ass in the ending as Fflewddur demands they do a trade-back)
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*** Why would the protagonists presume the Cauldron can be destroyed? Like in theBook? book? Was the ontological association between the corporeal and spiritual not made? Did all five of them not do their homework properly here? Or did Dallben [[PoorCommunicationKills do a terrible job at explaining what this thing even is?]]
** Why can't the Cauldron be destroyed?Its It's a SoulJar, and SoulJar and, like any, those tend to break. It's made of Iron? iron? Iron's melting point is 1,538 °C, and it certainly exceeded that in the ending. So why? Did the story not explain this fictional universes universe's rules between the corporeal and spiritual?
** How would the Witches even know that if a living being climbs into the Cauldron of their own freewill will, this would cripple its evil powers forever? Such a feat of the like has never happened before (along with actually using the Cauldron for its own dark design in the first place) ''so how could they possibly know this?''
** How did the Horned King (who not long ago didn't even know if this ArtifactOfDoom existed or not) know how to unleash the demonicspirits spirit's power? A skeleton (and a killed off killed-off minion in the deleted scenes) combined with a blood-thirsty bloodthirsty rant? ''HOW could he have possibly known how to do this?'' [[MissingStepsPlan EXPLAIN MOVIE EXPLAIN.]]
** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed!Fortunately Fortunately, the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Then again Eilonwy, Fflewddur and him were nearly killed in the explosion as well! Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who know seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (and protagonist)?
*** Why would the protagonists presume the Cauldron can be destroyed? Like in the
** Why can't the Cauldron be destroyed?
** How would the Witches even know that if a living being climbs into the Cauldron of their own free
** How did the Horned King (who not long ago didn't even know if this ArtifactOfDoom existed or not) know how to unleash the demonic
** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed!
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** Why can't the Cauldron be destroyed? Its a SoulJar, and like any, those tend to break. Its made of Iron? Iron's melting point is 1,538 °C, and it certainly exceeded that in the ending. So why? Did the story not explain this fictional universes rules between the corporeal and spiritual?
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** Why can't the Cauldron be destroyed? Its a SoulJar, and like any, those tend to break. Its It's made of Iron? Iron's melting point is 1,538 °C, and it certainly exceeded that in the ending. So why? Did the story not explain this fictional universes rules between the corporeal and spiritual?
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** How did the Horned King (who not long ago didn't even know this ArtifactOfDoom existed or not) know how to unleash the demonic spirits power? A skeleton (and a killed off minion in the deleted scenes) combined with a blood-thirsty rant? ''HOW could he possibly known how to do this?'' [[MissingStepsPlan EXPLAIN MOVIE EXPLAIN.]]
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** How did the Horned King (who not long ago didn't even know this ArtifactOfDoom existed or not) know how to unleash the demonic spirits power? A skeleton (and a killed off minion in the deleted scenes) combined with a blood-thirsty rant? ''HOW could he have possibly known how to do this?'' [[MissingStepsPlan EXPLAIN MOVIE EXPLAIN.]]
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*** And how could they so be certain that after this convoluted scheme, they'll end up with both the Cauldron and the Sword? If the Horned King succeeds well, and Tarin dies, well, nope.
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*** And how could they so be certain that after this convoluted scheme, they'll end up with both the Cauldron and the Sword? If the Horned King succeeds well, and Tarin dies, well, nope. (This ends up biting them on the ass in the ending as Fflewddur demands they do a trade-back)
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** Why is the Horned King looking for something he doesn't even know with certainty if it exists or not? He's intelligent, so why isn't he concentrating his efforts on taking over the land? Why waste time and resources pursing a dark fairy tale without a single shred of evidence of it being real?
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** Why is the Horned King looking for something he doesn't even know with certainty if it exists or not? He's intelligent, so why isn't he concentrating his efforts on taking over the land? Why waste time and resources pursing pursuing a dark fairy tale without a single shred of evidence of it being real?
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** How did the Horned King (who not long ago didn't even know this ArtifactOfDoom existed or not) know how to unleash the demonic spirits power? A skeleton (and a killed off minion in the deleted scenes) combined with a blood-thirsty rant? ''how could he possibly know this?'' EXPLAIN MOVIE EXPLAIN.
** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed! Fortunately the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who know seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (and protagonist)?
** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed! Fortunately the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who know seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (and protagonist)?
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** How did the Horned King (who not long ago didn't even know this ArtifactOfDoom existed or not) know how to unleash the demonic spirits power? A skeleton (and a killed off minion in the deleted scenes) combined with a blood-thirsty rant? ''how ''HOW could he possibly know known how to do this?'' [[MissingStepsPlan EXPLAIN MOVIE EXPLAIN.
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** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed! Fortunately the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Then again Eilonwy, Fflewddur and him were nearly killed in the explosion as well! Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who know seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (and protagonist)?
** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed! Fortunately the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Then again Eilonwy, Fflewddur and him were nearly killed in the explosion as well! Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who know seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (and protagonist)?
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** Why do the witches, having complete mastery and control over the given situation, decide not to turn Tarin and present company into frogs, but suddenly decide to do a little spot of business with them instead?
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** Why do the witches, having complete mastery and control over the given situation, decide not to turn Tarin Taran and present company into frogs, but suddenly decide to do a little spot of business with them instead?
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*** Why would the protagonists presume the Cauldron can be destroyed? Like in the Book? Was the ontological association between the corporeal and spiritual not made? Did all five of them not do their homework properly here? Or did Dallben [[PoorCommunicationKills do a terrible job at explaining what this thing even is?]]
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*** Why would the protagonists presume the Cauldron can be destroyed? Like in the Book? Was the ontological association between the corporeal and spiritual not made? Did all five of them not do their homework properly here? Or did Dallben [[PoorCommunicationKills do a terrible job at explaining what this thing even is?]]is?]]
** Why can't the Cauldron be destroyed? Its a SoulJar, and like any, those tend to break. Its made of Iron? Iron's melting point is 1,538 °C, and it certainly exceeded that in the ending. So why? Did the story not explain this fictional universes rules between the corporeal and spiritual?
** How would the Witches even know that if a living being climbs into the Cauldron of their own free will this would cripple its evil powers forever? Such a feat of the like has never happened before (along with actually using the Cauldron for its own dark design in the first place) ''so how could they possibly know this?''
** How did the Horned King (who not long ago didn't even know this ArtifactOfDoom existed or not) know how to unleash the demonic spirits power? A skeleton (and a killed off minion in the deleted scenes) combined with a blood-thirsty rant? ''how could he possibly know this?'' EXPLAIN MOVIE EXPLAIN.
** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed! Fortunately the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who know seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (and protagonist)?
** Why can't the Cauldron be destroyed? Its a SoulJar, and like any, those tend to break. Its made of Iron? Iron's melting point is 1,538 °C, and it certainly exceeded that in the ending. So why? Did the story not explain this fictional universes rules between the corporeal and spiritual?
** How would the Witches even know that if a living being climbs into the Cauldron of their own free will this would cripple its evil powers forever? Such a feat of the like has never happened before (along with actually using the Cauldron for its own dark design in the first place) ''so how could they possibly know this?''
** How did the Horned King (who not long ago didn't even know this ArtifactOfDoom existed or not) know how to unleash the demonic spirits power? A skeleton (and a killed off minion in the deleted scenes) combined with a blood-thirsty rant? ''how could he possibly know this?'' EXPLAIN MOVIE EXPLAIN.
** After Gurgi sacrifices himself to stop the Cauldron... HOW is the evil spirit still performing its evil deeds long after that? Taran could have easily been killed! Fortunately the lesser BigBad ends up disposing of himself. Was this a bad case of WrapItUp? Given that the Horned King is powerful enough to teleport outta there? Yet he's the only one who know seems to know what the hell is going on given his lines of dialogue, so why is none of this explained for the viewer (and protagonist)?
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** First of all, the decision to re-write the titular ArtifactOfDoom not as the witch's weapon, but rather an indestructible SoulJar creates all sorts of problems. The opening prologue, in its attempt to be nothing but ominous, EXPLAINS NOTHING. How can a single king of mortals be so cruel and evil that even the gods fear him? In the grand cosmic scheme of things, deities are far beyond and removed from the main characters or their plight.
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** First of all, the decision to re-write the titular ArtifactOfDoom not as the witch's weapon, but rather an indestructible SoulJar creates all sorts of problems. The opening prologue, in its attempt to be nothing but ominous, EXPLAINS NOTHING. How can a single king of mortals be so cruel and evil that even the gods fear him? In His own subjects, sure. But in the grand cosmic scheme of things, deities are far beyond and removed from the main story, characters or their plight.plight anyway.
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*** How does sealing an evil spirit into physical form, make the situation ''ten times worse'' for everyone else involved? You've deposed of the villain yet you haven't? Your solution is to make the king more powerful and dangerous than before?
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*** How does sealing an evil spirit into physical form, make the situation ''ten times worse'' for everyone else involved? You've deposed of the villain yet you haven't? Your solution is to make the king more powerful and dangerous than before?before?
*** Why would evil men search for it? How would they, or anybody know, unleashing its power would enable them to rule the world? There are a lot of presuppositions going on within the narrative here.
** Why is the Horned King looking for something he doesn't even know with certainty if it exists or not? He's intelligent, so why isn't he concentrating his efforts on taking over the land? Why waste time and resources pursing a dark fairy tale without a single shred of evidence of it being real?
** Why do the witches, having complete mastery and control over the given situation, decide not to turn Tarin and present company into frogs, but suddenly decide to do a little spot of business with them instead?
*** If they want the SealedGoodInACan Sword so badly... then why not just take it by force? They clearly have the power.
*** And how could they so be certain that after this convoluted scheme, they'll end up with both the Cauldron and the Sword? If the Horned King succeeds well, and Tarin dies, well, nope.
*** Why would the protagonists presume the Cauldron can be destroyed? Like in the Book? Was the ontological association between the corporeal and spiritual not made? Did all five of them not do their homework properly here? Or did Dallben [[PoorCommunicationKills do a terrible job at explaining what this thing even is?]]
*** Why would evil men search for it? How would they, or anybody know, unleashing its power would enable them to rule the world? There are a lot of presuppositions going on within the narrative here.
** Why is the Horned King looking for something he doesn't even know with certainty if it exists or not? He's intelligent, so why isn't he concentrating his efforts on taking over the land? Why waste time and resources pursing a dark fairy tale without a single shred of evidence of it being real?
** Why do the witches, having complete mastery and control over the given situation, decide not to turn Tarin and present company into frogs, but suddenly decide to do a little spot of business with them instead?
*** If they want the SealedGoodInACan Sword so badly... then why not just take it by force? They clearly have the power.
*** And how could they so be certain that after this convoluted scheme, they'll end up with both the Cauldron and the Sword? If the Horned King succeeds well, and Tarin dies, well, nope.
*** Why would the protagonists presume the Cauldron can be destroyed? Like in the Book? Was the ontological association between the corporeal and spiritual not made? Did all five of them not do their homework properly here? Or did Dallben [[PoorCommunicationKills do a terrible job at explaining what this thing even is?]]
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* {{[[WesternAnimation/QuestForCamelot}} QuestForCamelot]] gets a lot of flak from critics and the online community for its unwillingness to explain magical nonsense, ''but wow'', Black Cauldron is an ExecutiveMeddling mess in this regard.
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* {{[[WesternAnimation/QuestForCamelot}} [[{{WesternAnimation/QuestForCamelot}} QuestForCamelot]] gets a lot of flak from critics and the online community for its unwillingness to explain magical nonsense, ''but wow'', Black Cauldron is an ExecutiveMeddling mess in this regard.
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* {{[[WesternAnimation/QuestForCamelot}} QuestForCamelot]] gets a lot of flak from critics and the online community for its unwillingness to explain magical nonsense, ''but wow'', Black Cauldron is an ExecutiveMeddling mess in this regard.
** First of all, the decision to re-write the titular ArtifactOfDoom not as the witch's weapon, but rather an indestructible SoulJar creates all sorts of problems. The opening prologue, in its attempt to be nothing but ominous, EXPLAINS NOTHING. How can a single king of mortals be so cruel and evil that even the gods fear him? In the grand cosmic scheme of things, deities are far beyond and removed from the main characters or their plight.
*** If the evil king could not be imprisoned in the current prisons available, then why not build a better prison? Or you know, [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim just execute him and be done with the tyrant?]]
*** How does sealing an evil spirit into physical form, make the situation ''ten times worse'' for everyone else involved? You've deposed of the villain yet you haven't? Your solution is to make the king more powerful and dangerous than before?
** First of all, the decision to re-write the titular ArtifactOfDoom not as the witch's weapon, but rather an indestructible SoulJar creates all sorts of problems. The opening prologue, in its attempt to be nothing but ominous, EXPLAINS NOTHING. How can a single king of mortals be so cruel and evil that even the gods fear him? In the grand cosmic scheme of things, deities are far beyond and removed from the main characters or their plight.
*** If the evil king could not be imprisoned in the current prisons available, then why not build a better prison? Or you know, [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim just execute him and be done with the tyrant?]]
*** How does sealing an evil spirit into physical form, make the situation ''ten times worse'' for everyone else involved? You've deposed of the villain yet you haven't? Your solution is to make the king more powerful and dangerous than before?
