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*** The workaholic dad angle seems the most likely one at the moment. Mr. [=McCall=] is a jerk, but most of his actions make perfect sense, though. It's been clear that Stiles' dad was in the hot seat for a while, because of increased murders and the fact that Stiles and Scott are appearing at these crime scenes. His interaction wit Stiles was a bit jerky, Stiles was hardly innocent I the conversation and was snarky as well. Asking Stiles if his dad had been drinking more heavily was valid question since FBI specifically sent him there to evaluate if Stiles' dad and find out why there is such an increase in murders and no arrests. Plus there was the fact the police station got taken over by Matt (I'm not sure how the Sherriff explained that one without any knowledge of the kanima and Argents). Without knowing the supernatural stuff Stiles' dad looks horribly ineffective. It's a bit clear that the FBI is aware of Scott and Stiles always showing up on crime scenes, which no matter how you look at it is odd and would warrant some questioning, especially since they couldn't find Stiles' dad who appeared to have disappeared off the face of the Earth. We saw that Scott blaming his dad for trying to get Stiles' dad fired, but the show itself presented that is misplaced blame. It's entirely possible that Scott and Melissa's dislike of Mr. [=McCall=] is because they blame him for their family falling apart rather him being abusive. How entirely founded is it that Mr. [=McCall's=] fault is a question. I like Melissa, but she could be a biased opinion on their marriage. It could easily be both [=McCalls=] fault for why their marriage failed.
** It's very unlikely that it was "simply not liking your ex" thing with the [=McCalls=]. Melissa's conversation with him as he was 'dying' after the Ongi attack referenced to some drunken occasion - to which she replies with something that makes it clear that he was something of an alcoholic - which also makes him an hypocrite for calling Stiles' on his father's drinking.

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*** The workaholic dad angle seems the most likely one at the moment. Mr. [=McCall=] is a jerk, but most of his actions make perfect sense, though. It's been clear that Stiles' dad was in the hot seat for a while, because of increased murders and the fact that Stiles and Scott are appearing at these crime scenes. His interaction wit with Stiles was a bit jerky, jerky; Stiles was hardly innocent I the conversation and was snarky as well. Asking Stiles if his dad had been drinking more heavily was valid question since FBI specifically sent him there to evaluate if Stiles' dad and find out why there is such an increase in murders and no arrests. Plus Plus, there was the fact the police station got taken over by Matt (I'm not sure how the Sherriff explained that one without any knowledge of the kanima and Argents). Without knowing the supernatural stuff Stiles' dad looks horribly ineffective. It's a bit clear that the FBI is aware of Scott and Stiles always showing up on crime scenes, which no matter how you look at it is odd and would warrant some questioning, especially since they couldn't find Stiles' dad who appeared to have disappeared off the face of the Earth. We saw that Scott blaming his dad for trying to get Stiles' dad fired, but the show itself presented that is misplaced blame. It's entirely possible that Scott and Melissa's dislike of Mr. [=McCall=] is because they blame him for their family falling apart rather him being abusive. How entirely founded is it that Mr. [=McCall's=] fault is a question. I like Melissa, but she could be a biased opinion on their marriage. It could easily be both [=McCalls=] fault for why their marriage failed.
** It's very unlikely that it was "simply not liking your ex" thing with the [=McCalls=]. Melissa's conversation with him as he was 'dying' after the Ongi attack referenced to some drunken occasion - to which she replies with something that makes it clear that he was something of an alcoholic - which also makes him an a hypocrite for calling Stiles' on his father's drinking.



** I think part of the problem here is actually pretty simple. You have super-human reflexes, speed, strength, senses, and even healing. Yeah, like some piss-ant little human with ''none'' of that is really that much of a threat to you. They're so caught up in the fact that they're one of the biggest badasses of the supernatural world, they forget that they're not actually invulnerable. Werewolves don't think about using weapons and surveillance and traps because, in the end, if you can rip your enemies apart, barehanded, and can smell them coming from 15 miles away, why would you need any of that? This is where humanity shines. They don't have natural defenses like fangs and claws and superpowers; humans have spent their entire existence knowing how vulnerable they are and learning how to kill shit a lot more badass than them. Essentially, humans are the CombatPragmatist in a WorldofBadass. Werewolves are, well, '''not'''. It basically comes down to pride coming back to [[IncrediblyLamePun bite them]] in the ass.

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** I think part of the problem here is actually pretty simple. You have super-human reflexes, speed, strength, senses, and even healing. Yeah, like some piss-ant little human with ''none'' of that is really that much of a threat to you. They're so caught up in the fact that they're one of the biggest badasses of the supernatural world, they forget that they're not actually invulnerable. Werewolves don't think about using weapons and surveillance and traps because, in the end, if you can rip your enemies apart, barehanded, and can smell them coming from 15 miles away, why would you need any of that? This is where humanity shines. They don't have natural defenses like fangs and claws and superpowers; humans have spent their entire existence knowing how vulnerable they are and learning how to kill shit a lot more badass than them. Essentially, humans are the CombatPragmatist in a WorldofBadass. Werewolves are, well, '''not'''. It basically comes down to pride coming back to [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} bite them]] in the ass.
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** I think the lack of other friends is probably a combination of CoolLoser / LimitedSocialCircle trope and that possibily Stiles and Scott ''did'' have casual, acquaintance level friends at the beginning of the series but drifted away from them as they got immersed in the supernatural world. If pre-show they were friendly with a larger circle of people but only really close with each other, it makes sense they didn't confide chatting-casually-in-the-hall friends about the werewolves and then got too busy to socialize properly. For all we know, The Girl and other students could have had their own conversations wondering why Scott and Stiles are so weird and distant. The writers have had Scott and Stiles hugely attached to each other from the beginning so them being happy in just each other's company and not wanting anyone else around is at least viable.

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** I think the lack of other friends is probably a combination of CoolLoser / LimitedSocialCircle trope and that possibily Stiles and Scott ''did'' have casual, acquaintance level friends at the beginning of the series but drifted away from them as they got immersed in the supernatural world. If pre-show they were friendly with a larger circle of people but only really close with each other, it makes sense they didn't confide chatting-casually-in-the-hall friends about the werewolves and then got too busy to socialize properly. For all we know, The Girl and other students could have had their own conversations wondering why Scott and Stiles are so weird and distant. The writers have had Scott and Stiles hugely attached to each other from the beginning so them being happy in just each other's company and not wanting anyone else around is at least viable.
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** Some high school Aquatics classes have a [[AluminumChristmasTrees water basketball unit]].
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** This is by no means canon, but at the convention I went to, JR Bourne said that he believed Victoria and Chris were both from strong hunter families, and the marriage wasn't so much a love match as it was a merger/sustaining the family line. In other words, it was consensual but inspired more by their mutual belief in the importance of hunting, than it was a romance. However, they did come to genuinely care about each other, in his opinion. This is supported by Victoria's relative dominance in the family given that the daughters are raised to be leaders.

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** This is by no means canon, but at the convention I went to, JR Bourne Creator/JRBourne said that he believed Victoria and Chris were both from strong hunter families, and the marriage wasn't so much a love match as it was a merger/sustaining the family line. In other words, it was consensual but inspired more by their mutual belief in the importance of hunting, than it was a romance. However, they did come to genuinely care about each other, in his opinion. This is supported by Victoria's relative dominance in the family given that the daughters are raised to be leaders.
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*Actually there is no evidence in the show that stiles did not know about Scott's plan in regards to Gerard, with the mountain ash. There was just no reason for the show to give us a scene where Scott told Stiles about it, since it's basic assumption that Scott tells Stiles pretty much everything. It's more a Stiles thing to hold back information from Scott, like when he hid from Scott that he already knew how to find Derek in formality. He just hid it from Scott, in what he believed to be for Scott's own good. (aka he didn't want Scott to risk his life to save Derek). We know he knew, since Peter forced it out of him in Code Breaker, he just threw Derek under the bus.
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*** Some of that is just budget. Rigging to safely do a "Derek Hits Kate With Couch" stunt could easily send a small cable TV show (which already makes heavy use of stunts, makeup, practical and CGI effects, etc.) farther overbudget than a network would be comfortable with. If you want, you can blame it on how werewolves might be trained to fight. . . a big heavy object isn't going to be much of a threat to a creature as fast and powerful as a werewolf, so throwing one isn't going to benefit in a fight where you'd need to throw one. Against a pitiful human, claws and fists work well enough most of the time (and packs like the Hales aren't supposed to be fighting regular humans often, anyway, they're supposed to protect them from the bigger, badder things out there). As for guns themselves, it's been pointed out that guns require a lot of time and practice to use effectively, and werewolves are already devoting a lot of time and practice to keeping their shapeshifting in check, they don't have much to spare for learning marksmanship, and what they do have is probably better spent honing the fighting styles that compliment their natural abilities, or else actually living out in the world and doing regular-type things. Guns also come with a whole mess of legal and financial complications that a werewolf's built-in claws and fangs do not. Basically, even when facing Hunters, it's better for the werewolves to be as good at their game as possible, not to try and beat the Hunters at their own game.
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** There's also the point that their relentless antagonism that they never really act on can easily be read as BelligerentSexualTension and SlapSlapKiss.
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** What makes the hunters dangerous is not just their ranged weapons, it's the fact they can track and trap werewolves easily. Similar to the above situation, a werewolf with a gun is just as good as a werewolf without one, one wire trap or sound-spike and they're basically at the Hunter's mercy, and with wolfsbane bullets it's even easier. Why werewolves don't use guns is probably similar to any 'magical' series, you don't use the weapons of the people who hunt and murder you, and their belief in tradition and their isolation makes them pretty difficult to change, like Wizards in ''HarryPotter''.
*** Those are all just ''skills'' and technology, not special powers unique to normal humans. For example, there are real-world electrical, sonic, and chemical weapons that are quite effective at incapacitating or killing humans. Likewise, things like wire traps have been used successfully on humans throughout history. The logical gap here (and it is the same gap as in ''HarryPotter'') is that not all werewolves are born into werewolf families. Many are humans who were bitten and changed. By rights, they should not ''all'' have a cultural block against the use of weapons and/or tactics besides just jumping in and waving their claws around. It has always been the same as with many vampire stories. Sure, driving a stake through a vampire's heart might kill them, and is thus considered a "weakness". But it would also ''definitely'' kill a human! As will a wolfsbane-filled bullet, as Aconitine is in fact extremely lethal to most animals, humans included. This troper has lost track of the number of times a human or werewolf sniper on a rooftop could have slaughtered Chris Argent and his hunters easily. Or heck, just shot them right through the windows of their own house! For all that Chris is a "highly-respected private security consultant", he obviously isn't ''that'' good. Agent [=McCall=] had no trouble getting into his apartment and accessing his weapon's cache. You would have thought that with the Alpha Pack living one floor above that a "highly-respected private security consultant"/werewolf hunter would have a harder to access home!

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** What makes the hunters dangerous is not just their ranged weapons, it's the fact they can track and trap werewolves easily. Similar to the above situation, a werewolf with a gun is just as good as a werewolf without one, one wire trap or sound-spike and they're basically at the Hunter's mercy, and with wolfsbane bullets it's even easier. Why werewolves don't use guns is probably similar to any 'magical' series, you don't use the weapons of the people who hunt and murder you, and their belief in tradition and their isolation makes them pretty difficult to change, like Wizards in ''HarryPotter''.
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*** Those are all just ''skills'' and technology, not special powers unique to normal humans. For example, there are real-world electrical, sonic, and chemical weapons that are quite effective at incapacitating or killing humans. Likewise, things like wire traps have been used successfully on humans throughout history. The logical gap here (and it is the same gap as in ''HarryPotter'') ''Franchise/HarryPotter'') is that not all werewolves are born into werewolf families. Many are humans who were bitten and changed. By rights, they should not ''all'' have a cultural block against the use of weapons and/or tactics besides just jumping in and waving their claws around. It has always been the same as with many vampire stories. Sure, driving a stake through a vampire's heart might kill them, and is thus considered a "weakness". But it would also ''definitely'' kill a human! As will a wolfsbane-filled bullet, as Aconitine is in fact extremely lethal to most animals, humans included. This troper has lost track of the number of times a human or werewolf sniper on a rooftop could have slaughtered Chris Argent and his hunters easily. Or heck, just shot them right through the windows of their own house! For all that Chris is a "highly-respected private security consultant", he obviously isn't ''that'' good. Agent [=McCall=] had no trouble getting into his apartment and accessing his weapon's cache. You would have thought that with the Alpha Pack living one floor above that a "highly-respected private security consultant"/werewolf hunter would have a harder to access home!
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** Gerard beat up Stiles in the season finale, by which time Scott had already been planning his BatmanGambit for a while. It's also entirely possible that he didn't know that Gerard had cancer, because, let's face it, Scott was not a good friend for the first couple of seasons at all. Scott biting him would've done nothing, since Scott was still a Beta and didn't have the power to turn him, and Stiles would certainly (had he known) not have suggested Derek to perform the task, given Stiles' extremely antagonistic attitude toward him at that point.

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** Gerard beat up Stiles in the season finale, by which time Scott had already been planning his BatmanGambit for a while. It's also entirely possible that he didn't know that Gerard had cancer, because, let's face it, because Scott was not a good friend for the first couple of seasons at all.seasons. Scott biting him would've done nothing, since Scott was still a Beta and didn't have the power to turn him, and Stiles would certainly (had he known) not have suggested Derek to perform the task, given Stiles' extremely antagonistic attitude toward him at that point. Plus, the bite was intended to kill Gerard; he just managed to survive as he almost always does.
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** Gerard beat up Stiles in the season finale, by which time Scott had already been planning his BatmanGambit for a while. It's also entirely possible that he didn't know that Gerard had cancer, because, let's face it, Scott was not a good friend for the first couple of seasons at all. Scott biting him would've done nothing, since Scott was still a Beta and didn't have the power to turn him, and Stiles would certainly (had he known) not have suggested Derek to perform the task, given Stiles' extremely antagonistic attitude toward him at that point.
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** Confirmed in canon facts; Scott lived with his dad at some point, Melissa thought they were better off without him. Later revealed that the reason she kicked him out was him accidentally shoving Scott down the stairs while heavily inebriated. However, she and Scott's main grudge with him seems to be that he left. "I told a drunk to get out of the house. I didn't tell a father to get out of his son's life." It's also later revealed that he and Stiles begrudge each other because of Melissa's call to Stiles's dad after Mr McCall pushed Scott down the stairs, which Stiles overheard. This accounts for Stiles's dislike of Mr McCall; Mr McCall's dislike of Stiles likely spawns mostly from SStiles's naturally antagonistic attitude and Mr McCall's dislike of the Sheriff

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** Confirmed in canon facts; Scott lived with his dad at some point, Melissa thought they were better off without him. Later revealed that the reason she kicked him out was him accidentally shoving Scott down the stairs while heavily inebriated. However, she and Scott's main grudge with him seems to be that he left. "I told a drunk to get out of the house. I didn't tell a father to get out of his son's life." It's also later revealed that he and Stiles begrudge each other because of Melissa's call to Stiles's dad after Mr McCall [=McCall=] pushed Scott down the stairs, which Stiles overheard. This accounts for Stiles's dislike of Mr McCall; [=McCall;=] Mr McCall's [=McCall's=] dislike of Stiles likely spawns mostly from SStiles's Stiles's naturally antagonistic attitude and Mr McCall's [=McCall's=] dislike of the Sheriff
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** Confirmed in canon facts; Scott lived with his dad at some point, Melissa thought they were better off without him. Later revealed that the reason she kicked him out was him accidentally shoving Scott down the stairs while heavily inebriated. However, she and Scott's main grudge with him seems to be that he left. "I told a drunk to get out of the house. I didn't tell a father to get out of his son's life." It's also later revealed that he and Stiles begrudge each other because of Melissa's call to Stiles's dad after Mr McCall pushed Scott down the stairs, which Stiles overheard.

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** Confirmed in canon facts; Scott lived with his dad at some point, Melissa thought they were better off without him. Later revealed that the reason she kicked him out was him accidentally shoving Scott down the stairs while heavily inebriated. However, she and Scott's main grudge with him seems to be that he left. "I told a drunk to get out of the house. I didn't tell a father to get out of his son's life." It's also later revealed that he and Stiles begrudge each other because of Melissa's call to Stiles's dad after Mr McCall pushed Scott down the stairs, which Stiles overheard. \n This accounts for Stiles's dislike of Mr McCall; Mr McCall's dislike of Stiles likely spawns mostly from SStiles's naturally antagonistic attitude and Mr McCall's dislike of the Sheriff
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** Confirmed in canon facts; Scott lived with his dad at some point, Melissa thought they were better off without him. Later revealed that the reason she kicked him out was him accidentally shoving Scott down the stairs while heavily inebriated. However, she and Scott's main grudge with him seems to be that he left. "I told a drunk to get out of the house. I didn't tell a father to get out of his son's life." It's also later revealed that he and Stiles begrudge each other because of Melissa's call to Stiles's dad after Mr McCall pushed Scott down the stairs, which Stiles overheard.

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