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*** That's not possible -- everyone has some kind of accent. Wherever she originally learned English, that will be the biggest influence on her accent.
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** I'm sure that, if they had been on the mundane side of the wall, then they would have flown 1,000 light years out into space, converted themselves to hydrogen, and expanded their masses by forty orders of magnitude. But they're on the fantasy side of the wall; they're standing on the inside of the celestial sphere, within easy walking distance of each other. After all, the first time they used the Babylon Candle they were both thinking of their own home, so the Candle took them to a point halfway between their homes, and that point was in the clouds rather than 500 light years from Earth.
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** And going by the movie's logic, Tristan and Yvaine first use the Babylon Candle together and get transported to the same place side by side. They do so at the end, so they would have to be in the sky together.


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** Well don't the stars watch Earth and listen in? They're obviously able to hear what happens on Earth, since the other stars warn Tristan about the witches being after Yvaine. In real life, accents and speech patterns are influenced by our surroundings. The world itself appears to be a FantasyCounterpartCulture of England (although Captain Shakespeare's 'noo yawk' accent muddies things a bit) so Yvaine could have developed her accent from listening there. The other stars warning Tristan have English accents too, so possibly she developed it from them as well.


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** Doesn't he demonstrate sewing at one point of that makeover sequence? He may have altered Yvaine's clothes by hand.
** And this is a magic world. Perhaps he owned corsets that could magically adjust themselves to the wearer's body.

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** If the star Yvaine was an astronomical distance away, it would've taken at least years for the stone to reach her, since it clearly didn't travel faster than light, and it would not have been able to knock her down to earth either. So it's pretty safe to assume that our physics don't apply to stars on the other side of the wall.

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** If the star Yvaine was an astronomical distance away, it would've taken at least years for the stone to reach her, since it clearly didn't travel faster than light, and it would not have been able to knock her down to earth either. So it's pretty safe to assume that our physics don't apply to stars on the other side of the wall.wall, even if you ignore all the "they're not balls of gas but sentient people" stuff.
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** If the star Yvaine was an astronomical distance away, it would've taken at least years for the stone to reach her, since it clearly didn't travel faster than light, and it would not have been able to knock her down to earth eiter. So it's pretty safe to assume that our physics don't apply to stars on the other side of the wall.

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** If the star Yvaine was an astronomical distance away, it would've taken at least years for the stone to reach her, since it clearly didn't travel faster than light, and it would not have been able to knock her down to earth eiter.either. So it's pretty safe to assume that our physics don't apply to stars on the other side of the wall.
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** If the star Yvaine was an astronomical distance away, it would've taken at least years for the stone to reach her, since it clearly didn't travel faster than light, and it would not have been able to knock her down to earth eiter. So it's pretty safe to assume that our physics don't apply to stars on the other side of the wall.
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** It seems to be a weird memento type thing, Yvaine doesn't heal her leg because that's how she met Tristran and Tristran doesn't get his hand healed as it's a reminder of how he first saved her life.
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* Perhaps he was a very slim man when younger, as he mentioned, he can't bear to throw anything away, also given his love of theatrics, he may be an accomplished tailor, it's not like he could walk into a tailor with a frilly gown and ask them to do so, he has a reputation to uphold.
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*** Still a misconception, Arteries aren't actually blue, it's just because they are deeper under the skin, light passes through the skin and is filtered, the blue of the spectrum is the only color that penetrates deep enough to be reflected back visually.
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* In a land full of magic, was there really no possibility to cure Tristran's burnt hand and Yvaine's limp with a magical spell or something?
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** Possibly the king ''aimed'' it at the star, to spice up the race, and possibly add an extra incentive. He wanted the most devious, cunning son to take the throne, but looking for a particular rock is kind of boring as quests go, unless that rock is attached to something that everyone and their mother would also be after.
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** We don't see the brother's behavior except to each other. Perhaps the rest where quite noble to ordinary people.And they may have only killed each other because daddy gave them no choice. Sept may have been the only one who was evil generally and who relished killing his brothers.

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** We don't see the brother's behavior except to each other. Perhaps the rest where quite noble to ordinary people. And they may have only killed each other because daddy gave them no choice. Sept may have been the only one who was evil generally and who relished killing his brothers.
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*** Exactly. I was never fooled by Lamia's act. After all, the times she'd interacted with her sisters consisted of them nagging her and her not wanting them to share in anything with her, it would be massively out-of-character for her to genuinely mourn the loss of her sisters. While the character Lamia was based on was a TragicVillain, Lamia's a monster. She NEVER wanted to share eternal life with anyone, so she'd never learn that theme of the film. She was evil and had to be brought down.

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*** Exactly. I was never fooled by Lamia's act. After all, All the times she'd interacted with her sisters consisted of them nagging her and her not wanting them to share in anything with her, so it would be massively out-of-character for her to genuinely mourn the loss of her sisters. While the character Lamia was based on was a TragicVillain, Lamia's a monster. She NEVER wanted to share eternal life with anyone, so she'd never learn that theme of the film. She was evil and had to be brought down.
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*** That's actually a common misconception. Blood is red at all times, oxygen or not. People used to think it was blue inside of veins because, as one can see by looking at their own arteries, arteries look blue, and so the assumption was that they looked blue because the blood in them was blue, when the truth is that the arteries ''themselves'' are blue.
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** The captain cuts Tristan's hair to be longer than what it began as. Don't see why he can't shrink some garments to Yvaine's size.
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** On our side of the Wall, if Yvaine became a “fallen star,” she would actually have been an asteroid or natural satellite of some kind. Maybe they’re actually dwarf planets on the edges of our own solar system, maybe orbiting each other, like Pluto and Charon.
*** The characters say she would become a “rock” if she crossed the wall, which seems to support the hypothesis that she’s actually an asteroid after all. Stars are gas, not rock.
*** And the metaphorical consequences of this interpretation are in line with the movie: asteroids can only shine by reflecting light, and throughout the movie Yvaine needed to be shown kindness and TrueLove in order to shine.
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* If Captain Shakespeare, a fairly portly man, keeps all those dresses for himself, why did he have anything that fit the very slim Yvaine? Even if he had outgrown some dresses that used to fit him as a younger man, it’s unlikely that he would have anything small enough for a woman. Note that corsets, with many panels, are notoriously difficult to tailor, and adjusting the tightness of the laces in the back can’t actually afford much flexibility.
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**Alternatively, since blood doesn't actually turn red in the real world until it's exposed to oxygen, royal blood doesn't turn blue until exposed to the air of Stormhold.
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*** Exactly. I was never fooled by Lamia's act. After ''all'' the times she'd interacted with her sisters consisted of them nagging her and her not wanting them to share in anything with her, it would be massively out-of-character for her to genuinely mourn the loss of her sisters. While the character Lamia was based on was a TragicVillain, Lamia's a monster. She NEVER wanted to share eternal life with anyone, so she'd never learn that theme of the film. She was evil and had to be brought down.

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*** Exactly. I was never fooled by Lamia's act. After ''all'' all, the times she'd interacted with her sisters consisted of them nagging her and her not wanting them to share in anything with her, it would be massively out-of-character for her to genuinely mourn the loss of her sisters. While the character Lamia was based on was a TragicVillain, Lamia's a monster. She NEVER wanted to share eternal life with anyone, so she'd never learn that theme of the film. She was evil and had to be brought down.



* Lamia, as the movie proceeds, slowly but surely ages further and further back to her initial state in the movie whenever she casts magic...the issue is that this happens or more specifically, the viewer is shown this happens, when she does what are otherwise small feats of magic. At one point she polymorphs two goats into humans, one into a women and then she creates an entire inn at a crossroads. After creating the inn, at least, one would think she would be decrepit but its not even highlighted, she doesn't seem to age in that moment.

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* Lamia, as the movie proceeds, slowly but surely ages further and further back to her initial state in the movie whenever she casts magic...the issue is that this happens or more specifically, the viewer is shown this happens, when she does what are otherwise small feats of magic. At one point she polymorphs two goats into humans, one into a women woman and then she creates an entire inn at a crossroads. After creating the inn, at least, one would think she would be decrepit but its not even highlighted, she doesn't seem to age in that moment.
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** Why would she bother or care?
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** Almost definitely not the case -- when she shows up at the end, all the brothers, living and dead, recognize her instantly, and she recognizes Septimus. If she was taken as an infant, they wouldn't recognize each other.

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* How was the witch able to make a voodoo doll of Septimus? She didn't have any pieces of his hair or skin or anything--just a random doll made of clay. It wasn't linked to Septimus in any particular way, so it shouldn't have worked! It might be internally consistent, but that still raises the question of why she didn't bust it out before her sister got gutted.

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* How was the witch Lamia able to make a voodoo doll of Septimus? She didn't have any pieces of his hair or skin or anything--just a random doll made of clay. It wasn't linked to Septimus in any particular way, so it shouldn't have worked! It might be internally consistent, but that still raises the question of why she didn't bust it out before her sister got gutted.



* Why didn't the witch just kill both of them when she had the chance? She deliberately missed Tristan, let both of them get far away from her, then suddenly started trying to kill them again when they both had the advantage over her and she got her butt whipped. I loved the movie, but that scene almost killed it for me for being apparently pointless.

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* Why didn't the witch Lamia just kill both of them when she had the chance? She deliberately missed Tristan, let both of them get far away from her, then suddenly started trying to kill them again when they both had the advantage over her and she got her butt whipped. I loved the movie, but that scene almost killed it for me for being apparently pointless.



*** At the point where she had Yvaine completely in her power, Yvaine had effectively lost all hope. She needed to give her a HopeSpot to actually make her think "Maybe we'll live through this, maybe we'll survive." Yes, she scares her again right after, but at that point Yvaine is ''scared'', not heartbroken. She was clearly going to kill them both almost immediately after that, and probably figured the lingering hope and happiness of thinking she was going to get away would have lingered in Yvaine's heart.
* In TheMovie, were the animals the witches used for divination that were let loose at the end transformed humans, or was it left to the viewer's interpretation?

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*** At the point where she had Yvaine completely in her power, Yvaine had effectively lost all hope. She Lamia needed to give her a HopeSpot to actually make her think "Maybe we'll live through this, maybe we'll survive." Yes, she scares her again right after, but at that point Yvaine is ''scared'', not heartbroken. She was clearly going to kill them both almost immediately after that, and probably figured the lingering hope and happiness of thinking she was going to get away would have lingered in Yvaine's heart.
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* In TheMovie, Given Lamia's transforming of Bernard into a goat early in the movie, I have to ask, were the animals the witches used for divination that were let loose at the end transformed humans, or was it left to the viewer's interpretation?



** Though that would've made one witch's KarmicDeath by wolves more awesome.

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** Though that would've made one witch's Empusa's KarmicDeath by wolves more awesome.



* At the end of TheMovie, isn't it a bit of an unhappy ending that [[spoiler: Tristran and Yvain end up hundreds, or thousands of light-years apart, or at least with other stars between them]]?

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* At the end of TheMovie, isn't it a bit of an unhappy ending that [[spoiler: Tristran Tristan and Yvain end eend up hundreds, or thousands of light-years apart, or at least with other stars between them]]?



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* The part I don't understand is why the necklace knocked Yvain out of the sky. I mean, I know the necklace had to travel a good distance for the sons to go look for it, but why would it bring down a star?

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* The part I don't understand is why the necklace knocked Yvain Yvaine out of the sky. I mean, I know the necklace had to travel a good distance for the sons to go look for it, but why would it bring down a star?



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** Because Septimus was the most like his father. He killed the most people and killed them in cold blood, without a shred of remorse. Like the above stated, his brothers might have [[PunchClockVillain behaved better when they weren't following in their father's footsteps]] and might even have repented after death. The only other confirmed killer was Secondus, and he seemed to regret it by the time we see him die. ("It was 10 years ago!") With Septimus, he was every bit TheSociopath his father was. His ''single'' [[PetTheDog redeeming moment]] was not killing his sister, but that wasn't enough to bring him salvation in the end.
* [[http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8467/kingm.png This]] cannot be coincidence, and I find it highly disturbing.
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** Because Septimus was the most like his father. He killed the most people and killed them in cold blood, without a shred of remorse. Like the above stated, his brothers might have [[PunchClockVillain behaved better when they weren't following in their father's footsteps]] and might even have repented after death. The only other confirmed killer was Secondus, Secundus, and he seemed to regret it by the time we see him die. ("It was 10 years ago!") With Septimus, he was every bit TheSociopath his father was. His ''single'' [[PetTheDog redeeming moment]] was not killing his sister, but that wasn't enough to bring him salvation in the end.
* [[http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8467/kingm.png This]] cannot be coincidence, and I find it highly disturbing.
** [[MemeticMutation '''ELEPHANT!!!''']]
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*** It was written by Tristran's father and it was asking wether or not another, magical universe could exist on the other side of the wall.

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*** It was written by Tristran's Tristan's father and it was asking wether whether or not another, magical universe could exist on the other side of the wall.wall.
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** Tristan's a bastard (the literal kind), so until he was acknowledged, he wouldn't have counted as a royal. Once everyone else in the royal line that could have preceded him to kingship was dead, and once the stone acknowledged him, it's entirely possible his blood ''turned'' blue, by magic-logic.

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** Tristan's literally a bastard (the literal kind), so bastard, as his mother sired him with someone from the other side of the Wall. So until he was acknowledged, he wouldn't have counted as a royal. Once everyone else in the royal line that could have preceded him to kingship was dead, and once the stone acknowledged him, it's entirely possible his blood ''turned'' blue, by magic-logic. Or maybe his blood did ''turn'' blue as long as he was in Stormhold.
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** I've only seen the movie, but didn't the King ask his sons where the heck was their sister, and Septimus pointed out that he wouldn't bother killing her when he still had two brothers alive? That sort of implies they don't even know she's missing, let alone bound to a witch. She probably left home a long time ago, knowing it would be unlikely that she'd ever get the throne, then got kidnapped. Everyone has just been too busy trying to do each other in to notice.

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** I've only seen the movie, but didn't the The King ask asks his sons where the heck was their sister, Una is, and Septimus pointed points out that he wouldn't bother killing her when he still had two brothers alive? alive. That sort of implies they don't even know she's missing, let alone bound to a witch. She probably left home a long time ago, knowing it would be unlikely that she'd ever get the throne, then got kidnapped. Everyone has just been too busy trying to do each other in to notice.



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* OK, Stars & Humans can't have children together, so who NOW, after Yvaine and Tristran are gone, is the new Lord of Stormhold?

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* OK, Stars & Humans can't have children together, so who NOW, after Yvaine and Tristran Tristan are gone, is the new Lord of Stormhold?




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** It's magical. Tristan's father tried to cut the chain off of Tristan's mother's ankle by looping it and cutting away, but though the chain was cut, the two edges recombined ... leaving him with a handful of disconnected (magical) chain. It's this magic chain that he then gives to Tristan. If you look at the scenes with the mother in them, the chain can extend and compress depending on where she needs to go to do her duties.

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** It's magical. a magical chain. Tristan's father tried to cut the chain off of Tristan's mother's Una's ankle by looping it and cutting away, but though the chain was cut, the two edges recombined ... leaving him with a handful of disconnected (magical) chain. It's this magic chain that he then gives to Tristan. If you look at the scenes with the mother Una in them, the chain can extend be extended and compress compressed depending on where she needs to go to do her duties.
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**Yeah, but she could've used her magic to get rid of the tub.
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*** Interesting question. What if Yvaine had simply jumped/climbed over the wall? Or would there be some magic that prevents her from doing so at any point other than the gap?
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** She didn't go out of her way to demlish the inn so much as she just let it burn down from the fire she'd already started trying to get Yvaine. And bathtubs aren't flammable.

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** She didn't go out of her way to demlish demolish the inn so much as she just let it burn down from the fire she'd already started trying to get Yvaine. And bathtubs aren't flammable.
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** She didn't go out of her way to demlish the inn so much as she just let it burn down from the fire she'd already started trying to get Yvaine. And bathtubs aren't flammable.

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