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** Why does Sil need a cocoon? Cocoons are used by animals that dramatically change their shape between the juvenile and adult form, like butterflies. Something Sill doesn't do. Not to mention that she's a shapeshifter anyway; she rearranges her body ''without'' needing a cocoon multiple times in the movie.
** In ''Species II'' {{The Virus}} infects two astronauts on a Mars mission. [[spoiler: One of them is female]]. The [[spoiler: male]] infected astronaut immediately develops the hots for Sil's clone Eve, with whom he is in telepathic contact, and wants to knock her up and make [[FetusTerrible some kind of special evil baby that only results when two aliens mate]]. [[spoiler: But he never shows any such interest in the female astronaut.]] Instead he develops the hots for the one that's locked in a ([[CardboardPrison not so]]) secure government facility. [[PlotHole No explanation is ever given or suggested]].
** Also in ''Species II'' [[spoiler: the female astronauts dies after giving birth]]. When in the first film [[spoiler: Sil gives birth and lives]]. [[PlotHole No explanation is ever given or suggested as well]].
*** remember that Sil had rapid regeneration powers, hence why she could survive the birth, while the female astronaut didn't. Though, this brings another Fridge Logic of why the female astronaut didn't turn into a hybrid while Patrick did...

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* FridgeLogic
** Why does Sil need a cocoon? Cocoons are used by animals that dramatically change their shape between the juvenile and adult form, like butterflies. Something Sill doesn't do. Not to mention that she's a shapeshifter anyway; she rearranges her body ''without'' needing a cocoon multiple times in the movie.
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In ''Species II'' {{The Virus}} infects two astronauts on a Mars mission. [[spoiler: One of them is female]]. The [[spoiler: male]] infected astronaut immediately develops the hots for Sil's clone Eve, with whom he is in telepathic contact, and wants to knock her up and make [[FetusTerrible some kind of special evil baby that only results when two aliens mate]]. [[spoiler: But he never shows any such interest in the female astronaut.]] Instead he develops the hots for the one that's locked in a ([[CardboardPrison not so]]) secure government facility. [[PlotHole No explanation is ever given or suggested]].
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Also in ''Species II'' [[spoiler: the female astronauts dies after giving birth]]. When in the first film [[spoiler: Sil gives birth and lives]]. [[PlotHole No explanation is ever given or suggested as well]].
*** remember ** Remember that Sil had rapid regeneration powers, hence why she could survive the birth, while the female astronaut didn't. Though, this brings another Fridge Logic of why the female astronaut didn't turn into a hybrid while Patrick did...did...


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** It may not be a cocoon for purposes of metamorphosis, but one for dormancy. We don't know anything about what the ''pure'' aliens' biology is like; their physiology may require periodic hibernation or aestivation, like an African lungfish sealing itself in mud and membrane to survive when the river dries up.
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** Could that's the pure and natural state of the SIL species when spawning. The budding SILs burst forth and devour all they can in order to grow and thrive; it's the most determined alone that thrives. Could be also how the SIL species lives on, it has to bred hybrid offspring, so that its progeny don't devour everything in sight.


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** Could that's the pure and natural state of the SIL species when spawning. The budding SILs [=SILs=] burst forth and devour all they can in order to grow and thrive; it's the most determined alone that thrives. Could be also how the SIL species lives on, it has to bred breed hybrid offspring, so that its progeny don't devour everything in sight.

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* What is the actual failure in the chain for the hybrids? Sil was made from a fertilized human egg with the alien sperm. She produced a child with a human donor, while he didn't live long enough, we don't know for sure. However the second, Eve provided a daughter that is fertile.

So is Patrick himself the problem? And is that the human part or the "thing" that infected him? His sperm with human woman, produces problems. Yet his sperm with Eve works well. Is something in Eve's makeup fixing Patrick's problem or did Patrick just pick bad woman to breed with? Which after all what is Patrick classified as? Can he really be considered a hybrid, or an human infected? Had they have grown a male Sil, would he have done just as well as Eve or failed like Patrick?

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* What is the actual failure in the chain for the hybrids? Sil was made from a fertilized human egg with the alien sperm. She produced a child with a human donor, while he didn't live long enough, we don't know for sure. However the second, Eve provided a daughter that is fertile.

fertile. So is Patrick himself the problem? And is that the human part or the "thing" that infected him? His sperm with human woman, produces problems. Yet his sperm with Eve works well. Is something in Eve's makeup fixing Patrick's problem or did Patrick just pick bad woman to breed with? Which after all what is Patrick classified as? Can he really be considered a hybrid, or an human infected? Had they have grown a male Sil, would he have done just as well as Eve or failed like Patrick?
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* What is the actual failure in the chain for the hybrids? Sil was made from a fertilized human egg with the alien sperm. She produced a child with a human donor, while he didn't live long enough, we don't know for sure. However the second, Eve provided a daughter that is fertile.

So is Patrick himself the problem? And is that the human part or the "thing" that infected him? His sperm with human woman, produces problems. Yet his sperm with Eve works well. Is something in Eve's makeup fixing Patrick's problem or did Patrick just pick bad woman to breed with? Which after all what is Patrick classified as? Can he really be considered a hybrid, or an human infected? Had they have grown a male Sil, would he have done just as well as Eve or failed like Patrick?
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* The alien message contained the alien genome and instructions on how to combine it with human genome. But where did they get the actual ''physical'' alien DNA? Obviously you can't send physical matter in interstellar radio signals. Did the humans build the alien genome from nothing one amino acid at a time?

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* The alien message contained the alien genome and instructions on how to combine it with human genome. But where did they get the actual ''physical'' alien DNA? Obviously you can't send physical matter in interstellar radio signals. Did the alien message spell out the billions-long DNA sequence and then the humans build the alien genome just built that from nothing one amino acid at a time?
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\n** Patrick was also infected by alien DNA leftover on Mars, implied to be there because a previous Martian civilization was exterminated by the same beasties. Thus, the alien DNA that infected Patrick likely had Martian DNA included, making Patrick not just a human/alien hybrid, but a human/Martian/alien hybrid.

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* The alien message contained the alien genome and instructions on how to combine it with human genome. But where did they get the actual ''physical'' alien DNA? Obviously you can't send physical matter in interstellar radio signals. Did the humans build the alien genome from nothing one amino acid at a time?

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** Something tells me you need to watch Alien 3, which was made three years before the first film, but Patrick was an infected, not a true hybrid, which explained some of that. Or the creators of the second film didn't give a care.
** In fact, Patrick also has bipedal [[OneWingedAngel true form]] (male version of Sil's) and [[http://cfile231.uf.daum.net/image/23643F4951E2500C2415B7 appeared in mating scene with Eve]].

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** Something tells me you need According to watch Alien 3, which was made three years before the first film, but Giger, Patrick was an infected, not a true hybrid, which explained some of that. Or the creators of the second film didn't give a care.
** In fact, Patrick also
has bipedal two types of [[OneWingedAngel true form]] (male and two stage transform sequence. When mating with Eve, he transform to bipedal form. And shortly before the emerge form cocoon, he transform again to quadrupedal form, so-called 'Fight patrick' or 'Patrick monster', for combat
** Patrick's bipedal form is male
version of Sil's) and Sil's. You can watch it [[http://cfile231.uf.daum.net/image/23643F4951E2500C2415B7 appeared in mating scene with Eve]].
** About hulking quadrupedal beast form, Something tells me you need to watch Alien 3, which was made three years before the first film.
** Patrick was an infected, not a true hybrid, which explained some of that and why he is the only one who has two types form.

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* In the first movie at least, why/how does Sil have a birth canal in her chest (besides being a reference to another franchise for which H.R. Giger did design work)?
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** Sexual dimorphism. The male and female forms of the Sil species may just have more drastic gender differences than those of most Earth animals.

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** Sexual dimorphism. The male In fact, Patrick also has bipedal [[OneWingedAngel true form]] (male version of Sil's) and female forms of the Sil species may just have more drastic gender differences than those of most Earth animals.
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** Sexual dimorphism. The male and female forms of the Sil species may just have more drastic gender differences than those of most Earth animals.
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** But who amongst us would admit to be willing to torch a seeming-human little girl?
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** Could that's the pure and natural state of the SIL species when spawning. The budding SILs burst forth and devour all they can in order to grow and thrive; it's the most determined alone that thrives. Could be also how the SIL species lives on, it has to bred hybrid offspring, so that its progeny don't devour everything in sight.
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** Anal probes.
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* FridgeLogic
** Why does Sil need a cocoon? Cocoons are used by animals that dramatically change their shape between the juvenile and adult form, like butterflies. Something Sill doesn't do. Not to mention that she's a shapeshifter anyway; she rearranges her body ''without'' needing a cocoon multiple times in the movie.
** In ''Species II'' {{The Virus}} infects two astronauts on a Mars mission. [[spoiler: One of them is female]]. The [[spoiler: male]] infected astronaut immediately develops the hots for Sil's clone Eve, with whom he is in telepathic contact, and wants to knock her up and make [[FetusTerrible some kind of special evil baby that only results when two aliens mate]]. [[spoiler: But he never shows any such interest in the female astronaut.]] Instead he develops the hots for the one that's locked in a ([[CardboardPrison not so]]) secure government facility. [[PlotHole No explanation is ever given or suggested]].
** Also in ''Species II'' [[spoiler: the female astronauts dies after giving birth]]. When in the first film [[spoiler: Sil gives birth and lives]]. [[PlotHole No explanation is ever given or suggested as well]].
*** remember that Sil had rapid regeneration powers, hence why she could survive the birth, while the female astronaut didn't. Though, this brings another Fridge Logic of why the female astronaut didn't turn into a hybrid while Patrick did...
* As they were digging that AbsurdlySpaciousSewer under the hotel, not a single survey detected the GIANT CAVE SYSTEM?
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Removing wick to Did Not Do The Research per rename at TRS.


* The insane asylum guy's theories about the aliens in ''Species II'' are ridiculous. First off, he says he can tell the [[TheVirus Mars virus]] fossils in the meteorite came from another galaxy because it has a form of carbon in it that can only be found there ([[DidNotDoTheResearch and he gives a completely inaccurate figure for the distances to the Magellanic Clouds while he's at it, assuming that's what he means by "the Magellanic galaxy"]]). But that kind of carbon would only be present in the initial seed viruses the aliens dropped on Mars, all the rest of the viruses would be made entirely from Martian carbon. So either we got phenomenally lucky and the meteorite ''just happened'' to contain a little of the seed virus (which would be an extremely improbable coincidence), or the aliens would have had to deluge Mars in such ridiculous quantities of that black snotty stuff it would pretty much defeat the whole idea of using a biological weapon (you can do a lot of damage with small initial quantities). Also, since the aliens would have to have a presence within a few dozen light years of Earth to pick up our radio signals it means they'd have to be an incredibly vast and powerful civilization. If guys like that wanted to wipe us out they'd have much more effective ways of doing so than sending us a blueprint for a bioweapon and hoping we're stupid enough to create it ''and'' allow it to escape into the environment. That kind of thing only makes sense as a poor man's weapon, used by a civilization that doesn't have the resources and/or technology for anything more effective. There's also the matter of why, if they wanted to kill us and they've been in our neighborhood for billions of years, they just sat around all that time until we developed a technological civilization instead of pre-emptively ruining Earth's environment before sapience could evolve. And then there's how unlikely it would be that a virus designed to infect billions of years dead Martians could infect a human, drastically alter his biology, and produce something other than a corpse. Well, [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation the guy WAS]] [[UnreliableNarrator in an insane asylum]] and even if he was sane and intelligent he was [[SubvertedTrope probably speculating about stuff]] [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist outside his field]] (and no, there's [[TakeThat no way I think the writers of that script were clever enough]] [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation to do that deliberately]]).

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* The insane asylum guy's theories about the aliens in ''Species II'' are ridiculous. First off, he says he can tell the [[TheVirus Mars virus]] fossils in the meteorite came from another galaxy because it has a form of carbon in it that can only be found there ([[DidNotDoTheResearch and (and he gives a completely inaccurate figure for the distances to the Magellanic Clouds while he's at it, assuming that's what he means by "the Magellanic galaxy"]]).galaxy"). But that kind of carbon would only be present in the initial seed viruses the aliens dropped on Mars, all the rest of the viruses would be made entirely from Martian carbon. So either we got phenomenally lucky and the meteorite ''just happened'' to contain a little of the seed virus (which would be an extremely improbable coincidence), or the aliens would have had to deluge Mars in such ridiculous quantities of that black snotty stuff it would pretty much defeat the whole idea of using a biological weapon (you can do a lot of damage with small initial quantities). Also, since the aliens would have to have a presence within a few dozen light years of Earth to pick up our radio signals it means they'd have to be an incredibly vast and powerful civilization. If guys like that wanted to wipe us out they'd have much more effective ways of doing so than sending us a blueprint for a bioweapon and hoping we're stupid enough to create it ''and'' allow it to escape into the environment. That kind of thing only makes sense as a poor man's weapon, used by a civilization that doesn't have the resources and/or technology for anything more effective. There's also the matter of why, if they wanted to kill us and they've been in our neighborhood for billions of years, they just sat around all that time until we developed a technological civilization instead of pre-emptively ruining Earth's environment before sapience could evolve. And then there's how unlikely it would be that a virus designed to infect billions of years dead Martians could infect a human, drastically alter his biology, and produce something other than a corpse. Well, [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation the guy WAS]] [[UnreliableNarrator in an insane asylum]] and even if he was sane and intelligent he was [[SubvertedTrope probably speculating about stuff]] [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist outside his field]] (and no, there's [[TakeThat no way I think the writers of that script were clever enough]] [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation to do that deliberately]]).
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* So they put cyanide into Sil's chamber to kill her. Why on earth didn't they just have a vacuum pump to make her pass out first? It may not have worked, but if it did they could have dispatched her however they wanted. Why didn't they have that nifty fire thing they had at the other lab?
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Putting this in the fridge.


* FridgeLogic from the Main Page:
** Why does Sil need a cocoon? Cocoons are used by animals that dramatically change their shape between the juvenile and adult form, like butterflies. Something Sill doesn't do. Not to mention that she's a shapeshifter anyway; she rearranges her body ''without'' needing a cocoon multiple times in the movie.
** In ''Species II'' {{The Virus}} infects two astronauts on a Mars mission. [[spoiler: One of them is female]]. The [[spoiler: male]] infected astronaut immediately develops the hots for Sil's clone Eve, with whom he is in telepathic contact, and wants to knock her up and make [[FetusTerrible some kind of special evil baby that only results when two aliens mate]]. [[spoiler: But he never shows any such interest in the female astronaut.]] Instead he develops the hots for the one that's locked in a ([[CardboardPrison not so]]) secure government facility. [[PlotHole No explanation is ever given or suggested]].
** Also in ''Species II'' [[spoiler: the female astronauts dies after giving birth]]. When in the first film [[spoiler: Sil gives birth and lives]]. [[PlotHole No explanation is ever given or suggested as well]].
*** remember that Sil had rapid regeneration powers, hence why she could survive the birth, while the female astronaut didn't. Though, this brings another Fridge Logic of why the female astronaut didn't turn into a hybrid while Patrick did...
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** Being somewhat insectoid in appearance, there's even odds that they are cold blooded animals. What does that do to your heat output equations?



** Because she's a HalfHumanHybrid. They're a side-product of her human genome. Her alien form isn't what the aliens "really" look like, even if those who sent the data used their own DNA, but a combination of the human and alien traits.

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** Because she's a HalfHumanHybrid. They're a side-product of her human genome. Her alien form isn't what the aliens "really" look like, even if those who sent the data used their own DNA, but a combination of the human and alien traits.traits.
** Just as pertinant a question is why do human men have nipples? We can't breastfeed! Obviously these are just useless genetic leftovers we get from our mothers' genes. Likewise with Sil's alien form - though useless, her hooters are probably just a genetic leftover from her human form.





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** Most likely timed so that we could have a BirthDeathJuxtaposition effect with Mommy #1's birth cries being framed with Daddy's orgasm cry as he turns little sister into Mommy #2.




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** Also, Sil was created from a human egg, which was merely fertilized with alien DNA. The son came from Sil's egg, which would be alien in nature, and therefore not nessisarily programmed with the same development timing.


** Considering just the first movie, you can cast the aliens as [[WellIntentionedExtremist trying to be helpful]]("randomly following advice you get from [[strike:the internet]][[RecycledINSPACE space]] is a [[{{Understatement}} Bad Idea]]"), if you assume they value individual life less than the average American(of course, they could have just as easily been {{troll}}ing). As for the NoBiochemicalBarriers thing, convergent evolution gives the writers a {{handwave}}.

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** Considering just the first movie, you can cast the aliens as [[WellIntentionedExtremist trying to be helpful]]("randomly following advice you get from [[strike:the internet]][[RecycledINSPACE space]] is a [[{{Understatement}} a Bad Idea]]"), Idea"), if you assume they value individual life less than the average American(of course, they could have just as easily been {{troll}}ing). As for the NoBiochemicalBarriers thing, convergent evolution gives the writers a {{handwave}}.
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*** remember that Sil had rapid regeneration powers, hence why she could survive the birth, while the female astronaut didn't. Though, this brings another Fridge Logic of why the female astronaut didn't turn into a hybrid while Patrick did...
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* How did the aliens who sent us the message even ''know'' the human genome? It's implied the message was a reply to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_message Arecibo message]], but the Arecibo message didn't contain the human genome, just the chemical formula for the DNA base pairs (the Human Genome Project wasn't even finished at the time the message was sent). In fairness, the second movie demonstrates that they've visited our solar system in the past so they might have probed Earth in historical or prehistoric times.

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* How did the aliens who sent us the message even ''know'' the human genome? It's implied the message was a reply to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_message Arecibo message]], but the Arecibo message didn't contain the human genome, just the chemical formula for the DNA base pairs (the Human Genome Project wasn't even finished at the time the message was sent).sent, or even at the time of the film). In fairness, the second movie demonstrates that they've visited our solar system in the past so they might have probed Earth in historical or prehistoric times.
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* FridgeLogic from the Main Page:
** Why does Sil need a cocoon? Cocoons are used by animals that dramatically change their shape between the juvenile and adult form, like butterflies. Something Sill doesn't do. Not to mention that she's a shapeshifter anyway; she rearranges her body ''without'' needing a cocoon multiple times in the movie.
** In ''Species II'' {{The Virus}} infects two astronauts on a Mars mission. [[spoiler: One of them is female]]. The [[spoiler: male]] infected astronaut immediately develops the hots for Sil's clone Eve, with whom he is in telepathic contact, and wants to knock her up and make [[FetusTerrible some kind of special evil baby that only results when two aliens mate]]. [[spoiler: But he never shows any such interest in the female astronaut.]] Instead he develops the hots for the one that's locked in a ([[CardboardPrison not so]]) secure government facility. [[PlotHole No explanation is ever given or suggested]].
** Also in ''Species II'' [[spoiler: the female astronauts dies after giving birth]]. When in the first film [[spoiler: Sil gives birth and lives]]. [[PlotHole No explanation is ever given or suggested as well]].
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** RuleOfScary? Less kindly, the screenwriters were, well, hacks.
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** Humans don't need a cocoon to grow from a child into an adult, but [[CaptainObvious Sil isn't human]]. Humans also don't have the ability to jump from a pre-adolescent form to a grown adult form. If we did, we might need a cocoon stage.

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** External heat or an internal cellular splitting process? But they don't follow conventional biology rules.



** Something tells me you need to watch Alien 3.

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** Something tells me you need to watch Alien 3.
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** Sil was created in an artificial womb, which could have explained why it took a few days for her to grow. Her son grew inside of her womb, which explains the fast gestation time (and probably, the non-artificial birth would have allowed for the accelerated growth time).
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** Considering just the first movie, you can cast the aliens as [[WellIntentionedExtremist trying to be helpful]]("randomly following advice you get from [[strike:the internet]][[RecycledINSPACE space]] is a [[{{Understatement}} Bad Idea]]"), if you assume they value individual life less than the average American(of course, they could have just as easily been {{troll}}ing). As for the NoBiochemicalBarriers thing, convergent evolution gives the writers a {{handwave}}.

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** She can onloy shift between two forms, and for all we her internal organs are radicly different as a child.

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** She can onloy shift between two forms, and for all we her internal organs are radicly different as a child.


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*How come the gestation time for Sil was so much longer than that of her son? And how come he matured quicker than her?
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* Why does Sil's alien form have nipples? Her young seems to be able to feed itself from birth, so it doesn't make a lot of sense for her to have them (aside from maintaining fake breasts as part of her human disguise).

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* Why does Sil's alien form have nipples? Her young seems to be able to feed itself from birth, so it doesn't make a lot of sense for her to have them (aside from maintaining fake breasts as part of her human disguise).
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** Because she's a HalfHumanHybrid. They're a side-product of her human genome. Her alien form isn't what the aliens "really" look like, even if those who sent the data used their own DNA, but a combination of the human and alien traits.

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