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** Maybe all the victims were also related to Hank in some way. Taking into account that all the video tapes just started abruptly without any explanation, it's possible that Hoffman was watching the game in a faraway place or by a peephole and controlled the TVs. If William wins, he would play the tapes meant for William. If Hank wins, he would play the tapes meant for Hank. For the Billy one, it might have been controlled as well.

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** Maybe all the victims were also related to Hank in some way. Taking into account that all the video tapes just started abruptly without any explanation, it's possible that Hoffman was watching the game in a faraway place or by a peephole and controlled the TVs.[=TVs=]. If William wins, he would play the tapes meant for William. If Hank wins, he would play the tapes meant for Hank. For the Billy one, it might have been controlled as well.
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* I am a bit confused about this and hope I can get some clarification. If it is too obvious then I guess that is just me not being able to see it clearly. Hoffman's test was an updated version of the Reverse Bear Trap and was supposed to be administered by Jill. However as John had said, everybody deserves a chance to survive which is one of the reasons he went after Hoffman in the first place. Because he blamed John for a trap he didn’t make and which was inferior and it also didn’t give Seth Baxter a chance to live. In Hoffman’s test, Jill NEVER gave Hoffman a chance to survive and left him there to die. So I have two questions.

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* I am a bit confused about this and hope I can get some clarification. If it is too obvious then I guess that is just me not being able to see it clearly. Hoffman's test was an updated version of the Reverse Bear Trap and was supposed to be administered by Jill. [[Film/SawV However as John had said, everybody deserves a chance to survive which is one of the reasons he went after Hoffman in the first place. Because he blamed John for a trap he didn’t make and which was inferior and it also didn’t give Seth Baxter a chance to live. ]] In Hoffman’s test, Jill NEVER gave Hoffman a chance to survive and left him there to die. So I have two questions.
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We don't need to mention the name of the movie when it's clear from the HS page as to which one we're talking about.


* Why was Hoffman "tested" at the end of ''VI''?

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* Why was Hoffman "tested" at the end of ''VI''?this movie?
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** The investigators would probably pull up the fact that his father was denied coverage by the firm and this would colour their notions of assumed guilt. Between that, Pamela as a witness, and analysis of their holding cell which would likely show that there was no trap or other mechanisms which forced them to kill him, the evidence begins to mount up. Perhaps the fact that we don't see him at the survivors group in the following movie, but we ''do'' see his mother (who didn't pull the lever) means that he was indeed brought up on charges. Note that in reality, the actor had scheduling conflicts, but the indications as presented lead to this conclusion in the movie.

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** The investigators would probably pull up the fact that his father was denied coverage by the firm and this would colour their notions of assumed guilt. Between that, Pamela as a witness, and analysis of their holding cell which would likely show that there was no trap or other mechanisms which forced them to kill him, him (plus there's really nothing to suggest the police couldn't replay the footage which had John posing the choice to them), the evidence begins to mount up. Perhaps the fact that we don't see him at the survivors group in the following movie, but we ''do'' see his mother (who didn't pull the lever) means that he was indeed brought up on charges. Note that in reality, the actor had scheduling conflicts, but the indications as presented lead to this conclusion in the movie.
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* Turns out, he didn't give up on treatment and did actually fund it himself. We find out in {{Film/SawX}} that the treatment itself was a scam and didn't cure anything.

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* Turns out, ** As it turns out in ''Film/SawX'', he didn't give up on the treatment and did actually fund afforded it by himself. We find out in {{Film/SawX}} that Thing is, the treatment itself was a scam and didn't cure anything.

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** That ''is'' the point. William made a living off of choosing who lives or dies, with the people in question having no say in the decision. Now, the tables have turned -- ''William'' is the one who has to beg for his life in front of someone else who gets to decide if he lives or dies.



* Turns out, he didn't give up on treatment. It's just that the treatment itself was a scam.

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* Turns out, he didn't give up on treatment. It's just treatment and did actually fund it himself. We find out in {{Film/SawX}} that the treatment itself was a scam.scam and didn't cure anything.
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* Turns out, he didn't give up on treatment. It's just that the treatment itself was a scam.
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''Headscratchers/SawI'' | ''Headscratchers/SawII'' | ''Headscratchers/SawIII'' | ''Headscratchers/SawIV'' | ''Headscratchers/SawV'' | '''''Saw VI''''' | ''Headscratchers/Saw3D'' | ''Headscratchers/{{Jigsaw}}'' | ''[[Headscratchers/Spiral2021 Spiral]]''-]]]]]Spiral]]'' | ''Headscratchers/SawX''-]]]]]
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** Only if you think the Abbots are horrible enough that they'd seriously consider murdering an innocent woman for her jerkass brother's actions.

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** Only if you think the Abbots Abbotts are horrible enough that they'd seriously consider murdering an innocent woman for her jerkass brother's actions.
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** Only if you think the Abbots are horrible enough that they'd seriously consider murdering an innocent woman for her jerkass brother's actions.
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** Of course, someone has to pay the doctors, and money and resources are finite even for insurance companies, so they can't afford everything, that's why there are laws and policies regulating what they are and aren't allowed to deny to their customers. But this doesn't mean that there aren't people acting in bad faith, there can be a lot of lies and bullshit being sold in this industry, so it's assumed that William went against some rule that he wasn't allowed to, after all John paid for his insurance, even if he's not allowed to demand a billion dollar treatment, he's still allowed to demand what he hired William for. In the case of the kid's parent, he denied him treatment because he didn't tell the company about an oral surgery he had, which made him more vulnerable to heart diseases, so his company denied everything, not even giving him a penny, I'm skeptical if they are allowed to do that in this specific case, even if he purposefully ommited this condition, partial coverage would already be a great help. And obviously Jonh is an insane psychopath so nothing about his "philosophy" makes sense, and if William deserved anything he deserved a lawsuit, not cold blooded torture.

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** Of course, someone has to pay the doctors, and money and resources are finite even for insurance companies, so they can't afford everything, that's why there are laws and policies regulating what they are and aren't allowed to deny to their customers. But this doesn't mean that there aren't people acting in bad faith, there can be a lot of lies and bullshit being sold in this industry, so it's assumed that William went against some rule that he wasn't allowed to, after all John paid for his insurance, even if he's not allowed to demand a billion dollar treatment, he's still allowed to demand what he hired William for. In the case of the kid's parent, he denied him treatment because he didn't tell the company about an oral surgery he had, which made him more vulnerable to heart diseases, so his company denied everything, not even giving him a penny, I'm skeptical if they are allowed to do that in this specific case, even if he purposefully ommited this condition, partial coverage would already be a great help. And obviously Jonh John is an insane psychopath psychopath, so nothing about his "philosophy" makes sense, and if sense. If William deserved anything he deserved anything, it was a lawsuit, not cold blooded torture.
ColdBloodedTorture.
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** Of course, someone has to pay the doctors, and money and resources are finite even for insurance companies, so they can't afford everything, that's why there are laws and policies regulating what they are and aren't allowed to deny to their customers. But this doesn't mean that there aren't people acting in bad faith, there can be a lot of lies and bullshit being sold in this industry, so it's assumed that William went against some rule that he wasn't allowed to, after all John paid for his insurance, even if he's not allowed to demand a billion dollar treatment, he's still allowed to demand what he hired William for. In the case of the kid's parent, he denied him treatment because he didn't tell the company about an oral surgery he had, which made him more vulnerable to heart diseases, so his company denied everything, not even giving him a penny, I'm skeptical if they are allowed to do that in this specific case, even if he purposefull ommited this condition, partial coverage would already be a great help.

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** Of course, someone has to pay the doctors, and money and resources are finite even for insurance companies, so they can't afford everything, that's why there are laws and policies regulating what they are and aren't allowed to deny to their customers. But this doesn't mean that there aren't people acting in bad faith, there can be a lot of lies and bullshit being sold in this industry, so it's assumed that William went against some rule that he wasn't allowed to, after all John paid for his insurance, even if he's not allowed to demand a billion dollar treatment, he's still allowed to demand what he hired William for. In the case of the kid's parent, he denied him treatment because he didn't tell the company about an oral surgery he had, which made him more vulnerable to heart diseases, so his company denied everything, not even giving him a penny, I'm skeptical if they are allowed to do that in this specific case, even if he purposefull purposefully ommited this condition, partial coverage would already be a great help.
help. And obviously Jonh is an insane psychopath so nothing about his "philosophy" makes sense, and if William deserved anything he deserved a lawsuit, not cold blooded torture.
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** Of course, someone has to pay the doctors, and money and resources are finite even for insurance companies, so they can't afford everything, that's why there are laws and policies regulating what they are and aren't allowed to deny to their customers. But this doesn't mean that there aren't people acting in bad faith, there can be a lot of lies and bullshit being sold in this industry, so it's assumed that William went against some rule that he wasn't allowed to, after all John paid for his insurance, even if he's not allowed to demand a billion dollar treatment, he's still allowed to demand what he hired William for. In the case of the kid's parent, he denied him treatment because he didn't tell the company about an oral surgery he had, which made him more vulnerable to heart diseases, so his company denied everything, not even giving him a penny, I'm skeptical if they are allowed to do that in this specific case, partial coverage would already be a great help.

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** Of course, someone has to pay the doctors, and money and resources are finite even for insurance companies, so they can't afford everything, that's why there are laws and policies regulating what they are and aren't allowed to deny to their customers. But this doesn't mean that there aren't people acting in bad faith, there can be a lot of lies and bullshit being sold in this industry, so it's assumed that William went against some rule that he wasn't allowed to, after all John paid for his insurance, even if he's not allowed to demand a billion dollar treatment, he's still allowed to demand what he hired William for. In the case of the kid's parent, he denied him treatment because he didn't tell the company about an oral surgery he had, which made him more vulnerable to heart diseases, so his company denied everything, not even giving him a penny, I'm skeptical if they are allowed to do that in this specific case, even if he purposefull ommited this condition, partial coverage would already be a great help.

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