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** Anthy never had much say in the matter. There was one encounter between them, where Anthy seemed to hesitate for a moment. What follows after strongly implies that Akio raped her.

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** Anthy never had much say in the matter. There was one encounter between them, where Anthy seemed to hesitate for a moment. What follows after strongly implies that Akio raped her.her.
* Why does Utena still refer to Anthy by her last name? I mean it doesn't make much sense because of how close they are with each other and Utena doesn't use LastNameBasis on anyone else besides Saionji(whom everyone is LastNameBasis with).
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** Anthy might have been trying to [[spoiler: ''spare'' Utena from the trials ahead. Even if the fall didn't kill her, Utena would have ''thought'' she was dead, and would have no reason to stay in Ohtori and duel Akio.]]
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**** Funnily enough, that probably ''is'' Hisakawa Aya's masculine voice. For contrast, see Ami from ''SailorMoon''.

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**** Funnily enough, that probably ''is'' Hisakawa Aya's masculine voice. For contrast, see Ami from ''SailorMoon''.''Anime/SailorMoon''.
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* How consensual was the sex between Anthy and Akio? If she had wanted to, could she have said no?

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* How consensual was the sex between Anthy and Akio? If she had wanted to, could she have said no?no?
** Anthy never had much say in the matter. There was one encounter between them, where Anthy seemed to hesitate for a moment. What follows after strongly implies that Akio raped her.
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** My guess is Akio is done with using her and the last scene we see of her is her being dispose of. I mean we don't see her ever again after that scene...

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** My guess is Akio is done with using her and the last scene we see of her is her being dispose of. I mean we don't see her ever again after that scene...scene...
*How consensual was the sex between Anthy and Akio? If she had wanted to, could she have said no?
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** Another answer is [[spoiler: as we see the arena breakdown around them its because Anthy is confused, she cares about Utena but she fears the world outside of her abusive relationship with Akio. Utena was winning and Akio being the coward that he is throws Anthy in to "fix" it. Having hope is a scary thing for someone in Anthy's position so Anthy decides to make Utena lose by stabbing her. With Utena down the status quo is restored, however it is indicated that she strongly regrets hurting Utena as shown when she hesitates giving Akio the sword.]]
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** If you prefer a more concrete, plot-based answer, [[spoiler: Akio probably just made her do it. We all know she doesn't really do well when she tries to tell him no.]]
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* If Mikage was attracted Tokiko, why [[spoiler: in his memories/mind]] is he with her brother Mamiya? In a memory he did seek out Mamiya alone, but what gives? Is he attracted to them both or is Mamiya just a replacement goldfish?

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* If Mikage was attracted Tokiko, why [[spoiler: in his memories/mind]] memories/delusions]] is he with her brother Mamiya? In a memory he did seek out Mamiya alone, but what gives? Is he attracted to them both or is Mamiya just a replacement goldfish?
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* If Mikage was attracted Tokiko, why [[spoiler: in his memories/mind]] is he with her brother Mamiya? In a memory he did seek out Mamiya alone, but what gives? Is he attracted to them both or is Mamiya just a replacement goldfish?
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* What happened to Kanae between episodes 30 and 32? I know that she probably wasn't in stable condition during 30, but she was at least capable of putting up a "normal" facade. What pushed her over by 32, where she has to be fed?

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* What happened to Kanae between episodes 30 and 32? I know that she probably wasn't in stable condition during 30, but she was at least capable of putting up a "normal" facade. What pushed her over by 32, where she has to be fed?fed?
** My guess is Akio is done with using her and the last scene we see of her is her being dispose of. I mean we don't see her ever again after that scene...
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**Just a theory, maybe Miki panicked after Kozue put the blade on his neck, flailed and Kozue fell and hit her head. Or something like that, a huge quantity of accidents happen in the bath after all... and the reason he is at Ohtori is that he feels guilty about Kozue's death. Or maybe the one that died first was Miki (razors are NOT toys) and Kozue commited suicide, then again the academy seems a place the dead can walk.
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** It's basically the Akio Car working its magic. Miki is a pretty repressed kid; he obviously likes Anthy, but he keeps dressing up his motives as wanting to "save Anthy's music" or find his shining thing. (The Student Council members are ''never'' quite honest about what they're actually duelling for, especially early on.) Thanks to the manipulation in and around the car, though, he's forced to confront the fact that, really, he just wants Anthy. As for Kozue, she seduces Anthy for the same reason she fools around with random boys -- to get Miki's attention. Note that Miki loses both his duels due to being distracted, and that Kozue calls him a coward after this one; I think she was trying to test his resolve.

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** It's basically the Akio Car working its magic. Miki is a pretty repressed kid; he obviously likes Anthy, but he keeps dressing up his motives as wanting to "save Anthy's music" or find his shining thing. (The Student Council members are ''never'' quite honest about what they're actually duelling for, especially early on.) Thanks to the manipulation in and around the car, though, he's forced to confront the fact that, really, he just wants Anthy. As for Kozue, she seduces Anthy for the same reason she fools around with random boys -- to get Miki's attention. Note that Miki loses both his duels due to being distracted, and that Kozue calls him a coward after this one; I think she was trying to test his resolve.resolve.
*What happened to Kanae between episodes 30 and 32? I know that she probably wasn't in stable condition during 30, but she was at least capable of putting up a "normal" facade. What pushed her over by 32, where she has to be fed?
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*** I don't see any evidence how he is different. Kozue turned into a car because of jealousy over Miki, maybe, but all the characters in the movie are (barring Touga) still essentially the same as in the series. Utena still strives to be a prince, Anthy is still [[spoiler: a miserable StepfordSmiler]], Akio is still [[spoiler: a ManipulativeBastard and CompleteMonster]], albeit more pathetic, and Miki is still the pure individual who helps Utena and Anthy in the end, and tries to break the news to Kozue about how he can't constantly spend time with her in the nicest way possible. His little "I want to gain power for myself" speech was obviously a lie, considering at every shot in that scene we see symbols of Kozue. He wants that power to revolutionize the world to help Kozue, not for himself. He would not intentionally hurt her in any way.

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*** I don't see any evidence how he is different. Kozue turned into a car because of jealousy over Miki, maybe, but all the characters in the movie are (barring Touga) still essentially the same as in the series. Utena still strives to be a prince, Anthy is still [[spoiler: a miserable StepfordSmiler]], Akio is still [[spoiler: a ManipulativeBastard and CompleteMonster]], ManipulativeBastard]], albeit more pathetic, and Miki is still the pure individual who helps Utena and Anthy in the end, and tries to break the news to Kozue about how he can't constantly spend time with her in the nicest way possible. His little "I want to gain power for myself" speech was obviously a lie, considering at every shot in that scene we see symbols of Kozue. He wants that power to revolutionize the world to help Kozue, not for himself. He would not intentionally hurt her in any way.
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* Question about episode 26. Why was Miki suddenly compelled to duel Utena? What was he hoping to obtain? To make Kozue the Rose Bride? If so, why? And why did Kozue decide to make out with Anthy out of nowhere? I thought she hated her.

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* Question about episode 26. Why was Miki suddenly compelled to duel Utena? What was he hoping to obtain? To make Kozue the Rose Bride? If so, why? And why did Kozue decide to make out with Anthy out of nowhere? I thought she hated her.her.
** It's basically the Akio Car working its magic. Miki is a pretty repressed kid; he obviously likes Anthy, but he keeps dressing up his motives as wanting to "save Anthy's music" or find his shining thing. (The Student Council members are ''never'' quite honest about what they're actually duelling for, especially early on.) Thanks to the manipulation in and around the car, though, he's forced to confront the fact that, really, he just wants Anthy. As for Kozue, she seduces Anthy for the same reason she fools around with random boys -- to get Miki's attention. Note that Miki loses both his duels due to being distracted, and that Kozue calls him a coward after this one; I think she was trying to test his resolve.
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** A reverse of NoOntologicalInertia, maybe? It may simply be that, even though [[spoiler:Mikage]] was declared RetGone, the consequences of his actions remained. Saionji still crashed at Wakaba's, still arrived at a backdoor deal to get back in, and still was reinstated into the Student Council. It's just that the involved parties were a little bit different in the new continuity.
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Question about episode 26. Why was Miki suddenly compelled to duel Utena? What was he hoping to obtain? To make Kozue the Rose Bride? If so, why? And why did Kozue decide to make out with Anthy out of nowhere? I thought she hated her.

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* Question about episode 26. Why was Miki suddenly compelled to duel Utena? What was he hoping to obtain? To make Kozue the Rose Bride? If so, why? And why did Kozue decide to make out with Anthy out of nowhere? I thought she hated her.
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** It has an English dub as well as English subtitles.

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** It has an English dub as well as English subtitles.subtitles.
Question about episode 26. Why was Miki suddenly compelled to duel Utena? What was he hoping to obtain? To make Kozue the Rose Bride? If so, why? And why did Kozue decide to make out with Anthy out of nowhere? I thought she hated her.
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** I think whether or not she ''can'' die is besides the point in that scene. The point is that [[spoiler:she ''wants'' to die]].

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** I think whether or not she ''can'' die is besides the point in that scene. The scene; the point is that [[spoiler:she ''wants'' to die]].die]]. In other words, the intent is more important than whether it's actually possible.



** Time constraints aside, I think that winning some arbitary tournament by beating every possible opponent is besides the point. In the movie-manga, Touga says that Utena is the "chosen prince" (i.e. the winner) because she was the only one who could open Anthy's heart, so it's most likely a similar sort of thing in the actual movie. As for Touga himself, [[spoiler:although he's dead, don't forget he still has enough physical presence to have sex with Shiori, among other things. Miki obviously doesn't even know him here, but it seems Juri at least knows ''of'' him (even if it's just as the boy who died saving her) so it's feasible that he could've been able to duel with her; it's also never said either way whether or not Saionji knows him in this continuity, so there's another possibility.]]

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** Time constraints aside, I think that winning some arbitary tournament by beating every possible opponent is besides the point. In the movie-manga, Touga says that Utena is the "chosen prince" (i.e. the winner) because she was the only one who could open Anthy's heart, so it's most likely a similar sort of thing heart; in the actual movie.movie, it's something like that plus the fact that Utena can still accept Anthy even while knowing her darkest secrets. As for Touga himself, [[spoiler:although he's dead, don't forget he still has enough physical presence to have sex with Shiori, among other things. Miki obviously doesn't even know him here, but it seems Juri at least knows ''of'' him (even if it's just as the boy who died saving her) so it's feasible that he could've been able to duel with her; it's also never said either way whether or not Saionji knows him in this continuity, so there's another possibility.]]]] Furthermore, it's worth bearing in mind that the duels seem to be secret in this 'verse, as Juri was surprised that Shiori knew about them, so it's not like Touga would be doing it in any kind of public view anyway. (Which then begs the question of how come Utena and Juri were duelling in public view later on, but presumably the random onlookers didn't understand what they were watching on the same level as the duellists, for want of better wording.)



*** Even if he wants distance, that's still a huge, unsupported leap of logic to go from "he wants independence" to "he murdered his sister in cold blood." Especially since turning into a car in no way means death whatsoever. Wakaba turns into a car and is fine, Utena turns into one and is fine. And even as a car, Shiori is conscious.

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*** Even if he wants distance, that's there's still a huge, unsupported leap of logic to go from "he wants independence" to "he murdered his sister in cold blood." Especially since turning into a car in no way means death whatsoever. Wakaba turns into a car and is fine, Utena turns into one and is fine. And even as a car, Shiori is conscious.
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Um, just to clarify: I never meant to imply that *I* agreed with the \"Miki killed Kozue\" thing, because I absolutely don\'t.

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** I think whether or not she ''can'' die is besides the point in that scene. The point is that [[spoiler:she ''wants'' to die]].
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***Even if he wants distance, that's still a huge, unsupported leap of logic to go from "he wants independence" to "he murdered his sister in cold blood." Especially since turning into a car in no way means death whatsoever. Wakaba turns into a car and is fine, Utena turns into one and is fine. And even as a car, Shiori is conscious.
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* This is probably a stupid question, but does the Right Stuf rerelease also have English language available, or just English subtitles?

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* This is probably a stupid question, but does the Right Stuf rerelease also have English language available, or just English subtitles?subtitles?
**It has an English dub as well as English subtitles.
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** [[spoiler: Symbolism. Before going to this duel, Anthy and Utena were having some very frank discussions about betrayal and who was betraying who. Anthy informs Utena that she was knowingly and constantly betraying Utena through their time together. Betraying a person is often referred to as stabbing them in the back, and here Anthy literally, rather than purely figuratively, is a backstabber. Notice also that a wound that should have killed Utena between being sliced and her exertion only slows her down; I don't think Anthy was actually trying to kill her so much as make a point. Anthy is on Akio's side and always has been, whatever Utena wants to think of the situation. For all her good intentions, Utena isn't very good at paying attention to what Anthy actually wants or feels. The realization floors her, but ultimately doesn't stop her because whatever Anthy did to her, the pain that Anthy's in is many times worse than her own.]]

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** [[spoiler: Symbolism. Before going to this duel, Anthy and Utena were having some very frank discussions about betrayal and who was betraying who. Anthy informs Utena that she was knowingly and constantly betraying Utena through their time together. Betraying a person is often referred to as stabbing them in the back, and here Anthy literally, rather than purely figuratively, is a backstabber. Notice also that a wound that should have killed Utena between being sliced and her exertion only slows her down; I don't think Anthy was actually trying to kill her so much as make a point. Anthy is on Akio's side and always has been, whatever Utena wants to think of the situation. For all her good intentions, Utena isn't very good at paying attention to what Anthy actually wants or feels. The realization floors her, but ultimately doesn't stop her because whatever Anthy did to her, the pain that Anthy's in is many times worse than her own.]]]]
* This is probably a stupid question, but does the Right Stuf rerelease also have English language available, or just English subtitles?

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**** Funnily enough, that probably ''is'' Hisakawa Aya's masculine voice. For contrast, see Ami from SailorMoon.

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**** Funnily enough, that probably ''is'' Hisakawa Aya's masculine voice. For contrast, see Ami from SailorMoon.''SailorMoon''.
** I think it's also because Miki hasn't quite gotten into puberty full swing, and young boys are often voiced by women.


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** [[spoiler: The interpretation that I really like is that the knife represents Nanami's utter dependence on Touga, like how Tsuwabuki's life is entirely wrapped up in worship of Nanami, which is why they both fought with two blades. By the time of Nanami's second duel she's been forced to throw that dependence away because she's realized Touga isn't, and never was, there for her, doesn't love her, and she's completely on her own. Hence, one sword.]]

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** [[spoiler: Symbolism. Before going to this duel, Anthy and Utena were having some very frank discussions about betrayal and who was betraying who. Anthy informs Utena that she was knowingly and constantly betraying Utena through their time together. Betraying a person is often referred to as stabbing them in the back, and here Anthy literally, rather than purely figuratively, is a backstabber.]]

[[spoiler: Notice also that a wound that should have killed Utena between being sliced and her exertion only slows her down; I don't think Anthy was actually trying to kill her so much as make a point. Anthy is on Akio's side and always has been, whatever Utena wants to think of the situation. For all her good intentions, Utena isn't very good at paying attention to what Anthy actually wants or feels. The realization floors her, but ultimately doesn't stop her because whatever Anthy did to her, the pain that Anthy's in is many times worse than her own.]]

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** [[spoiler: Symbolism. Before going to this duel, Anthy and Utena were having some very frank discussions about betrayal and who was betraying who. Anthy informs Utena that she was knowingly and constantly betraying Utena through their time together. Betraying a person is often referred to as stabbing them in the back, and here Anthy literally, rather than purely figuratively, is a backstabber.]]

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Notice also that a wound that should have killed Utena between being sliced and her exertion only slows her down; I don't think Anthy was actually trying to kill her so much as make a point. Anthy is on Akio's side and always has been, whatever Utena wants to think of the situation. For all her good intentions, Utena isn't very good at paying attention to what Anthy actually wants or feels. The realization floors her, but ultimately doesn't stop her because whatever Anthy did to her, the pain that Anthy's in is many times worse than her own.]]

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** [[spoiler: Symbolism. Before going to this duel, Anthy and Utena were having some very frank discussions about betrayal and who was betraying who. Anthy informs Utena that she was knowingly and constantly betraying Utena through their time together. Betraying a person is often referred to as stabbing them in the back, and here Anthy literally, rather than purely figuratively, is a backstabber.

Notice also that a wound that should have killed Utena between being sliced and her exertion only slows her down; I don't think Anthy was actually trying to kill her so much as make a point. Anthy is on Akio's side and always has been, whatever Utena wants to think of the situation. For all her good intentions, Utena isn't very good at paying attention to what Anthy actually wants or feels. The realization floors her, but ultimately doesn't stop her because whatever Anthy did to her, the pain that Anthy's in is many times worse than her own.]]

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** [[spoiler: Symbolism. Before going to this duel, Anthy and Utena were having some very frank discussions about betrayal and who was betraying who. Anthy informs Utena that she was knowingly and constantly betraying Utena through their time together. Betraying a person is often referred to as stabbing them in the back, and here Anthy literally, rather than purely figuratively, is a backstabber.

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Notice also that a wound that should have killed Utena between being sliced and her exertion only slows her down; I don't think Anthy was actually trying to kill her so much as make a point. Anthy is on Akio's side and always has been, whatever Utena wants to think of the situation. For all her good intentions, Utena isn't very good at paying attention to what Anthy actually wants or feels. The realization floors her, but ultimately doesn't stop her because whatever Anthy did to her, the pain that Anthy's in is many times worse than her own.]]
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* Question about the end of episode 38 and beginning of 39. Why did [[spoiler: Anthy stab Utena]]?

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* Question about the end of episode 38 and beginning of 39. Why did [[spoiler: Anthy stab Utena]]?Utena]]?
** [[spoiler: Symbolism. Before going to this duel, Anthy and Utena were having some very frank discussions about betrayal and who was betraying who. Anthy informs Utena that she was knowingly and constantly betraying Utena through their time together. Betraying a person is often referred to as stabbing them in the back, and here Anthy literally, rather than purely figuratively, is a backstabber.

Notice also that a wound that should have killed Utena between being sliced and her exertion only slows her down; I don't think Anthy was actually trying to kill her so much as make a point. Anthy is on Akio's side and always has been, whatever Utena wants to think of the situation. For all her good intentions, Utena isn't very good at paying attention to what Anthy actually wants or feels. The realization floors her, but ultimately doesn't stop her because whatever Anthy did to her, the pain that Anthy's in is many times worse than her own.]]
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** I took it to be both a warning and a sign of forgiveness. Anthy is warning Utena that she has and will hurt her, just like she poisoned the cookies. Utena, however, acknowledges this by saying she poisoned ''her'' in return, showing that she's still hurt over what she saw between Anthy and Akio. However, they both partake in their "deadly" treats anyway, and saying how good it tastes: saying that they forgive each other, despite the hurt. Notice how when Utena says "We'll definitely meet in ten years to laugh and drink tea", and Anthy agrees, her hand twitches in Utena's grip: at the point, she knows what she's saying is a lie, [[spoiler: because she plans to kill herself that very night.]]

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** I took it to be both a warning and a sign of forgiveness. Anthy is warning Utena that she has and will hurt her, just like she poisoned the cookies. Utena, however, acknowledges this by saying she poisoned ''her'' in return, showing that she's still hurt over what she saw between Anthy and Akio. However, they both partake in their "deadly" treats anyway, and saying how good it tastes: saying that they forgive each other, despite the hurt. Notice how when Utena says "We'll definitely meet in ten years to laugh and drink tea", and Anthy agrees, her hand twitches in Utena's grip: at the point, she knows what she's saying is a lie, [[spoiler: because she plans to kill herself that very night.]]]]
* Question about the end of episode 38 and beginning of 39. Why did [[spoiler: Anthy stab Utena]]?
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** Time constraints aside, I think that winning some arbitary tournament by beating every possible opponent is besides the point. In the movie-manga, Touga says that Utena is the "chosen prince" (i.e. the winner) because she was the only one who could open Anthy's heart, so it's most likely a similar sort of thing in the actual movie. As for Touga himself, [[spoiler:although he's dead, don't forget he still has enough physical presence to have sex with Shiori, among other things. Miki obviously doesn't even know him here, but it seems Juri at least knows ''of'' him (even if it's just as the boy who died saving her) so it's feasible that he could've been able to duel with her; it's also never said either way whether or not Saionji knows him in this continuity, so there's another possibility.]]


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*** To me, movie!Miki comes off as someone who wants to distance himself from Kozue (or perhaps more accurately, he wants to distance himself from his childhood and grow up), and so he wants "power" for that, though he still does care about his sister. I think Kozue turning into a car is a bit like her becoming a Black Rose duellist; IIRC, series!Kozue in the elevator was upset about how Miki was drifting away from her, and it's more-or-less the same thing here. Then again, I do generally tend to think of the kinds of cars that Kozue and Shiori become as being analogous to Black Rose duellists, even if movie!Shiori acts like she's basically permalocked in Black Rose mode anyway.
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*** I don't see any evidence how he is different. Kozue turned into a car because of jealousy over Miki, maybe, but all the characters in the movie are (barring Touga) still essentially the same as in the series. Miki is still the pure individual who helps Utena and Anthy in the end, and tries to break the news to Kozue about how he can't constantly spend time with her in the nicest way possible. His little "I want to gain power for myself" speech was obviously a lie, considering at every shot in that scene we see symbols of Kozue. He wants that power to revolutionize the world to help Kozue, not for himself. He would not intentionally hurt her in any way.

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*** I don't see any evidence how he is different. Kozue turned into a car because of jealousy over Miki, maybe, but all the characters in the movie are (barring Touga) still essentially the same as in the series. Utena still strives to be a prince, Anthy is still [[spoiler: a miserable StepfordSmiler]], Akio is still [[spoiler: a ManipulativeBastard and CompleteMonster]], albeit more pathetic, and Miki is still the pure individual who helps Utena and Anthy in the end, and tries to break the news to Kozue about how he can't constantly spend time with her in the nicest way possible. His little "I want to gain power for myself" speech was obviously a lie, considering at every shot in that scene we see symbols of Kozue. He wants that power to revolutionize the world to help Kozue, not for himself. He would not intentionally hurt her in any way.
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***I don't see any evidence how he is different. Kozue turned into a car because of jealousy over Miki, maybe, but all the characters in the movie are (barring Touga) still essentially the same as in the series. Miki is still the pure individual who helps Utena and Anthy in the end, and tries to break the news to Kozue about how he can't constantly spend time with her in the nicest way possible. His little "I want to gain power for myself" speech was obviously a lie, considering at every shot in that scene we see symbols of Kozue. He wants that power to revolutionize the world to help Kozue, not for himself. He would not intentionally hurt her in any way.

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