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** So, what exactly did Linguini love, if not cooking? It's never really made clear what his motivation is, if anything. That just undermines the message even more.

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** So, what exactly did Linguini love, if not cooking? It's never really made clear what his motivation is, if anything. That just undermines the message even more.more.
***Roller-skating. And being useful. We don't get the sense that Linguini is particularly leaning towards any one thing but we do know he excels at and loves to roller-skate, and the one thing he's never managed to be is useful (see: losing all those jobs), so it must have meant a lot to him to realize that he can do this.
***Alternatively he had an epiphany and realized his true calling was being a waiter. He certainly seemed happy with himself, and he seems pleased to be doing the same in his little bistro.
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** By "anyone can cook", I think the authors meant "no matter the circumstances of your birth, you should be able to do what you love."

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** By "anyone can cook", I think the authors meant "no matter the circumstances of your birth, you should be able to do what you love.""
** So, what exactly did Linguini love, if not cooking? It's never really made clear what his motivation is, if anything. That just undermines the message even more.

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* Am I really the only one bothered by the fact that the core message of the film, that "Anyone can cook," is defeated by Linguini never developing a skill for cooking and becoming nothing more than a waiter? Wouldn't the ending have been more exciting if Linguini had to cook the ratatouille himself, realizing mid-process that Collette's training had actually worked? Instead, he gets no character development whatsoever.

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** Maybe he is creepy and harsh, but that doesn't mean he's a horrible person.
* Am I really the only one bothered by the fact that the core message of the film, that "Anyone can cook," is defeated by Linguini never developing a skill for cooking and becoming nothing more than a waiter? Wouldn't the ending have been more exciting if Linguini had to cook the ratatouille himself, realizing mid-process that Collette's training had actually worked? Instead, he gets no character development whatsoever.whatsoever.
** By "anyone can cook", I think the authors meant "no matter the circumstances of your birth, you should be able to do what you love."

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* Is it ever actually explained precisely ''why'' Ego because the creepily cadaverous, cruel, CausticCritic he did? For me, the whole "he's not such a monster, really" thing falls a bit flat if they didn't explain why, then, he was acting like one.

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** Gusteau wasn't married. He wasn't even in a relationship. His relationship with Linguini's mother wouldn't have caused much of a stir, especially considering French (and European attitudes) towards sex.
* Is it ever actually explained precisely ''why'' Ego because the creepily cadaverous, cruel, CausticCritic he did? For me, the whole "he's not such a monster, really" thing falls a bit flat if they didn't explain why, then, he was acting like one.one.
* Am I really the only one bothered by the fact that the core message of the film, that "Anyone can cook," is defeated by Linguini never developing a skill for cooking and becoming nothing more than a waiter? Wouldn't the ending have been more exciting if Linguini had to cook the ratatouille himself, realizing mid-process that Collette's training had actually worked? Instead, he gets no character development whatsoever.
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** I got the feeling the reason she didn't want it known was to protect Gusteau, along the lines of, "Don't let people know the famous, well known, and family-friendly chef had an extramarital affair."

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** I got the feeling the reason she didn't want it known was to protect Gusteau, along the lines of, "Don't let people know the famous, well known, and family-friendly chef had an extramarital affair.""
* Is it ever actually explained precisely ''why'' Ego because the creepily cadaverous, cruel, CausticCritic he did? For me, the whole "he's not such a monster, really" thing falls a bit flat if they didn't explain why, then, he was acting like one.
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** Besides, humans have persecuting and murdering sentient species all throughout history. It's just this one is a Non-Human sapient spieceis.

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** Besides, humans have persecuting and murdering sentient species all throughout history. It's just this one is a Non-Human sapient spieceis.species.
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* Skinner is a bad guy for not telling Linguini about his parentage, and indeed, his reasons for hiding it are entirely selfish. But one thing that the movie doesn't really dwell on is that his mother didn't ''want'' him to know; [[NoodleIncident we don't know why she feels that way]], and maybe she would have changed her mind if she realized the truth would fix all of her son's money trouble, but we can't say for sure. One could certainly argue that he has a ''right'' to know even against her wishes--especially with the inheritance issue--but my point is that while Skinner ''was'' a JerkAss, even if he had been a nice guy there wouldn't have been a clear-cut answer about what he should have done.

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* Skinner is a bad guy for not telling Linguini about his parentage, and indeed, his reasons for hiding it are entirely selfish. But one thing that the movie doesn't really dwell on is that his mother didn't ''want'' him to know; [[NoodleIncident we don't know why she feels that way]], and maybe she would have changed her mind if she realized the truth would fix all of her son's money trouble, but we can't say for sure. One could certainly argue that he has a ''right'' to know even against her wishes--especially with the inheritance issue--but my point is that while Skinner ''was'' a JerkAss, even if he had been a nice guy there wouldn't have been a clear-cut answer about what he should have done.done.
** I got the feeling the reason she didn't want it known was to protect Gusteau, along the lines of, "Don't let people know the famous, well known, and family-friendly chef had an extramarital affair."
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** [[BeyondTheImpossible Gusteau's was just]] ''[[BeyondTheImpossible that good]]''.

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** [[BeyondTheImpossible Gusteau's was just]] ''[[BeyondTheImpossible that good]]''.good]]''.
* Skinner is a bad guy for not telling Linguini about his parentage, and indeed, his reasons for hiding it are entirely selfish. But one thing that the movie doesn't really dwell on is that his mother didn't ''want'' him to know; [[NoodleIncident we don't know why she feels that way]], and maybe she would have changed her mind if she realized the truth would fix all of her son's money trouble, but we can't say for sure. One could certainly argue that he has a ''right'' to know even against her wishes--especially with the inheritance issue--but my point is that while Skinner ''was'' a JerkAss, even if he had been a nice guy there wouldn't have been a clear-cut answer about what he should have done.
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** Also, since Django seems to only have two children, maybe we can assume that rats in this universe have more human-sized families, meaning the clan's population won't grow quite so insanely.
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** Gusteau's was just ''that good''.

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** [[BeyondTheImpossible Gusteau's was just ''that good''.just]] ''[[BeyondTheImpossible that good]]''.
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******** Comparision doesn't hold up for a number of reasons. Firstly: Remy hid his identity, and thus did nothing to 'open the door' for more rats who might have wanted to follow their dreams in human society. Armstrong might have been chiefly motivated by the desire to make great music, but if he'd bleached his skin and pretended to be white in order to play in white clubs, we'd likely not hold that up as his finest hour. Secondly: Remy and Linguini were in a rather [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility unique position to improve the condition of ratkind]], what with Remy's human communication skills, and Linguini being (at least as far as he knew) ''the only'' human to know of the sentience of rats. It's one thing to choose cooking over the crusade for social justice, but it's entirely another when the means to make a good run at [[BigDamnHeroes saving an entire sapient species]] falls into your lap and choose to ignore it because you had [[IJustWantToBeNormal less important things planned for yourself]]. Thirdly: there were in fact supporters of the civil rights movement who were disappointed with Armstrong's choice avoid offering the movement any public support. This, of course, does not make Armstrong any less of a jazz musician, but regardless of whether his choices were ultimately right or wrong, historical context does make his life story a ''little'' more complicated than what is implied by Ratatouille's Unambiguous Disney Happy Ending (and that's without the metaphorical skin bleaching).
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* It is stated that Gusteau's was a five star restaurant. Upscale French rating only has three stars.

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* It is stated that Gusteau's was a five star restaurant. Upscale French rating only has three stars.stars.
** Gusteau's was just ''that good''.
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** "[[MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail I defray the ozone in your general neighborhood!]]"

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** "[[MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail I defray the ozone in your general neighborhood!]]"neighborhood!]]"
* It is stated that Gusteau's was a five star restaurant. Upscale French rating only has three stars.
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** Reckless Endangerment (or the French equivalent) comes to mind.

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** Reckless Endangerment (or the French equivalent) comes to mind.mind.
** "[[MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail I defray the ozone in your general neighborhood!]]"
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******* Okay, in response to the above, a real life comparison. By the 1940s Louis Armstrong was recognised as the one of the greatest Jazz musicians/singers and entertainers in show business, able to command huge audiences of both whites and blacks. Yet it was still necessary for Martin Luther King to lead a civil rights movement for blacks by 1963. Now should we criticise Louis Armstrong for not doing more to fight for racial equality and 'selfishly' persuing his dream of being a jazz musician. Or should we recognise that his finally achieving his dream ''despite'' extreme prejudice is a {{CrowningMomentofAwesome}} and, incidently, doing something to push the door open for more of his people to achieve equality.
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** FridgeBrilliance: It is not like Linguini had the money to own a computer. Perhaps the restaurant has a computer, but it would not have been possible for Remy to use it without getting noticed.
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*** Remy had bread and grapes. He went to the fridge to grab some cheeses for Emile to eat with the grapes to show him how the flavors compliment each other.
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* One of Horst's explanations for why he was in jail was "I created a hole in the ozone over Avignon." Would that actually be a crime? What could they possibly charge him with?

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* One of Horst's explanations for why he was in jail was "I created a hole in the ozone over Avignon." Would that actually be a crime? What could they possibly charge him with?with?
** Reckless Endangerment (or the French equivalent) comes to mind.
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** I'd just like to point out, it was never stated exactly how Gusteau died. While suicide is a perfectly logical conclusion to come to, it was just mentioned he died shortly after Ego's review.

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** I'd just like to point out, it was never stated exactly how Gusteau died. While suicide is a perfectly logical conclusion to come to, it was just mentioned he died shortly after Ego's review.review.
* One of Horst's explanations for why he was in jail was "I created a hole in the ozone over Avignon." Would that actually be a crime? What could they possibly charge him with?
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** This is the same company which says good things about [[TheLionKing lions]], tigers (Jasmine's pet in Aladdin) and various other creatures that are surprisingly deadly. Anything can be a main character in Disney, and they made Remy so cute I could care less. (Plus it probably won't encourage children to pick up a rat and hug it, since...well, they're ''rats''. Instincts are scream on sight for most of us.) Then again, Remy being a rat could be a reference to Disney's nickname [[ClassicDisneyShorts 'The Mouse']]...which by critics is mutated to be 'The Rat'.

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** This is the same company which says good things about [[TheLionKing lions]], tigers (Jasmine's pet in Aladdin) and bears (Baloo in The Jungle Book) among various other creatures that are surprisingly deadly. Anything can be a main character in Disney, and they made Remy so cute I could care less. (Plus it probably won't encourage children to pick up a rat and hug it, since...well, they're ''rats''. Instincts are scream on sight for most of us.) Then again, Remy being a rat could be a reference to Disney's nickname [[ClassicDisneyShorts 'The Mouse']]...which by critics is mutated to be 'The Rat'.
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** This is the same company which says good things about [[TheLionKing lions]], tigers(Jasmine's pet in Aladdin) and various other creatures that are surprisingly deadly. Anything can be a main character in Disney, and they made Remy so cute I could care less. (Plus it probably won't encourage children to pick up a rat and hug it, since...well, they're ''rats''. Instincts are scream on sight for most of us.) Then again, Remy being a rat could be a reference to Disney's nickname [[ClassicDisneyShorts 'The Mouse']]...which by critics is mutated to be 'The Rat'.

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** This is the same company which says good things about [[TheLionKing lions]], tigers(Jasmine's tigers (Jasmine's pet in Aladdin) and various other creatures that are surprisingly deadly. Anything can be a main character in Disney, and they made Remy so cute I could care less. (Plus it probably won't encourage children to pick up a rat and hug it, since...well, they're ''rats''. Instincts are scream on sight for most of us.) Then again, Remy being a rat could be a reference to Disney's nickname [[ClassicDisneyShorts 'The Mouse']]...which by critics is mutated to be 'The Rat'.
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**** It wouldn't necessarily be that easy. People would be more likely to assume that it was all some clever stage trick and/or that Linguini was simply a gifted animal trainer. If they tried partnering remy up with someone beside Linguini, that other someone would likely be suspected to be "in on the trick." And even if it ''was'' accepted that Remy was intelligent, that wouldn't necessarily mean people would accept that ''all'' rats are.

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**** It wouldn't necessarily be that easy. People would be more likely to assume that it was all some clever stage trick and/or that Linguini was simply a gifted animal trainer. If they tried partnering remy Remy up with someone beside Linguini, that other someone would likely be suspected to be "in on the trick." And even if it ''was'' accepted that Remy was intelligent, that wouldn't necessarily mean people would accept that ''all'' rats are.
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******* If Pixar wanted to make a shiny, happy film about cooking rats without getting sidetracked by all that messy xenocide stuff, they [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality shouldn't have brought it up in the first place.]] Unfortunately, they ''do'' bring it up, even going so far as to let Remy's father [[StrawmanHasAPoint give a little speech about how humans kill their kind]] while standing in front of an exterminator's storefront [[NightmareFuel with dead rats hanging in the window]]. Saying that addressing this would it would have made the script longer or unfocused is missing the point; Pixar could have sidestepped the issue entirely if they wanted to, but instead they decided to milk it for drama and then ignore it later creating some distubing implications. Naturally, getting humanity to accept that [[FantasticRacism rats are people too]] would have been difficult, and any effort on the part of main characters' towards this end would not be guaranteed to succeed, but it's downright upsetting that every major character spends the entire film entirely preoccupied with their trivial personal concerns [[ItsAllAboutMe (I want to be a chef! I have a crush on my coworker! An excellent restaurant is about to go out of business!)]] with nary a thought for the ethical considerations of the deeply horrific discoveries they make during that timeframe . Besides, when important concerns that arise from the premise organically are being pushed aside to make way for less important, more contrived conflicts, that's just plain bad writing.

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******* If Pixar wanted to make a shiny, happy film about cooking rats without getting sidetracked by all that messy xenocide stuff, they [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality shouldn't have brought it up in the first place.]] Unfortunately, they ''do'' bring it up, even going so far as to let Remy's father [[StrawmanHasAPoint give a little speech about how humans kill their kind]] while standing in front of an exterminator's storefront [[NightmareFuel with dead rats hanging in the window]]. Saying that addressing this would it would have made the script longer or unfocused is missing the point; Pixar could have sidestepped the issue entirely if they wanted to, but instead they decided to milk it for drama and then ignore it later creating some distubing implications. Naturally, getting humanity to accept that [[FantasticRacism rats are people too]] would have been difficult, and any effort on the part of main characters' towards this end would not be guaranteed to succeed, but it's downright upsetting that every major character spends the entire film entirely preoccupied with their trivial personal concerns [[ItsAllAboutMe (I want to be a chef! I have a crush on my coworker! An excellent restaurant is about to go out of business!)]] with nary a thought for the ethical considerations of the deeply horrific discoveries they make during that timeframe . Besides, when important concerns that arise from the premise organically are being pushed aside to make way for less important, more contrived conflicts, that's just plain bad writing.
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*******If Pixar wanted to make a shiny, happy film about cooking rats without getting sidetracked by all that messy xenocide stuff, they [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality shouldn't have brought it up in the first place.]] Unfortunately, they ''do'' bring it up, even going so far as to let Remy's father [[StrawmanHasAPoint give a little speech about how humans kill their kind]] while standing in front of an exterminator's storefront [[NightmareFuel with dead rats hanging in the window]]. Saying that addressing this would it would have made the script longer or unfocused is missing the point; Pixar could have sidestepped the issue entirely if they wanted to, but instead they decided to milk it for drama and then ignore it later creating some distubing implications. Naturally, getting humanity to accept that [[FantasticRacism rats are people too]] would have been difficult, and any effort on the part of main characters' towards this end would not be guaranteed to succeed, but it's downright upsetting that every major character spends the entire film entirely preoccupied with their trivial personal concerns [[ItsAllAboutMe (I want to be a chef! I have a crush on my coworker! An excellent restaurant is about to go out of business!)]] with nary a thought for the ethical considerations of the deeply horrific discoveries they make during that timeframe . Besides, when important concerns that arise from the premise organically are being pushed aside to make way for less important, more contrived conflicts, that's just plain bad writing.
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** Well hey, he gets back by biting and getting a little snack from the freezer.
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*** But Linguini and Remy are clearly capable of communicating with each other to a certain extent, even if they don't share a common language. Hell, Remy can directly influence Linguini's actions via hair-pulling. Linguini might be a bit slow, but Remy's a heartless bastard if it never occurred to him to try and use this ability to stop humans from murdering his kind. Also, Remy understood written French. SoYeah.

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*** But Linguini and Remy are clearly capable of communicating with each other to a certain extent, even if they don't share a common language. Hell, Remy can directly influence Linguini's actions via hair-pulling. Linguini might be a bit slow, but Remy's a heartless bastard if it never occurred to him to try and use this ability to stop humans from murdering his kind. Also, Remy understood written French. SoYeah.

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****** Not impossible, but not exactly easy either. The problem is that you're talking about erasing several millenia of hatred and enmity, and even Anton Ego knew how hard it was to get new ideas to be accepted. You'd get a few humans willing to accept the idea, but the majority would be more skeptical and harder to convince, which means that Remy would basically have to devote his entire lifetime to work with getting the humans to understand; already a hard task. Basically, he would be swapping one boring but useful job (poison checker) to another boring but useful job (test subject on rat intelligence) -- and then it becomes a movie not about daring to dream and nurturing your talents, but about giving up your own ambitions for the greater good, even when people don't appreciate what you do. I mean, the other rats couldn't care less about humans; interacting with and behaving like humans seem to be some kind of mild taboo in rat society (note Emile saying that all with all this cooking and reading and TV watching he feels like he's aiding Remy in some kind of crime); the only reason why they helped out in the end was because of Remy. Now, admittedly, they could have made it work, but abandoning cooking and instead dedicating yourself to the betterment of inter-species relationships would probably have made for a much less focused and probably less interesting movie, that would likely cause the audience to say: "Wait, didn't he want to be a chef? Why have we spent the last twenty minutes watching him crusade for rat rights?" ...okay, I kinda went off-track there, but my main point is that it would be a ''lot harder'' to change things than simply, as an earlier troper remarked, put up a video on YouTube, and calling Remy and Linguini "selfish to the point of sociopathy" just because they don't try to take on a task bigger than both of them, that neither of them are probably qualified for (Linguini is ''not'' good with convincing people, as evident by his total failure to bring most of the chefs around) seems unnecessarily harsh.
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***** Scientists have already devised many tests of animal intelligence that Remy could easily complete with or without a human partner. Results would need to be replicated in a controlled environment, but saying it would be impossible to get the word out when Remy is so clearly of human-like intelligence is depressing. Either Remy and Linguini are selfish to the point of sociopathy, or humanity in this film really, really sucks.
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**** It wouldn't necessarily be that easy. People would be more likely to assume that it was all some clever stage trick and/or that Linguini was simply a gifted animal trainer. If they tried partnering remy up with someone beside Linguini, that other someone would likely be suspected to be "in on the trick." And even if it ''was'' accepted that Remy was intelligent, that wouldn't necessarily mean people would accept that ''all'' rats are.

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