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** RuleOfCool. Plus it also allows Enforcers to engage armored targets like rogue drones.
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** It's the designers CompletelyMissingThePoint, as is expected in a CrapSaccharineWorld.
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****** I'm pretty sure she ''sn't'' fine with it. However, unlike the two enforcers, Ginoza is entirely beyond her control - in fact their huge difference in experience at the time made him her de facto superior. She only started demanding that he treat her as an equal and criticizing his conduct in episode 9; in episodes 1 and 2 all she could do was try to justify her own.

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****** I'm pretty sure she ''sn't'' ''isn't'' fine with it. However, unlike the two enforcers, Ginoza is entirely beyond her control - in fact their huge difference in experience at the time made him her de facto superior. She only started demanding that he treat her as an equal and criticizing his conduct in episode 9; in episodes 1 and 2 all she could do was try to justify her own.
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****** I'm pretty sure she ''sn't'' fine with it. However, unlike the two enforcers, Ginoza is entirely beyond her control - in fact their huge difference in experience at the time made him her de facto superior. She only started demanding that he treat her as an equal and criticizing his conduct in episode 9; in episodes 1 and 2 all she could do was try to justify her own.
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** It allows them to identify criminals and potential criminals without letting them commit a crime. It also allows them to take action against them without needing a warrant. Also since they use dominators they can restrain or kill criminals based on how badly they have deteriorated psychologically. While it does deconstruct aspects of the system, its shown that the world has become peaceful and less stressful for everyday people.

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** It allows them to identify criminals and potential criminals without letting them commit a crime. It also allows them to take action against them without needing a warrant. Also since they use dominators they can restrain or kill criminals based on how badly they have deteriorated psychologically. While it does deconstruct aspects of the system, its shown that the world has become peaceful and less stressful for everyday people.people.
*** And that's fine to reduces stress, but it seems like it's at the cost of their lives, seeing as most of the cases we've seen are of people who relieve their stress by KILLING OTHER PEOPLE, thus covering up their trail and leaving tons of bodies. Yes, they are eventually stopped by the Enforcers, but when the system can prevent muggings and public drama but NOT dozens of murders, it seems like something the makers (or at least current handlers, depending on how long this system has been implemented) would have noticed this glaring flaw.
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* What advantages has the Sibyl System given the main characters that this universe's law system wouldn't have given them? It seems like the system is only in the story to be a hinderance. If you're going to put a radically different law system into a story, shouldn't you try to give the audience an example of how it would be BETTER to have the new system BEFORE deconstructing it?

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* What advantages has the Sibyl System given the main characters that this universe's law system wouldn't have given them? It seems like the system is only in the story to be a hinderance. If you're going to put a radically different law system into a story, shouldn't you try to give the audience an example of how it would be BETTER to have the new system BEFORE deconstructing it?it?
** It allows them to identify criminals and potential criminals without letting them commit a crime. It also allows them to take action against them without needing a warrant. Also since they use dominators they can restrain or kill criminals based on how badly they have deteriorated psychologically. While it does deconstruct aspects of the system, its shown that the world has become peaceful and less stressful for everyday people.
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*** I never said it was flawless, just that the Enforcers' status as latent criminals has yet to show any sign of inconvenience for them. Yeah, Kagari said that he was diagnosed as a kid, but we have no indication that this made his life more difficult in any way. And besides Kogami's standard "cop who gets obsessed with certain cases" cliche, none of them really seem to do anything that would imply that the title of latent criminal fits them at all because none of them get any character development

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*** I never said it was flawless, just that the Enforcers' status as latent criminals has yet to show any sign of inconvenience for them. Yeah, Kagari said that he was diagnosed as a kid, but we have no indication that this made his life more difficult in any way. And besides Kogami's standard "cop who gets obsessed with certain cases" cliche, none of them really seem to do anything that would imply that the title of latent criminal fits them at all because none of them get any character developmentdevelopment. Yayoi gets an episode of backstory, but it's not exactly pushing her character forward.
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*** I never said it was flawless, just that the Enforcers' status as latent criminals has yet to show any sign of inconvenience for them. Yeah, Kagari said that he was diagnosed as a kid, but we have no indication that this made his life more difficult in any way. And besides Kogami's standard "cop who gets obsessed with certain cases" cliche, none of them really seem to do anything that would imply that the title of latent criminal fits them at all because none of them get any character development



* How the Dominators kill off latent criminals. Why put so much power in weapons to the point where the target gets reduced to [[LudicrousGibs Ludicrous Gibs]]?

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* How the Dominators kill off latent criminals. Why put so much power in weapons to the point where the target gets reduced to [[LudicrousGibs Ludicrous Gibs]]?Gibs]]?
* What advantages has the Sibyl System given the main characters that this universe's law system wouldn't have given them? It seems like the system is only in the story to be a hinderance. If you're going to put a radically different law system into a story, shouldn't you try to give the audience an example of how it would be BETTER to have the new system BEFORE deconstructing it?
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***** So it wasn't okay to paralyze her initially, when she's in a state of panic and on the verge of doing something drastic, which nearly results in disaster, but Akane's fine with Ginoza doing so now that the victim is calm and danger has been averted?
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**** After having rewatched the full episode I see that I was mistaken when I wrote my first response: when she points the Dominator at Masaoka earlier it says "Execution at the discretion" under the coefficient and "Paralyser" in the upper right-hand corner, implying that the word "execution" is used here in the meaning of "carrying out, enforcement", not "capital punishment". Apparently the victim did become a target for elimination only when Kōgami's dominator indicated the change in her status, not before that. Having said that, I'm not sure I understand what point you are looking for in the original question. If it's about the character's motivation and in-universe justification, then Akane never intended for the woman to get paralysed and the fact that Ginoza ends up doing it anyway is completely unrelated to what she had been trying to do (namely, to get the victim to calm down without assaulting her with the Dominator). If it's about the story-telling purpose of her actions, then the end result ''wasn't'' the same. If she hadn't prevented Masaoka from paralysing the victim when he had the chance we wouldn't get to see the conflict between the idealistic newcomer who wants to protect the innocent, regardless of whether or not the Sybil System sees them as such, and the jaded veterans who have already deferred most of their judgement to the System.

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**** After having rewatched the full episode I see that I was mistaken when I wrote my first response: when she points the Dominator at Masaoka earlier it says "Execution at the discretion" under the coefficient and "Paralyser" in the upper right-hand corner, implying that the word "execution" is used here in the meaning of "carrying out, enforcement", not "capital punishment". Apparently the victim did become a target for elimination only when Kōgami's dominator indicated the change in her status, not before that. Having said that, I'm not sure I understand what point you are looking for in the original question. If it's about the character's motivation and in-universe justification, then Akane never intended for the woman to get paralysed and the fact that Ginoza ends up doing it anyway is completely unrelated to what she had been trying to do (namely, to get the victim to calm down without assaulting her with the Dominator). If it's about the story-telling purpose of her actions, then the end result ''wasn't'' the same. If she hadn't prevented Masaoka from paralysing the victim when he had the chance we wouldn't get to see the conflict between the idealistic newcomer who wants to protect the innocent, regardless of whether or not the Sybil System sees them as such, and the jaded veterans who have already deferred most of their judgement to the System. Even though the latter side eventually accomplished what it had originally intended to do, Akane managed to demonstrate both the effectiveness of her approach and her resolve in defending it.
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**** After having rewatched the full episode I see that I was mistaken when I wrote my first response: when she points the Dominator at Masaoka earlier it says "Execution at the discretion" under the coefficient and "Paralyser" in the upper right-hand corner, implying that the word "execution" is used here in the meaning of "carrying out, enforcement", not "capital punishment". Apparently the victim did become a target for elimination only when Kōgami's dominator indicated the change in her status, not before that. Having said that, I'm not sure I understand what point you are looking for in the original question. If it's about the character's motivation and in-universe justification, then Akane never intended for the woman to get paralysed and the fact that Ginoza ends up doing it anyway is completely unrelated to what she had been trying to do. If it's about the story-telling purpose,

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**** After having rewatched the full episode I see that I was mistaken when I wrote my first response: when she points the Dominator at Masaoka earlier it says "Execution at the discretion" under the coefficient and "Paralyser" in the upper right-hand corner, implying that the word "execution" is used here in the meaning of "carrying out, enforcement", not "capital punishment". Apparently the victim did become a target for elimination only when Kōgami's dominator indicated the change in her status, not before that. Having said that, I'm not sure I understand what point you are looking for in the original question. If it's about the character's motivation and in-universe justification, then Akane never intended for the woman to get paralysed and the fact that Ginoza ends up doing it anyway is completely unrelated to what she had been trying to do. do (namely, to get the victim to calm down without assaulting her with the Dominator). If it's about the story-telling purpose, purpose of her actions, then the end result ''wasn't'' the same. If she hadn't prevented Masaoka from paralysing the victim when he had the chance we wouldn't get to see the conflict between the idealistic newcomer who wants to protect the innocent, regardless of whether or not the Sybil System sees them as such, and the jaded veterans who have already deferred most of their judgement to the System.
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**** After having rewatched the full episode I see that I was mistaken when I wrote my first response: when she points the Dominator at Masaoka earlier it says "Execution at the discretion" under the coefficient and "Paralyser" in the upper right-hand corner, implying that the word "execution" is used here in the meaning of "carrying out, enforcement", not "capital punishment". Apparently the victim did become a target for elimination only when Kōgami's dominator indicated the change in her status, not before that. Having said that, I'm not sure I understand what point you are looking for in the original question. If it's about the character's motivation and in-universe justification, then Akane never intended for the woman to get paralysed and the fact that Ginoza ends up doing it anyway is completely unrelated to what she had been trying to do. If it's about the story-telling purpose,
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*** Its subtle, but its still there. The whole first episode has the bad guy ranting about it, as well as the incident with his victim. Then we have Kagari saying he was diagnosed when he was a kid. We also have the example of Makishima being a prime example of why the system is flawed. We don't really get someone explicitly saying the system is flawed till episode 13. It may have simply been subtly building up till the second half of the series, but if you pay attention its clear that the system isn't exactly flawless

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*** Its subtle, but its still there. The whole first episode has the bad guy ranting about it, as well as the incident with his victim. Then we have Kagari saying he was diagnosed when he was a kid. We also have the example of Makishima being a prime example of why the system is flawed. We don't really get someone explicitly saying the system is flawed till episode 13. It may have simply been subtly building up till the second half of the series, but if you pay attention its clear that the system isn't exactly flawless
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*** Its subtle, but its still there. The whole first episode has the bad guy ranting about it, as well as the incident with his victim. Then we have Kagari saying he was diagnosed when he was a kid. We also have the example of Makishima being a prime example of why the system is flawed. We don't really get someone explicitly saying the system is flawed till episode 13. It may have simply been subtly building up till the second half of the series, but if you pay attention its clear that the system isn't exactly flawless
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*** Then why does Masaoka say that they're going to put her to sleep and take her into custody. He doesn't strike me as the type to lie about something like that, especially since Akane just checked her own Dominator and saw the reading.

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*** Then why does Masaoka say that they're going to put her to sleep and take her into custody. custody? He doesn't strike me as the type to lie about something like that, especially since Akane just checked her own Dominator and saw the reading.
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*** Then why does Masaoka say that they're going to put her to sleep and take her into custody. He doesn't strike me as the type to lie about something like that, especially since Akane just checked her own Dominator and saw the reading.
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* Those HUGE SMILEY FACED security disguises. Wouldn't they be more likely to disturb rather than pacify?

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* Those HUGE SMILEY FACED security disguises. Wouldn't they be more likely to disturb rather than pacify?pacify?
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** She doesn't prevent him from ''paralysing'' her, she prevents him from ''executing'' her - if you look at the screen when they are scanning her it says "Target: execution" right under her coefficient. By the time Ginoza hit her Akane had managed to calm her down and the Sybil system had reclassified her to a target for non-lethal paralysis.
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*** Then isn't that only an [[InformedFlaw Informed Flaw]]? Shouldn't it be more played up?
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** Thats sorta the point, society has deemed them criminals, without them even doing anything. If anything the stress of being labelled a latent criminal causes the crime coefficient to go up more than them just being left on their own
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* I'm only on Episode 7 (11 have aired by the time I'm writing this) but something seems to keep going over my head (among a lot of other things). The Enforcers are labeled as "latent criminals", but only Kogami has ever really been known to have done anything that psychotic or harmful, and that was in a flashback. The rest of them just sort of have these labels and it's really hard to tell the difference between them any "normal" characters. Obviously the bad guys are all super crazy, but the Enforcers themselves don't really represent themselves as people with the potential to go nuts like that. Also the fact that none of the Unit One characters besides Kogami and Tsunemori have gotten ANY development. We get a look back at Ginoza's past relationship with Kogami, but that's about it. Am I missing something here?

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* I'm only on Episode 7 (11 have aired by the time I'm writing this) but something seems to keep going over my head (among a lot of other things). The Enforcers are labeled as "latent criminals", but only Kogami has ever really been known to have done anything that psychotic or harmful, and that was in a flashback. The rest of them just sort of have these labels and it's really hard to tell the difference between them any "normal" characters. Obviously the bad guys are all super crazy, but the Enforcers themselves don't really represent themselves as people with the potential to go nuts like that. Also the fact that none of the Unit One characters besides Kogami and Tsunemori have gotten ANY development. We get a look back at Ginoza's past relationship with Kogami, but that's about it. Am I missing something here?here?
* Those HUGE SMILEY FACED security disguises. Wouldn't they be more likely to disturb rather than pacify?
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* In the first episode, Akane prevents Masaoka from paralyzing a rape victim whose Hue has become cloudy. Her reasoning was that she had not done anything, and I figured it was the right choice because it would be far better to bring her in calm than to make the whole thing worse by paralyzing her, especially when it becomes clear later that the effects take a long time to wear off. However, by preventing the victim from being paralyzed, her Psycho Pass only gets cloudier, to the point of lethal levels. Akane calms her down of course, but in the end the poor girl just ends up hit by paralyzer anyway. What was the point of Akane stopping the whole process in the first place if the end result was the same?

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* In the first episode, Akane prevents Masaoka from paralyzing a rape victim whose Hue has become cloudy. Her reasoning was that she had not done anything, and I figured it was the right choice because it would be far better to bring her in calm than to make the whole thing worse by paralyzing her, especially when it becomes clear later that the effects take a long time to wear off. However, by preventing the victim from being paralyzed, her Psycho Pass only gets cloudier, to the point of lethal levels. Akane calms her down of course, but in the end the poor girl just ends up hit by paralyzer anyway. What was the point of Akane stopping the whole process in the first place if the end result was the same?same?
* I'm only on Episode 7 (11 have aired by the time I'm writing this) but something seems to keep going over my head (among a lot of other things). The Enforcers are labeled as "latent criminals", but only Kogami has ever really been known to have done anything that psychotic or harmful, and that was in a flashback. The rest of them just sort of have these labels and it's really hard to tell the difference between them any "normal" characters. Obviously the bad guys are all super crazy, but the Enforcers themselves don't really represent themselves as people with the potential to go nuts like that. Also the fact that none of the Unit One characters besides Kogami and Tsunemori have gotten ANY development. We get a look back at Ginoza's past relationship with Kogami, but that's about it. Am I missing something here?
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** It's possible he just never really bothered with it when he was young. We still don't really know much about his past.

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** It's possible he just never really bothered with it when he was young. We still don't really know much about his past.past.
*In the first episode, Akane prevents Masaoka from paralyzing a rape victim whose Hue has become cloudy. Her reasoning was that she had not done anything, and I figured it was the right choice because it would be far better to bring her in calm than to make the whole thing worse by paralyzing her, especially when it becomes clear later that the effects take a long time to wear off. However, by preventing the victim from being paralyzed, her Psycho Pass only gets cloudier, to the point of lethal levels. Akane calms her down of course, but in the end the poor girl just ends up hit by paralyzer anyway. What was the point of Akane stopping the whole process in the first place if the end result was the same?
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* Masaoka seemed surprised at the idea of Internet communities. But the story is set in the future, and he's not that old -- he would have grown up with Internet being at least as ubiquitous as nowadays. [=CommuFields=] aren't really that different from present community forums in their principle, just in technology used.

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* Masaoka seemed surprised at the idea of Internet communities. But the story is set in the future, and he's not that old -- he would have grown up with Internet being at least as ubiquitous as nowadays. [=CommuFields=] aren't really that different from present community forums in their principle, just in technology used.used.
** It's possible he just never really bothered with it when he was young. We still don't really know much about his past.
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** This, furthermore, implies that the whole Sybil System only works in [[CrapsaccharineWorld cities with good relay coverage]], and the countryside where there is no [=WiFi=] is [[CrapsackWorld effectively lawless]]...

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** This, furthermore, implies that the whole Sybil System only works in [[CrapsaccharineWorld cities with good relay coverage]], and the countryside where there is no [=WiFi=] is [[CrapsackWorld effectively lawless]]...lawless]]...
** Actually, it was explicitly said that Dominators didn't work on the factory grounds because all wireless communication from the outside was being actively blocked to prevent drones from being remotely cracked, not because there was no coverage. They worked in the vicinity of the police drone because they were connected to it by cables, and the drone was in turn cabled to the access point in the police car, just outside the factory.

* Masaoka seemed surprised at the idea of Internet communities. But the story is set in the future, and he's not that old -- he would have grown up with Internet being at least as ubiquitous as nowadays. [=CommuFields=] aren't really that different from present community forums in their principle, just in technology used.
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** This, furthermore, implies that the whole Sybil System only works in [[CrapsaccharineWorld cities with good relay coverage]], and the countryside where there is no [=WiFi=] is [[CrapsackWorld effectively lawless]]...
*** It's possible the Dominators communicate with the Sibyl System via something like satelites (episode 3 clearly shows a parabola antenna connected by wire to the carrier drone), which makes the lack of relays in episode 1 irrelevant and justifies why the cast needed to use the carrier drone as a "Wi-Fi router" because the building they were in ''blocked all external wireless signals'' by design.

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** This, furthermore, implies that the whole Sybil System only works in [[CrapsaccharineWorld cities with good relay coverage]], and the countryside where there is no [=WiFi=] is [[CrapsackWorld effectively lawless]]...
*** It's possible the Dominators communicate with the Sibyl System via something like satelites (episode 3 clearly shows a parabola antenna connected by wire to the carrier drone), which makes the lack of relays in episode 1 irrelevant and justifies why the cast needed to use the carrier drone as a "Wi-Fi router" because the building they were in ''blocked all external wireless signals'' by design.
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*** It's possible the Dominators communicate with the Sibyl System via something like satelites (episode 3 clearly shows a parabola antenna connected by wire to the carrier drone), which makes the lack of relays in episode 1 irrelevant and justifies why the cast needed to use the carrier drone as a "Wi-Fi router" because the building they were in ''blocked all wireless signals'' by design.

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*** It's possible the Dominators communicate with the Sibyl System via something like satelites (episode 3 clearly shows a parabola antenna connected by wire to the carrier drone), which makes the lack of relays in episode 1 irrelevant and justifies why the cast needed to use the carrier drone as a "Wi-Fi router" because the building they were in ''blocked all external wireless signals'' by design.
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** This, furthermore, implies that the whole Sybil System only works in [[CrapsaccharineWorld cities with good relay coverage]], and the countryside where there is no [=WiFi=] is [[CrapsackWorld effectively lawless]]...

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** This, furthermore, implies that the whole Sybil System only works in [[CrapsaccharineWorld cities with good relay coverage]], and the countryside where there is no [=WiFi=] is [[CrapsackWorld effectively lawless]]...lawless]]...
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* Relays. It is said that the block the perp ran off to in the first episode has no relays, thus the drones can't function there. However, the Dominators function just fine despite them being separated pretty far from their carrier drone. This collides with episode 3, where it is shown that they can't use both drone (specifically, the Dominator carrier ones) and Dominator because they have no network coverage (indirectly, relays) there. This implies that the whole Sybil System only works in [[CrapsaccharineWorld cities with good relay coverage]], and the countryside where there is no [=WiFi=] is [[CrapsackWorld effectively lawless]]...

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* Relays. It is said that the block the perp ran off to in the first episode has no relays, thus the drones can't function there. However, the Dominators function just fine despite them being separated pretty far from their carrier drone. This collides with episode 3, where it is shown that they can't use both drone (specifically, the Dominator carrier ones) and Dominator because they have no network coverage (indirectly, relays) there. This The building is just one rather small factory, though it is uncertain if they have signal jamming/scrambling going on (if they do, it must suck as ''it does not extend past their front door and to their parking lot''). Towards the end of the episode, the Dominators work fine in the vicinity of its carrier drone, implying that the drone is some sort of mini-relay a la [=WiFi=] routers.
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implies that the whole Sybil System only works in [[CrapsaccharineWorld cities with good relay coverage]], and the countryside where there is no [=WiFi=] is [[CrapsackWorld effectively lawless]]...
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* Relays. It is said that the block the perp ran off to in the first episode has no relays, thus the drones can't function there. However, the Dominators function just fine despite them being separated pretty far from their carrier drone. This collides with episode 3, where it is shown that they can't use both drone (specifically, the Dominator carrier ones) and Dominator because they have no network coverage (indirectly, relays) there. This implies that the whole Sybil System only works in [[CrapsaccharineWorld cities with good relay coverage]], and the countryside where there is no [=WiFi=] is [[CrapsackWorld effectively lawless]]...

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