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** It's a ''hover'' tank, designed to, get this, '''hover''' along the ground. It's not designed for full flight. These rockets aren't simply blowing their entire fuel load in one big burst to overpower gravity, like a space shuttle launching. They're expending force constantly to keep the craft aloft. The maximum altitude the craft can maintain depends entirely on how much thrust the rockets can expell continuously. The thrust can be increased to gain higher altitude for travel or pick-up, but only in short bursts as the rockets simply aren't built for the strain of providing that level of thrust indefinately. ''That's'' how rockets work (in magic unicornland).

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** It's a ''hover'' tank, designed to, get this, '''hover''' along the ground. It's not designed for full flight. These rockets aren't simply blowing their entire fuel load in one big burst to overpower gravity, like a space shuttle launching. They're expending force constantly to keep the craft aloft. The maximum altitude the craft can maintain depends entirely on how much thrust the rockets can expell continuously. The thrust can be increased to gain higher altitude for travel or pick-up, but only in short bursts as the rockets simply aren't built for the strain of providing that level of thrust indefinately. ''That's'' how rockets work (in magic unicornland).work.


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*** Admittededly, that was a hastily made, stupid post. That said, the rockets aren't supporting the entire craft's weight. They just suppliment the two huge mass effect generators on its "wings". They provide some support, but they aren't meant to hold the entire thing. When you jump, you're boosting them to the point where they do hold the bulk of the Hammerhead's weight and gain some altitude. They just aren't meant to do so indefinately and will overheat if run too long like that because they Hammerhead was built to hover along the ground. If not, they might as well have strapped a few guns on the shuttle.
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** It might have been a XanatosGambit by The Illusive Man to gain Shepard's trust: "See? The agents of the Reapers are everywhere, Shepard. You should really join Cerberus, because we totally don't torture children." Or maybe it was to show the player that Miranda is cold. Or maybe he wasn't a spy, and Miranda isn't omniscient like she thinks. SoYeah.

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** It might have been a XanatosGambit by The Illusive Man to gain Shepard's trust: "See? The agents of the Reapers are everywhere, Shepard. You should really join Cerberus, because we totally don't torture children." Or maybe it was to show the player that Miranda is cold. Or maybe he wasn't a spy, and Miranda isn't omniscient like she thinks. SoYeah.

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*** Except he acted practically the same way both times.

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*** Except he acted practically the same way both times.times.
***....yes, that's exactly what I said. His actions don't really change, but ''yours'' do depending on whether ''you're'' playing good or bad cop.
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*** Except he acted practically the same way both times.
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** Thane's acting relative to you. If you're telling him to be bad cop, its because you're being good cop. If you're telling him to be good cop, you're playing the ''really'' bad cop. It also helps that you can pretty much toss out the whole thing and start beating the crap out of the prisoner.
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** That happened way too fast to be indoctrination. According to what we've seen first hand, and what it says in the Codex, indoctrination takes at least a couple days, not a couple minutes (though it ''could'' be faster with the aid of those bugs). If it happened in mere minute, Shepard would've been indoctrinated back on the Derelict Reaper, and those people on Eden Prime would've been instant slaves, not just a little bit rattled.
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[[folder: Thane's bad cop.]]
During his loyalty mission, you have to interrogate some guy, and the Paragon choice is to tell him to be bad cop. But he just stands there and does the exact same thing as if you had told him to be good cop. What the hell? Badass assassin who's son is on the line can't even pretend to be tough? That was quite possibly the worst "bad cop" I've ever seen.

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** It's a ''hover'' tank, designed to, get this, '''hover''' along the ground. It's not designed for full flight. These rockets aren't simply blowing their entire fuel load in one big burst to overpower gravity, like a space shuttle launching. They're expending force constantly to keep the craft aloft. The maximum altitude the craft can maintain depends entirely on how much thrust the rockets can expell continuously. The thrust can be increased to gain higher altitude for travel or pick-up, but only in short bursts as the rockets simply aren't built for the strain of providing that level of thrust indefinately. ''That's'' how rockets work.

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** It's a ''hover'' tank, designed to, get this, '''hover''' along the ground. It's not designed for full flight. These rockets aren't simply blowing their entire fuel load in one big burst to overpower gravity, like a space shuttle launching. They're expending force constantly to keep the craft aloft. The maximum altitude the craft can maintain depends entirely on how much thrust the rockets can expell continuously. The thrust can be increased to gain higher altitude for travel or pick-up, but only in short bursts as the rockets simply aren't built for the strain of providing that level of thrust indefinately. ''That's'' how rockets work.work (in magic unicornland).


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**** What he said. Rockets just plain DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. You do ''not'' somehow, '''magically''', need more thrust to maintain a higher altitude. In fact, with a rocket, it's the ''exact opposite'', because gravity is (negligibly) weaker the higher you go, and rockets are, ''by definition'', not air-breathers.
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*If thermal clip technology was introduced recently in the setting (less than 2 years), and the ship Jacob's father was on crashed 10 years prior, why do enemies drop thermal clips?
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** Did you miss the fact that the building was under the control of the batarians? They were apparently taking steps to make sure you couldn't disable the missiles - probably deleting the codes or otherwise mucking with the system to keep you from being able to interfere.

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** The Flotilla is not entirely sterile. It's mentioned in the Codex that only some of the ships are sterile, and they are used for any out-of-suit activity.

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** The Flotilla is not entirely sterile. It's mentioned in the Codex that only some of the ships are sterile, and they are used for any out-of-suit activity. activity.
***And the ship you see is probably specifically for interacting with other species, so the Quarians on it have to wear suits 24/7

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**Because as an engineer I shoot fire from my hands. I don't need extra weapons.

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** If there were enough programs to make Geth smart enough to build new bodies, they'd certainly be smart enough to build some guns.

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** If there were enough programs to make Geth smart enough to build new bodies, they'd certainly be smart enough to build some guns. guns.
***And on top of that they could have just done what the malfunctioning station AI did on the virus infectioned security bots side quest (that is, kill them with the life support).


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***Legion functions without using any Geth Weaponry.
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***Exactly. And so, like any polititions, they aren't going to make an issue with a threat that isn't hurting the people (visibly). They just wanna sweep it under the rug.
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*** That's not how rockets work. Hovering 1000 meters above ground takes as much thrust as hovering 1 meter above ground, which is exactly as much as is needed to counter gravity. You only need more thrust while accelerating upwards, when you are climbing at a constant speed the thrust is again the same as when hovering. In aerodynamic flight (planes and helicopters) there is a ground effect that reduces drag considerably when flying below half the wing span, but the Hammerhead does not employ aerodynamic flight.

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*** That's not how rockets work. Hovering 1000 meters above ground takes as much thrust as hovering 1 meter above ground, which is exactly as much as is needed to counter gravity. You only need more thrust while accelerating upwards, when you stop accelerating and are climbing at a constant speed the thrust is again the same as when hovering. In aerodynamic flight (planes and helicopters) there is a ground effect that reduces drag considerably when flying below half the wing span, but the Hammerhead does not employ aerodynamic flight.
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***** In that case, what happens if someone has an unexpected suit rupture? It seems that if quarians have to live in a highly exotic environment then it would be smarter to give their whole ship the same environment as their suits just in case of an accident or emergency. Your argument seems analogous to the Space Shuttle having an atmosphere of pure nitrogen and forcing all astronauts to live inside their suits 24/7.
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*** That's not how rockets work. Hovering 1000 meters above ground takes as much thrust as hovering 1 meter above ground, which is exactly as much as is needed to counter gravity. You only need more thrust while accelerating upwards, when you are climbing at a constant speed the thrust is again the same as when hovering. In aerodynamic flight (planes and helicopters) there is a ground effect that reduces drag considerably when flying below half the wing span, but the Hammerhead does not employ aerodynamic flight.
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*If thermal clip technology was introduced recently in the setting (less than 2 years), and the ship Jacob's father was on crashed 10 years prior, why do enemies drop thermal clips?
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*In the mission with the two Alliance missiles launched at a human colony by [[CompleteMonster Batarian extremists]] (who seem to love doing [[ColonyDrop things like this]], just ask Terra Nova), you fight your way to the control computer... only to discover there's only one kill-switch code and you'll have to let one missile hit. You would think the system would automatically generate a kill code for any missile launched, but apparently not. One wonders why the Alliance bothered with a kill-switch at all if they aren't going to have enough codes to use it when they need to.
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**** An excellent point. It still probably couldn't be considered cheating, though, since technically at that point you aren't together. You have the option to get BACK together, or you can ignore it and take up with someone new. Hopefully we'll see the ramifications of this in ME3.
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*** Kaidan has the excuse that Shepard was dead, and for all he knew, Shepard wasn't going to come back to life ever. Shepard does not have that excuse, since she knows that Kaidan is still alive. And note that after you leave Horizon (and your lover finds out that you're alive), you immediately get an email stating they want to get back with you during the events of ME3.
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Not actually a fact. Do you have examples of why something is wrong?


**** That doesn't change the fact that there is something wrong there. I could just be unbelievably paranoid but other people have noticed it too. I am utterly unable to shake the feeling that Ashley/Kaiden is indoctrinated, or replaced with an evil clone, or god knows what. If they laid a hand on my Kaiden...
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***** The legal definition is defined by the respective legislative branches. As it so happens, the English speaking countries on Earth have pretty much universally used some close approximation to the legal definition as provided, but that does not mean that all legal systems are necessarily restricted to such a definition. In fact, they can reasonably define treason as whatever the heck they want to since they control their own legislative branch and therefore can use whatever legal definitions they want for their legal concepts. Obviously, when trying to express such to humans, they should pick definitions that reasonably match equivalents in English but treason is sufficiently close in this case since the legal definition within quarian culture remains within the dictionary definition.
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truely, the height of reasoned and intelligent repartee.


*** Bullshit.

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** Hyperadvanced technology aside, the Collectors have a limited amount of manpower. They had only gotten half of Horizon onboard their ship when Shepard showed up, which forced them to abandon the remainder to deal with him and later escape. Ashley and Kaidan, despite being tagged and frozen in the opening cutscene, were apparently in the lucky 50% that the Collectors didn't have time to, um, collect.

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** Hyperadvanced technology aside, the Collectors have a limited amount of manpower. They had only gotten half of Horizon onboard their ship when Shepard showed up, which forced them to abandon the remainder to deal with him and later escape. Ashley and Kaidan, despite being tagged and frozen in the opening cutscene, were apparently in the lucky 50% that the Collectors didn't have time to, um, collect.


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** Maybe the seeker bugs need to be near a Collector ship for the paralysis to work, for some technical reason. After the ship left Horizon, the effects wore off and that's how Ash/Kaidan was able to shake it off and show up at the end (that would also be why he/she wasn't able to help with the actual fight - he/she, and the rest of the colonists, was frozen until the ship actually took off). That would also explain how Mordin's seeker bug wasn't able to paralyze him - considering that the bug is almost strong enough to break the tank's glass and can "sting" through armor, it should be able to sting Mordin despite the tank arrangement, unless whatever causes the stasis is no longer functional. As far as Lilith goes, she did (finally) run away. Depending on where the Collectors started collecting, it would be possible for her to be harvested, but not Ash/Kaidan. Since Shepard saw the frozen colonists and didn't see anyone moving except the hidden mechanic, s/he probably did know or at least assumed that A/K was hit by the swarms, and just didn't get the chance to ask about it before the reunion went downhill. It would have been nice to be able to ask Mordin about that, though. He might know more about how the paralysis works. (Cross-posted from WMG.)
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*** Bullshit.
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**** That doesn't change the fact that there is something wrong there. I could just be unbelievably paranoid but other people have noticed it too. I am utterly unable to shake the feeling that Ashley/Kaiden is indoctrinated, or replaced with an evil clone, or god knows what. If they laid a hand on my Kaiden...
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** And of course, we have the recently announced DLC all about her and the Shadow Broker, promising an actual resolution to this plotline. I will be extremely dissapointed if characters who romanced her are not given some kind of closure in this. Something interesting should happen, at least.
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*** But since Geth make all decisions though consenus (which is different from majority rule), you didn't leave it up to the Geth.

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*** But since Geth geth make all decisions though consenus (which is different from majority rule), you didn't leave it up to the Geth.
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*** Actually, Legion says it ''isn't'' a math error; the Geth and heretics simply came to different conclusions. To paraphrase the analogy Legion used, the Geth came to the conclusion that 1+1=2 while the heretics concluded that 1+2=3. Both conclusions were logical and valid, but they led to different opinions. You're not correcting a math error; you're taking away their right to self-determination by purposefully brainwashing them to toe the Geth line.

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*** Actually, Legion says it ''isn't'' a math error; the Geth geth and heretics simply came to different conclusions. To paraphrase the analogy Legion used, the Geth geth came to the conclusion that 1+1=2 one is less than two while the heretics concluded that 1+2=3.two is less than 3. Both conclusions were logical and valid, but they led to different opinions. You're not correcting a math error; you're taking away their right to self-determination by purposefully brainwashing them to toe the Geth geth line.

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*** But since Geth make all decisions though consenus (which is different from majority rule), you didn't leave it up to the Geth.


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*** Actually, Legion says it ''isn't'' a math error; the Geth and heretics simply came to different conclusions. To paraphrase the analogy Legion used, the Geth came to the conclusion that 1+1=2 while the heretics concluded that 1+2=3. Both conclusions were logical and valid, but they led to different opinions. You're not correcting a math error; you're taking away their right to self-determination by purposefully brainwashing them to toe the Geth line.
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* It's obvious that it's just subjective alien tastes. Basically, what if aliens were real and saw other aliens? These three species are all humanoid, but to them, we're turianoid/salarianoid. Everybody sees what they want to see. We (humans) see asari as blue humans, because we look at the similar facial features. The head fringe looks slightly similar to the asari tentacles, in the same way that they look like hair to us, thus the turians think asari look like turians. And salarians...well that one is a bit of a stretch, but you can kinda see similarities there too, if you were looking for them.

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