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** As HornyVikings explains it, "... [[StockCostumeTraits and the horned helmets]] [[TheCoconutEffect that they never actually wore]] [[HistoryMarchesOn except for ceremonial occasions]]." StockCostumeTraits and TheCoconutEffect is in full effect.

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** As HornyVikings explains it, "... [[StockCostumeTraits and the horned helmets]] [[TheCoconutEffect that they never actually wore]] [[HistoryMarchesOn [[DatedHistory except for ceremonial occasions]]." StockCostumeTraits and TheCoconutEffect is in full effect.
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** Also, Toothless probably wasn't trying to kill the Terror, just scare it off. If Toothless wanted it dead he would of used a bigger bolt and just flash-fried the little guy.
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* Over the course of the movie Fishlegs makes several statistical phrases about the dragons and their abilities that sound somewhat like what you would hear from the popular game DungeonsAndDragons. Were they trying to go for a ItWillNeverCatchOn plot where Fishlegs will make a reference to what it would be like if they made a game about fighting dragons and exploring dungeons and no one ends up paying him any mind? That certainly has potential for quite a bit of humor in the sequel.

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* Over the course of the movie Fishlegs makes several statistical phrases about the dragons and their abilities that sound somewhat like what you would hear from the popular game DungeonsAndDragons.''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''. Were they trying to go for a ItWillNeverCatchOn plot where Fishlegs will make a reference to what it would be like if they made a game about fighting dragons and exploring dungeons and no one ends up paying him any mind? That certainly has potential for quite a bit of humor in the sequel.



*** Yeah but those stats in the Dragon Manual we see Hiccup read were written in another language, it wouldn't exactly be easy for a guy like myself who only knows English to realize that Fishlegs was quoting from the book. Well anyway thanks for clearing things up, I was honestly hoping Fishlegs being a nerd was making a reference to DungeonsAndDragons. Though I guess it would be kind of strange for that idea to come almost a thousand years early when board games weren't even in existence.

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*** Yeah but those stats in the Dragon Manual we see Hiccup read were written in another language, it wouldn't exactly be easy for a guy like myself who only knows English to realize that Fishlegs was quoting from the book. Well anyway thanks for clearing things up, I was honestly hoping Fishlegs being a nerd was making a reference to DungeonsAndDragons.''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''. Though I guess it would be kind of strange for that idea to come almost a thousand years early when board games weren't even in existence.



** It's a joke that works on two levels - on the surface, Fishlegs is quoting stats from the Dragon Manual. But to the viewers, it's clear that he's WrongGenreSavvy and thinks he's in DungeonsAndDragons.

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** It's a joke that works on two levels - on the surface, Fishlegs is quoting stats from the Dragon Manual. But to the viewers, it's clear that he's WrongGenreSavvy and thinks he's in DungeonsAndDragons.''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''.
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** It's not a continuity error at all. The body prioritizes healing from "large injuries to small ones"--[[spoiler: an amputation]] is obviously REALLY HIGH priority, while minor scrapes and cuts aren't, so they would heal more slowly. Hiccup's immune system was probably focused mostly on healing his [[spoiler: leg stump]] and once he got well enough to eat and rehabilitate, the minor cuts and scrapes would have healed up in a week or two.

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** It's not a continuity error at all. The body prioritizes healing from "large injuries "important to small ones"--[[spoiler: an not-important." If you're in poor health or injured/sick, your hair and nails are going to stop growing and often get brittle/weak while your body focuses on dealing with the biggest issue. [[spoiler: An amputation]] is obviously REALLY HIGH priority, high-priority, while minor scrapes and cuts aren't, so they aren't. So while the big injury healed as fast as possible, the little things would heal more slowly. Hiccup's immune system was probably focused mostly on healing his [[spoiler: leg stump]] and once he got well enough to eat and rehabilitate, the minor cuts and scrapes would have healed up in a week or two.
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** It's not a continuity error at all. The body prioritizes healing from "large injuries to small ones"--[[spoiler: an amputation]] is obviously REALLY HIGH priority, while minor scrapes and cuts aren't, so they would heal more slowly. Hiccup's immune system was probably focused mostly on healing his [[spoiler: leg stump]] and once he got well enough to eat and rehabilitate, the minor cuts and scrapes would have healed up in a week or two.
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*** I also remember Fishlegs saying somewhere that Meatlug doesn't like chin scratches either. I think it was the Book of Dragons short.
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** If you look at the [[WesternAnimation/HowtoTrainYourDragon2 2nd Movie]], the [[BigBad Green Death]] really has no excuses for its behaviour. Look at Valka's Bewilderbeast, the Good Alpha. It feeds its servants first before feeding itself and treats fellow dragons with respect. You don't see the Green Death doing that now do you?
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** On top of all that, remember Hiccup is the Chief's son. He'll naturally be in the spotlight more and have greater expectations put on him, so every mistake he makes will be a bigger deal. Your average Viking, like Fishlegs, could get away with being more nerdy and timid than usual as long as they did their duty. But Hiccup is expected to the strongest of them all, and instead he's the clumsy runt. So he tries to make himself the best in his own way (his inventions) but that only makes things worse.

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** On top Also don't underestimate the pressure of all that, remember Hiccup is being the Chief's son. He'll Hiccup will naturally be in the spotlight more and have greater expectations put on him, so every mistake he makes will be a bigger deal. Your average Viking, like Fishlegs, could get away with being more nerdy and timid than usual as long as they did kept their duty.head down and got on with their job. But Hiccup is expected to the strongest of them all, and instead he's the clumsy runt. So he tries to make himself the best in his own way (his inventions) but that only makes things worse.
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** The 'seeing the signs' line could refer to ''both'' Hiccup's mother and his sudden success in dragon training. A lot could have been going through Stoic's head and the combination of 'you're similar to your mother and she believed we could make peace' and 'there's no way you got that good normally' all clicked into place for him.
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** On top of all that, remember Hiccup is the Chief's son. He'll naturally be in the spotlight more and have greater expectations put on him, so every mistake he makes will be a bigger deal. Your average Viking, like Fishlegs, could get away with being more nerdy and timid than usual as long as they did their duty. But Hiccup is expected to the strongest of them all, and instead he's the clumsy runt. So he tries to make himself the best in his own way (his inventions) but that only makes things worse.
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*** I can just see it now, the smith talking to a besoted and starry eyed Stoic who, in a fit of distraction, accidently gives his measurments rather than his wife's.
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* Retractable teeth are also useful for plucking falling kids from the sky without biting their legs off...

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* ** Retractable teeth are also useful for plucking falling kids from the sky without biting their legs off...
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* Retractable teeth are also useful for plucking falling kids from the sky without biting their legs off...
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** I'd imagine having had one of your balance mechanisms essentially neutered, as well as the possible internal injuries from the crash, would ''probably'' hamper any physical activity, and adding panic onto it makes it so he'd be focusing less on "fly to get out of canyon" and more on "I'm hurting pretty bad, need to find food and let myself heal". Animals in pain aren't logical thinkers; they do whatever comes to them. Traumatic injuries like the sudden loss of a tail fin would make a dragon used to flight extremely skittish.

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*** Or that the dragons that look a lot like each other are all placed in the same genus, but different species; that's what happens with such things IRL. Like how lions and leopards are in the genus ''Panthera'', maybe Monstrous Nightmares and Boneknappers are both in the genus ''Flogapteryx'', ("flame wing"), but both dragons are separate species (''F.anaflegetai'', "ignited flame wing", for Monstrous Nightmares, ''F.ostonktitoras'', "bone taker flame wing", for the Boneknapper). Thus, dragons could be put in the following species:
***Night Furies: ''Mavropteros nychtadrakos'' ("night-winged dark fire")
***Terrible Terrors: ''Microdraco dendontia'' ("small dragon (with) no teeth")
***Monstrous Nightmares: ''Flogapteryx anaflegetai'' ("ignited flame wing")
***Gronkle: ''Onkodidraco micropterus'' ("bulky little winged dragon")
***Boneknapper: ''Flogapteryx ostonkititoras'' ("bone taker flame wing")
***Hideous Zippleback: ''Duokefalidraco meexipoda'' ("two-headed dragon (with) six legs")
***Changewing: ''Chromastrophidraco mediolopha'' ("colour-shift dragon (with) twin crests")
***Red Death: ''Titanodraco tiskatastrofis'' ("titanic dragon of destruction")
***Deadly Nadder: ''Teratodraco akidaplati'' ("spike back monster dragon")
***Timberjack: ''Xyleiasdraco chorispodia'' ("timber dragon without legs")
*** And that's only the ones off the top of my head, too.
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** In addition, no known dinosaurs can [[KillItWithFire spit fire from their jaws]], so that also strains the idea. Th dragons probably are some kind of archosaur (the leg positioning indicates such), but I doubt they're dinosaurs. Maybe dragons are some kind of radical pterosaur branch?




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** Domestication (and even breaking) are hard things to do, especially for apex predatory species (like dragons); not only is it dangerous, but it also takes a lot of time to fully domesticate any animal. Domesticating dogs alone took thousands of years; domesticating fire-breathing volant apex predators like dragons would take even ''longer''.
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** Toothless was safer there, the walls could protect him from hunting vikings and wild animals, sure he could defend himself but better to be safe. Plus it was an easy place for Hiccup to find him rather than searching through the woods full of dangerous animals.
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* Minor nitpick, but Hiccup's helmet was noticeably larger than Stoik's, yet they're supposed to be a matching pair, made from a lady's breastplate. Was this lady super lopsided, or did Gobber melt the breastplate down before reconstituting them?

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* Minor nitpick, but Hiccup's helmet was noticeably larger than Stoik's, Stoick's, yet they're supposed to be a matching pair, made from a lady's breastplate. Was this lady super lopsided, or did Gobber melt the breastplate down before reconstituting them?




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** Stoick's best friend is a blacksmith, 'nuff said.
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** Toothless has multiple scars from the rope Hiccup caught him with, it doesn't explain the rest of the movie but he does get hurt.
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** Also don't forget it is a caged match, removing one of the dragon's natural defenses it's flight. "A downed dragon is a dead dragon" is in effect here. It's also been caged up for who knows how long, so it hasn't had much exercise.
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** Maybe those six are just the only ones that get drawn in by the Queen's call. [[spoiler: or in light of the sequel maybe all the rest had a different Alpha.]]
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* When Stoik first discovers Hiccup's alliance with Toothless (after the fight with the Nightmare in the arena), he mutters about how "he should have seen the signs". Is dragon sympathy in Berk something that happens often enough that it has visible signs?

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* When Stoik Stoick first discovers Hiccup's alliance with Toothless (after the fight with the Nightmare in the arena), he mutters about how "he should have seen the signs". Is dragon sympathy in Berk something that happens often enough that it has visible signs?



** Funny thing, the [[WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon2 second movie]] actually answers this question. Turns out that Hiccup's mother also believed that humans and dragons could coexist peacefully, thus answering why Stoik would say that and the existence of dragon sympathy.
** I agree with the first answer even after watching the sequel, it seems pretty out of place for him to be thinking of Hiccup's mother at the time, he was angry and not thinking clearly, not clearly enough to remember (in his mind) insignificant details about his wife.

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** Funny thing, the [[WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon2 second movie]] actually answers this question. Turns out that Hiccup's mother also believed that humans and dragons could coexist peacefully, thus answering why Stoik Stoick would say that and the existence of dragon sympathy.
** I agree with the first answer even after watching the sequel, it seems pretty out of place for him to be thinking of Hiccup's mother at the time, he time. He was angry and not thinking clearly, not clearly enough to remember (in his mind) insignificant details about his wife.
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** I agree with the first answer even after watching the sequel, it seems pretty out of place for him to be thinking of Hiccup's mother at the time, he was angry and not thinking clearly, not clearly enough to remember (in his mind) insignificant details about his wife.
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** Alternatively, it's possible that Night Furies are more resistant to the song of the Green Death than other dragons, explaining why Toothless seems fine when he takes Hiccup and Astrid to the nest; and Toothless' participation in the raids was less due to the influence of the Green Death and more Toothless wanting to protect the other dragons by prividing aerial cover. This explains why he doesn't take any food.

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** Alternatively, it's possible that Night Furies are more resistant to the song of the Green Death than other dragons, explaining why Toothless seems fine when he takes Hiccup and Astrid to the nest; and Toothless' participation in the raids was less due to the influence of the Green Death and more Toothless wanting to protect the other dragons by prividing providing aerial cover. This explains why he doesn't take any food.
** It seems like they're mostly solo creatures, it's possible that there are other in other parts of the world they just don't interact any more than necessary.
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*** That entire group of scenes is about trust, Hiccup needs to prove to Toothless that he trusts the dragon. Which he did by disarming himself, his knife, his attention (when he was drawing rather than watching the dangerous creature hanging from a tree that could kill him with it's breath)... When he turned to look away not only is the above true in that looking in the eyes is a challenge to most animals, he's also throwing away his final defense against the dragon, his reflexes. If he can't see, he won't know if the dragon is going to attack him and he can't pull himself away or run. Hiccup spends a lot of the time in series trying to get it in people's head that training dragons is all about trust.

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*** That entire group of scenes is about trust, Hiccup needs to prove to Toothless that he trusts the dragon. Which he did by disarming himself, his knife, his attention (when he was drawing rather than watching the dangerous creature hanging from a tree that could kill him with it's breath)... When he turned to look away not only is the above true in that looking in the eyes is a challenge to most animals, he's also throwing away his final defense against the dragon, his reflexes. If he can't see, he won't know if the dragon is going to attack him and he can't pull himself away or run. Hiccup spends a lot of the time in series trying to get it in people's head that training dragons is all about trust.
trust. In that moment Hiccup was completely defenseless and Toothless is smart enough to know that that it was of his own choosing. Toothless responded to that complete trust with a little bit of his own.
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*** That entire group of scenes is about trust, Hiccup needs to prove to Toothless that he trusts the dragon. Which he did by disarming himself, his knife, his attention (when he was drawing rather than watching the dangerous creature hanging from a tree that could kill him with it's breath)... When he turned to look away not only is the above true in that looking in the eyes is a challenge to most animals, he's also throwing away his final defense against the dragon, his reflexes. If he can't see, he won't know if the dragon is going to attack him and he can't pull himself away or run. Hiccup spends a lot of the time in series trying to get it in people's head that training dragons is all about trust.
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** Well he did sort of make it... one would think he'd make it in a way that he could actually use it.
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** Astrid already had tons of screentime, honestly, I thought it was about time the other vikings had a chance to actually do something.
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** I always just figured there were scenes left out of the movie, thus the entire point of a montage, and that time passed in between the scenes, enough time that Toothless trusted Hiccup enough to let him mess around with his tail without Toothless watching him, measuring the existing tail-fin, making Toothless used to his name enough that he'd answer too it... stuff like that. More study then a simple observation.

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