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* Bearing in mind that pretty much the whole movie runs on bullshit science, there's one moment that particularly bugs me, to wit: Assume that the machine works by sucking empty space out of a given object but leaving its mass unchanged, as Wayne says. If you were to shrink, say, a 150-pound person down to the size of a gnat, wouldn't you end up with a gnat-sized person who still weighs 150 pounds? Could someone that small yet that massive even move? It can't be that Wayne was just dumbing it down for the people in his audience, either, because they're all scientists just like him.

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* Bearing in mind that pretty much the whole movie runs on bullshit pseudo science, there's one moment that particularly bugs me, to wit: Assume that the machine works by sucking empty space out of a given object but leaving its mass unchanged, as Wayne says. If you were to shrink, say, a 150-pound person down to the size of a gnat, wouldn't you end up with a gnat-sized person who still weighs 150 pounds? Could someone that small yet that massive even move? It can't be that Wayne was just dumbing it down for the people in his audience, either, because they're all scientists just like him.

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** There's a trope for that, but it's for [[CutLexLuthorACheck supervillians.]]

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** There's a trope for that, but it's for [[CutLexLuthorACheck supervillians.]]supervillains]].
*** And one for [[ReedRichardsIsUseless superheroes]].
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** Okay, I want you to think about what you've said: "Bearing in mind that pretty much the whole movie runs on bullshit science, I am unable to accept the central and primary piece of bullshit science in the movie." ... You're basically just saying you can't accept the premise of the movie. So don't watch it and don't complain, then.
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*** This can be expanded further when you consider that Nick worked out that the distance for them to get to the back door is 3.5 miles,. Now even if you take into consideration everything that happened to them throughout that walk, it still should not have taken them 1.5 days to get there.

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*** This can be expanded further when you consider that Nick worked out that the distance for them to get to the back door is 3.5 miles,.miles. Now even if you take into consideration everything that happened to them throughout that walk, it still should not have taken them 1.5 days to get there.
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*** I'm pretty sure that even if I were a complete goober who somehow managed to cure cancer, I'd be the the richest and most famous goober in the world.

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*** I'm pretty sure that even if I were a complete goober who somehow managed to cure cancer, I'd be the the richest and most famous goober in the world.
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*** Also, at no point do the parents try to speak to their shrunken children, even at a whisper. Just letting the kids know that the parents are aware of their situation and trying to find them would make them feel allot better. Though the kids couldn't respond, they could have set up some kind of 'collection point' or landmark in the yard where the tiny children could be retrieved.

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*** Also, at no point do the parents try to speak to their shrunken children, even at a whisper. Just letting the kids know that the parents are aware of their situation and trying to find them would make them feel allot a lot better. Though the kids couldn't respond, they could have set up some kind of 'collection point' or landmark in the yard where the tiny children could be retrieved.
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* Why does Sterling Labs have trouble enlarging things in ''Honey, I Blew Up the Kid''? The shrinking machine could enlarge things just fine in the end of ''Honey, I Shrunk the Kids''.
** Either they built an inferior machine or you have to tune it just right to enlarge something without making it explode. Wayne managed to enlarge a turkey at the end of the first movie, so it's clear ''he'' knows how to do it.
** It's really hard to say. On one hand Wayne isn't inspired into how to fix it until partway into the film, rather than immediately just tell them the beam was too strong, even though it was the same problem as the shrink ray. On the other hand it could be that enlarging machine at the lab works different, because Wayne was able to set up his original machine to do the same thing to enlarge Diane in short order. On the other other hand he wasn't sure if it work work properly, saying he was afraid Diane would just start randomly growing on contact to electricity rather than instantly grow to Adam's size, even though it works as intended as far as we see.
** The answer is simple. Hendrickson would not let Wayne get a word in edgewise, and he didn't give him access to the data in the lab in the first place.
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** The answer is simple. Hendrickson would not let Wayne get a word in edgewise, and he didn't give him access to the data in the lab in the first place.
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* Back to the point, yes. You'd end up with the same amount of mass in a smaller volume, which increases density (per the equation), but also effectively increases exerted pressure. It's the whole Ant-Man problem again. This means that the film would've been vastly different. First of all, the kids never would've ended up outside; if you toss a grain of rice that weighs near a hundred pounds into a trash bag, it'll go right through the plastic. If they ended up in the backyard anyway (somehow), their size to contact area ratio would mean that they'd sink into the ground and probably suffocate. (The effective ground pressure of a 5', 100lb person reduced to a "quarter inch tall" would be about 1,000 PSI. That's going to sink badly in ordinary topsoil.) Now, theoretically, they should still be able to move, but it wouldn't matter; the radical changes involved would probably completely disable their nervous systems at a minimum. But, well, I don't think Disney would've gone for that.
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** Russ also says he wants to make sure a living thing can survive the process before using it on the kids, so just using a random object wouldn't satisfy him (and Quark runs off thinking they'll try to use him as a test). Wayne at least did offer himself as a test first, but Russ insisted.


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** It's really hard to say. On one hand Wayne isn't inspired into how to fix it until partway into the film, rather than immediately just tell them the beam was too strong, even though it was the same problem as the shrink ray. On the other hand it could be that enlarging machine at the lab works different, because Wayne was able to set up his original machine to do the same thing to enlarge Diane in short order. On the other other hand he wasn't sure if it work work properly, saying he was afraid Diane would just start randomly growing on contact to electricity rather than instantly grow to Adam's size, even though it works as intended as far as we see.


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** The third movie might explain this actually. It's mentioned that a government committee declared the shrinking/enlarging machine a hazard thanks to all the mishaps that happened with it and how unreliable it was and Wayne was forbidden to use it again or further develop the technology. Which was why he had to sneak around his wife's back to shrink the Tiki head. So that's why it wasn't mass produced and used world wide. They didn't want to risk shrinking people or created more giants by accident. Then again it's also well known enough by the world in that film that the original machine was gonna be sent to the Smithsonian for display, so Wayne should be a world renowned scientist if his invention is that famous.
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*** They may have seen other ones in passing, it's just that those were the two plot-relevant ones, so they were the ones onscreen. (And actually it's three, remember the bee?) Remember this was before the advent of cheap and easy CGI... whipping up a giant insect wasn't as easy as calling up the effects guys and saying "Hey, toss a few aphids and maybe a daddy longlegs in there or something."

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*** They may have seen other ones in passing, it's just that those were the two plot-relevant ones, so they were the ones onscreen. (And actually it's three, four, remember the bee?) bee and butterfly?) Remember this was before the advent of cheap and easy CGI... whipping up a giant insect wasn't as easy as calling up the effects guys and saying "Hey, toss a few aphids and maybe a daddy longlegs in there or something."
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*** Also, at no point do the parents try to speak to their shrunken children, even at a whisper. Just letting the kids know that the parents are aware of their situation and trying to find them would make them feel allot better. Though the kids couldn't respond, they could have set up some kind of 'collection point' or landmark in the yard where the tiny children could be retrieved.


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** When the kids are recovering from being sucked up and ejected through the lawnmower, the giant blades of grass around them have been noticeably sheared at the top.
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** Also, Big Russ volunteers to be the lab rat, in such a way that he clearly will not take no for an answer.
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*** You know all of this basically works out just fine if you assume Nick was wrong. Remember that he's smart but he's not quite as smart as he thinks he is a lot of the time. They're actually much smaller but Nick messed up his original assessment and then doesn't bother to correct himself because he doesn't want to admit he's wrong, especially when no one's interested in calling him on it.

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*** You know all of this basically works out just fine if you assume Nick was wrong. Remember that he's smart but he's not quite as smart as he thinks he is a lot of the time. They're actually much smaller but Nick messed up his original assessment and then doesn't bother to correct himself because he doesn't want to admit he's wrong, especially when no one's interested in calling him on it.it.
** Red ants are big enough for being 1/4 inch and ride her back.
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*** Who said I was complaining? I never said it was a bad movie, just that I had a quibble with the science involved.
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*** This can be expanded further when you consider that Nick worked out that the distance for them to get to the back door is 3.5 miles,. Now even if you take into consideration everything that happened to them throughout that walk, it still should not have taken them 1.5 days to get there.

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*** This can be expanded further when you consider that Nick worked out that the distance for them to get to the back door is 3.5 miles,. Now even if you take into consideration everything that happened to them throughout that walk, it still should not have taken them 1.5 days to get there.there.
*** You know all of this basically works out just fine if you assume Nick was wrong. Remember that he's smart but he's not quite as smart as he thinks he is a lot of the time. They're actually much smaller but Nick messed up his original assessment and then doesn't bother to correct himself because he doesn't want to admit he's wrong, especially when no one's interested in calling him on it.
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** The RC lawnmower might have a setting for raising or lowering the blade that the kid operating it didn't know about. (Real lawnmowers do in fact have this, so you can decide how long you want your grass for its best look or whatever. It's just not as easy as pressing a button.) Since Nick didn't really show him in-detail how to use it he may have had it at its most raised setting.
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*** They may have seen other ones in passing, it's just that those were the two plot-relevant ones, so they were the ones onscreen. (And actually it's three, remember the bee?) Remember this was before the advent of cheap and easy CGI... whipping up a giant insect wasn't as easy as calling up the effects guys and saying "Hey, toss a few aphids and maybe a daddy longlegs in there or something."
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** Okay, I want you to think about what you've said: "Bearing in mind that pretty much the whole movie runs on bullshit science, I am unable to accept the central and primary piece of bullshit science in the movie." ... You're basically just saying you can't accept the premise of the movie. So don't watch it and don't complain, then.
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** He's not literally under a time constraint, but he's one of four parents whose children have been reduced to being smaller than ants, putting them in constant risk from something like an errant breeze or a mosquito or whatever. He probably wasn't feeling like he had time to do a bunch of extensive testing, even if there was no literal ticking clock.
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*** Maybe all of his money is spent on building those other dangerous untested prototypes. Does he actually ever mention having trouble finding parts for his home lab ?

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