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** Another point; the Wardens don't just let people join to save them from the Taint, they take badass types. Felix is very likable but there's no evidence he's particularly impressive in combat.
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** Corypheus was almost certainly working on his plan well before Solas gave him the orb. We're told that Solas specifically had his agents plant the orb for Corypheus to find, and it wouldn't make sense for Solas to do that unless he already had an idea of what Corypheus was planning. Giving up that orb is a big risk, and it would have been terrible for Solas if Corypheus decided he had no use for it and just locked it away somewhere. Logically, I believe what happened was something like this: Corypheus gets free of his prison and starts working on his plan to assault the heavens. He knows he needs new and powerful magic to do this. His first attempt was the very pinnacle of Tevinter magic, and all that achieved was letting a handful of people briefly enter the Fade physically. Since Tevinter magic is obviously insufficient, he has his agents start investigating ancient elven ruins. They're the only people with magical skills that are even kind of close to Tevinter's, and even a Tevinter supremacist would have to recognize that the elves achieved things they never did (Eluvians, etc.). Solas gets wind of this and plants the orb. Corypheus sees his plans suddenly become much more possible, but he has no idea that this was engineered by someone else. From his perspective this is just the culmination of the work he's already been doing. The final details of his plan only came together in a year, but the plan itself is still a years long pursuit.

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** Varric only disapproves if both Hawke sacrifices himself and you allied with Wardens instead of kicking them out of Orlais. While it's true that it was Hawke's decision to hold the line, he/she got there because of the mess caused by Wardens, so, as Varric probably sees it, his closest friend ended up ass-deep in shit and then dead because someone else fucked up everything. [[TraumaCongaLine Again.]] He must've hated the Wardens at that moment, no wonder that he'd be royally pissed with the Inquisitor allying with them. Likewise with kicking the Wardens out while you chose the Grey Warden ally to hold the line will make it look like the Inquisitor being needlessly cruel to someone who finally owned their mistakes and put Hawke out from the danger. This decision also nets Varric's disapproval as well.

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** Varric only disapproves if both Hawke sacrifices himself and you allied with Wardens instead of kicking them out of Orlais. While it's true that it was Hawke's decision to hold the line, he/she got there because of the mess caused by Wardens, so, as Varric probably sees it, his closest friend ended up ass-deep in shit and then dead because someone else fucked up everything. [[TraumaCongaLine Again.]] He must've hated the Wardens at that moment, no wonder that he'd be royally pissed with the Inquisitor allying with them.
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Likewise with kicking the Wardens out while you chose the Grey Warden ally to hold the line will make it look like the Inquisitor being needlessly cruel to someone who finally ''finally'' owned their mistakes and put Hawke out from the danger. Kicking them while they are down, the very people who indirectly saved Hawke by making them stay out of their business, is downright low. This decision also nets Varric's big disapproval as well.
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** Varric only disapproves if both Hawke sacrifices himself and you allied with Wardens instead of kicking them out of Orlais. While it's true that it was Hawke's decision to hold the line, he/she got there because of the mess caused by Wardens, so, as Varric probably sees it, his closest friend ended up ass-deep in shit and then dead because someone else fucked up everything. [[TraumaCongaLine Again.]] He must've hated the Wardens at that moment, no wonder that he'd be royally pissed with the Inquisitor allying with them.

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** Varric only disapproves if both Hawke sacrifices himself and you allied with Wardens instead of kicking them out of Orlais. While it's true that it was Hawke's decision to hold the line, he/she got there because of the mess caused by Wardens, so, as Varric probably sees it, his closest friend ended up ass-deep in shit and then dead because someone else fucked up everything. [[TraumaCongaLine Again.]] He must've hated the Wardens at that moment, no wonder that he'd be royally pissed with the Inquisitor allying with them. Likewise with kicking the Wardens out while you chose the Grey Warden ally to hold the line will make it look like the Inquisitor being needlessly cruel to someone who finally owned their mistakes and put Hawke out from the danger. This decision also nets Varric's disapproval as well.
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** Honestly, the only true retcon seems to be regarding the Dalish's handling of mages. Games ''I'' and ''II'' make it clear that the Dalish treat mages as just another member of the clan, being willing to take in extra mage children even though they already had a surplus beyond their First and Second (Lanaya and Eneirin in ''DAO''), or Dalish mage births becoming low in recent years and some clans needing to borrow spare mage children from other clans to have a First (Merrill from ''DA2''). Then ''DAI'' rolled around, and suddenly the Dalish have always had a strict "Only 3 Mages Per Clan" rule (Keeper, Keeper's First, and Keeper's Second), where they dump excess mage children onto another clan if they can, or abandon them to die in the wilderness if they can't (Minaeve and "Dalish"). Um, no. That wasn't mentioned or even hinted at in any of the previous games.

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** Honestly, the only true retcon seems to be regarding the Dalish's handling of mages. Games ''I'' and ''II'' make it clear that the Dalish treat mages as just another member of the clan, being willing to take in extra mage children even though they already had a surplus beyond their First and Second (Lanaya and Eneirin in ''DAO''), or Dalish mage births becoming low in recent years and some clans needing to borrow spare mage children from other clans to have a First (Merrill from ''DA2'').''[=DA2=]''). Then ''DAI'' rolled around, and suddenly the Dalish have always had a strict "Only 3 Mages Per Clan" rule (Keeper, Keeper's First, and Keeper's Second), where they dump excess mage children onto another clan if they can, or abandon them to die in the wilderness if they can't (Minaeve and "Dalish"). Um, no. That wasn't mentioned or even hinted at in any of the previous games.
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** There's also the fact that Felix has a low chance of even becoming a Warden if he did take the Joining. The process kills most who attempt it, leaving the survivors with all the [[BlessedWithSuck "benefits"]] of Warden life ending with becoming a ghoul anyway. Alexius being the [[OverprotectiveDad mother hen]] he is would never risk his son having to deal with the Joining.

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** There's also the fact that Felix has a low chance of even becoming a Warden if he did take the Joining. The process kills most who attempt it, leaving the survivors with all the [[BlessedWithSuck "benefits"]] of Warden life ending with becoming a ghoul anyway. Alexius being the [[OverprotectiveDad [[HelicopterParents mother hen]] he is would never risk his son having to deal with the Joining.
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** It's not just that her adopted mom tricked her into thinking one baker is racist, it's her way of reconciling how she was rejected by ''both'' sides of her heritage. Her internalized racism may be part of her upbringing, but other elves only confirmed it for her by acting like she was a race traitor for being raised in human culture. She's been forced to pick a side, and she's decided to pick the one that gave her ''some'' good memories. And as shown by her reaction to the Elven Pantheon potentially being real, when Sera decides to pick a side she goes all-in and brooks no ambiguity. It's a rather childish reaction, but then Sera's a rather childish person.
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** I thought it was pretty obviously a facet of BlueAndOrangeMorality; to humans, accepting someone born one gender deciding to be another is progressive and accepting that men and women can serve the same or similar roles is a common assumption; for the Qunari, it's the other way around. They believe that 1) the body and soul are separate, 2)the soul takes precedence, and 3)the soul's identity is rigidly defined by the Qun. The Qun attributes gender to specific roles rather than specific chromosomes, so if the body says one gender and the Qun says another, the Qun always wins. Qunari have no problem with transgender people so long as they have a role that fits their chosen gender, because in that case the Qun is saying that their soul is whatever their chosen gender is. Of course, this means that they wouldn't accept a trans person who ''still'' defies gender roles (i.e. a transman who wants to be a manager) and have trouble accepting cisgender individuals with gender-defying roles (to the Qunari, being a warrior means declaring yourself a man, which is why Sten has trouble with you being a girl at the same time and Iron Bull compartmentalizes gender based on whether or not someone's armored up), but that's a flaw with the Qun that goes beyond simple gender issues. TL;DR: Krem is a man because the Qun says he's a man, and his gonads are irrelevant.

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* [[spoiler:Red Lyrium being regular Lyrium that has the Darkspawn Taint. Does this mean the taint precedes the Darkspawn after all?]]

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* [[spoiler:Red Red Lyrium being regular Lyrium that has the Darkspawn Taint. Does this mean the taint precedes the Darkspawn after all?]]all?



** It's a bit more than that. [[spoiler: The Red Lyrium idol was found in a thaig that predates recorded dwarven history. Assuming the idol was ''always'' made of red lyrium, not just of regular lyrium that got corrupted (we get no evidence that regular lyrium can be corrupted as easily as a "regular" living organism, after all, even after discovering it's tainted lyrium, all the sources of it still come from the primeval thaig), this means the Darkspawn Taint is ''very'' old.]]

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** It's a bit more than that. [[spoiler: The Red Lyrium idol was found in a thaig that predates recorded dwarven history. Assuming the idol was ''always'' made of red lyrium, not just of regular lyrium that got corrupted (we get no evidence that regular lyrium can be corrupted as easily as a "regular" living organism, after all, even after discovering it's tainted lyrium, all the sources of it still come from the primeval thaig), this means the Darkspawn Taint is ''very'' old.]]



** [[spoiler:With ''The Descent'', we find out that Lyrium is the 'blood', so to speak, of Titans, massive beings whose 'bodies', so to speak, are beneath the Deep Roads and who contain massive caverns, miles across. As a result, it's not hard to suspect that the Red Lyrium found in ''II'' was from a Titan tainted by the Blight... and the actions of DAI have tainted a lot more Titans too...]]
** We never get any hard evidence dating the Primeval Thaig; it's assumed to be prehistoric because nothing like it is mentioned in the Memories. But [[spoiler: we learn in ''The Descent'' that the Shaperate removes dangerous or politically inconvenient information from the Memories.]] Also, the Primeval Thaig just happens to contain a staff that, according to its own FlavorText, was sealed inside of a mysteriously abandoned thaig called Valdasine Thaig. So it's possible that [[spoiler: the Primeval Thaig is Valdasine Thaig, and the Shaperate suppressed the truth about what happened there for the same reason why they presumably suppressed knowledge of the Titans--because they hoped that hiding knowledge of it would prevent people from digging it up.]]

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** [[spoiler:With With ''The Descent'', we find out that Lyrium is the 'blood', so to speak, of Titans, massive beings whose 'bodies', so to speak, are beneath the Deep Roads and who contain massive caverns, miles across. As a result, it's not hard to suspect that the Red Lyrium found in ''II'' was from a Titan tainted by the Blight... and the actions of DAI ''DAI'' have tainted a lot more Titans too...]]
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** We never get any hard evidence dating the Primeval Thaig; it's assumed to be prehistoric because nothing like it is mentioned in the Memories. But [[spoiler: we learn in ''The Descent'' that the Shaperate removes dangerous or politically inconvenient information from the Memories.]] Memories. Also, the Primeval Thaig just happens to contain a staff that, according to its own FlavorText, was sealed inside of a mysteriously abandoned thaig called Valdasine Thaig. So it's possible that [[spoiler: the Primeval Thaig is Valdasine Thaig, and the Shaperate suppressed the truth about what happened there for the same reason why they presumably suppressed knowledge of the Titans--because they hoped that hiding knowledge of it would prevent people from digging it up.]]



* Varric telling the Inquisitor [[spoiler: Bianca's story]]. He didn't tell it to Hawke (who was one of his closest friend since seven years) but he tells it to the Inquisitor?

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* Varric telling the Inquisitor [[spoiler: Bianca's story]].story. He didn't tell it to Hawke (who was one of his closest friend since seven years) but he tells it to the Inquisitor?



** He told Hawke.... when ? Because they seems to be quite static between the acts; Merrill doesn't talk to Hawke about the killer mirror until Act 2, the fact that Fenris doesn't know how to read don't come up until Act 2 too... So, why would it be different for Varric ?

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** He told Hawke.... when ? when? Because they seems to be quite static between the acts; Merrill doesn't talk to Hawke about the killer mirror until Act 2, the fact that Fenris doesn't know how to read don't come up until Act 2 too... So, why would it be different for Varric ?Varric?



** And again, if so, why doesn't Hawke know of Fenris's inability to read until three years after meeting him ? Same goes for Merrill and Isabela.

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** And again, if so, why doesn't Hawke know of Fenris's inability to read until three years after meeting him ? him? Same goes for Merrill and Isabela.



** It makes sense in the sense that you're making a purely baseless assumption when there's a perfectly reasonable alternative that you refuse to accept, presumably because it justifies your annoyance at this. They ''aren't'' static between acts. Talk to Isabela at the start of act 2 and she and Hawke talk about misadventures they got into over the last three years. In this very game, after [[spoiler: Hawke's death]], Varric will tell a story about Hawke dealing with a Carta shakedown that we never saw or heard of in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII''. More things happened to Hawke in ''II'' than we saw. You can either accept that as a reasonable and rational explanation or you can continued to be annoyed at the assumption that Varric never told Hawke the truth about Bianca. That choice is yours.

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** It makes sense in the sense that you're making a purely baseless assumption when there's a perfectly reasonable alternative that you refuse to accept, presumably because it justifies your annoyance at this. They ''aren't'' static between acts. Talk to Isabela at the start of act 2 and she and Hawke talk about misadventures they got into over the last three years. In this very game, after [[spoiler: Hawke's death]], death, Varric will tell a story about Hawke dealing with a Carta shakedown that we never saw or heard of in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII''. More things happened to Hawke in ''II'' than we saw. You can either accept that as a reasonable and rational explanation or you can continued to be annoyed at the assumption that Varric never told Hawke the truth about Bianca. That choice is yours.



** First rule. Varric lies. [[spoiler: Biggest lie he gave Cassandra? HE KNEW WHERE HAWKE WAS THE ENTIRE TIME!]]

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** First rule. Varric lies. [[spoiler: Biggest lie he gave Cassandra? HE KNEW WHERE HAWKE WAS THE ENTIRE TIME!]]TIME!



** Because the Sten is not shocked by the fact that they are cisgender women acting as men do in Qunari society, he's shocked by the fact that they still consider themselves ''women''. Qunari society defines gender around very strict gender roles. So while they consider it entirely rational that a cis woman could be better suited for "men's work" and thus be a man, they don't grasp/don't respect the concept of someone who breaks those gender roles without adopting the gender they are acting as. He basically says as much in the conversation in DA:O.

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** Because the Sten is not shocked by the fact that they are cisgender women acting as men do in Qunari society, he's shocked by the fact that they still consider themselves ''women''. Qunari society defines gender around very strict gender roles. So while they consider it entirely rational that a cis woman could be better suited for "men's work" and thus be a man, they don't grasp/don't respect the concept of someone who breaks those gender roles without adopting the gender they are acting as. He basically says as much in the conversation in DA:O.''DA:O''.



** It's definitely a retcon, not a reinterpretation. [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Sten/Dialogue Here's what Sten actually says on the topic]]. The problem I have with this scene in [=DA:I=] is two-fold. First, it's not only inconsistent with what Sten said in ''Origins'', it's inconsistent with everything we've previously learned about the Qunari. Up until now everything we've seen and heard about the Qunari, including from actual followers of the Qun, has reinforced again and again that they are strictly opposed to individuality. You are ''assigned'' a role in Qunari society from which you cannot deviate. If you don't like your role your only options are to run off into the wilderness and become Tal-Vashoth, or be "reeducated" via torture and/or chemical brainwashing. And those roles ''do'' conform along gender lines. If you disagree, explain why the Arishok had no female Qunari soldiers, or "women who identify as men" soldiers, with him in [=DA2=]. Did they all conveniently go down with the ship? So now, after two games establishing the Qunari as profoundly against individualism, all of a sudden we're told that ''in this one specific case'' individuality is A-Okay with them? Why this one case? If it's okay for a trans man to live as a man, why can't a merchant who wishes he were born a warrior be a warrior? Why do the Qunari tolerate individuality in this one instance but not others?\\

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** It's definitely a retcon, not a reinterpretation. [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Sten/Dialogue Here's what Sten actually says on the topic]]. The problem I have with this scene in [=DA:I=] ''[=DA:I=]'' is two-fold. First, it's not only inconsistent with what Sten said in ''Origins'', but it's also inconsistent with everything we've previously learned about the Qunari. Up until now everything we've seen and heard about the Qunari, including from actual followers of the Qun, has reinforced again and again that they are strictly opposed to individuality. You are ''assigned'' a role in Qunari society from which you cannot deviate. If you don't like your role your only options are to run off into the wilderness and become Tal-Vashoth, or be "reeducated" via torture and/or chemical brainwashing. And those roles ''do'' conform along gender lines. If you disagree, explain why the Arishok had no female Qunari soldiers, or "women who identify as men" soldiers, with him in [=DA2=].''[=DA2=]''. Did they all conveniently go down with the ship? So now, after two games establishing the Qunari as profoundly against individualism, all of a sudden we're told that ''in this one specific case'' individuality is A-Okay with them? Why this one case? If it's okay for a trans man to live as a man, why can't a merchant who wishes he were born a warrior be a warrior? Why do the Qunari tolerate individuality in this one instance but not others?\\



** This might be a caste thing. Sten is from the all-male soldier caste, which both he and the Arishok from VideoGame/DragonAgeII describe as practically a separate culture within the Qun to the point that they don't consider themselves qualified to speak on the rest of the society. Iron Bull is from the mixed-gender Ben-Hassrath, who's members include Tallis as the other main example. The swords-as-soul thing is explicitly pointed out as unique to the warriors and not applying to him, for instance. The Qunari might recognize Krem as a man, but Bull never says they would accept him as a ''warrior''.

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** This might be a caste thing. Sten is from the all-male soldier caste, which both he and the Arishok from VideoGame/DragonAgeII ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' describe as practically a separate culture within the Qun to the point that they don't consider themselves qualified to speak on the rest of the society. Iron Bull is from the mixed-gender Ben-Hassrath, who's members include Tallis as the other main example. The swords-as-soul thing is explicitly pointed out as unique to the warriors and not applying to him, for instance. The Qunari might recognize Krem as a man, but Bull never says they would accept him as a ''warrior''.



** "Besides, the lore says that are female engaging in male work and vice-versa." Which lore? Lore from Inquisition or something established in a previous game? And if that is the case, why did we not see any cis female warriors with the Arishok in [=DA:2=]?\\

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** "Besides, the lore says that are female engaging in male work and vice-versa." Which lore? Lore from Inquisition ''Inquisition'' or something established in a previous game? And if that is the case, why did we not see any cis female warriors with the Arishok in [=DA:2=]?\\''[=DA:2=]''?\\



** Also, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' was an incredibly limited game, well known for being rushed. We only saw female Qunari in ''Inquisition'', and that because they became one of the players race. Nowhere in the game they said: 'Oh, hey, you know why you don't see women in here? Because we believe they shouldn't be here', the point was never made, or even implied.

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** Also, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' was an incredibly limited game, well known for being rushed. We only saw female Qunari in ''Inquisition'', and that because they became one of the players player's race. Nowhere in the game they said: 'Oh, hey, you know why you don't see women in here? Because we believe they shouldn't be here', the point was never made, or even implied.



** Sten didn't hit anyone in the group, neither the rest of the Qunari in VideoGame/DragonAgeII attacked without proper reason. Please, just because you think they would not agree with women and men doing something different, that does not mean they would be uncivil about it.

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** Sten didn't hit anyone in the group, neither the rest of the Qunari in VideoGame/DragonAgeII ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' attacked without proper reason. Please, just because you think they would not agree with women and men doing something different, that does not mean they would be uncivil about it.



** That entire discussion actually came from a forum post in the Bioware Forums in the time gap between [=DA2=] and DA:I. I believe it was added just to further clarify things for the people who played the games, but didn't read the forums. Kossith is a race, but it's a race that pre-dated the Qun; Essentially, Qunari are a derivative of Kossith, but they don't consider themselves Kossith because they've moved beyond that association. Non-Qunari, non-Tal-Vashoth "Qunari" are simply called Vashoth, as mentioned in that journal entry. The only reason that term came about is because there was a term that was NEEDED to describe people that fit into that very distinct set of circumstances. (Especially with more and more Qunari completely abandoning the Qun, rather than fighting against it, as is the role of the Tal-Vashoth.)

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** That entire discussion actually came from a forum post in the Bioware Forums in the time gap between [=DA2=] ''[=DA2=]'' and DA:I.''DA:I''. I believe it was added just to further clarify things for the people who played the games, but didn't read the forums. Kossith is a race, but it's a race that pre-dated the Qun; Essentially, Qunari are a derivative of Kossith, but they don't consider themselves Kossith because they've moved beyond that association. Non-Qunari, non-Tal-Vashoth "Qunari" are simply called Vashoth, as mentioned in that journal entry. The only reason that term came about is because there was a term that was NEEDED to describe people that fit into that very distinct set of circumstances. (Especially with more and more Qunari completely abandoning the Qun, rather than fighting against it, as is the role of the Tal-Vashoth.)



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** I have to disagree. While on Hawke's level the stakes where lowered, the first minute of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' presented us a Chantry split in two with repercussions in the whole world and that Hawke was somehow responsible for this ([[spoiler:except not]]). So the whole game isn't just spent with Hawke's succes in mind but rather with the desire to see how Hawke started the split.

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** I have to disagree. While on Hawke's level the stakes where lowered, the first minute of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' presented us a Chantry split in two with repercussions in the whole world and that Hawke was somehow responsible for this ([[spoiler:except not]]). (except not). So the whole game isn't just spent with Hawke's succes success in mind but rather with the desire to see how Hawke started the split.



** There is the matter of [[spoiler:an Elven rebellion in Orlais]], the rising power of Tevinter, and the Qunari apparently preparing for another invasion. TheStinger also hints that Flemeth's endgame is fast approaching. The trials of the Dragon Age are far from over.

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** There is the matter of [[spoiler:an an Elven rebellion in Orlais]], Orlais, the rising power of Tevinter, and the Qunari apparently preparing for another invasion. TheStinger also hints that Flemeth's endgame is fast approaching. The trials of the Dragon Age are far from over.



** Even more options than that; still a couple of Old Tevinter Dragon Gods left to start a Blight(or more interestingly, get free to do WITHOUT becoming an Archdemon, allowing a glimpse into Pre-Darkspawn Tevinter Empire, I would like the opportunity to find out who the hell managed to BIND these powerful Blood Mage Dragons in the first place.) if they go blight route there are countless ways to make it different from the ''Origins'' one maybe even including Corphyeus's contemporaries, [[spoiler: Solas and/or Flemeth's plans. Even if you subscribe to the idea Solas ate Flemeth, Flemeth alluded to the ability to have MULTIPLES of herself out there so it could be a clash of worldly powers manipulated by two elven gods.]] , The Architect's plans, possibly combining with the unaccounted for First Darkspawn Magisters. The Black City actually containing something that wake up from all the Veil tearing business in DA:I is not alluded to, but not out of the realm of possibility. And those are just sequel ideas, as extensive and intricate as the history of Thedas is, they could easily have any number of games in more historically interesting times to give players of the first three games an idea of just how much is remembered and how much is lost to history.

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** Even more options than that; still a couple of Old Tevinter Dragon Gods left to start a Blight(or more interestingly, get free to do WITHOUT becoming an Archdemon, allowing a glimpse into Pre-Darkspawn Tevinter Empire, I would like the opportunity to find out who the hell managed to BIND these powerful Blood Mage Dragons in the first place.) if they go blight route there are countless ways to make it different from the ''Origins'' one maybe even including Corphyeus's contemporaries, [[spoiler: Solas and/or Flemeth's plans. Even if you subscribe to the idea Solas ate Flemeth, Flemeth alluded to the ability to have MULTIPLES of herself out there so it could be a clash of worldly powers manipulated by two elven gods.]] , The Architect's plans, possibly combining with the unaccounted for First Darkspawn Magisters. The Black City actually containing something that wake up from all the Veil tearing business in DA:I ''DA:I''' is not alluded to, but not out of the realm of possibility. And those are just sequel ideas, as extensive and intricate as the history of Thedas is, they could easily have any number of games in more historically interesting times to give players of the first three games an idea of just how much is remembered and how much is lost to history.



* As of ''Trespasser'': [[spoiler: it looks like we're gearing up to stop Solas's plan to tear down the veil, starting in or around Tevinter, which is currently mired in an all-out war with the Qunari.]]

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* As of ''Trespasser'': [[spoiler: it looks like we're gearing up to stop Solas's plan to tear down the veil, starting in or around Tevinter, which is currently mired in an all-out war with the Qunari.]] Qunari.



** Well, considering Grey Wardens usually work in units, Blackwall recruiting solo would make it practically impossible for him to perform a Joining Ceremony, as he doesn't have the means to do it (there's a certain amount of magic involved, and he's not a mage). Thus, finding recruits and sending them along to Weisshaupt (or the closest fortress/stronghold/what have you) actually seems perfectly logical. You have to remember that the circumstances surrounding the Joining ceremony in DA:O is a lot different -- it wasn't just Duncan, there were many more Grey Wardens there at the time, we just never interacted with them ourselves. So, they had the means at their disposal to actually perform the ceremony.

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** Well, considering Grey Wardens usually work in units, Blackwall recruiting solo would make it practically impossible for him to perform a Joining Ceremony, as he doesn't have the means to do it (there's a certain amount of magic involved, and he's not a mage). Thus, finding recruits and sending them along to Weisshaupt (or the closest fortress/stronghold/what have you) actually seems perfectly logical. You have to remember that the circumstances surrounding the Joining ceremony in DA:O ''DA:O'' is a lot different -- it wasn't just Duncan, there were many more Grey Wardens there at the time, we just never interacted with them ourselves. So, they had the means at their disposal to actually perform the ceremony.



* Somewhat related: why don't any of the Orlesian Wardens say something when you have a guy walking around with you, using the name of their Warden Constable, who is clearly not the same man that they'd know? You address him as Blackwall out loud, and he can even, at your request, give a rallying speech to sway the Wardens to your side. Obviously, Clarel was a bit preoccupied at the time so maybe she didn't notice, fine, but there's still everyone else. Rainier's massacre of the Orlesian lord happened in 9:37 Dragon, by the start of ''Inquisition'' it's 9:41 Dragon, and we know Rainier wasn't immediately recruited by his own account; so for no other Warden to recognize Blackwall, they'd all at least have to have undergone the Joining fewer than three years ago. ''Even assuming that's true'', there's still the matter of whichever Warden Hawke introduces you to: Loghain was sent to the Orlesian Wardens at the beginning of Awakening (9:31 Dragon), Stroud is Orlesian by birth and was recruited there, and while Alistair doesn't have a direct connection, he at least seems familiar with the group as a whole by the time of Inquisition. The Inquisitor can bring "Blackwall" to their initial meeting with the Warden and refer to him by name, but none of them question him or treat it as at all strange.

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* Somewhat related: why don't any of the Orlesian Wardens say something when you have a guy walking around with you, using the name of their Warden Constable, who is clearly not the same man that they'd know? You address him as Blackwall out loud, and he can even, at your request, give a rallying speech to sway the Wardens to your side. Obviously, Clarel was a bit preoccupied at the time so maybe she didn't notice, fine, but there's still everyone else. Rainier's massacre of the Orlesian lord happened in 9:37 Dragon, by the start of ''Inquisition'' it's 9:41 Dragon, and we know Rainier wasn't immediately recruited by his own account; so for no other Warden to recognize Blackwall, they'd all at least have to have undergone the Joining fewer than three years ago. ''Even assuming that's true'', there's still the matter of whichever Warden Hawke introduces you to: Loghain was sent to the Orlesian Wardens at the beginning of Awakening (9:31 Dragon), Stroud is Orlesian by birth and was recruited there, and while Alistair doesn't have a direct connection, he at least seems familiar with the group as a whole by the time of Inquisition.''Inquisition''. The Inquisitor can bring "Blackwall" to their initial meeting with the Warden and refer to him by name, but none of them question him or treat it as at all strange.



* Alright, so when Cassandra learns that Varric knew where Hawke was and was able to contact them all along, she is absolutely livid to the point that she tries to beat the living hell out of him. This is more due to her being angry at herself for believing his lies than anything, but still. Later, however, if Leliana was the Warden's LI, we learn that she knew where the Hero of Ferelden was the whole time. Even if she ''wasn't'' romancing them, she manages to track them down. So why is there no acknowledgement about this duplicity on Cassandra's part? I mean, wouldn't she expect Leliana, who she has known for years, and who she wasn't interrogating in a hostile manner, not to lie to her and keep a potential Inquisitor away?

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* Alright, so when Cassandra learns that Varric knew where Hawke was and was able to contact them all along, she is absolutely livid to the point that she tries to beat the living hell out of him. This is more due to her being angry at herself for believing his lies than anything, but still. Later, however, if Leliana was the Warden's LI, we learn that she knew where the Hero of Ferelden was the whole time. Even if she ''wasn't'' romancing them, she manages to track them down. So why is there no acknowledgement about acknowledgment of this duplicity on Cassandra's part? I mean, wouldn't she expect Leliana, who she has known for years, and who she wasn't interrogating in a hostile manner, not to lie to her and keep a potential Inquisitor away?



** The Elder One's plans were for the most part pretty subtle and manipulative. Having Darkspawn spreading the Taint around wouldn't really help his goals, so he preferred to surround himself with human (and elven, dwarven, etc) followers. In any case, [[spoiler: the tainted nature of the red lyrium was probably enough so that he could possess any of his followers, not just the Wardens]]. And failing that, I don't think they ever said the body-hopping had any distance limit, so even if everyone he could possess got killed, he'd just regenerate on the body of the closest Darkspawn anyway.
** Remember the Architect ? It seems he succeeded in his research.
** Perhaps he can't control Darkspawn like he can influence wardens? It could be the Architect or just the "song" of the remaining old Gods is stronger. What's really weird is that you find seemingly independent Darkspawn just wandering around above ground in the Western Approach, when they're supposed to mostly stay below ground between blights... [[spoiler:Could be foreshadowing that the "archdemon" is a fake, considering the lack of darkspawn other than the aforementioned despite its presence.]]

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** The Elder One's plans were for the most part pretty subtle and manipulative. Having Darkspawn spreading the Taint around wouldn't really help his goals, so he preferred to surround himself with human (and elven, dwarven, etc) followers. In any case, [[spoiler: the tainted nature of the red lyrium was probably enough so that he could possess any of his followers, not just the Wardens]].Wardens. And failing that, I don't think they ever said the body-hopping had any distance limit, so even if everyone he could possess got killed, he'd just regenerate on the body of the closest Darkspawn anyway.
** Remember the Architect ? Architect? It seems he succeeded in his research.
** Perhaps he can't control Darkspawn like he can influence wardens? It could be the Architect or just the "song" of the remaining old Gods is stronger. What's really weird is that you find seemingly independent Darkspawn just wandering around above ground in the Western Approach, when they're supposed to mostly stay below ground between blights... [[spoiler:Could Could be foreshadowing that the "archdemon" is a fake, considering the lack of darkspawn other than the aforementioned despite its presence.]]



** It's also possible that to recruit more Darkspawn he would have to venture further into the Deep Roads [[spoiler:possibly placing him too close to one of the remaining Old Gods.]] For all his claims of godhood, [[spoiler:he may still have too much reverence/fear of the Old Gods to risk disturbing their slumber.]] That may be the same reason he went to all of the trouble of [[spoiler:making a fake archdemon.]]
** A more simple answer is that the Elder One [[spoiler: still thinks like the human magister he used to be instead of the darkspawn he now is]]. He uses manipulation on humans and elves or demonic armies because [[spoiler: that's what he used to do originally]]. He might just not trust using darkspawn when more familiar methods exist. [[spoiler: Using Grey Wardens as his tainted hosts has more benefit to him that an obvious threat like darkspawn ever could.]]
** The Elder One doesn't really use the Taint in any capacity. The false Calling was a nightmare made by a demon, his dragon is [[spoiler:a normal dragon infected by Red Lyrium]], he has a mundane source of Red Lyrium rather than [[spoiler:just Tainting lyrium himself]]. He is Tainted, but he doesn't appear to have actually spent any amount of time studying it and learning how to control it, like the Architect or Avernus did. Even his reincarnation ability appears to be poorly understood; he never tried to create more Grey Wardens loyal to him to have spare bodies, and even completely screwed himself over by putting too much power into the dragon.

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** It's also possible that to recruit more Darkspawn he would have to venture further into the Deep Roads [[spoiler:possibly possibly placing him too close to one of the remaining Old Gods.]] Gods. For all his claims of godhood, [[spoiler:he he may still have too much reverence/fear of the Old Gods to risk disturbing their slumber.]] slumber. That may be the same reason he went to all of the trouble of [[spoiler:making making a fake archdemon.]]
archdemon.
** A more simple answer is that the Elder One [[spoiler: still thinks like the human magister he used to be instead of the darkspawn he now is]]. is. He uses manipulation on humans and elves or demonic armies because [[spoiler: that's what he used to do originally]].originally. He might just not trust using darkspawn when more familiar methods exist. [[spoiler: Using Grey Wardens as his tainted hosts has more benefit to him that an obvious threat like darkspawn ever could.]]
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** The Elder One doesn't really use the Taint in any capacity. The false Calling was a nightmare made by a demon, his dragon is [[spoiler:a :a normal dragon infected by Red Lyrium]], Lyrium, he has a mundane source of Red Lyrium rather than [[spoiler:just just Tainting lyrium himself]].himself. He is Tainted, but he doesn't appear to have actually spent any amount of time studying it and learning how to control it, like the Architect or Avernus did. Even his reincarnation ability appears to be poorly understood; he never tried to create more Grey Wardens loyal to him to have spare bodies, and even completely screwed himself over by putting too much power into the dragon.



** It's an image issue. His own forces, even once corrupted, are being fed lies concerning his goals ([[spoiler: Samson, once captured, flat out says he's been lying to his men about the nature of their endeavor]]). It's likely they would have rebelled at the sight of darkspawn. There's also a perception issue outside of his forces - along as he's using rebel mages and Templars, it looks like a cluster fuck civil war where people have to pick sides. The moment darkspawn shows up, every military force available would be aligned against him.

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** It's an image issue. His own forces, even once corrupted, are being fed lies concerning his goals ([[spoiler: Samson, (Samson, once captured, flat out says he's been lying to his men about the nature of their endeavor]]).endeavor). It's likely they would have rebelled at the sight of darkspawn. There's also a perception issue outside of his forces - along as he's using rebel mages and Templars, it looks like a cluster fuck civil war where people have to pick sides. The moment darkspawn shows up, every military force available would be aligned against him.



[[folder: Curing the Taint ?]]
* So, the Warden's gone West to discover means of preventing the Calling. This mean that nine years after meeting Avernus, a Grey warden who used his magic to survive for two Centuries and spent them experimenting to better understand the Taint, and the Architect, the darkspawn... thing... who was able to prevent the Darkspawns' Calling and even after having them work together (you can find a note in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' that has Avernus talking about the Architect's work), there STILL isn't a cure for the Taint ? Someone has an explanation ?

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[[folder: Curing the Taint ?]]
Taint?]]
* So, the Warden's gone West to discover means of preventing the Calling. This mean that nine years after meeting Avernus, a Grey warden who used his magic to survive for two Centuries and spent them experimenting to better understand the Taint, and the Architect, the darkspawn... thing... who was able to prevent the Darkspawns' Calling and even after having them work together (you can find a note in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' that has Avernus talking about the Architect's work), there STILL isn't a cure for the Taint ? Someone has Taint? Does someone have an explanation ?explanation?



** Also, experimenting with the Taint is an extremely risky venture. One attempt to take advantage of it is the reason [[spoiler:the griffons are all but extinct.]]

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** Also, experimenting with the Taint is an extremely risky venture. One attempt to take advantage of it is the reason [[spoiler:the the griffons are all but extinct.]]



* In Trespasser, Krem is one of 3 men Maryden the Bard can end up with.

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* In Trespasser, "Trespasser", Krem is one of 3 men Maryden the Bard can end up with.



** Oghren in ''Awakening'' also brings this up [[spoiler:if brought into the Fade]], saying Dwarves "sleep like the Stone". So he's understandably freaked out [[spoiler:when brought into the Fade, because he's doing something that should be ''impossible'' for his race.]]

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** Oghren in ''Awakening'' also brings this up [[spoiler:if if brought into the Fade]], Fade, saying Dwarves "sleep like the Stone". So he's understandably freaked out [[spoiler:when when brought into the Fade, because he's doing something that should be ''impossible'' for his race.]]



** If Oghren's ability to dream was caused by [[spoiler: his entering the Fade]], the same may be true for Varric. Leaving aside the events of ''Inquisition'', it is possible for Varric to [[spoiler: accompany Hawke into the Fade to rescue Feynriel]] during ''Dragon Age II''. If the events of ''Until We Sleep'' are canon, he also [[spoiler: enters the Fade with Alistair, Isabela, and Maevaris. It is unclear exactly when those events occur, but since Alistair is King of Ferelden, and no mention is made of Varric being Viscount of Kirkwall]], it is presumably some time after the end of ''Origins'', but before ''Trespasser''.
*** It's set between ''II'' and ''Inquisition''. That's why [[spoiler:Varric is already acquainted with Isabela, but Hawke isn't part of the adventure - he/she is already on the run.]]

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** If Oghren's ability to dream was caused by [[spoiler: his entering the Fade]], Fade, the same may be true for Varric. Leaving aside the events of ''Inquisition'', it is possible for Varric to [[spoiler: accompany Hawke into the Fade to rescue Feynriel]] Feynriel during ''Dragon Age II''. If the events of ''Until We Sleep'' are canon, he also [[spoiler: enters the Fade with Alistair, Isabela, and Maevaris. It is unclear exactly when those events occur, but since Alistair is King of Ferelden, and no mention is made of Varric being Viscount of Kirkwall]], Kirkwall, it is presumably some time after the end of ''Origins'', but before ''Trespasser''.
*** It's set between ''II'' and ''Inquisition''. That's why [[spoiler:Varric Varric is already acquainted with Isabela, but Hawke isn't part of the adventure - he/she is already on the run.]]



* So, this is more one that concern the entire series but, why do we only see mages getting possessed ? The ''Origins'' codex (I don't know if that's still the case in the ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' and ''Inquisition'') mentions that demons make offers to "powerful people". So why don't we see any king/general possessed? Hell, why isn't the Empress of Orlais the prey of a demon ?

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* So, this is more one that concern the entire series but, why do we only see mages getting possessed ? possessed? The ''Origins'' codex (I don't know if that's still the case in the ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' and ''Inquisition'') mentions that demons make offers to "powerful people". So why don't we see any king/general possessed? Hell, why isn't the Empress of Orlais the prey of a demon ?demon?



** If so, why don't we ever see a normal human/elf getting possessed ?
** I believe Amalia and her father from the ''Stone Prisoner'' DLC in DA:O could end up getting possessed. Plus, demons possess corpses all the time, including non-mage corpses like Sophia Dryden. They also possess animals, resulting in werewolves, and even trees, resulting in sylvans.

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** If so, why don't we ever see a normal human/elf getting possessed ?
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** I believe Amalia and her father from the ''Stone Prisoner'' DLC in DA:O ''DA:O'' could end up getting possessed. Plus, demons possess corpses all the time, including non-mage corpses like Sophia Dryden. They also possess animals, resulting in werewolves, and even trees, resulting in sylvans.



** Does anybody who isn't mage have any lucid dreams ?

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** Does anybody who isn't mage have any lucid dreams ?dreams?



** But, if so, shouldn't normal people be ''easier'' to possess ? Since they don't have control over the Fade they dreams are 'normal' and I'm pretty sure I could make a deal with a demon in my dream without consciously wanting to do so.

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** But, if so, shouldn't normal people be ''easier'' to possess ? possess? Since they don't have control over the Fade they dreams are 'normal' and I'm pretty sure I could make a deal with a demon in my dream without consciously wanting to do so.



** I just finished this quest (currently playing 2)and it seemed to me that while this was demonic possession, it wasn't ''natural'' as in, the demons were forced in the bodies of the Templars.

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** I just finished this quest (currently playing 2)and ''2'')and it seemed to me that while this was demonic possession, it wasn't ''natural'' as in, the demons were forced in the bodies of the Templars.



* What's the deal with the Warden ? Bioware said their story was over but s/he's still considered, In-Universe, as someone equal to the Inquisitor. I don't understand.
** What's so confusing? S/He saved the world from a massive threat and probably only got more powerful in the years following the Blight, but s/he probably isn't going to contribute directly to the main plot of the games from here on in. Given how many variables there were in the Warden (race, origin, romance, etc.), we're lucky to have gotten as much about him/her as we did in Inquisition.

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* What's the deal with the Warden ? Warden? Bioware said their story was over but s/he's still considered, In-Universe, as someone equal to the Inquisitor. I don't understand.
** What's so confusing? S/He saved the world from a massive threat and probably only got more powerful in the years following the Blight, but s/he probably isn't going to contribute directly to the main plot of the games from here on in. Given how many variables there were in the Warden (race, origin, romance, etc.), we're lucky to have gotten as much about him/her as we did in Inquisition.''Inquisition''.



** By the time the Warden can be contacted in Inquisition, Corypheus has revealed himself and shown that he can dominate a Grey Warden into his service. If the Hero tried to help, s/he would run the same risk as any other Warden. Best case scenario, s/he is severely hampered by having to constantly resist Corypheus's call. Worst case, Corypheus turns one of the most powerful people alive into his puppet. Either way, it was in everyone's best interest that the Hero stay far away from the action this time.

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** By the time the Warden can be contacted in Inquisition, ''Inquisition'', Corypheus has revealed himself and shown that he can dominate a Grey Warden into his service. If the Hero tried to help, s/he would run the same risk as any other Warden. Best case scenario, s/he is severely hampered by having to constantly resist Corypheus's call. Worst case, Corypheus turns one of the most powerful people alive into his puppet. Either way, it was in everyone's best interest that the Hero stay far away from the action this time.



** It's probably just a matter of aptitude. Some people just have more natural gifts, more talent, more drive to do better, more time to nurture their talents, etc. Even back in ''Origins'' there was stark contrast between the Warden Mage, a bona fide prodigy according to Irving, and their friend Jowan, a hapless guy whose own Harrowing was put off due to his lack of talent [[spoiler:and correct suspicions that he was dabbling in BloodMagic]]. In ''II'' we meet Feynriel, a mage born with rare DreamWeaver powers that can't be learned at all. Just because someone ''can'' use magic, doesn't necessarily mean they will ever be any good at it. Which really sucks when you're stuck in the middle of a rebellion that destroys the system that kept you in a secure lifestyle. The more fanatical Templars (which would be most of them at that point) would strike down a mage who can barely light a candle just as quickly as a mage able to spam fireballs. There's a reason Minaeve didn't support the rebellion. As for mages who aren't good at magic in the franchise, besides Jowan there's also the Tranquil in ''Origins'', apprentice mages who weren't confident enough to take the Harrowing and chose to be Tranquil instead. Connor, due to his youth, was also barely able to cast simple spells according to Jowan. Unfortunately, a mage doesn't need to be especially talented to be a threat, thanks to BloodMagic and demons (though resorting to that usually ends badly for the mage anyway).

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** It's probably just a matter of aptitude. Some people just have more natural gifts, more talent, more drive to do better, more time to nurture their talents, etc. Even back in ''Origins'' there was stark contrast between the Warden Mage, a bona fide prodigy according to Irving, and their friend Jowan, a hapless guy whose own Harrowing was put off due to his lack of talent [[spoiler:and and correct suspicions that he was dabbling in BloodMagic]].BloodMagic. In ''II'' we meet Feynriel, a mage born with rare DreamWeaver powers that can't be learned at all. Just because someone ''can'' use magic, doesn't necessarily mean they will ever be any good at it. Which really sucks when you're stuck in the middle of a rebellion that destroys the system that kept you in a secure lifestyle. The more fanatical Templars (which would be most of them at that point) would strike down a mage who can barely light a candle just as quickly as a mage able to spam fireballs. There's a reason Minaeve didn't support the rebellion. As for mages who aren't good at magic in the franchise, besides Jowan there's also the Tranquil in ''Origins'', apprentice mages who weren't confident enough to take the Harrowing and chose to be Tranquil instead. Connor, due to his youth, was also barely able to cast simple spells according to Jowan. Unfortunately, a mage doesn't need to be especially talented to be a threat, thanks to BloodMagic and demons (though resorting to that usually ends badly for the mage anyway).



* Solas and Dorian discuss the Orb the [[BigBad Elder One]] has, an elven artifact from the time of Arlathan called "somnaborium"[[note]]"vessels of dreams."[[/note]]. It was used by the ancient Dreamers[[note]]Somniari[[/note]], insanely powerful mages able to [[RealityWarper reshape the Fade at will]] (like Feynriel from [[VideoGame/DragonAgeII DAII]]). TheStinger reveals [[spoiler: that the Orb belongs to Solas, the Dread Wolf: he had given it to Corypheus to "awaken" it after a few centuries of inactivity]]. In the finale, the Inquisitor uses it to [[spoiler: permanently and effortlessly seal the Breach]], breaking it in the process. Judging by [[spoiler: Solas's]] reaction, it must have been a unique artifact; maybe it was the only one left, maybe it was custom-made for him.\\

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* Solas and Dorian discuss the Orb the [[BigBad Elder One]] has, an elven artifact from the time of Arlathan called "somnaborium"[[note]]"vessels of dreams."[[/note]]. It was used by the ancient Dreamers[[note]]Somniari[[/note]], insanely powerful mages able to [[RealityWarper reshape the Fade at will]] (like Feynriel from [[VideoGame/DragonAgeII DAII]]). ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeII DAII]]''). TheStinger reveals [[spoiler: that the Orb belongs to Solas, the Dread Wolf: he had given it to Corypheus to "awaken" it after a few centuries of inactivity]]. inactivity. In the finale, the Inquisitor uses it to [[spoiler: permanently and effortlessly seal the Breach]], Breach, breaking it in the process. Judging by [[spoiler: Solas's]] Solas's reaction, it must have been a unique artifact; maybe it was the only one left, maybe it was custom-made for him.\\



* If you didn't take the [[spoiler: Dark Ritual option]], is it ever mentioned who Kieran's father is ? Or why did Morrigan kept him in the first place instead of having an abortion ?

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* If you didn't take the [[spoiler: Dark dark Ritual option]], option, is it ever mentioned who Kieran's father is ? is? Or why did Morrigan kept keep him in the first place instead of having an abortion ?abortion?



* Is it ever explained how did you do to go one year in the future ? Or, more importantly how did you get back ? For going into the BadFuture I think it could be handwaved by saying that you enter the Fade then spent a year in it (surprising but still) but I don't understand how to go back in time. Also, isn't preventing the BadFuture creating a time paradox ?

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* Is it ever explained how did you do to go one year in the future ? future? Or, more importantly how did you get back ? back? For going into the BadFuture I think it could be handwaved by saying that you enter the Fade then spent a year in it (surprising but still) but I don't understand how to go back in time. Also, isn't preventing the BadFuture creating a time paradox ?paradox?



* Am I the only one who think that putting the only one who survived the Breach in jail isn't a good idea ? Granted, s/he's the only one who survived the Thedas equivalent of a nuclear explosion and thus might have something to do with it but I don't think putting them in jail is a good idea. On the same vein, isn't putting someone who forgot what the thing giving them their new power was (and thus maybe forgetting others things) in charge of the Inquisition (the last hope of all Thedas) a good idea ?[[labelnote:note]] Granted this is something that bothers me in many games but it's the first time it bothered me that much[[/labelnote]]

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* Am I the only one who think that putting the only one who survived the Breach in jail isn't a good idea ? idea? Granted, s/he's the only one who survived the Thedas equivalent of a nuclear explosion and thus might have something to do with it but I don't think putting them in jail is a good idea. On the same vein, isn't putting someone who forgot what the thing giving them their new power was (and thus maybe forgetting others things) in charge of the Inquisition (the last hope of all Thedas) a good idea ?[[labelnote:note]] idea?[[labelnote:note]] Granted this is something that bothers me in many games but it's the first time it bothered me that much[[/labelnote]]



* Am I the only one who thinks that Certainty, the sword dropped by [[spoiler:Samson]], has the wrong kind of rune pre-attached to it? It comes with a Demon-Slaying Rune. While nice, wouldn't it be more appropriate for it to come with a Corrupting Rune?

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* Am I the only one who thinks that Certainty, the sword dropped by [[spoiler:Samson]], Samson, has the wrong kind of rune pre-attached to it? It comes with a Demon-Slaying Rune. While nice, wouldn't it be more appropriate for it to come with a Corrupting Rune?



** It makes a fair amount of sense, actually; the plan to [[spoiler: bind demons to the Grey Wardens]] has fallen apart and the Elder One has no control over the Rifts, and [[spoiler: Samson]] has his super-powerful armor. From his perspective, demons are the only things that actually pose a legitimate threat to him: with normal people and animals it doesn't matter how strong they are, the only thing that changes is how long they last before he cuts them down. Demons, on the other hand, are capable of all kinds of horrible things, so it's prudent to focus on killing them as quickly as possible.
** Plus, Samson still sees himself as a Templar first, and the primary enemies of a Templar are demons. Plus [[spoiler: with the Grey Wardens summoning demons]] and the Breach spewing demons everywhere, he'd be seeing a lot more demons around and would need to be ready for them.

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** It makes a fair amount of sense, actually; the plan to [[spoiler: bind demons to the Grey Wardens]] Wardens has fallen apart and the Elder One has no control over the Rifts, and [[spoiler: Samson]] Samson has his super-powerful armor. From his perspective, demons are the only things that actually pose a legitimate threat to him: with normal people and animals it doesn't matter how strong they are, the only thing that changes is how long they last before he cuts them down. Demons, on the other hand, are capable of all kinds of horrible things, so it's prudent to focus on killing them as quickly as possible.
** Plus, Samson still sees himself as a Templar first, and the primary enemies of a Templar are demons. Plus [[spoiler: with the Grey Wardens summoning demons]] demons and the Breach spewing demons everywhere, he'd be seeing a lot more demons around and would need to be ready for them.



** It did mention his/her family dying. Besides, Hawke being upset about indirectly contributing to Kirkwall's near destruction and the Mage/Templar War makes perfect sense. Beyond living in the city long enough to grow somewhat attached to it, Hawke was named the Champion: Kirkwall's greatest protector. Then it all fell apart while s/he was on watch, destroyed by extremists, some of which Hawke supported (Anders, Meredith, Orsino, etc.). Worse, after at least three years on the run, Hawke probably had the same realization that anybody playing DAII did: the worst of the chaos and destruction could have been avoided if Hawke had just been more proactive rather than passively wait until somebody else told them what to do like a glorified mercenary. Hawke knows that s/he was a complete [[FailureHero failure as a hero]] and watched as all the good s/he did unraveled even before Anders' bomb. Doing the best that they could only makes it worse because it shows that they, the Champion of Kirkwall, was just some lucky refugee only good for killing things. Throw in the fact that the world itself is now threatened by an enemy Hawke failed to put down and is it any wonder why s/he would have a self-esteem problem after all that?

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** It did mention his/her family dying. Besides, Hawke being upset about indirectly contributing to Kirkwall's near destruction and the Mage/Templar War makes perfect sense. Beyond living in the city long enough to grow somewhat attached to it, Hawke was named the Champion: Kirkwall's greatest protector. Then it all fell apart while s/he was on watch, destroyed by extremists, some of which Hawke supported (Anders, Meredith, Orsino, etc.). Worse, after at least three years on the run, Hawke probably had the same realization that anybody playing DAII ''DAII'' did: the worst of the chaos and destruction could have been avoided if Hawke had just been more proactive rather than passively wait until somebody else told them what to do like a glorified mercenary. Hawke knows that s/he was a complete [[FailureHero failure as a hero]] and watched as all the good s/he did unraveled even before Anders' bomb. Doing the best that they could only makes it worse because it shows that they, the Champion of Kirkwall, was just some lucky refugee only good for killing things. Throw in the fact that the world itself is now threatened by an enemy Hawke failed to put down and is it any wonder why s/he would have a self-esteem problem after all that?



** Solas betraying Corypheus somehow would be perfectly in-line with what we know about the [[spoiler: Dread Wolf]], so that would be a plus.

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** Solas betraying Corypheus somehow would be perfectly in-line with what we know about the [[spoiler: Dread Wolf]], Wolf, so that would be a plus.



** First off, Solas has no reason to lie to [[spoiler: Flemeth]] when the two are alone, and he casts the decision as a horrifically bad decision in that scene. Second off, the inquisitor stumbled onto Corypheus' attempted sacrifice of the Divine by complete accident. As Solas was in a nearby village at the time, there was no way he would have known about this beforehand.
* The truth is: [[spoiler: Solas intended for Corypheus to unseal the power in the Orb...and then to be [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killed by the resulting explosion.]] What Solas didn't count on was Corypheus' revival trick.]] [[/folder]]

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** First off, Solas has no reason to lie to [[spoiler: Flemeth]] Flemeth when the two are alone, and he casts the decision as a horrifically bad decision in that scene. Second off, the inquisitor stumbled onto Corypheus' attempted sacrifice of the Divine by complete accident. As Solas was in a nearby village at the time, there was no way he would have known about this beforehand.
* The truth is: [[spoiler: Solas intended for Corypheus to unseal the power in the Orb...and then to be [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killed by the resulting explosion.]] What Solas didn't count on was Corypheus' revival trick.]] [[/folder]]



** It is possible to suggest this option. It is quickly shut down because the power and knowledge of the Well is simply too great an advantage to pass up, and against a seemingly unkillable monster like Corypheus, the Inquisition needs every advantage it can get. This is something Morrigan ''and'' Solas agree can agree on. They both even agree that Morrigan should be the one to drink from it [[spoiler:though that's because Solas knows exactly what will happen to whoever drinks from it.]] As for Abelas, it seems like he has ''already'' drunk from the Well and is already bound to Mythal. Assuming he isn't just killed, Abelas will trust the Well's fate to you because he can sense your cause is righteous. Abelas may also simply be weary of his burden -- I imagine watching your fellow Sentinels dwindle in number while guarding a relic of a civilization that was already lost long ago gets old after the first few millennia. [[/folder]]

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** It is possible to suggest this option. It is quickly shut down because the power and knowledge of the Well is simply too great an advantage to pass up, and against a seemingly unkillable monster like Corypheus, the Inquisition needs every advantage it can get. This is something Morrigan ''and'' Solas agree can agree on. They both even agree that Morrigan should be the one to drink from it [[spoiler:though though that's because Solas knows exactly what will happen to whoever drinks from it.]] it. As for Abelas, it seems like he has ''already'' drunk from the Well and is already bound to Mythal. Assuming he isn't just killed, Abelas will trust the Well's fate to you because he can sense your cause is righteous. Abelas may also simply be weary of his burden -- I imagine watching your fellow Sentinels dwindle in number while guarding a relic of a civilization that was already lost long ago gets old after the first few millennia. [[/folder]]



* Why the retcon of all the Elven mythos ? I found that the little bit of elven myths we were given in the previous games were fine as they were, why Retcon everything ? And i mean Retcon because there was no foreshadowing whatsoever about this plot twist. I know that these things are supposed to be shocking when they're revealed but usually there's at least a few clues that it might be the case. So, why retcon everything we ever knew about the Dalish ?

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* Why the retcon of all the Elven mythos ? mythos? I found that the little bit of elven myths we were given in the previous games were fine as they were, why Retcon everything ? everything? And i I mean Retcon because there was no foreshadowing whatsoever about this plot twist. I know that these things are supposed to be shocking when they're revealed but usually there's there are at least a few clues that it might be the case. So, why retcon everything we ever knew about the Dalish ?Dalish?



** Also, can you really call it rectoning when we were given so little to work with in the first place? This isn't extraordinarily different from what they've done with Andraste and any other religion we've seen in the DA-verse. We are presented with several conflicting theories, all varying levels of belief and support: Andraste is the bride of the Maker. Andraste was a powerful mage. Andraste was a powerful mage, but ''still'' divine. Elven mythos wasn't so much retconned as it was given additional information/an alternative explanation. And much of the bare bones of we know is still uncontested (or even supported) by what was revealed in Inquisition: Elven gods existed in some shape or form. Elves were innately immortal. Fen'Harel sealed the Creators and the forgotten ones away. Arlathan fell to Tevinter without their gods. If anything, I find that this adds greater depth to the world than "elves were perfect and sparkly and they had some gods and now they are gone through no fault of their own."

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** Also, can you really call it rectoning when we were given so little to work with in the first place? This isn't extraordinarily different from what they've done with Andraste and any other religion we've seen in the DA-verse. We are presented with several conflicting theories, all varying levels of belief and support: Andraste is the bride of the Maker. Andraste was a powerful mage. Andraste was a powerful mage, but ''still'' divine. Elven mythos wasn't so much retconned as it was given additional information/an alternative explanation. And much of the bare bones of we know is still uncontested (or even supported) by what was revealed in Inquisition: ''Inquisition'': Elven gods existed in some shape or form. Elves were innately immortal. Fen'Harel sealed the Creators and the forgotten ones away. Arlathan fell to Tevinter without their gods. If anything, I find that this adds greater depth to the world than "elves were perfect and sparkly and they had some gods and now they are gone through no fault of their own."



** Honestly, the only true retcon seems to be regarding the Dalish's handling of mages. Games I and II make it clear that the Dalish treat mages as just another member of the clan, being willing to take in extra mage children even though they already had a surplus beyond their First and Second (Lanaya and Eneirin in DAO), or Dalish mage births becoming low in recent years and some clans needing to borrow spare mage children from other clans to have a First (Merrill from DA 2). Then DAI rolled around, and suddenly the Dalish have always had a strict "Only 3 Mages Per Clan" rule (Keeper, Keeper's First, and Keeper's Second), where they dump excess mage children onto another clan if they can, or abandon them to die in the wilderness if they can't (Minaeve and "Dalish"). Um, no. That wasn't mentioned or even hinted at in any of the previous games.

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** Honestly, the only true retcon seems to be regarding the Dalish's handling of mages. Games I ''I'' and II ''II'' make it clear that the Dalish treat mages as just another member of the clan, being willing to take in extra mage children even though they already had a surplus beyond their First and Second (Lanaya and Eneirin in DAO), ''DAO''), or Dalish mage births becoming low in recent years and some clans needing to borrow spare mage children from other clans to have a First (Merrill from DA 2). ''DA2''). Then DAI ''DAI'' rolled around, and suddenly the Dalish have always had a strict "Only 3 Mages Per Clan" rule (Keeper, Keeper's First, and Keeper's Second), where they dump excess mage children onto another clan if they can, or abandon them to die in the wilderness if they can't (Minaeve and "Dalish"). Um, no. That wasn't mentioned or even hinted at in any of the previous games.



* Is the mages ability to teleport ever explained ? Or at least handwaved ?

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* Is the mages ability to teleport ever explained ? explained? Or at least handwaved ?handwaved?



* Here's a question: who looks at The Elder One and thinks [[spoiler: "Oh, yeah, how 'bout I give the precious and unique and powerful artifact to ''that'' guy! I like the sound of his town, he doesn't look like the kind of guy who'd tear reality a new asshole and promptly try to fornicate his way into it." Normally I'd just write it off as being a dumb thing to do, but Solas goes out of his way to be a pompous dick about how knowledgeable he is and he doesn't know ''blisteringly evil'' when he sees it?]]

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* Here's a question: who looks at The Elder One and thinks [[spoiler: "Oh, yeah, how 'bout I give the precious and unique and powerful artifact to ''that'' guy! I like the sound of his town, he doesn't look like the kind of guy who'd tear reality a new asshole and promptly try to fornicate his way into it." Normally I'd just write it off as being a dumb thing to do, but Solas goes out of his way to be a pompous dick about how knowledgeable he is and he doesn't know ''blisteringly evil'' when he sees it?]]it?



** [[spoiler: ''Trespasser'' reveals that Solas had his agents plant it where the Venatori would find it and take it to Corypheus a year or so before the game starts, so Corypheus never actually met Solas directly.]]

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** [[spoiler: ''Trespasser'' "Trespasser" reveals that Solas had his agents plant it where the Venatori would find it and take it to Corypheus a year or so before the game starts, so Corypheus never actually met Solas directly.]]
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* Arguably this point could apply to many of the other factions in the game too, but it's most notable with the templars. How come absolutely none of the named templars (or ex-templars), whether of high or low rank, are Orlesians? Barris? Fereldan. Knight-Captain Denam? Marcher or Fereldan (possibly Nevarran or Tevinter, but unlikely). Samson? Marcher. Carroll? Fereldan. Cullen? Fereldan. Belinda Darrow (the templar multiplayer character)? Marcher. Rylen? Marcher. Heck, as far as I remember, none of the unnamed templars at Therinfal or any of the Red Templars you hear speaking throughout the rest of the game sound Orlesian either. The Chantry was founded in Orlais, and it is/was the headquarters of both the chantry and (more importantly) the templar and seeker orders. Are we really supposed to believe that the Inquisition would just happen to only interact with non-Orlesian templars? This made sense in prior games, because they took place exclusively in Ferelden and Kirkwall, but Orlais is a major location and home to at least half the main quests in Inquisition. The should be SOME Orlesian templars at least, if not make up the majority of their footsoldiers and higher-ranking officers (given their proximity to Val Royeaux, it seems Orlesian templars would have more opportunity to be picked into the Knights-Divine or rise to Knight-Vigilant). As it is, it's almost like we're supposed to assume that all the Orlesian members of the order died at the conclave or something. And don't say it's because Orlesians are pansies - remember that they conquered at least half the continent in the past.

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* Arguably this point could apply to many of the other factions in the game too, but it's most notable with the templars. How come absolutely none of the named templars (or ex-templars), whether of high or low rank, are Orlesians? Barris? Fereldan. Knight-Captain Denam? Marcher or Fereldan (possibly Nevarran or Tevinter, but unlikely). Samson? Marcher. Carroll? Fereldan. Cullen? Fereldan. Belinda Darrow (the templar multiplayer character)? Marcher. Rylen? Marcher. Heck, as far as I remember, none of the unnamed templars at Therinfal or any of the Red Templars you hear speaking throughout the rest of the game sound Orlesian either. The Chantry was founded in Orlais, and it is/was the headquarters of both the chantry and (more importantly) the templar and seeker orders. Are we really supposed to believe that the Inquisition would just happen to only interact with non-Orlesian templars? This made sense in prior games, because they took place exclusively in Ferelden and Kirkwall, but Orlais is a major location and home to at least half the main quests in Inquisition.''Inquisition''. The should be SOME Orlesian templars at least, if not make up the majority of their footsoldiers and higher-ranking officers (given their proximity to Val Royeaux, it seems Orlesian templars would have more opportunity to be picked into the Knights-Divine or rise to Knight-Vigilant). As it is, it's almost like we're supposed to assume that all the Orlesian members of the order died at the conclave or something. And don't say it's because Orlesians are pansies - remember that they conquered at least half the continent in the past.



** I've noticed this too. Most likely Gaider & Co. just realized that it didn't make any sense for people to be able to unlock templar abilities without lyrium, so they quietly retconned it, or they forgot about what Alistair said in DAO. The lack of lyrium use in ''II'' was probably for the same reason that Hawke can throw around blood magic willy-nilly without anyone noticing, or why we never see a Reaver Hawke drink dragon blood - the specializations simply had no impact on the story at all in ''II'' (or maybe there was one instant where you could resist blood magic if you were a templar, I forget...). That said, my personal headcanon on this issue is that normally lyrium is required, but Grey Wardens can get around that because there is a little lyrium in the Joining cocktail (Alistair does say that lyrium is an ingredient in the Joining, after all), and so Alistair and the Warden could draw the necessary power to use templar abilities from that (it's also worth noting that the templar spec in DAO is weaker than in later games; that could be because there is less lyrium in their bodies for Alistair and/or the Warden to draw upon). As for if you make Sten and Oghren templars too, well, if the theory that the Qunari are natural reavers is true, Sten may somehow be able to draw on his dragon-blood to do it. In DAI, Cole claims that the dwarves' magical resistance works similarly to templar abilities, so they may actually be natural templars somehow, which would explain Oghren and a dwarf Warden. Both the warrior companions in Awakening are wardens (well, Justice is possessing the body of a warden anyway...), so the aforementioned explanation for Alistair and the Warden would apply to them too.

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** I've noticed this too. Most likely Gaider & Co. just realized that it didn't make any sense for people to be able to unlock templar abilities without lyrium, so they quietly retconned it, or they forgot about what Alistair said in DAO.''DAO''. The lack of lyrium use in ''II'' was probably for the same reason that Hawke can throw around blood magic willy-nilly without anyone noticing, or why we never see a Reaver Hawke drink dragon blood - the specializations simply had no impact on the story at all in ''II'' (or maybe there was one instant where you could resist blood magic if you were a templar, I forget...). That said, my personal headcanon on this issue is that normally lyrium is required, but Grey Wardens can get around that because there is a little lyrium in the Joining cocktail (Alistair does say that lyrium is an ingredient in the Joining, after all), and so Alistair and the Warden could draw the necessary power to use templar abilities from that (it's also worth noting that the templar spec in DAO ''DAO'' is weaker than in later games; that could be because there is less lyrium in their bodies for Alistair and/or the Warden to draw upon). As for if you make Sten and Oghren templars too, well, if the theory that the Qunari are natural reavers is true, Sten may somehow be able to draw on his dragon-blood to do it. In DAI, ''DAI'', Cole claims that the dwarves' magical resistance works similarly to templar abilities, so they may actually be natural templars somehow, which would explain Oghren and a dwarf Warden. Both the warrior companions in Awakening are wardens (well, Justice is possessing the body of a warden anyway...), so the aforementioned explanation for Alistair and the Warden would apply to them too.



*** It's also worth noting that Alistair's mother is [[spoiler:a mage and an elf. So he's elf-blooded, has magic in his background, and according to the DA comics where he goes looking for his father, his royal heritage also has ''dragon'' blood in it.]] Alistair is '''definitely''' not a normal human.
** I meant more in the sense that DAO templar abilities specifically only target mages. [=DA2=] and DAI templars are more useful on the whole, since they have abilities that are useful against other types of enemies besides mages. Anyway, it's also worth noting that, according to the Qunari, Calenhad and his descendants (which would include Alistair) have dragon's blood. If they're right about that, that would certainly support that Alistair could be a very special case, in addition to what you and the guy below me said.

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*** It's also worth noting that Alistair's mother is [[spoiler:a a mage and an elf. So he's elf-blooded, has magic in his background, and according to the DA comics where he goes looking for his father, his royal heritage also has ''dragon'' blood in it.]] Alistair is '''definitely''' not a normal human.
** I meant more in the sense that DAO ''DAO'' templar abilities specifically only target mages. [=DA2=] ''[=DA2=]'' and DAI ''DAI'' templars are more useful on the whole, since they have abilities that are useful against other types of enemies besides mages. Anyway, it's also worth noting that, according to the Qunari, Calenhad and his descendants (which would include Alistair) have dragon's blood. If they're right about that, that would certainly support that Alistair could be a very special case, in addition to what you and the guy below me said.



** It's also possible that this has something to do with regional differences in training. Alistair, as a Templar trained in Ferelden, was trained specifically to deal with Mages. Templar in other lands have to deal with other threats so their abilities have expanded - most notably for dealing with demons which, as well all know, are more populous in and around Kirkwall. As for the Lyrium bear in mind that Lyrium and the lore behind it has been very shaky. At first it implies that Lyrium withdrawal could actually kill a person, something about melting their brain. But by DA:I someone can just quit it cold turkey? It was made relatively clear in DA:O's codex that the Lyrium empowered the Templar but then Alistair says that. So clearly this is a case of a retcon.

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** It's also possible that this has something to do with regional differences in training. Alistair, as a Templar trained in Ferelden, was trained specifically to deal with Mages. Templar in other lands have to deal with other threats so their abilities have expanded - most notably for dealing with demons which, as well all know, are more populous in and around Kirkwall. As for the Lyrium bear in mind that Lyrium and the lore behind it has been very shaky. At first it implies that Lyrium withdrawal could actually kill a person, something about melting their brain. But by DA:I ''DA:I'' someone can just quit it cold turkey? It was made relatively clear in DA:O's ''DA:O's'' codex that the Lyrium empowered the Templar but then Alistair says that. So clearly this is a case of a retcon.



** [[spoiler: Trespass reveals that Solas arranged for it to be found by the Venatori via his agents and he had planned for Corypheus to unlock the Orb and die in the process, then Solas would take the Orb and seize the Anchor for himself. Corypheus survived though, which prompted Solas to help the Inquisition.]]

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** [[spoiler: Trespass "Trespasser" reveals that Solas arranged for it to be found by the Venatori via his agents and he had planned for Corypheus to unlock the Orb and die in the process, then Solas would take the Orb and seize the Anchor for himself. Corypheus survived though, which prompted Solas to help the Inquisition.]]



** All the Grey Wardens are missing because [[spoiler: they're all being manipulated by the Elder One.]] Anyone who would have suggested it to him because they wanted him to live is probably well aware of that and kept their mouth shut because [[spoiler: a slow death is probably still better than being sacrificed in a blood magic ritual]]. Even if the issue did come up, Felix probably would/did refuse, on the grounds that it wouldn't actually help Alexius' desperation; in the end, Felix is just a very decent guy who's come to terms with his death, and it's clear that what he cares about is his dad being able to move on.

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** All the Grey Wardens are missing because [[spoiler: they're all being manipulated by the Elder One.]] One. Anyone who would have suggested it to him because they wanted him to live is probably well aware of that and kept their mouth shut because [[spoiler: a slow death is probably still better than being sacrificed in a blood magic ritual]].ritual. Even if the issue did come up, Felix probably would/did refuse, on the grounds that it wouldn't actually help Alexius' desperation; in the end, Felix is just a very decent guy who's come to terms with his death, and it's clear that what he cares about is his dad being able to move on.



** As to how the Inquisition managed to claim it despite such wards? Presumably [[spoiler:the incognito Elven god who revealed Skyhold's location to them]] shut them off without anyone noticing.
** Additionally, in ''Trespasser'' [[spoiler:a codex entry found in the Shattered Library makes reference to Fen'Harel "holding back the sky" to imprison the Gods; ''possibly even creating the Veil there.'' He always knew where he was going, that smarmy eggheaded bastard!]] Even if there were no wards, he always knew how to get there.

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** As to how the Inquisition managed to claim it despite such wards? Presumably [[spoiler:the Presumably, the incognito Elven god who revealed Skyhold's location to them]] them shut them off without anyone noticing.
** Additionally, in ''Trespasser'' [[spoiler:a a codex entry found in the Shattered Library makes reference to Fen'Harel "holding back the sky" to imprison the Gods; ''possibly even creating the Veil there.'' He always knew where he was going, that smarmy eggheaded bastard!]] bastard! Even if there were no wards, he always knew how to get there.



*** Orzammar is not part of Ferelden, is another country, just listen in DAO when a minion tries to make the dwarves swear loyalty to "King" Loghain and the gatekeeper just dismiss his claims as nonsense. Orzammar is like Andorra (situated between Spain and France, yet not part of either).

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*** Orzammar is not part of Ferelden, is another country, just listen in DAO ''DAO'' when a minion tries to make the dwarves swear loyalty to "King" Loghain and the gatekeeper just dismiss his claims as nonsense. Orzammar is like Andorra (situated between Spain and France, yet not part of either).



** For all we know it was Leliana pushing for a pro-mage Hawke and Cassandra just agreed, given the lack of any other viable candidates (every other big impressive figure either having other responsibilities or already being on one of the existing sides of the war). Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if a pro-Templar Hawke was someone else's suggestion, given that Cassandra seems very distrustful of him/her when starting to question Varric at the beginning of DA:2.

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** For all we know it was Leliana pushing for a pro-mage Hawke and Cassandra just agreed, given the lack of any other viable candidates (every other big impressive figure either having other responsibilities or already being on one of the existing sides of the war). Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if a pro-Templar Hawke was someone else's suggestion, given that Cassandra seems very distrustful of him/her when starting to question Varric at the beginning of DA:2.''DA:2''.



* Remember the super-secret gunpowder fantasy counterpart that the Qunari guard jealously? Well one of the levels in Trespasser has the Inquisitor run through a Qunari mining operation and blow shit up. Did it not occur to anyone to take a sample? Hell [[spoiler:you catch an elven Qunari spy trying to sneak in a fucking barrel full of the stuff, and more barrels of it were found in Denerim and Val Royeau]]! Thedosians must now have plenty to study/reproduce.

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* Remember the super-secret gunpowder fantasy counterpart that the Qunari guard jealously? Well one of the levels in Trespasser has the Inquisitor run through a Qunari mining operation and blow shit up. Did it not occur to anyone to take a sample? Hell [[spoiler:you you catch an elven Qunari spy trying to sneak in a fucking barrel full of the stuff, and more barrels of it were found in Denerim and Val Royeau]]! Royeau! Thedosians must now have plenty to study/reproduce.



[[folder:Cullen Commander ?]]
* I know [[PanderingToTheBase the true reason]] for his presence in Inquisition, but who decided that he was the guy that deserved to be the Commander of the Inquisition's army ? He has no military experience. Why not Fergus Cousland or Ser Cauthrien if they want a recurring character ? And why is Cullen not in Kirkwall trying to reform the Templars ? And who thought that making the former second-in-command of one of the most abusive Circle in Thedas the commander of the army of the organisation trying to bring peace to Thedas was a good idea ?
** Aside from the obvious shoehorning in of a character popular with fangirls, the in-universe explanation is that Cullen was experienced in running the remnants of Kirkwall's Templars after Meredith died and, apparently, did a fairly good job of it. Given that the Inquisition's forces were built up from loyal Templars at first, it would make sense to keep one of them in such a high ranking position to ensure the loyalty of the others. From what we saw at the end of DAII, Cassandra and Leliana started recruiting in Kirkwall after interrogating Varric, so I guess Cullen got in first because he volunteered. Cassandra could have probably done the job, but she doesn't seem to like political power or desk work, so she refused in order to remain in the field.
** Don't forget that Fergus is busy running Highever (and the player may never have even ''met'' him if they didn't do the Human Noble Origin, whereas Cullen does have an established presence across both ''Origins'' and ''2'') and Ser Cauthrien may or may not be dead--at the very least, like Threnn, she's bound to be unpopular thanks to being Loghain's right hand. Also don't forget that they're not supposed to be coming from a neutral perspective: Leliana and Cassandra are working for the Chantry at the end of VideoGame/DragonAgeII, and the Chantry standpoint is "put down the mage rebellion", not "make peace between the two". From their point of view, it makes total sense to get a Templar on board, regardless of his feelings on mages--ideally he should have been balanced out by a magic adviser, like Vivienne or Morrigan, but they're toeing the Chantry line here. It isn't until the explosion at the Conclave and everything goes great-big-green-glowing-hole-shaped that the focus shifts to "make peace between Templars and mages so we can solve the great big green glowing hole". ([[DoubleStandard Also, the jab at 'fangirls' seems a bit unfair.]])

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[[folder:Cullen Commander ?]]
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* I know [[PanderingToTheBase the true reason]] for his presence in Inquisition, but who decided that he was the guy that deserved to be the Commander of the Inquisition's army ? army? He has no military experience. Why not Fergus Cousland or Ser Cauthrien if they want a recurring character ? character? And why is Cullen not in Kirkwall trying to reform the Templars ? Templars? And who thought that making the former second-in-command of one of the most abusive Circle in Thedas the commander of the army of the organisation trying to bring peace to Thedas was a good idea ?
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** Aside from the obvious shoehorning in of a character popular with fangirls, the in-universe explanation is that Cullen was experienced in running the remnants of Kirkwall's Templars after Meredith died and, apparently, did a fairly good job of it. Given that the Inquisition's forces were built up from loyal Templars at first, it would make sense to keep one of them in such a high ranking position to ensure the loyalty of the others. From what we saw at the end of DAII, ''DAII'', Cassandra and Leliana started recruiting in Kirkwall after interrogating Varric, so I guess Cullen got in first because he volunteered. Cassandra could have probably done the job, but she doesn't seem to like political power or desk work, so she refused in order to remain in the field.
** Don't forget that Fergus is busy running Highever (and the player may never have even ''met'' him if they didn't do the Human Noble Origin, whereas Cullen does have an established presence across both ''Origins'' and ''2'') and Ser Cauthrien may or may not be dead--at the very least, like Threnn, she's bound to be unpopular thanks to being Loghain's right hand. Also Also, don't forget that they're not supposed to be coming from a neutral perspective: Leliana and Cassandra are working for the Chantry at the end of VideoGame/DragonAgeII, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', and the Chantry standpoint is "put down the mage rebellion", not "make peace between the two". From their point of view, it makes total sense to get a Templar on board, regardless of his feelings on mages--ideally he should have been balanced out by a magic adviser, like Vivienne or Morrigan, but they're toeing the Chantry line here. It isn't until the explosion at the Conclave and everything goes great-big-green-glowing-hole-shaped that the focus shifts to "make peace between Templars and mages so we can solve the great big green glowing hole". ([[DoubleStandard Also, the jab at 'fangirls' seems a bit unfair.]])



** Just as anyone who drinks from the Well is bound to the will of Mythal, so is the Well itself. [[spoiler:Mythal, AKA Flemeth, apparently doesn't want the Inquisitor or Morrigan to know these things, since Mythal is an ally of Fen'Harel. And once she gives her power to Solas, presumably including power over the Well, he definitely isn't going to want the Inquisitor or Morrigan to know these things, since he doesn't want them to interfere with his plans, but also doesn't want to have to take control of anyone.]]

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** Just as anyone who drinks from the Well is bound to the will of Mythal, so is the Well itself. [[spoiler:Mythal, Mythal, AKA Flemeth, apparently doesn't want the Inquisitor or Morrigan to know these things, since Mythal is an ally of Fen'Harel. And once she gives her power to Solas, presumably including power over the Well, he definitely isn't going to want the Inquisitor or Morrigan to know these things, since he doesn't want them to interfere with his plans, but also doesn't want to have to take control of anyone.]]



* In DA:O, it was established that raw lyrium would affect even a dwarf -- any other races would be seriously impaired by lyrium, and a mage can't go near unprocessed lyrium because it kills them. So how on earth is it that in the last level of the Descent, you're running around inside a Titan who's lit up by lyrium like it's a bloody Christmas tree, without a single party member feeling even a little bit queasy? How can, say, Dorian and Solas go in there and not drop dead?

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* In DA:O, ''DA:O'', it was established that raw lyrium would affect even a dwarf -- any other races would be seriously impaired by lyrium, and a mage can't go near unprocessed lyrium because it kills them. So how on earth is it that in the last level of the Descent, you're running around inside a Titan who's lit up by lyrium like it's a bloody Christmas tree, without a single party member feeling even a little bit queasy? How can, say, Dorian and Solas go in there and not drop dead?



** While the conversation is relevant in that it shows Cassandra's anti-magic bias and the flaws in Templar system, she DOES have a point. In DAO the head Templar at Lothering mentions he can sense a Mage Warden is, well, a mage, but doesn't choose to act on it as he has bigger concerns like the incoming horde of Darkspawn. Since the apostate Hawke family lived for years in Lothering without issue the Lothering Templars likely knew the Hawke mages had control of their magic and weren't a threat to their neighbor muggles. The DAI conversation [[spoiler: is likely meant to highlight Cassandra's and SOLAS' flawed thinking because it's only after the events of ''Trespasser'' do we discover he's the Dread Wolf, slept for a few thousand years, and knows as little of the intricacies of everyday Templars and mages.]]

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** While the conversation is relevant in that it shows Cassandra's anti-magic bias and the flaws in Templar system, she DOES have a point. In DAO ''DAO'' the head Templar at Lothering mentions he can sense a Mage Warden is, well, a mage, but doesn't choose to act on it as he has bigger concerns like the incoming horde of Darkspawn. Since the apostate Hawke family lived for years in Lothering without issue the Lothering Templars likely knew the Hawke mages had control of their magic and weren't a threat to their neighbor muggles. The DAI ''DAI'' conversation [[spoiler: is likely meant to highlight Cassandra's and SOLAS' flawed thinking because it's only after the events of ''Trespasser'' do we discover he's the Dread Wolf, slept for a few thousand years, and knows as little of the intricacies of everyday Templars and mages.]] mages.



** Felassan was not a Dalish elf, he merely pretended to be one. But that's a nitpick. Please note my comments said "most of them wouldn't" not none of them wouldn't. Naturally some will, likely dumb angry kids like Vehlanna (though probably not actually Velanna, being a Grey Warden and all) and that mage from one of the Exalted Plains side quests but, as the initial poster pointed out, Fen'Harel occupies a position of utter hatred in Dalish culture and him as saviour is going to be a tough sell to them. I never meant to suggest that the Dalish were pacifists (though I see why you thought that, my bad, phrased that poorly). I meant that they are cautious by nature, as life has taught them to be. They are not really the sort of folks to suddenly abandon their centuries old belief structure and follow their former archenemy on an apocalyptic crusade. Plus Solas holds the Dalish in contempt anyway. The ending slide in Trespasser showed one Dalish elf going to join him. The one in front facing the (for lack of better term) camera has Vallaslin and can therefore be assumed to be Dalish (although we have seen non Dalish ape that custom so it's not certain). The other elves in frame are facing away and indeed are mostly wearing very non-Dalish clothing while a voice over refers to elven servants vanishing. The idea that the majority of his forces are Dalish is rather jumping to conclusions. As a side note if, as the end to Trespasser implies, the next game is going to be in Tevinter that further suggests non-Dalish are more likely; there are no Dalish clans in Tevinter, Dorian said as much, and the elves that already live there have more reason than most to throw in with him.

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** Felassan was not a Dalish elf, he merely pretended to be one. But that's a nitpick. Please note my comments said "most of them wouldn't" not none of them wouldn't. Naturally some will, likely dumb angry kids like Vehlanna (though probably not actually Velanna, being a Grey Warden and all) and that mage from one of the Exalted Plains side quests but, as the initial poster pointed out, Fen'Harel occupies a position of utter hatred in Dalish culture and him as saviour is going to be a tough sell to them. I never meant to suggest that the Dalish were pacifists (though I see why you thought that, my bad, phrased that poorly). I meant that they are cautious by nature, as life has taught them to be. They are not really the sort of folks to suddenly abandon their centuries old belief structure and follow their former archenemy on an apocalyptic crusade. Plus Solas holds the Dalish in contempt anyway. The ending slide in Trespasser showed one Dalish elf going to join him. The one in front facing the (for lack of better term) camera has Vallaslin and can therefore be assumed to be Dalish (although we have seen non Dalish ape that custom so it's not certain). The other elves in frame are facing away and indeed are mostly wearing very non-Dalish clothing while a voice over refers to elven servants vanishing. The idea that the majority of his forces are Dalish is rather jumping to conclusions. As a side note if, as the end to Trespasser "Trespasser" implies, the next game is going to be in Tevinter that further suggests non-Dalish are more likely; there are no Dalish clans in Tevinter, Dorian said as much, and the elves that already live there have more reason than most to throw in with him.



** Whatever choice you make in ''Origins'', it's Brother Genitivi who is choosing to reveal the location of the Urn. The Hero and his/her party have other things to be getting on with. The way the codex is phrased it's ambiguous as to whether Genitivi went missing because the Hero killed him in the Urn quest or if he went home and gave his research to the Chantry but vanished later before it could be verified and the Urn was gone by the time the Chantry reached the Temple. Since Bioware wanted the Temple as the start of Inquisition they needed to give such ambiguity to cover all player choices. Unlike the Keep choices the game couldn't alter based on player choice too much since it had to start at the Temple no matter what. One can debate whether that was a good decision or not of course.

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** Whatever choice you make in ''Origins'', it's Brother Genitivi who is choosing to reveal the location of the Urn. The Hero and his/her party have other things to be getting on with. The way the codex is phrased it's ambiguous as to whether Genitivi went missing because the Hero killed him in the Urn quest or if he went home and gave his research to the Chantry but vanished later before it could be verified and the Urn was gone by the time the Chantry reached the Temple. Since Bioware wanted the Temple as the start of Inquisition ''Inquisition'' they needed to give such ambiguity to cover all player choices. Unlike the Keep choices the game couldn't alter based on player choice too much since it had to start at the Temple no matter what. One can debate whether that was a good decision or not of course.



** I have what may be an explanation; the Hero is looking for a method to cure the Calling. Judging from his/her return (if romancing Leliana dialogue in Trespasser states that he/she is back, no reason to think a Hero that didn't romance Leliana met with less luck) then the Hero succeeded. Even if the Hero is dead the same leads he/she follows still exist for some other Warden to look into. If Alistair is aware of this perhaps he's waiting until he hears back about that, since if the cure works then there's a decent chance it'll fix the fertility issue as well so he might as well wait until that's fixed and he has a much better shot at an heir. As for Anora there's two things there; first, Anora may very well be infertile through entirely non-Blight related reasons (it was noted by some characters in ''Origins'' that Cailan and Anora have been married for a while with no kids arriving) and second, if Anora holds the throne on her own, then the prestigious bloodline thing doesn't apply and she can pretty much name whoever she wants as her successor and it'll be much the same as her actual child. Her family has only even been nobility for two generations.

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** I have what may be an explanation; the Hero is looking for a method to cure the Calling. Judging from his/her return (if romancing Leliana dialogue in Trespasser "Trespasser" states that he/she is back, no reason to think a Hero that didn't romance Leliana met with less luck) then the Hero succeeded. Even if the Hero is dead the same leads he/she follows still exist for some other Warden to look into. If Alistair is aware of this perhaps he's waiting until he hears back about that, since if the cure works then there's a decent chance it'll fix the fertility issue as well so he might as well wait until that's fixed and he has a much better shot at an heir. As for Anora there's two things there; first, Anora may very well be infertile through entirely non-Blight related reasons (it was noted by some characters in ''Origins'' that Cailan and Anora have been married for a while with no kids arriving) and second, if Anora holds the throne on her own, then the prestigious bloodline thing doesn't apply and she can pretty much name whoever she wants as her successor and it'll be much the same as her actual child. Her family has only even been nobility for two generations.



** Solas explains it if you chat with him about his journeys through the Fade. The freaky green-brown floating landscape you see in the games is the raw Fade. Normally, non-magical people can only access it through dreaming; when they do, their minds render it as a dream landscape, based off their memories and experiences and the stories they've heard. Dreams are inspired by what people have seen and heard, so old ruins can spark some fascinating dreams. Solas has never entered the raw Fade himself--he flips out about it if you take him along on "Here Lies the Abyss"--but he explores the Fade through dreaming, while meeting other people and spirits and demons. If the Inquisitor asks him if he ever gets tempted by demons, he replies with "No more so than a brightly coloured fruit is tempting you to eat it." As an [[spoiler:Elven trickster god]], he probably has enough experience under his belt to resist possession.

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** Solas explains it if you chat with him about his journeys through the Fade. The freaky green-brown floating landscape you see in the games is the raw Fade. Normally, non-magical people can only access it through dreaming; when they do, their minds render it as a dream landscape, based off their memories and experiences and the stories they've heard. Dreams are inspired by what people have seen and heard, so old ruins can spark some fascinating dreams. Solas has never entered the raw Fade himself--he flips out about it if you take him along on "Here Lies the Abyss"--but he explores the Fade through dreaming, while meeting other people and spirits and demons. If the Inquisitor asks him if he ever gets tempted by demons, he replies with "No more so than a brightly coloured fruit is tempting you to eat it." As an [[spoiler:Elven Elven trickster god]], god, he probably has enough experience under his belt to resist possession.



* This is a straightforward blunder by the writers. Corypheus tells the Herald at Haven "You interrupted a ritual years in the preparation;" but in Trespasser Solas says he only awoke a year before the Breach, and therefore Corypheus could only have had Fen'Harel's orb less than a year.

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* This is a straightforward blunder by the writers. Corypheus tells the Herald at Haven "You interrupted a ritual years in the preparation;" but in Trespasser "Trespasser" Solas says he only awoke a year before the Breach, and therefore Corypheus could only have had Fen'Harel's orb less than a year.

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** It's possible that the Taint itself has been on Thedas for a very long time. For all we know, it could be as old as Thedas itself. The Magisters' ill-fated attempt to claim the Golden City for themselves simply infected them with it and spread the Taint far beyond its original confines.

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** It's possible that the Taint itself has been on in Thedas for a very long time. For all we know, it could be as old as Thedas itself. The Magisters' ill-fated attempt to claim the Golden City for themselves simply infected them with it and spread the Taint far beyond its original confines.



** [[spoiler:With "The Descent", we find out that Lyrium is the 'blood', so to speak, of Titans, massive beings whose 'bodies', so to speak, are beneath the Deep Roads and who contain massive caverns, miles across. As a result, it's not hard to suspect that the Red Lyrium found in VideoGame/DragonAgeII was from a Titan tainted by the Blight... and the actions of DAI have tainted a lot more Titans too...]]
** We never get any hard evidence dating the Primeval Thaig; it's assumed to be prehistoric because nothing like it is mentioned in the Memories. But [[spoiler: we learn in "The Descent" that the Shaperate removes dangerous or politically inconvenient information from the Memories.]] Also, the Primeval Thaig just happens to contain a staff that, according to its own FlavorText, was sealed inside of a mysteriously abandoned thaig called Valdasine Thaig. So it's possible that [[spoiler: the Primeval Thaig is Valdasine Thaig, and the Shaperate suppressed the truth about what happened there for the same reason why they presumably suppressed knowledge of the Titans--because they hoped that hiding knowledge of it would prevent people from digging it up.]]

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** [[spoiler:With "The Descent", ''The Descent'', we find out that Lyrium is the 'blood', so to speak, of Titans, massive beings whose 'bodies', so to speak, are beneath the Deep Roads and who contain massive caverns, miles across. As a result, it's not hard to suspect that the Red Lyrium found in VideoGame/DragonAgeII ''II'' was from a Titan tainted by the Blight... and the actions of DAI have tainted a lot more Titans too...]]
** We never get any hard evidence dating the Primeval Thaig; it's assumed to be prehistoric because nothing like it is mentioned in the Memories. But [[spoiler: we learn in "The Descent" ''The Descent'' that the Shaperate removes dangerous or politically inconvenient information from the Memories.]] Also, the Primeval Thaig just happens to contain a staff that, according to its own FlavorText, was sealed inside of a mysteriously abandoned thaig called Valdasine Thaig. So it's possible that [[spoiler: the Primeval Thaig is Valdasine Thaig, and the Shaperate suppressed the truth about what happened there for the same reason why they presumably suppressed knowledge of the Titans--because they hoped that hiding knowledge of it would prevent people from digging it up.]]



** This troper remembers, probably mistakenly, some obscure mention from the Descent DLC, that Titans somehow resist Taint and ward off Darkspawns, possibly even quell Taint effects nearby. And Darkspawn erupted not after introducing mortals to Taint, but after hearing Tainted Archdemon's song, which made them into coherent force, bent on conquering places to dwell and multiply like crazy, especially during First Blight, when noone knew how to fight them.
*** As to the source of Taint there's some more lore to consider: Evanuris encountered Titans when investigating series of earthquakes, and Mythal killed at least one, maybe even starting the fashion among the DecadentCourt Evanuris were at that point. Elves mined lyrium from Titan's bodies for some time, but then suddenly collapsed the mines where Inquisitor is reading this story, in fear that "what Evanuris could unleash in their greed would destroy all in its anger" - doesn't sound like usual Lyrium, but something similar to Taint, no? Especially considering "three cups" speculation about Corypheus and Solas' reply to it - as if he already saw that happening. Now, what do the usual corpses do? They ''rot'', and become infectious, although a healthy organism usually has resistance to small doses of such infections. And rotting literal geological body, which is simultaneously tied to essence of Fade, must produce something really terrible. Something that, for instance, translates whispers akin to ones from person dying from septic fever and hell-bent on revenge their murder into any receptive mind nearby. This fits nicely with theory about Golden City being Arlathan - there were many mines, and possibly they were not all collapsed in such precaution, so Evanuris got their hands on Taint (or on Red Lyrium, then distilled pure Taint from it during research, doesn't matter), but then Fen'Harel finally created Veil and banished them along with the city of Arlathan, where they started to experiment with Taint to get out/succumbed to it over time/started to succumb even before banishing and Blighted the City in process anyway. Anyway, Corypheus doesn't say much about what's inside the City he and other reached. Remaining mines were then properly collapsed and sealed, with everything corrupted (or alive at all) in them being slaughtered to prevent outbreaks, thus placing a clamp on main Taint vector, since Lyrium veins grow seemingly slowly and reddening is most likely being gradual process too. All is well, until some dragons got lonely and wanted to chat with Evanuris, for this urging group of stupid mortals in some suspicious ritual...

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** This troper remembers, probably mistakenly, some obscure mention from the Descent ''Descent'' DLC, that Titans somehow resist Taint and ward off Darkspawns, Darkspawn, possibly even quell Taint effects nearby. And Darkspawn erupted not after introducing mortals to Taint, but after hearing Tainted Archdemon's song, which made them into coherent force, bent on conquering places to dwell and multiply like crazy, especially during First Blight, when noone no one knew how to fight them.
*** As to the source of Taint there's some more lore to consider: Evanuris encountered Titans when investigating series of earthquakes, and Mythal killed at least one, maybe even starting the fashion among the DecadentCourt Evanuris were at that point. Elves mined lyrium from Titan's bodies for some time, but then suddenly collapsed the mines where Inquisitor is reading this story, in fear that "what Evanuris could unleash in their greed would destroy all in its anger" - doesn't sound like usual Lyrium, but something similar to Taint, no? Especially considering "three cups" speculation about Corypheus and Solas' Solas's reply to it - as if he already saw that happening. Now, what do the usual corpses do? They ''rot'', and become infectious, although a healthy organism usually has resistance to small doses of such infections. And rotting literal geological body, which is simultaneously tied to essence of Fade, must produce something really terrible. Something that, for instance, translates whispers akin to ones from person dying from septic fever and hell-bent on revenge their murder into any receptive mind nearby. This fits nicely with theory about Golden City being Arlathan - there were many mines, and possibly they were not all collapsed in such precaution, so the Evanuris got their hands on Taint (or on Red Lyrium, then distilled pure Taint from it during research, doesn't matter), but then Fen'Harel finally created Veil and banished them along with the city of Arlathan, where they started to experiment with Taint to get out/succumbed to it over time/started to succumb even before banishing and Blighted the City in process anyway. Anyway, Corypheus doesn't say much about what's inside the City he and other reached. Remaining mines were then properly collapsed and sealed, with everything corrupted (or alive at all) in them being slaughtered to prevent outbreaks, thus placing a clamp on main Taint vector, since Lyrium veins grow seemingly slowly and reddening is most likely being gradual process too. All is well, until some dragons got lonely and wanted to chat with Evanuris, for this urging group of stupid mortals in some suspicious ritual...



** It makes sense in the sense that you're making a purely baseless assumption when there's a perfectly reasonable alternative that you refuse to accept, presumably because it justifies your annoyance at this. They ''aren't'' static between acts. Talk to Isabela at the start of act 2 and she and Hawke talk about misadventures they got into over the last three years. In this very game, after [[spoiler: Hawke's death]], Varric will tell a story about Hawke dealing with a Carta shakedown that we never saw or heard of in VideoGame/DragonAgeII. More things happened to Hawke in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' than we saw. You can either accept that as a reasonable and rational explanation or you can continued to be annoyed at the assumption that Varric never told Hawke the truth about Bianca. That choice is yours.
** It makes sense because, if something as important as Fenris' illeteration or Merril's reason for quitting her clan, or even Aveline's love of Donnic (which is hinted as in Act 1 but isn't being acted upon until Act 2) don't come up offscreen during the three years Hawke knew them, I doubt Bianca's story would come up during this time. Hawke dealing with a carta shakedown did happened offscreen, just like Isabela's tale of "last lead on her relic" but the reasons for this isn't explained until act 2. And by "static", I didn't meant "don't do anything", I meant "don't really learn anything about each others".

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** It makes sense in the sense that you're making a purely baseless assumption when there's a perfectly reasonable alternative that you refuse to accept, presumably because it justifies your annoyance at this. They ''aren't'' static between acts. Talk to Isabela at the start of act 2 and she and Hawke talk about misadventures they got into over the last three years. In this very game, after [[spoiler: Hawke's death]], Varric will tell a story about Hawke dealing with a Carta shakedown that we never saw or heard of in VideoGame/DragonAgeII. ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII''. More things happened to Hawke in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' ''II'' than we saw. You can either accept that as a reasonable and rational explanation or you can continued to be annoyed at the assumption that Varric never told Hawke the truth about Bianca. That choice is yours.
** It makes sense because, if something as important as Fenris' illeteration Fenris's illiteracy or Merril's Merrill's reason for quitting her clan, or even Aveline's love of Donnic (which is hinted as in Act 1 but isn't being acted upon until Act 2) don't come up offscreen during the three years Hawke knew them, I doubt Bianca's story would come up during this time. Hawke dealing with a carta shakedown did happened offscreen, just like Isabela's tale of "last lead on her relic" but the reasons for this isn't explained until act 2. And by "static", I didn't meant "don't do anything", I meant "don't really learn anything about each others".



* This can easily be explained away by Varric telling the story to Cassandra. She came across as threatening and antagonistic, and wanting to know everything about Hawke. So he tells her everything about Hawke, how after meeting Merrill they encountered GiantSpiders, encountering Leliana, going to the Blooming Rose, ect, this is all as Cassandra sees it. The reason why Bianca is never brought up is because Varric never brings her up, and not wanting to give the Seekers another target he has every reason not to say, "Hey I told Hawke about an ex I had" and keep her safe.

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* This can easily be explained away by Varric telling the story to Cassandra. She came across as threatening and antagonistic, and wanting to know everything about Hawke. So he tells her everything about Hawke, how after meeting Merrill they encountered GiantSpiders, encountering Leliana, going to the Blooming Rose, ect, etc., this is all as Cassandra sees it. The reason why Bianca is never brought up is because Varric never brings her up, and not wanting to give the Seekers another target he has every reason not to say, "Hey I told Hawke about an ex I had" and keep her safe.



* According to Iron Bull, Krem (assigned female at birth, but is male) would be considered as a man. However, this seems to fly in the face of what Sten did in Origins, as he was completely flabbergasted by women such as Morrigan and Leliana taking up arms to fight, and not simply in defense. Several times he mentions what is men's work and women's work, and that did not change. Does Iron Bull presume Krem would be in the Ben-Hassrath (which has males and females and, although they can fight, they are not actual fighters) or is Sten incorrect? Or is it a Retcon?

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* According to Iron Bull, Krem (assigned female at birth, but is male) would be considered as a man. However, this seems to fly in the face of what Sten did in Origins, ''Origins'', as he was completely flabbergasted by women such as Morrigan and Leliana taking up arms to fight, and not simply in defense. Several times he mentions what is men's work and women's work, and that did not change. Does Iron Bull presume Krem would be in the Ben-Hassrath (which has males and females and, although they can fight, they are not actual fighters) or is Sten incorrect? Or is it a Retcon?



** But, if that's the case, why would the Sten ask your Warden if she's a woman in Origins ? He would have just assumed that she was the soul of a man in the body of a cis woman.

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** But, if that's the case, why would the Sten ask your Warden if she's a woman in Origins ? ''Origins''? He would have just assumed that she was the soul of a man in the body of a cis woman.



** It's definitely a retcon, not a reinterpretation. [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Sten/Dialogue Here's what Sten actually says on the topic]]. The problem I have with this scene in [=DA:I=] is two-fold. First, it's not only inconsistent with what Sten said in Origins, it's inconsistent with everything we've previously learned about the Qunari. Up until now everything we've seen and heard about the Qunari, including from actual followers of the Qun, has reinforced again and again that they are strictly opposed to individuality. You are ''assigned'' a role in Qunari society from which you cannot deviate. If you don't like your role your only options are to run off into the wilderness and become Tal-Vashoth, or be "reeducated" via torture and/or chemical brainwashing. And those roles ''do'' conform along gender lines. If you disagree, explain why the Arishok had no female Qunari soldiers, or "women who identify as men" soldiers, with him in [=DA2=]. Did they all conveniently go down with the ship? So now, after two games establishing the Qunari as profoundly against individualism, all of a sudden we're told that ''in this one specific case'' individuality is A-Okay with them? Why this one case? If it's okay for a trans man to live as a man, why can't a merchant who wishes he were born a warrior be a warrior? Why do the Qunari tolerate individuality in this one instance but not others?\\

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** It's definitely a retcon, not a reinterpretation. [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Sten/Dialogue Here's what Sten actually says on the topic]]. The problem I have with this scene in [=DA:I=] is two-fold. First, it's not only inconsistent with what Sten said in Origins, ''Origins'', it's inconsistent with everything we've previously learned about the Qunari. Up until now everything we've seen and heard about the Qunari, including from actual followers of the Qun, has reinforced again and again that they are strictly opposed to individuality. You are ''assigned'' a role in Qunari society from which you cannot deviate. If you don't like your role your only options are to run off into the wilderness and become Tal-Vashoth, or be "reeducated" via torture and/or chemical brainwashing. And those roles ''do'' conform along gender lines. If you disagree, explain why the Arishok had no female Qunari soldiers, or "women who identify as men" soldiers, with him in [=DA2=]. Did they all conveniently go down with the ship? So now, after two games establishing the Qunari as profoundly against individualism, all of a sudden we're told that ''in this one specific case'' individuality is A-Okay with them? Why this one case? If it's okay for a trans man to live as a man, why can't a merchant who wishes he were born a warrior be a warrior? Why do the Qunari tolerate individuality in this one instance but not others?\\



** I have to disagree. With their obssession with roles and order the qunari are more LawfulEvil than AlwaysChaoticEvil.

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** I have to disagree. With their obssession obsession with roles and order the qunari are more LawfulEvil than AlwaysChaoticEvil.



** "The Qunari might recognize Krem as a man, but Bull never says they would accept him as a ''warrior''." Perhaps, but that still seems to disagree with what Sten said in Origins. He didn't just say "women cannot be warriors, it isn't done" he bluntly asserts that a woman ''can't'' wish to be a man, or become one, and seems baffled by the very idea of it.

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** "The Qunari might recognize Krem as a man, but Bull never says they would accept him as a ''warrior''." Perhaps, but that still seems to disagree with what Sten said in Origins.''Origins''. He didn't just say "women cannot be warriors, it isn't done" he bluntly asserts that a woman ''can't'' wish to be a man, or become one, and seems baffled by the very idea of it.



** Check the World of Thedas, the fact that Tallis was part of the Qun, and the writers Q&A. We had like, two or three lines of Sten disagreeing with women in fighting in the frontlines. Since we know very little from them, we can't also think they WOULD something like your idea. Hell, Bull explained through the whole game as strict the Qun was, they weren't stupid about it. They stopped fighting when they realise the territory they were occupying were under constant destruction for they war they were waging. We also don't really know how they process who should bear children, how do they choose what job to do. So while what you said COULD happen, just as well, they could do a bunch of tests that result in: 'Oh, hey, Cremisius, you are a good fighter, and don't want to kill yourself for doing it! Well, this could be a good work for you'. Bull himself says that they picked the right job for him, since he LIKED hitting things, and combining with his wits and smarts, his job as a Ben-Hasrath was pretty much somenthing he more or less loved. For the Qunari, gender mostly means you can do something better, but that does not mean it's the ONLY factor. I mean, Bull is pretty much an awesome fighter, why isn't he amongst other soldiers? Because he also had some other characteristics that would benefit his work. Their leaders also are not picked just because they are awesome at making people do stuff they say, but because they ALSO can make the hard choices. Bull also explained that he could just pretend he didn't like hitting things to get another job, but what would be the point? So considering that Krem is a good fighter, follows rules well, and can do his job with proficiency, why wouldn't he be picked as a soldier? Specially considering that he knew he was a man since he was a kid?

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** Check the World of Thedas, the fact that Tallis was part of the Qun, and the writers Q&A. We had like, two or three lines of Sten disagreeing with women in fighting in the frontlines. Since we know very little from them, we can't also think they WOULD something like your idea. Hell, Bull explained through the whole game as strict the Qun was, they weren't stupid about it. They stopped fighting when they realise the territory they were occupying were under constant destruction for they war they were waging. We also don't really know how they process who should bear children, how do they choose what job to do. So while what you said COULD happen, just as well, they could do a bunch of tests that result in: 'Oh, hey, Cremisius, you are a good fighter, and don't want to kill yourself for doing it! Well, this could be a good work for you'. Bull himself says that they picked the right job for him, since he LIKED hitting things, and combining with his wits and smarts, his job as a Ben-Hasrath was pretty much somenthing something he more or less loved. For the Qunari, gender mostly means you can do something better, but that does not mean it's the ONLY factor. I mean, Bull is pretty much an awesome fighter, why isn't he amongst other soldiers? Because he also had some other characteristics that would benefit his work. Their leaders also are not picked just because they are awesome at making people do stuff they say, but because they ALSO can make the hard choices. Bull also explained that he could just pretend he didn't like hitting things to get another job, but what would be the point? So considering that Krem is a good fighter, follows rules well, and can do his job with proficiency, why wouldn't he be picked as a soldier? Specially considering that he knew he was a man since he was a kid?



** No, we know that there a number of Tal-Vashoth, but is their role that makes them unhappy? Bull pointed out that everytime he dealt with Tal-Vashoth most of them were savages and aggressive (also ALL of them are Kossith, WHICH means it might be a problem with the race, instead of the whole system, which Sten, Bull and the Arishok seem to agree), AND though they may be 'large' in number, there are more than enough members of the Qun in comparison who like it. In Rivain we KNOW that are many converted that enjoy their lives under the Qun (Isabela's mother gave her up just to do that). And AGAIN, the argument you make is that Krem COULD be a baby making machine(even though the lore says that the parties only meet once or twice, and then just go separate ways, which means there is no specific job to do THAT), but WE. DONT. KNOW. All we have is information based in game and lore tidbits. And from them, we know that: Qunari have roles based on skillsets, they believe those skillsets are better with one gender over another.
** "is their role that makes them unhappy?" ''Yes!'' We speak with a Tal-Vashoth in the 2nd game, and he clearly states "I did not like my role, so I left the Qun." Frankly, why ''else'' would someone leave the Qun unless they didn't like the life they were forced to live? Do you think all those Tal-Vashoth were living totally awesome lives, loving everything about the "roles" they were given, and then just up and decided to leave and become Tal-Vashoth just because? "Bull pointed out that every time he dealt with Tal-Vashoth most of them were savages and agressive" And Solas countered that by pointing out that those Tal-Vashoth are savage because life under the Qun made them that way. And Bull's only response is to dodge the accusation and fall back on emotional appeal. And Bull's characterization of the Tal-Vashoth as "savages" is highly questionable. In another dialogue with Solas, Bull all but admits that the reason he calls them savages is because it makes it easier to kill them when he's ordered to. "there are more than enough members of the Qun in comparison who like it." You mean there are more than enough who have been conditioned to like it. You forget that most of those people in Rivain who "converted" to the Qun did so ''involuntarily''. The Qunari didn't just roll into town and offer membership to anyone interested. They ''invaded'' Rivain and ''conquered'' the people living there. And for all those people who claim to "like" living under the Qun, how many of them only say so because they're afraid of being ''tortured and brain-wiped if they say otherwise?''\\

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** No, we know that there a number of Tal-Vashoth, but is their role that makes them unhappy? Bull pointed out that everytime every time he dealt with Tal-Vashoth Tal-Vashoth, most of them were savages and aggressive (also ALL of them are Kossith, WHICH means it might be a problem with the race, instead of the whole system, an idea on which Sten, Bull Bull, and the Arishok seem to agree), AND though they may be 'large' in number, there are more than enough members of the Qun in comparison who like it. In Rivain we KNOW that are many converted that enjoy their lives under the Qun (Isabela's mother gave her up just to do that). And AGAIN, the argument you make is that Krem COULD be a baby making machine(even though the lore says that the parties only meet once or twice, and then just go separate ways, which means there is no specific job to do THAT), but WE. DONT. KNOW. All we have is information based in game and lore tidbits. And from them, we know that: Qunari have roles based on skillsets, they believe those skillsets are better with one gender over another.
** "is their role that makes them unhappy?" ''Yes!'' We speak with a Tal-Vashoth in the 2nd game, and he clearly states "I did not like my role, so I left the Qun." Frankly, why ''else'' would someone leave the Qun unless they didn't like the life they were forced to live? Do you think all those Tal-Vashoth were living totally awesome lives, loving everything about the "roles" they were given, and then just up and decided to leave and become Tal-Vashoth just because? "Bull pointed out that every time he dealt with Tal-Vashoth most of them were savages and agressive" aggressive" And Solas countered that by pointing out that those Tal-Vashoth are savage because life under the Qun made them that way. And Bull's only response is to dodge the accusation and fall back on emotional appeal. And Bull's characterization of the Tal-Vashoth as "savages" is highly questionable. In another dialogue with Solas, Bull all but admits that the reason he calls them savages is because it makes it easier to kill them when he's ordered to. "there are more than enough members of the Qun in comparison who like it." You mean there are more than enough who have been conditioned to like it. You forget that most of those people in Rivain who "converted" to the Qun did so ''involuntarily''. The Qunari didn't just roll into town and offer membership to anyone interested. They ''invaded'' Rivain and ''conquered'' the people living there. And for all those people who claim to "like" living under the Qun, how many of them only say so because they're afraid of being ''tortured and brain-wiped if they say otherwise?''\\



** Check Cassandra's and Bull banter. He explains it exactly, it's not being a man or a woman, it's about being gifted. If you are gifted, then you will become part of the soldiers, and if you DO become part of this caste, then you are now considered a MAN. That's it. Since Krem shows skill in fighting, that's exactly where he would be sent. Also Rivain NEVER had any sort of uprising against the Qunari and with the information we HAVE they don't have a problem with it in majority. 'Also conditioned to like it'? How do you think people like anything? Someone at some point taught or told you something is good, be it morals, be it taste, or simple belief, were you not conditioned then? Also pay close attention to the Qunari, to their customs and everything Bull says if he becomes Tal-Vashoth, there is a sickness in them, or something close to it, something that incites bloodlust and aggression. Every Tal-Vashoth you met in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' was your enemy, save for one, and like Bull says, for every one that can live well, DOZENS do not. Considering, again, that all Tal-Vashoth we know of are actually Kossith, THEN it's safe to assume that it could be very well not their role, but a problem with themselves in majority. Also, if savagery is all the know because of the Qun, why do others exist that are Tal-Vashoth and do not act like it? Is it because of their beliefs and how they were raised? Or could very well be something specific to the race, you know, the only race we actually see becoming Tal-Vashoth.

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** Check Cassandra's and Bull banter. He explains it exactly, exactly - it's not about being a man or a woman, it's about being gifted. If you are gifted, then you will become part of the soldiers, and if you DO become part of this caste, then you are now considered a MAN. That's it. Since Krem shows skill in fighting, that's exactly where he would be sent. Also Rivain NEVER had any sort of uprising against the Qunari and with the information we HAVE they don't have a problem with it in majority. 'Also conditioned to like it'? How do you think people like anything? Someone at some point taught or told you something is good, be it morals, be it taste, or simple belief, were you not conditioned then? Also pay close attention to the Qunari, to their customs and everything Bull says if he becomes Tal-Vashoth, there is a sickness in them, or something close to it, something that incites bloodlust and aggression. Every Tal-Vashoth you met in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' was your enemy, save for one, and like Bull says, for every one that can live well, DOZENS do not. Considering, again, that all Tal-Vashoth we know of are actually Kossith, THEN it's safe to assume that it could be very well not their role, but a problem with themselves in majority. Also, if savagery is all the know because of the Qun, why do others exist that are Tal-Vashoth and do not act like it? Is it because of their beliefs and how they were raised? Or could very well be something specific to the race, you know, the only race we actually see becoming Tal-Vashoth.



The Qun imposed themselves over Rivain just as well Orlais did with Ferelden, yet Ferelden fought back, never accepted it. Rivain accept it. They don't fight it, hell, the only reason the Qunari left was due to the exalted marches were taking a toil to the population. Also, search any course of propaganda, ANY, and they will tell you outright that it's not hard to make people think they want something, or that something is good. Hell, consumerism it's entirely dependent on people believing they need or want something. That's exactly what indoctrinating means, you were at some point told to like something, maybe it was done in such a way that it was subtle, but they told you.\\
'For all we know?' For all we know of the Qunari, for all the tidbits and lore we know that MOST Tal-Vashoth act like savages, we HAVE those examples in lore and even in gameplay. Dragon Age 2 has plenty of enemies that were those and we FOUGHT against. Also, if you check the Codex we have an example of a Tal-Vashatoh being visited by Brother Genitivi, THEY attack everyone indiscriminately (and he was lucky to escape with his life). Also we have the account of Solas, that himself admit the fact that Tal-Vashoth are violent (though he blames the Qun for it), Sten, and Bull (himself being terrified of becoming a Tal-Vashoth, and through the dialogue he says that the Qun stop the savage nature of his people. He is especially terrified of succumbing to his own bloodlust that he shows quite a lot).

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The Qun imposed themselves over Rivain just as well Orlais did with Ferelden, yet Ferelden fought back, never accepted it. Rivain accept it. They don't fight it, hell, the only reason the Qunari left was due to the exalted marches were taking a toil to the population. Also, search any course of propaganda, ANY, and they will tell you outright that it's not hard to make people think they want something, or that something is good. Hell, consumerism it's is entirely dependent on people believing they need or want something. That's exactly what indoctrinating means, you were at some point told to like something, maybe it was done in such a way that it was subtle, but they told you.\\
'For all we know?' For all we know of the Qunari, for all the tidbits and lore we know that MOST Tal-Vashoth act like savages, we HAVE those examples in lore and even in gameplay. Dragon Age 2 has plenty of enemies that were those and we FOUGHT against. Also, if you check the Codex we have an example of a Tal-Vashatoh Tal-Vashoth being visited by Brother Genitivi, THEY attack everyone indiscriminately (and he was lucky to escape with his life). Also we have the account of Solas, that himself admit the fact that Tal-Vashoth are violent (though he blames the Qun for it), Sten, and Bull (himself being terrified of becoming a Tal-Vashoth, and through the dialogue he says that the Qun stop the savage nature of his people. He is especially terrified of succumbing to his own bloodlust that he shows quite a lot).



** There are a few things to keep in mind. First off, the Arishok was the ''leader'' of the Qunari military. He is the epitome of "hurt things until the problem is solved," and is annoyed that he's in a situation where that won't help. Sten's talk of executions was actually talking about how when someone is declared a cultural hero, they party so hard that executions are needed--not that people get executed for having fun in general. He was basically saying "psh, you guys think you party? ''Our'' parties are indistinguishable from city-burning riots." The raised from birth, likewise, is true just from a different point of view. Bull was raised to be a soldier like Sten, but when they realized he had a cunning mind as well, put him in a job that could make use of both. Finally, remember that as Bull is one of the secret police, he has a much larger picture than Sten. Most of this stuff was detailed by WordOfGod back in Origins, so it's definitely not a new thing.

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** There are a few things to keep in mind. First off, the Arishok was the ''leader'' of the Qunari military. He is the epitome of "hurt things until the problem is solved," and is annoyed that he's in a situation where that won't help. Sten's talk of executions was actually talking about how when someone is declared a cultural hero, they party so hard that executions are needed--not that people get executed for having fun in general. He was basically saying "psh, you guys think you party? ''Our'' parties are indistinguishable from city-burning riots." The raised from birth, likewise, is true just from a different point of view. Bull was raised to be a soldier like Sten, but when they realized he had a cunning mind as well, put him in a job that could make use of both. Finally, remember that as Bull is one of the secret police, he has a much larger picture than Sten. Most of this stuff was detailed by WordOfGod back in Origins, ''Origins'', so it's definitely not a new thing.



** Simple answer; most people in Thedas don't know what "qunari" actually means, including, apparently, the qunari inquisitor as you can actually ask Iron Bull about that. So they're going to refer to the inquisitor as a qunari because that's just what they know the race as. A few of the more savvy ones will call the inquisitor tal vashoth, even though they're not really tal vashoth, either. A tal vashoth is one who is rebelling against the qun; the qunari inquisitor can't rebel against something they've never seen; they're just "vashoth". And at the end of the day it's easier to just go with what everyone calls you instead of correcting them constantly.

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** Simple answer; most people in Thedas don't know what "qunari" actually means, including, apparently, the qunari inquisitor as you can actually ask Iron Bull about that. So they're going to refer to the inquisitor as a qunari because that's just what they know the race as. A few of the more savvy ones will call the inquisitor tal vashoth, Inquisitor Tal-Vashoth, even though they're not really tal vashoth, Tal-Vashoth, either. A tal vashoth Tal-Vashoth is one who is rebelling against the qun; the qunari inquisitor can't rebel against something they've never seen; they're just "vashoth". And at the end of the day it's easier to just go with what everyone calls you instead of correcting them constantly.



** I have to disagree. While on Hawke's level the stakes where lowered, the first minute of VideoGame/DragonAgeII presented us a Chantry split in two with repercussions in the whole world and that Hawke was somehow responsible for this ([[spoiler:except not]]). So the whole game isn't just spent with Hawke's succes in mind but rather with the desire to see how hawke started the split.

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** I have to disagree. While on Hawke's level the stakes where lowered, the first minute of VideoGame/DragonAgeII ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' presented us a Chantry split in two with repercussions in the whole world and that Hawke was somehow responsible for this ([[spoiler:except not]]). So the whole game isn't just spent with Hawke's succes in mind but rather with the desire to see how hawke Hawke started the split.



** Even more options than that; still a couple of Old Tevinter Dragon Gods left to start a Blight(or more interestingly, get free to do WITHOUT becoming an Archdemon, allowing a glimpse into Pre-Darkspawn Tevinter Empire, I would like the opportunity to find out who the hell managed to BIND these powerful Blood Mage Dragons in the first place.) if they go blight route there are countless ways to make it different from the Origins one maybe even including Corphyeus's contemporaries, [[spoiler: Solas and/or Flemeth's plans. Even if you subscribe to the idea Solas ate Flemeth, Flemeth alluded to the ability to have MULTIPLES of herself out there so it could be a clash of worldly powers manipulated by two elven gods.]] , The Architect's plans, possibly combining with the unaccounted for First Darkspawn Magisters. The Black City actually containing something that wake up from all the Veil tearing business in DA:I is not alluded to, but not out of the realm of possibility. And those are just sequel ideas, as extensive and intricate as the history of Thedas is, they could easily have any number of games in more historically interesting times to give players of the first three games an idea of just how much is remembered and how much is lost to history.

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** Even more options than that; still a couple of Old Tevinter Dragon Gods left to start a Blight(or more interestingly, get free to do WITHOUT becoming an Archdemon, allowing a glimpse into Pre-Darkspawn Tevinter Empire, I would like the opportunity to find out who the hell managed to BIND these powerful Blood Mage Dragons in the first place.) if they go blight route there are countless ways to make it different from the Origins ''Origins'' one maybe even including Corphyeus's contemporaries, [[spoiler: Solas and/or Flemeth's plans. Even if you subscribe to the idea Solas ate Flemeth, Flemeth alluded to the ability to have MULTIPLES of herself out there so it could be a clash of worldly powers manipulated by two elven gods.]] , The Architect's plans, possibly combining with the unaccounted for First Darkspawn Magisters. The Black City actually containing something that wake up from all the Veil tearing business in DA:I is not alluded to, but not out of the realm of possibility. And those are just sequel ideas, as extensive and intricate as the history of Thedas is, they could easily have any number of games in more historically interesting times to give players of the first three games an idea of just how much is remembered and how much is lost to history.



** Wardens sometimes work quite weirdly. In DAO: Awakening, the Warden/Warden-Commander trusted the Joining ritual to Amaranthine's seneschal who wasn't even a Warden.

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** Wardens sometimes work quite weirdly. In DAO: Awakening, ''DAO: Awakening'', the Warden/Warden-Commander trusted the Joining ritual to Amaranthine's seneschal who wasn't even a Warden.



** Well, Duncan showed up in most Origins stories alone without any other Grey Warden. The noble dwarven origin was the only one different if I'm correct because of the proximity to the Deep Roads where the Darkspawn live. So a Grey Warden going around alone recruiting people would not be out of proportion. I mean, recruiting is different from doing the actual Joining. Jory lived in Redcliffe while you were somewhere else, and he was already at the camp with Alistair so they can leave the recruits alone while the recruiter found others. It would be more practical that a Warden walked around recruiting soldiers while the Joining would later be applied.

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** Well, Duncan showed up in most Origins origin stories alone without any other Grey Warden. The noble dwarven origin was the only one different if I'm correct because of the proximity to the Deep Roads where the Darkspawn live. So a Grey Warden going around alone recruiting people would not be out of proportion. I mean, recruiting is different from doing the actual Joining. Jory lived in Redcliffe while you were somewhere else, and he was already at the camp with Alistair so they can leave the recruits alone while the recruiter found others. It would be more practical that a Warden walked around recruiting soldiers while the Joining would later be applied.



** It still raise the question as how the Orlesians wardens would let their second-in-command go AWOL like that.

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** It still raise the question as how the Orlesians wardens Orlesian Wardens would let their second-in-command go AWOL like that.



** Duncan was the Warden Commander of Fereldan before Origins and he went traipsing all over the country for recruits, including the player character. Said player character, after being promoted, proceeds to wander all over a section of Fereldan on all sorts of unrelated adventures during a crisis. Apparently, high-ranking Wardens are allowed to go where they please so long as it's technically in service of the order.

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** Duncan was the Warden Commander of Fereldan before Origins ''Origins'' and he went traipsing all over the country for recruits, including the player character. Said player character, after being promoted, proceeds to wander all over a section of Fereldan Ferelden on all sorts of unrelated adventures during a crisis. Apparently, high-ranking Wardens are allowed to go where they please so long as it's technically in service of the order.



* Somewhat related: why don't any of the Orlesian Wardens say something when you have a guy walking around with you, using the name of their Warden Constable, who is clearly not the same man that they'd know? You address him as Blackwall out loud, and he can even, at your request, give a rallying speech to sway the Wardens to your side. Obviously, Clarel was a bit preoccupied at the time so maybe she didn't notice, fine, but there's still everyone else. Rainier's massacre of the Orlesian lord happened in 9:37 Dragon, by the start of Inquisition it's 9:41 Dragon, and we know Rainier wasn't immediately recruited by his own account, so for no other Warden to recognize Blackwall, they'd all at least have to have undergone the Joining fewer than three years ago. ''Even assuming that's true'', There's still the matter of whichever Warden Hawke introduces you to: Loghain was sent to the Orlesian Wardens at the beginning of Awakening (9:31 Dragon), Stroud is Orlesian by birth and was recruited there, and while Alistair doesn't have a direct connection, he at least seems familiar with the group as a whole by the time of Inquisition. The Inquisitor can bring "Blackwall" to their initial meeting with the Warden and refer to him by name, but none of them question him or treat it as at all strange.

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* Somewhat related: why don't any of the Orlesian Wardens say something when you have a guy walking around with you, using the name of their Warden Constable, who is clearly not the same man that they'd know? You address him as Blackwall out loud, and he can even, at your request, give a rallying speech to sway the Wardens to your side. Obviously, Clarel was a bit preoccupied at the time so maybe she didn't notice, fine, but there's still everyone else. Rainier's massacre of the Orlesian lord happened in 9:37 Dragon, by the start of Inquisition ''Inquisition'' it's 9:41 Dragon, and we know Rainier wasn't immediately recruited by his own account, account; so for no other Warden to recognize Blackwall, they'd all at least have to have undergone the Joining fewer than three years ago. ''Even assuming that's true'', There's there's still the matter of whichever Warden Hawke introduces you to: Loghain was sent to the Orlesian Wardens at the beginning of Awakening (9:31 Dragon), Stroud is Orlesian by birth and was recruited there, and while Alistair doesn't have a direct connection, he at least seems familiar with the group as a whole by the time of Inquisition. The Inquisitor can bring "Blackwall" to their initial meeting with the Warden and refer to him by name, but none of them question him or treat it as at all strange.



** Possible, but unlikely. The Warden Ally specifies that he was forced to flee after he was threatened for objecting to the orders of ''Warden-Commander Clarel.'' Clarel's human, whereas the author of the journals was a Dalish elf. The only other Warden-Commander associated with Southern Thedas is the HoF, who's out of town if alive.

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** Possible, but unlikely. The Warden Ally specifies that he was forced to flee after he was threatened for objecting to the orders of ''Warden-Commander Clarel.'' Clarel's human, whereas the author of the journals was a Dalish elf. The only other Warden-Commander associated with Southern Thedas is the HoF, [=HoF=], who's out of town if alive.



** If Oghren's ability to dream was caused by [[spoiler: his entering the Fade]], the same may be true for Varric. Leaving aside the events of ''Inquisition'', it is possible for Varric to [[spoiler: accompany Hawke into the Fade to rescue Feynriel]] during ''Dragon Age II''. If the events of ''Until We Sleep'' are canon, he also [[spoiler: enters the Fade with Alistair, Isabela, and Maevaris. It is unclear exactly when those events occur, but since Alistair is king of Ferelden, and no mention is made of Varric being viscount of Kirkwall]], it is presumably some time after the end of ''Origins'', but before ''Trespasser''.
*** It's set between''II'' and ''Inquisition''. That's why [[spoiler:Varric is already acquainted with Isabela, but Hawke isn't part of the adventure - he/she is already on the run.]]

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** If Oghren's ability to dream was caused by [[spoiler: his entering the Fade]], the same may be true for Varric. Leaving aside the events of ''Inquisition'', it is possible for Varric to [[spoiler: accompany Hawke into the Fade to rescue Feynriel]] during ''Dragon Age II''. If the events of ''Until We Sleep'' are canon, he also [[spoiler: enters the Fade with Alistair, Isabela, and Maevaris. It is unclear exactly when those events occur, but since Alistair is king King of Ferelden, and no mention is made of Varric being viscount Viscount of Kirkwall]], it is presumably some time after the end of ''Origins'', but before ''Trespasser''.
*** It's set between''II'' between ''II'' and ''Inquisition''. That's why [[spoiler:Varric is already acquainted with Isabela, but Hawke isn't part of the adventure - he/she is already on the run.]]



* So, this is more one that concern the entire series but, why do we only see mages getting possessed ? The Origins codex (I don't know if that's still the case in the ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' and Inquisition,) mention that demons make offer to "powerful people". So why don't we see any king/general possessed ? Hell, why isn't the Empress of Orlais the prey of a demon ?

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* So, this is more one that concern the entire series but, why do we only see mages getting possessed ? The Origins ''Origins'' codex (I don't know if that's still the case in the ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' and Inquisition,) mention ''Inquisition'') mentions that demons make offer offers to "powerful people". So why don't we see any king/general possessed ? possessed? Hell, why isn't the Empress of Orlais the prey of a demon ?



** "Forced" is an ambiguous term when it comes to demonic possession. Uldred tortured mages into agreeing to possession in Origins. And Keran said that he was careful not to take anything the mages or the demons offered him when Tarohne held him captive, so evidently people can also be "tricked" into being possessed.

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** "Forced" is an ambiguous term when it comes to demonic possession. Uldred tortured mages into agreeing to possession in Origins.''Origins''. And Keran said that he was careful not to take anything the mages or the demons offered him when Tarohne held him captive, so evidently people can also be "tricked" into being possessed.



** Humorous idea on how to get the Warden involved without the need for more voice actors is for the Warden to have their throat take a light injury and then bandaged. So the rest of the game has them writing or making gestures that only Morrigan, Leliana, or Alistar can understand.

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** Humorous idea on how to get the Warden involved without the need for more voice actors is for the Warden to have their throat take a light injury and then bandaged. So the rest of the game has them writing or making gestures that only Morrigan, Leliana, or Alistar Alistair can understand.



** Then again, The Hero of Ferelden can be replaced by an Orlesian Warden in Awakening: there '''is''' a character holding the title of Warden Commander of Ferelden: the writers could easily write a script where the Orlesian Warden and the Origins' protagonist are interchangeable, except from a few differences in cutscenes/banters and a couple of mutually exclusive sidequests.

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** Then again, The Hero of Ferelden can be replaced by an Orlesian Warden in Awakening: ''Awakening'': there '''is''' a character holding the title of Warden Commander of Ferelden: the writers could easily write a script where the Orlesian Warden and the Origins' ''Origins'' protagonist are interchangeable, except from a few differences in cutscenes/banters and a couple of mutually exclusive sidequests.



** I'm pretty sure even in the medieval world there was some sort of contraception/sort of abortion (you know, to interrupt pregnancy at its beginning). I'm also pretty sure that even a romanced Morrigan doesn't really like the idea of having a child in Origins.
** No, the closest thing to contraceptives that were widely available in Medieval Europe were primitive condoms, which obviously aren't a factor if the pregnancy has already begun. As for not liking kids, Morrigan's whole plan involved [[StalkerWithATestTube becoming pregnant with a rookie Grey Warden's child]], so she was prepared to handle a pregnancy from the beginning. Now that she finds herself pregnant with the child of the only man she ever loved, she would be committed to bringing the child up as best as she could because it is one of the only people she ever cared about. Play Inquisition and you'll see that she value Kieran so much that she'd submit to her worst nightmare if it guaranteed his safety.

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** I'm pretty sure even in the medieval world there was some sort of contraception/sort of abortion (you know, to interrupt pregnancy at its beginning). I'm also pretty sure that even a romanced Morrigan doesn't really like the idea of having a child in Origins.''Origins''.
** No, the closest thing to contraceptives that were widely available in Medieval Europe were primitive condoms, which obviously aren't a factor if the pregnancy has already begun. As for not liking kids, Morrigan's whole plan involved [[StalkerWithATestTube becoming pregnant with a rookie Grey Warden's child]], so she was prepared to handle a pregnancy from the beginning. Now that she finds herself pregnant with the child of the only man she ever loved, she would be committed to bringing the child up as best as she could because it is one of the only people she ever cared about. Play Inquisition ''Inquisition'' and you'll see that she value values Kieran so much that she'd submit to her worst nightmare if it guaranteed his safety.



** Exactly. It's also worth pointing out that the Inquisitor only became the de facto leader after the first act is done, before that the leadership is shared between Cassandra, Leliana, Josephine and Cullen, who are almost never on the same page regarding any decision and bicker to no end. The Herald of Andraste ends up calling the shots because the Inquisition's leadership is inefficient and gets nothing done, until they decide that the Herald is a pretty good leader and make their post official.

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** Exactly. It's also worth pointing out that the Inquisitor only became the de facto leader after the first act is done, done; before that that, the leadership is shared between Cassandra, Leliana, Josephine and Cullen, who are almost never on the same page regarding any decision and bicker to no end. The Herald of Andraste ends up calling the shots because the Inquisition's leadership is inefficient and gets nothing done, until they decide that the Herald is a pretty good leader and make their post official.



The last idea that came through my head about this is how meaning interact with the Fade. What Corypheus did was a spell that allowed him to enter the Fade, and to do so he needed a sacrifice. Sacrifice is not for oneself, but to others, taking away someone or something of importance that had a lot of meaning to people (life in most cases). The leader of the biggest spiritual and religious organization of Thedas? One that is quite well liked? It's quite a loss to MANY people. This one is actually speculation, but it does make somewhat sense.

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The last idea that came through my head about this is how meaning interact with the Fade. What Corypheus did was a spell that allowed him to enter the Fade, and to do so he needed a sacrifice. Sacrifice is not for oneself, but to others, taking away someone or something of importance that had a lot of meaning to people (life in most cases). The leader of the biggest spiritual and religious organization of Thedas? One that is quite well liked? It's quite a loss to MANY people. This one is actually speculation, but it does make somewhat some sense.












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* Arguably this point could apply to many of the other factions in the game too, but it's most notable with the templars. How come absolutely none of the named templars (or ex-templars), whether of high or low rank, are Orlesians? Barriss? Fereldan. Knight-Captain Denam? Marcher or Fereldan (possibly Nevarran or Tevinter, but unlikely). Samson? Marcher. Carroll? Fereldan. Cullen? Fereldan. Belinda Darrow (the templar multiplayer character)? Marcher. Rylen? Marcher. Heck, as far as I remember, none of the unnamed templars at Therinfal or any of the Red Templars you hear speaking throughout the rest of the game sound Orlesian either. The Chantry was founded in Orlais, and it is/was the headquarters of both the chantry and (more importantly) the templar and seeker orders. Are we really supposed to believe that the Inquisition would just happen to only interact with non-Orlesian templars? This made sense in prior games, because they took place exclusively in Ferelden and Kirkwall, but Orlais is a major location and home to at least half the main quests in Inquisition. The should be SOME orlesian templars at least, if not make up the majority of their footsoldiers and higher-ranking officers (given their proximity to Val Royeaux, it seems Orlesian templars would have more opportunity to be picked into the Knights-Divine or rise to Knight-Vigilant). As it is, it's almost like we're supposed to assume that all the Orlesian members of the order died at the conclave or something. And don't say it's because Orlesians are pansies - remember that they conquered at least half the continent in the past.

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[[folder: Why aren't there any orlesians Orlesians among the templars?]]

* Arguably this point could apply to many of the other factions in the game too, but it's most notable with the templars. How come absolutely none of the named templars (or ex-templars), whether of high or low rank, are Orlesians? Barriss? Barris? Fereldan. Knight-Captain Denam? Marcher or Fereldan (possibly Nevarran or Tevinter, but unlikely). Samson? Marcher. Carroll? Fereldan. Cullen? Fereldan. Belinda Darrow (the templar multiplayer character)? Marcher. Rylen? Marcher. Heck, as far as I remember, none of the unnamed templars at Therinfal or any of the Red Templars you hear speaking throughout the rest of the game sound Orlesian either. The Chantry was founded in Orlais, and it is/was the headquarters of both the chantry and (more importantly) the templar and seeker orders. Are we really supposed to believe that the Inquisition would just happen to only interact with non-Orlesian templars? This made sense in prior games, because they took place exclusively in Ferelden and Kirkwall, but Orlais is a major location and home to at least half the main quests in Inquisition. The should be SOME orlesian Orlesian templars at least, if not make up the majority of their footsoldiers and higher-ranking officers (given their proximity to Val Royeaux, it seems Orlesian templars would have more opportunity to be picked into the Knights-Divine or rise to Knight-Vigilant). As it is, it's almost like we're supposed to assume that all the Orlesian members of the order died at the conclave or something. And don't say it's because Orlesians are pansies - remember that they conquered at least half the continent in the past.



** Honestly, I could put up with a few more fake french accents for the sake of immersion. The fact that there are none to be found in the templar order at all is more distracting than any of the french accents I heard throughout the game. Sure, I don't speak french, so I don't know how good or bad they are, but at least none are really unpleasant to listen to (unlike Lady Isolde's, which made my ears bleed at times...).

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** Honestly, I could put up with a few more fake french French accents for the sake of immersion. The fact that there are none to be found in the templar order at all is more distracting than any of the french French accents I heard throughout the game. Sure, I don't speak french, French, so I don't know how good or bad they are, but at least none are really unpleasant to listen to (unlike Lady Isolde's, which made my ears bleed at times...).



** The orlesian templars are probably few in number because they're likely killed in the Mage-Templar War, the explosion at the Temple of the Sacred Ashes or they joined the Red Templars. There's also the fact that some templars choose to abandon the order and the ones who doesn't join the Inquisition, join either the mages or the wardens.

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** The orlesian Orlesian templars are probably few in number because they're likely killed in the Mage-Templar War, the explosion at the Temple of the Sacred Ashes or they joined the Red Templars. There's also the fact that some templars choose to abandon the order and the ones who doesn't join the Inquisition, join either the mages or the wardens.




* So back in Origins, Alistair mentioned that the Templars don't actually ''need'' Lyrium for their abilities. I can get why Cullen, at least, hasn't figured out that the Chantry was lying, since trust in the Chantry is kind of one of his problems. But the game seems to really imply that yep, Templars do need it. And it just keeps bugging me, because lyrium use was never mentioned for the Warrior in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', and Alistair made it explicit that he'd never taken Lyrium at all ever and he was getting his Templar on all over the place. The fact that David Gaider was Alistair's primary writer makes it double weird.
** I've noticed this too. Most likely Gaider & Co. just realized that it didn't make any sense for people to be able to unlock templar abilities without lyrium, so they quietly retconned it, or they forgot about what Alistair said in DAO. The lack of lyrium use in VideoGame/DragonAgeII was probably for the same reason that Hawke can throw around blood magic willy-nilly without anyone noticing, or why we never see a Reaver Hawke drink dragon blood - the specializations simply had no impact on the story at all in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' (or maybe there was one instant where you could resist blood magic if you were a templar, I forget...). That said, my personal headcanon on this issue is that normally lyrium is required, but Grey Wardens can get around that because there is a little lyrium in the Joining cocktail (Alistair does say that lyrium is an ingredient in the Joining, after all), and so Alistair and the Warden could draw the necessary power to use templar abilities from that (it's also worth noting that the templar spec in DAO is weaker than in later games; that could be because there is less lyrium in their bodies for Alistair and/or the Warden to draw upon). As for if you make Sten and Oghren templars too, well, if the theory that the Qunari are natural reavers is true, Sten may somehow be able to draw on his dragon-blood to do it. In DAI, Cole claims that the dwarves' magical resistance works similarly to templar abilities, so they may actually be natural templars somehow, which would explain Oghren and a dwarf Warden. Both the warrior companions in Awakening are wardens (well, Justice is possessing the body of a warden anyway...), so the aforementioned explanation for Alistair and the Warden would apply to them too.
** Alistair was a Templar ''before'' he was a Warden, though. He's the son of a Warden, too, and one that somehow ceased to be a Warden, so maybe he's not exactly a completely normal human to begin with. Also, I always thought of Origins Templars as stronger than the ones in later games. They're capable of really wrecking mages really easily.

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\n* So back in Origins, ''Origins'', Alistair mentioned that the Templars don't actually ''need'' Lyrium for their abilities. I can get why Cullen, at least, hasn't figured out that the Chantry was lying, since trust in the Chantry is kind of one of his problems. But the game seems to really imply that yep, Templars do need it. And it just keeps bugging me, because lyrium use was never mentioned for the Warrior in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', and Alistair made it explicit that he'd never taken Lyrium at all ever and he was getting his Templar on all over the place. The fact that David Gaider was Alistair's primary writer makes it double weird.
** I've noticed this too. Most likely Gaider & Co. just realized that it didn't make any sense for people to be able to unlock templar abilities without lyrium, so they quietly retconned it, or they forgot about what Alistair said in DAO. The lack of lyrium use in VideoGame/DragonAgeII ''II'' was probably for the same reason that Hawke can throw around blood magic willy-nilly without anyone noticing, or why we never see a Reaver Hawke drink dragon blood - the specializations simply had no impact on the story at all in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' ''II'' (or maybe there was one instant where you could resist blood magic if you were a templar, I forget...). That said, my personal headcanon on this issue is that normally lyrium is required, but Grey Wardens can get around that because there is a little lyrium in the Joining cocktail (Alistair does say that lyrium is an ingredient in the Joining, after all), and so Alistair and the Warden could draw the necessary power to use templar abilities from that (it's also worth noting that the templar spec in DAO is weaker than in later games; that could be because there is less lyrium in their bodies for Alistair and/or the Warden to draw upon). As for if you make Sten and Oghren templars too, well, if the theory that the Qunari are natural reavers is true, Sten may somehow be able to draw on his dragon-blood to do it. In DAI, Cole claims that the dwarves' magical resistance works similarly to templar abilities, so they may actually be natural templars somehow, which would explain Oghren and a dwarf Warden. Both the warrior companions in Awakening are wardens (well, Justice is possessing the body of a warden anyway...), so the aforementioned explanation for Alistair and the Warden would apply to them too.
** Alistair was a Templar ''before'' he was a Warden, though. He's the son of a Warden, too, and one that somehow ceased to be a Warden, so maybe he's not exactly a completely normal human to begin with. Also, I always thought of Origins ''Origins'' Templars as stronger than the ones in later games. They're capable of really wrecking mages really easily.



** OK, that's a touch excessive (and I'm the guy who posted the previous point). The Dalish do have a hell of a lot more Elven lore than any of the city elves and likely know more than anyone but scholars like Finn who have Tevinter resources and the time to study them. They have got a lot wrong and there's a lot they flat out don't know but it's not fair to call them arrogant given that they freely admit that there's a lot they don't know and they're probably wrong on a lot. Some clans, like the one in Masked Empire, are fairly unpleasent but the others we've seen or heard about, namely the Sabrae clan, Zathrian's clan, Vehlanna's clan, the Lavellan clan and the one you meet in the Exalted Plains, are actually some of the most decent and stable social groups in the setting. They are stand-offish around humans but that's caution, not arrogance; humans are usually dangerous for them. As for the gods, (spoilers incoming but frankly if you haven't finished the game you're on the wrong page) Flemeth actually shows a great deal of respect for the Dalish and in fact worked with them in ''The Stolen Throne'' and ''Dragon Age II'' and, while Solas doesn't like them, a Dalish Inquisitor can point out to him that the Dalish are doing the best they can with what two separate cultural rapes left them with and Solas concedes the point. The Dalish know ''their'' culture perfectly well and have plenty of substance, they just don't know ''Arlathan's'' culture all that well, But they know that. Expecting the Dalish to be like Arlathan, like Abelas does, is like expecting Orlais to still be as Drakon left it or Fereldan to be just like it was in Calenhad's day.

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** OK, that's a touch excessive (and I'm the guy who posted the previous point). The Dalish do have a hell of a lot more Elven lore than any of the city elves and likely know more than anyone but scholars like Finn who have Tevinter resources and the time to study them. They have got a lot wrong and there's a lot they flat out don't know but it's not fair to call them arrogant given that they freely admit that there's a lot they don't know and they're probably wrong on a lot. Some clans, like the one in Masked Empire, are fairly unpleasent but the others we've seen or heard about, namely the Sabrae clan, Zathrian's clan, Vehlanna's clan, the Lavellan clan and the one you meet in the Exalted Plains, are actually some of the most decent and stable social groups in the setting. They are stand-offish around humans but that's caution, not arrogance; humans are usually dangerous for them. As for the gods, (spoilers incoming but frankly if you haven't finished the game you're on the wrong page) Flemeth actually shows a great deal of respect for the Dalish and in fact worked with them in ''The Stolen Throne'' and ''Dragon Age II'' and, while Solas doesn't like them, a Dalish Inquisitor can point out to him that the Dalish are doing the best they can with what two separate cultural rapes left them with and Solas concedes the point. The Dalish know ''their'' culture perfectly well and have plenty of substance, they just don't know ''Arlathan's'' culture all that well, But they know that. Expecting the Dalish to be like Arlathan, like Abelas does, is like expecting Orlais to still be as Drakon left it or Fereldan Ferelden to be just like it was in Calenhad's day.



** Haven may be in Ferelden on the map but then so is Orzammar. Prior to the events of Origins the population of Haven never paid any attention to the rulers or Ferelden and it's current population were loyal to the Divine and now the Inquisition. It's effectively a micro state. Also the later uses of Caer Bronach, Griffon Wing Keep and Suledin Keep suggests both Ferelden and Orlais are fine with ceding small amounts of land to Inquisition control. Finally even if the mages are still on Fereldan land they're a long way from any actual Ferelden populations so the effect is much the same as if they'd sailed to Antiva. The borders of a country are fuzzier when a country's laws only stretch as far as the rulers can send troops.
** It's also mentioned in Origins that the border between Orlais and Ferelden isn't so much a stark division as it is a gradient - the maps in the war room are just separated for convenience sake. What piece of land belongs to which country depends largely on who you ask, and when you ask. And much of the area is so remote, that few would even bother trying to lay claim to it. It might very well be that most in Ferelden consider Haven to be a part of Orlais, whereas those in Orlais see it as a part of Ferelden.

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** Haven may be in Ferelden on the map but then so is Orzammar. Prior to the events of Origins ''Origins'', the population of Haven never paid any attention to the rulers or Ferelden Ferelden, and it's its current population were loyal to the Divine and now the Inquisition. It's effectively a micro state. Also the later uses of Caer Bronach, Griffon Wing Keep and Suledin Keep suggests both Ferelden and Orlais are fine with ceding small amounts of land to Inquisition control. Finally even if the mages are still on Fereldan land they're a long way from any actual Ferelden populations so the effect is much the same as if they'd sailed to Antiva. The borders of a country are fuzzier when a country's laws only stretch as far as the rulers can send troops.
** It's also mentioned in Origins ''Origins'' that the border between Orlais and Ferelden isn't so much a stark division as it is a gradient - the maps in the war room are just separated for convenience sake. What piece of land belongs to which country depends largely on who you ask, and when you ask. And much of the area is so remote, that few would even bother trying to lay claim to it. It might very well be that most in Ferelden consider Haven to be a part of Orlais, whereas those in Orlais see it as a part of Ferelden.



*** Orzammar is not part of Ferelden, is another country, just listen in DAO when a Loghain's minion tries to make the dwarves sworn loyalty to "king" Loghain and the gatekeeper just dismiss his claims as nosense. Orzammar is like Andorra (situated between Spain and France, yet not part of neither).

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*** Orzammar is not part of Ferelden, is another country, just listen in DAO when a Loghain's minion tries to make the dwarves sworn swear loyalty to "king" "King" Loghain and the gatekeeper just dismiss his claims as nosense. nonsense. Orzammar is like Andorra (situated between Spain and France, yet not part of neither).
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** If Hawke survives the Fade in ''Here Lies the Abyss'', he/she is mentioned in the epilogue slides to be helping Varric rebuild Kirkwall. I suppose the kindest guess is that he/she didn't want the position after all that's happened, preferring a quieter life.

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** If Hawke survives the Fade in ''Here "Here Lies the Abyss'', Abyss", he/she is mentioned in the epilogue slides to be helping Varric rebuild Kirkwall. I suppose the kindest guess is that he/she didn't want the position after all that's happened, preferring a quieter life.



** Plus, Hawke has almost always seemed the type to avoid offices of public responsibility (Aveline gives them trouble for not petitioning for a title in Act 2 or 3 of Dragon Age 2) and may have preferred to be the Viscount's drinking buddy instead. Varric exhibits a similar reluctance to take a public post of responsibility, what with near-religiously avoiding meetings with the Merchant Guild, but his CharacterDevelopment in ''Inquisition'' may have pushed him to go for Viscount.

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** Plus, Hawke has almost always seemed the type to avoid offices of public responsibility (Aveline gives them trouble for not petitioning for a title in Act 2 or 3 of Dragon ''Dragon Age 2) II'') and may have preferred to be the Viscount's drinking buddy instead. Varric exhibits a similar reluctance to take a public post of responsibility, what with near-religiously avoiding meetings with the Merchant Guild, but his CharacterDevelopment in ''Inquisition'' may have pushed him to go for Viscount.



* He says, "I was Solas first", he never says who gave him the name. Since there's nothing to contradict Cole, the implication seems to be that Solas is a name he took for himself at some point before he adopted Dread Wolf as an identity. There's nothing to indicate either way, but if he was telling the truth about befriending spirits in his youth, he may have taken the name Pride in order to fit in better with them.

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* He says, "I was Solas first", but he never says who gave him the name. Since there's nothing to contradict Cole, the implication seems to be that Solas is a name he took for himself at some point before he adopted Dread Wolf as an identity. There's nothing to indicate either way, but if he was telling the truth about befriending spirits in his youth, he may have taken the name Pride in order to fit in better with them.









** Even back in Origins if you look at their legends about the Dread Wolf even they admit they have no idea how or why he sealed the others away. They're not even sure he did it, it's just their best guess. If he were to provide actual answers, which we know he can, he would be able to convince a large number of elves to follow him, especially given what he's offering. Also remember Dalish lore varies from clan to clan, so even if some clans utterly despise him there would likely be others that were sympathetic.

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** Even back in Origins ''Origins'', if you look at their legends about the Dread Wolf Wolf, even they admit they have no idea how or why he sealed the others away. They're not even sure he did it, it's just their best guess. If he were to provide actual answers, which we know he can, he would be able to convince a large number of elves to follow him, especially given what he's offering. Also remember Dalish lore varies from clan to clan, so even if some clans utterly despise him there would likely be others that were sympathetic.



* So since the status of what went on within the temple and what happened to brother Genitivi is not a choice in DA Keep for some reason, the Hero of Ferelden apparently did not reveal to the world the location of the Temple of Sacred Ashes and brother Genitivi has gone missing. Why did Bioware choose this scenario to be canon? Wouldn't it have made more sense to have brother Genitivi reveal the location of the temple since the conclave takes place there?
** Whatever choice you make in Origins it's Brother Genitivi who is choosing to reveal the location of the Urn. The Hero and his/her party have other things to be getting on with. The way the codex is phrased it's ambiguous as to whether Genitivi went missing because the Hero killed him in the Urn quest or if he went home and gave his research to the Chantry but vanished later before it could be verified and the Urn was gone by the time the Chantry reached the Temple. Since Bioware wanted the Temple as the start of Inquisition they needed to give such ambiguity to cover all player choices. Unlike the Keep choices the game couldn't alter based on player choice too much since it had to start at the Temple no matter what. One can debate whether that was a good decision or not of course.

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* So since the status of what went on within the temple and what happened to brother Brother Genitivi is not a choice in DA Keep for some reason, the Hero of Ferelden apparently did not reveal to the world the location of the Temple of Sacred Ashes and brother Genitivi has gone missing. Why did Bioware choose this scenario to be canon? Wouldn't it have made more sense to have brother Brother Genitivi reveal the location of the temple since the conclave takes place there?
** Whatever choice you make in Origins ''Origins'', it's Brother Genitivi who is choosing to reveal the location of the Urn. The Hero and his/her party have other things to be getting on with. The way the codex is phrased it's ambiguous as to whether Genitivi went missing because the Hero killed him in the Urn quest or if he went home and gave his research to the Chantry but vanished later before it could be verified and the Urn was gone by the time the Chantry reached the Temple. Since Bioware wanted the Temple as the start of Inquisition they needed to give such ambiguity to cover all player choices. Unlike the Keep choices the game couldn't alter based on player choice too much since it had to start at the Temple no matter what. One can debate whether that was a good decision or not of course.



* Hang on a sec... it was a major plot point in ''Origins'' that Cailan and Anora didn't have an heir, so Alistair was brought forward so he could pump out more Therin kids. But ten years on from ''Origins'' and not only are there no heirs, if Alistair isn't married to Anora or the Warden, he's ''still single''. Shouldn't someone have brought up marriage negotiations by now? Sure, Alistair's only thirty or so, but he's still got the Taint and he's not immune to the Calling--guy's on a timetable, and one that's getting increasingly shorter. Wouldn't Eamon, at least, be sitting in the background and tapping his watch with a really meaningful look?

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* Hang on a sec... it was a major plot point in ''Origins'' that Cailan and Anora didn't have an heir, so Alistair was brought forward so he could pump out more Therin Theirin kids. But ten years on from ''Origins'' and not only are there no heirs, if Alistair isn't married to Anora or the Warden, he's ''still single''. Shouldn't someone have brought up marriage negotiations by now? Sure, Alistair's only thirty or so, but he's still got the Taint and he's not immune to the Calling--guy's on a timetable, and one that's getting increasingly shorter. Wouldn't Eamon, at least, be sitting in the background and tapping his watch with a really meaningful look?



** Alistair and the Hero can have children, it's just since they're both tainted the odds are very low (and since she keeps taking off for long periods of time even lower). Alistair was put on the throne because he had the right bloodline and Loghain wasn't a popular choice, if he doesn't provide an heir that's a problem for later, they were in a hurry during Origins as they needed a leader who could command the land and oppose the Blight. we don't even know how hard he's even trying to produce heirs, and we likely won't get official word until it's absolutely necessary since there were so many possibilities for how that situation went down.

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** Alistair and the Hero can have children, it's just since they're both tainted the odds are very low (and since she keeps taking off for long periods of time even lower). Alistair was put on the throne because he had the right bloodline and Loghain wasn't a popular choice, choice; if he doesn't provide an heir that's a problem for later, they later. They were in a hurry during Origins ''Origins'' as they needed a leader who could command the land and oppose the Blight. we We don't even know how hard he's even trying to produce heirs, and we likely won't get official word until it's absolutely necessary since there were so many possibilities for how that situation went down.



** I have what may be an explanation; the Hero is looking for a method to cure the Calling. Judging from his/her return (if romancing Leliana dialogue in Trespasser states that he/she is back, no reason to think a Hero that didn't romance Leliana met with less luck) then the Hero succeeded. Even if the Hero is dead the same leads he/she follows still exist for some other Warden to look into. If Alistair is aware of this perhaps he's waiting until he hears back about that, since if the cure works then there's a decent chance it'll fix the fertility issue as well so he might as well wait until that's fixed and he has a much better shot at an heir. As for Anora there's two things there; first, Anora may very well be infertile through entirely non-Blight related reasons (it was noted by some characters in Origins that Cailin and Anora have been married for a while with no kids arriving) and second, if Anora holds the throne on her own then the prestigious bloodline thing doesn't apply and she can pretty much name whoever she wants as her successor and it'll be much the same as her actual child. Her family has only even been nobility for two generations.

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** I have what may be an explanation; the Hero is looking for a method to cure the Calling. Judging from his/her return (if romancing Leliana dialogue in Trespasser states that he/she is back, no reason to think a Hero that didn't romance Leliana met with less luck) then the Hero succeeded. Even if the Hero is dead the same leads he/she follows still exist for some other Warden to look into. If Alistair is aware of this perhaps he's waiting until he hears back about that, since if the cure works then there's a decent chance it'll fix the fertility issue as well so he might as well wait until that's fixed and he has a much better shot at an heir. As for Anora there's two things there; first, Anora may very well be infertile through entirely non-Blight related reasons (it was noted by some characters in Origins ''Origins'' that Cailin Cailan and Anora have been married for a while with no kids arriving) and second, if Anora holds the throne on her own own, then the prestigious bloodline thing doesn't apply and she can pretty much name whoever she wants as her successor and it'll be much the same as her actual child. Her family has only even been nobility for two generations.















* Back in ''Origins'' (and ''2'', to a lesser extent) you were practically tripping over them; now, in ''Inquisition'', there's only Imshael the "choice spirit". Where are all the half-naked purple people?

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* Back in ''Origins'' (and ''2'', ''II'', to a lesser extent) you were practically tripping over them; now, in ''Inquisition'', there's only Imshael the "choice spirit". Where are all the half-naked purple people?



** More likely because a) Desire Demons were pretty wimpy enemies in combat,and b) Bioware by 2014 was moving away from 'fanservice' character design like Origins' near-naked Desire Demons. I'm actually kind of surprised they let Morrigan keep her old outfit.

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** More likely because a) Desire Demons were pretty wimpy enemies in combat,and combat, and b) Bioware by 2014 was moving away from 'fanservice' character design like Origins' the near-naked Desire Demons.Demons in ''Origins''. I'm actually kind of surprised they let Morrigan keep her old outfit.



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* Why Divine Justinia believe that The Warden will accept being inquisitor if Leliana and Cassandra find him? I now that The Warden is one of the most powerful person in Southern Thedas and Justinia was desperate but, still, The Warden will probably reject the proposal with the excuse of stay neutral for being a grey warden or simply to continue with his own plans (investigating the cure of the taint, how Fiona managed to being immune to the taint, etc). So, what's the point behind that idea?

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* Why did Divine Justinia believe that The the Warden will would accept being inquisitor Inquisitor if Leliana and Cassandra find him? them? I now know that The the Warden is one of the most powerful person people in Southern Thedas and Justinia was desperate but, desperate; but still, The the Warden will would probably reject the proposal with the excuse of stay staying neutral for being a grey warden Grey Warden or simply to continue with his own plans (investigating the cure of the taint, how Fiona managed to being immune to the taint, etc).etc.). So, what's the point behind that idea?



** The Warden most definately has stepped down from that role (Anders would have been unlikely to run to Kirkwall otherwise and anyway it's hard to command a group you're hundreds of miles away from). However it is pretty common for retired soldiers to continue to use their rank. In at least one case I'm aware of one soldier (Creator/RLeeErmey) was ''promoted'' after retiring. It would not be at all surprising that the Warden would continue to use their title after leaving the position.
** The books follow Bioware's own worldstate, where the Warden is a female dalish who died killing the Archdemon, which it's more than likely that this means that the replacement never happened in the worldstates where the Warden survived. Also, 1) the lore mentioned that when a Warden-Commander is absent (like being called from Weisshaupt), the second-in-command aka the Warden-Constable take command until the Warden-Commander returned, and 2) most of the epilogues from the first games aren't canon (like the one where Cullen goes crazy and killed some mages). So, it's possible that in the time the Warden is doing his mission, the Fereldan branch of the Wardens are leaded by the Fereldan Warden-Constable, whoever s/he is.

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** The Warden most definately definitely has stepped down from that role (Anders would have been unlikely to run to Kirkwall otherwise and anyway it's hard to command a group you're hundreds of miles away from). However it is pretty common for retired soldiers to continue to use their rank. In at least one case I'm aware of one soldier (Creator/RLeeErmey) was ''promoted'' after retiring. It would not be at all surprising that the Warden would continue to use their title after leaving the position.
** The books follow Bioware's own worldstate, where the Warden is a female dalish Dalish who died killing the Archdemon, which it's more than likely that this means that the replacement never happened in the worldstates where the Warden survived. Also, 1) the lore mentioned that when a Warden-Commander is absent (like being called from Weisshaupt), the second-in-command aka the Warden-Constable take command until the Warden-Commander returned, and 2) most of the epilogues from the first games aren't canon (like the one where Cullen goes crazy and killed some mages). So, it's possible that in the time the Warden is doing his mission, the Fereldan branch of the Wardens are leaded led by the Fereldan Warden-Constable, whoever s/he is.
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'''Iron Bull:''' ''[laughs]'' Really? Puts some hair on your face and no one can tell who you are anymore? That's some disguise, big guy.\\
'''Blackwall:''' And I didn't talk to anyone for months at the time.\\

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'''Iron Bull:''' ''[laughs]'' Really? Puts Put some hair on your face and no one can tell who you are anymore? That's some disguise, big guy.\\
'''Blackwall:''' And I didn't talk to anyone for months at the a time.\\



** Mae, if I recall correctly, is actually involved with this big bearded Thor looking chap. Anyway, in terms of whether he should be a LI...it seems like the logic is that you think it should have been done for social progression? Not a bad argument, but they've gone on record in saying that's not how they do things. I also think Krem would be a poor choice--a minor character who is a part of an optional character's entourage? A lot of people would complain it wasn't fully fledged that way. A full companion trans character would be nicer.

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** Mae, if I recall correctly, is actually involved with this big bearded Thor looking chap. Anyway, in terms of whether he should be a LI... it seems like the logic is that you think it should have been done for social progression? Not a bad argument, but they've gone on record in saying that's not how they do things. I also think Krem would be a poor choice--a minor character who is a part of an optional character's entourage? A lot of people would complain it wasn't fully fledged that way. A full companion trans character would be nicer.



* When you meet Varric a year into the future, why doesn't his chest gets hairier or beard longer (not counting game limitations)

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** I may be wrong, but I seem to recall having read that Varric actually ''shaves'' his beard regularly. Beards are very much a staple of Orzammar society, so Varric shaves in order to continue his lifelong trend of bucking their traditions. I don't know if it was canon or just a fan theory, but I know I read it somewhere and it made sense to me.
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** Or, indeed, Corypheus expecting Tevinter to be exactly as he left it. Or Solas wanting the world to be how he lived. [[NotSoDifferent Can't help but see a parallel there.]]

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** Or, indeed, Corypheus expecting Tevinter to be exactly as he left it. Or Solas wanting the world to be how he lived. [[NotSoDifferent Can't help but see a parallel there.]]
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** Given that he was a high ranking warden during the blight, Blackwall was likely approaching his calling. As such he likely already passed his responsibilities to a successor, and had decided to spend his remaining years recruiting and doing good deeds. Also likely why he was so willing to sacrifice himself for this random criminal he met, he was living on borrowed time anyway.
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** The books follow Bioware's own worldstate, where the Warden is a female dalish who died killing the Archdemon, which it's more than likely that this means that the replacement never happened in the worldstates where the Warden survived. Also, 1) the lore mentioned that when a Warden-Commander is absent (like being called from Weisshaupt), the second-in-command aka the Warden-Constable take command until the Warden-Commander returned, and 2) most of the epilogues from the first games aren't canon (like the one where Cullen goes crazy and killed some mages). So, it's possible that in the time the Warden is doing his mission, the Fereldan branch of the Wardens are leaded by the Fereldan Warden-Constable, whoever s/he is.
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** It is pretty common for retired soldiers to continue to use their rank. In at least one case I'm aware of one soldier (Creator/RLeeErmey) was ''promoted'' after retiring. It would not be at all surprising that the Warden would continue to use their title after leaving the position.

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** It The Warden most definately has stepped down from that role (Anders would have been unlikely to run to Kirkwall otherwise and anyway it's hard to command a group you're hundreds of miles away from). However it is pretty common for retired soldiers to continue to use their rank. In at least one case I'm aware of one soldier (Creator/RLeeErmey) was ''promoted'' after retiring. It would not be at all surprising that the Warden would continue to use their title after leaving the position.
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** It is pretty common for retired soldiers to continue to use their rank. In at least one case I'm aware of one soldier (Creator/RLeeErmey) was ''promoted'' after retiring. It would not be at all surprising that the Warden would continue to use their title after leaving the position.

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