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*** The lady had already been given two extensions on her loan. She'd already been given her second chance twice over and had not payed the loan bank. She decided to take her vengeance out on society on a bank teller when the bank had already helped her out, twice when they did not need to but it was absolutely clear she would not pay and her reaction to being rejected was murder.
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*** The lady had already been given two extensions on her loan. She'd already been given her second chance twice over and had not payed the loan bank. She decided to take her vengeance out on society on a bank teller when the bank had already helped her out, twice when they did not need to but it was absolutely clear she would not pay and her reaction to being rejected was murder.
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** I got the impression that machete guy was trying his best, but was too freaked out by there being an actual demon doing freaky demon things. Presumably in an ideal situation he wouldn't have missed.
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* If Christine wants to get rid of the curse, ''and'' maybe get some revenge, why not just give the button to Ganush's family?
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* If Christine wants to get rid of the curse, ''and'' maybe get some revenge, why not just give the button to Ganush's family?family?
** She was on a pretty strict time limit, and how would she introduce herself anyway? "Hello, I'm the woman who foreclosed on your elderly relative's house. Here, have this button"?
** She was on a pretty strict time limit, and how would she introduce herself anyway? "Hello, I'm the woman who foreclosed on your elderly relative's house. Here, have this button"?
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** Maybe Ganush's family will all be going to Hell too -- they just aren't under a gypsy curse to take them right away and will have to wait until they die.
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**Rham Jas references God in his first scene when he's arguing with Clay. Jas quotes Carl Jung, Clay makes a quip about Jung being a "new ager's favorite psychologist," and Jas responds "Because he wasn't afraid to bring God into the equation." To this troper, that's felt like Raimi leaning on the fourth wall about the lack of God in the movie. Perhaps he's saying that if God had been brought into the equation of Christine's story, things would have turned out differently, or perhaps he's taking Jas's perspective and cynically responding to it. Either way, the involvement of God is directly referenced in dialogue.
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* So wait, if the person holding the button is the one that gets dragged down to hell, [[spoiler: then why wasn't it ''Clay'' that got dragged down instead of Christine?]]
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* So wait, if the person holding the button is the one that gets dragged down to hell, [[spoiler: then why wasn't it ''Clay'' that got dragged down instead of Christine?]]Christine?
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* Why is the concept of God absent from this movie? No matter what your religion is, the plot revolves around a curse where a demon ''drags you to hell''. Yet not only does Christine not consider going to an exorcist, but also [[spoiler: the name of God isn't even invoked during the failed exorcism sequence]]. I don't even think the word "god" is used at all in the movie. So why was it absent, when in other situations of demons people might call a priest or something?
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* Why is the concept of God absent from this movie? No matter what your religion is, the plot revolves around a curse where a demon ''drags you to hell''. Yet not only does Christine not consider going to an exorcist, but also [[spoiler: the name of God isn't even invoked during the failed exorcism sequence]].sequence. I don't even think the word "god" is used at all in the movie. So why was it absent, when in other situations of demons people might call a priest or something?
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** That woman's grandmother had just died and a total stranger had knocked her corpse out of its casket. She was not going to be in a forgiving mood.
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*** So how do you explain the medium who witnessed the kid going to Hell recalling the incident 40 years later?
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** Remember that some freaky goat-demon is right outside her home scaring the living daylights out of her. Going outside is going to seem like a bad idea in that instance.
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** It was all in his head too.too.
* If the goal is to quickly kill the goat after the demon enters its body, why not properly restrain it so it can't dodge the machete like it does? Or if not that, why even use a machete since it requires you to be right next to a ''demon'' and may not immediately kill the animal even if you don't miss, as opposed to something safer and more instant like a gun, or even a bow & arrow?
* Christine just immediately opts for stabbing her own kitten to death as the sacrifice? Why not just go buy a goldfish from the pet store, or trap a mouse or something similar, or even just squash a bug? It's not like it has to be an animal she cares about, right?
* If Christine wants to get rid of the curse, ''and'' maybe get some revenge, why not just give the button to Ganush's family?
* If the goal is to quickly kill the goat after the demon enters its body, why not properly restrain it so it can't dodge the machete like it does? Or if not that, why even use a machete since it requires you to be right next to a ''demon'' and may not immediately kill the animal even if you don't miss, as opposed to something safer and more instant like a gun, or even a bow & arrow?
* Christine just immediately opts for stabbing her own kitten to death as the sacrifice? Why not just go buy a goldfish from the pet store, or trap a mouse or something similar, or even just squash a bug? It's not like it has to be an animal she cares about, right?
* If Christine wants to get rid of the curse, ''and'' maybe get some revenge, why not just give the button to Ganush's family?
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* How did Christine give the wrong envelope? What other envelopes did she have?
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*How did Christine give the wrong envelope? What other envelopes did she have?
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* There is something I don't get about the whole "it's alll in her head" theory: What about the opening scene, with the kid that too got dragged to hell?
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* There is something I don't get about the whole "it's alll in her head" theory: What about the opening scene, with the kid that too got dragged to hell?hell?
**It was all in his head too.
**It was all in his head too.
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**** Isn't that the point though? How could a morally superior person possibly do this in the first place? They are literally sentencing someone to an eternity in burning in hell with zero context of the person's life. That's pretty textbook evil stuff.
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*** We’re not supposed to think anything, the movie is willingly morally ambiguous, nor Ganush is presented as outright or [[ForTheEvulz purely evil]] nor Christine is presented as the goody goody. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Some movies just do that.]] On the other hand is nowhere established that Ganush was the one that cursed the kid at the beginning. I personally just took that the movie was showing a previous incident of the curse being use, in fact considering that the kid and family were clearly Hispanics speaking in Spanish I even assume it was somewhere in LatinLand probably unrelated to Ganush (and yes, there are gypsies in Latin America in case you wonder).
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*** We’re not supposed to think anything, the movie is willingly morally ambiguous, nor Ganush is presented as outright or [[ForTheEvulz purely evil]] nor Christine is presented as the goody goody. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Some movies just do that.]] On the other hand is nowhere established that Ganush was the one that cursed the kid at the beginning. I personally just took that the movie was showing a previous incident of the curse being use, in fact considering that the kid and family were clearly Hispanics speaking in Spanish I even assume it was somewhere in LatinLand probably unrelated to Ganush (and yes, there are gypsies in Latin America in case you wonder).wonder).
* There is something I don't get about the whole "it's alll in her head" theory: What about the opening scene, with the kid that too got dragged to hell?
* There is something I don't get about the whole "it's alll in her head" theory: What about the opening scene, with the kid that too got dragged to hell?
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** Some religions have hells but do not have God, Buddhism for example.
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*** What Raimi said is that Christine is a good person who consciously chose to commit a sin, and had to deal with the consequences of said choice. He also said the punishment was too hard, but nonetheless deserved. That Mrs. Ganush is such a horrid human being is irrelevant, a villain can be the victim too. Doing a comparision, in the first Spider-man movie Aunt May is in pretty much the same situation, and we all thought that the banker was an asshole and that she was the poor victim. Again, Ganush *is* a horrible person, but Christine didn't know that, and she still chose to evict a senior citizen begging for help simply because it would help her to get a promotion.
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*** What Raimi said is that Christine is a good person who consciously chose to commit a sin, and had to deal with the consequences of said choice. He also said the punishment was too hard, but nonetheless deserved. That Mrs. Ganush is such a horrid human being is irrelevant, a villain can be the victim too. Doing a comparision, in the first Spider-man movie Aunt May is in pretty much the same situation, and we all thought that the banker was an asshole and that she was the poor victim. Again, Ganush *is* a horrible person, but Christine didn't know that, and she still chose to evict a senior citizen begging for help simply because it would help her to get a promotion.promotion.
*** We’re not supposed to think anything, the movie is willingly morally ambiguous, nor Ganush is presented as outright or [[ForTheEvulz purely evil]] nor Christine is presented as the goody goody. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Some movies just do that.]] On the other hand is nowhere established that Ganush was the one that cursed the kid at the beginning. I personally just took that the movie was showing a previous incident of the curse being use, in fact considering that the kid and family were clearly Hispanics speaking in Spanish I even assume it was somewhere in LatinLand probably unrelated to Ganush (and yes, there are gypsies in Latin America in case you wonder).
*** We’re not supposed to think anything, the movie is willingly morally ambiguous, nor Ganush is presented as outright or [[ForTheEvulz purely evil]] nor Christine is presented as the goody goody. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Some movies just do that.]] On the other hand is nowhere established that Ganush was the one that cursed the kid at the beginning. I personally just took that the movie was showing a previous incident of the curse being use, in fact considering that the kid and family were clearly Hispanics speaking in Spanish I even assume it was somewhere in LatinLand probably unrelated to Ganush (and yes, there are gypsies in Latin America in case you wonder).
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** On the other hand, the scene goes on VERY quick, Christine spurts the blood and immediately runs away. The tepid reaction of her coworkers could be simply out of shock and surprise.
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** In the opening scene the medium was asking for the help and blessing of the "santo padre" (holy father). And later when she quite effectively (but unfortunately, only temporarily) manages to banish the Lamia, in her chanting it cab be heard "venceremos con la sangre del cordero" (we will defeat it with the blood of the lamb), something that has obvious religious meaning.
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*** What Raimi said is that Christine is a good person who consciously chose to commit a sin, and had to deal with the consequences of said choice. He also said the punishment was too hard, but nonetheless deserved. That Mrs. Ganush is such a horrid human being is irrelevant, a villain can be the victim too. Doing a comparision, in the first Spider-man movie Aunt May is in pretty much the same situation, and we all thought that the banker was an asshole and that she was the poor victim.
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*** What Raimi said is that Christine is a good person who consciously chose to commit a sin, and had to deal with the consequences of said choice. He also said the punishment was too hard, but nonetheless deserved. That Mrs. Ganush is such a horrid human being is irrelevant, a villain can be the victim too. Doing a comparision, in the first Spider-man movie Aunt May is in pretty much the same situation, and we all thought that the banker was an asshole and that she was the poor victim. Again, Ganush *is* a horrible person, but Christine didn't know that, and she still chose to evict a senior citizen begging for help simply because it would help her to get a promotion.
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*** Except Raimi has stated the exact opposite and that he does think Christine deserved Hell for not giving infinite extensions on the loan.
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*** Except Raimi has stated the exact opposite and that he does think Christine deserved Hell for not giving infinite extensions on the loan.loan.
*** What Raimi said is that Christine is a good person who consciously chose to commit a sin, and had to deal with the consequences of said choice. He also said the punishment was too hard, but nonetheless deserved. That Mrs. Ganush is such a horrid human being is irrelevant, a villain can be the victim too. Doing a comparision, in the first Spider-man movie Aunt May is in pretty much the same situation, and we all thought that the banker was an asshole and that she was the poor victim.
*** What Raimi said is that Christine is a good person who consciously chose to commit a sin, and had to deal with the consequences of said choice. He also said the punishment was too hard, but nonetheless deserved. That Mrs. Ganush is such a horrid human being is irrelevant, a villain can be the victim too. Doing a comparision, in the first Spider-man movie Aunt May is in pretty much the same situation, and we all thought that the banker was an asshole and that she was the poor victim.
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** I think you missed the part that Sylvia is actually the villain of the story, Raimi isn’t trying to make us think she is in any way right, all the opposite.
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** I think you missed the part that Sylvia is actually the villain of the story, Raimi isn’t trying to make us think she is in any way right, all the opposite.opposite.
*** Except Raimi has stated the exact opposite and that he does think Christine deserved Hell for not giving infinite extensions on the loan.
*** Except Raimi has stated the exact opposite and that he does think Christine deserved Hell for not giving infinite extensions on the loan.
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This line was in response to the Original Poster and not the response above it. Both are in agreement that Sylvia/The Gypsies are the villians.
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*** I think you missed the part that Sylvia is actually the villain of the story, Raimi isn’t trying to make us think she is in any way right, all the opposite.
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** In fiction Gypsies are right twats. It's not just in Drag Me to Hell, in Stephen King's Thinner they do roughly the same thing. Buffy the Vampire Slayer's gypsies flat out admit they serve vengeance NOT justice. So ultimately I'd chalk it up [[UnfortunateImplications Gypsies are jerks.]]
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** In fiction Gypsies are right twats. It's not just in Drag Me to Hell, in Stephen King's Thinner they do roughly the same thing. Buffy the Vampire Slayer's gypsies flat out admit they serve vengeance NOT justice. So ultimately I'd chalk it up [[UnfortunateImplications Gypsies are jerks.]]
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** In fiction Gypsies are right twats. It's not just in Drag Me to Hell, in Stephen King's Thinner they do roughly the same thing. Buffy the Vampire Slayer's gypsies flat out admit they serve vengeance NOT justice. So ultimately I'd chalk it up [[UnfortunateImplications Gypsies are jerks.]]
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** In fiction Gypsies are right twats. It's not just in Drag Me to Hell, in Stephen King's Thinner they do roughly the same thing. Buffy the Vampire Slayer's gypsies flat out admit they serve vengeance NOT justice. So ultimately I'd chalk it up [[UnfortunateImplications Gypsies are jerks.]]]]
***I think you missed the part that Sylvia is actually the villain of the story, Raimi isn’t trying to make us think she is in any way right, all the opposite.
***I think you missed the part that Sylvia is actually the villain of the story, Raimi isn’t trying to make us think she is in any way right, all the opposite.
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** In fiction Gypsies are right twats. It's not just in Drag Me to Hell, in Stephen King's Thinner they do roughly the same thing. Buffy the Vampire Slayer's gypsies flat out admit they serve vengeance NOT justice. So ultimately I'd chalk it up Gypsies are jerks.
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** In fiction Gypsies are right twats. It's not just in Drag Me to Hell, in Stephen King's Thinner they do roughly the same thing. Buffy the Vampire Slayer's gypsies flat out admit they serve vengeance NOT justice. So ultimately I'd chalk it up [[UnfortunateImplications Gypsies are jerks.]]
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*** That changes the context of the entire situation, because that means Ganush is punishing Christine for not indulging her in a sinful level of ''pride''. Ganush really can't afford to pay her loan even after an extension; Christine may have been motivated by greed in that she wanted to look good at her job, but that doesn't mean that giving Ganush the extension was the correct thing to do, either. If she really can't pay her bills and is using the loan extension as a way to maintain a facade of independence, while she has the option to live within her means but refuses because it would mean humbling herself before her family, then Ganush isn't in a morally-superior position to be cursing Christine in the first place.
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*** There are also several references to Christine having been a chubby child, including a photo of her as the Pork Queen at her local fair. Mrs Ganush's granddaughter even taunts Christine about it, saying; "You used to be a real fat girl, didn't you? I can tell." There's a hint that Christine either has/had an eating disorder, or has worked very hard indeed to become slim.
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** She did ask him this directly, and he responds by saying that he didn't want to be complicit in sending a soul to hell. He only told Christine she could give away the button when this became a last resort.
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*** There's also Mrs. Ganush's dirty yellow nails, her false dentures and Christine getting her hair pulled out. Eating disorders can cause hair, teeth and nails to decay.
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** Maybe Ganush's family will all be going to Hell too - they just aren't under a gypsy curse to take them right away and will have to wait until they die.
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** Maybe Ganush's family will all be going to Hell too - -- they just aren't under a gypsy curse to take them right away and will have to wait until they die.die.
** I'd say it's for the same reason she didn't want to go live with her granddaughter: She doesn't want to be dependent on anybody.
** I'd say it's for the same reason she didn't want to go live with her granddaughter: She doesn't want to be dependent on anybody.
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** The kind this whole movie centers on - -- DisproportionateRetribution.
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* We are supposed to believe that Sylvia is the same person that at the start, '''doomed a little boy to Hell FOR A NECKLACE'' and then think that she is right in cursing Christine? Sam Raimi, have you lost your goddamn mind?
