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*** No, there would be no timelines where Booker doesn't get drowned. Elizabeth is explicitly using her RealityWarper powers to utterly destroy the Booker/Comstock timelines. Imagine a timeline that runs from A to B, then forks to C and D (two possibilities). Elizabeth destroys Point B, which eliminates the C/D junction (zero possibilities) and every single junction thereafter. This leaves only one path: to Point E, the "Booker drowns" path.
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** As for "it wouldn't change anything"... well it just ''does''. This isn't a case of a new decision creating a new timeline, this is a case of ''destroying'' two sets of timelines completely by excising the decision that originally created them. Once that is done, Booker [[TimeTravelTenseTrouble will have never lived]] through the decision because the decision never existed to begin with.
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** As for "it wouldn't change anything"... well it just ''does''. This isn't a case of a new decision creating a new timeline, this is a case of ''destroying'' two sets of timelines completely by excising the decision that originally created them. Once that is done, Booker [[TimeTravelTenseTrouble will have never lived]] through the decision because the decision never existed to begin with.with, hence why every version of Elizabeth disappears.
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** The point is that Comstock ''did'' fight at Wounded Knee... the thing is, at that time his name was "Booker [=deWitt=]".
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* Two-fold one here: How does drowning the player-controlled Booker erase the Comstock and Booker realities? He's already lived past that decision, so his death can't change it. Yet the game says it did, which brings up question two: how do the tears work? Throughout the game when the characters move between universes it just means there are two versions of them in one reality. Yet at the end when our Booker is drowned it erases the Comstock and Booker timelines, but you'd have to drown a Booker who hadn't made that choice yet - a younger version. So does that mean moving through tears allows you to possess the existing version now? If so, why didn't Comstock override Booker when he came to take Anna then?
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* Two-fold one here: How does drowning the player-controlled Booker erase the Comstock and Booker realities? He's already lived past that decision, so his death can't change it. Yet the game says it did, which brings up question two: how do the tears work? Throughout the game when the characters move between universes it just means there are two versions of them in one reality. Yet at the end when our Booker is drowned it erases the Comstock and Booker timelines, but you'd have to drown a Booker who hadn't made that choice yet - a younger version. So does that mean moving through tears allows you to possess the existing version now? If so, why didn't Comstock override Booker when he came to take Anna then?then?
** AWizardDidIt. Or in this case, "An Omniscient RealityWarper Did It". In the context of the game that sequence makes no sense (as you correctly pointed out), but in the context of the narrative, Elizabeth (through her superpowers) is drowning the past Booker, which in turn drowns the present (playable) Booker.
** As for "it wouldn't change anything"... well it just ''does''. This isn't a case of a new decision creating a new timeline, this is a case of ''destroying'' two sets of timelines completely by excising the decision that originally created them. Once that is done, Booker [[TimeTravelTenseTrouble will have never lived]] through the decision because the decision never existed to begin with.
* Did anyone else notice that Booker and Elizabeth never actually complete the quest to get Daisy Fitzroy her guns? They move into a parallel universe where this task was already accomplished for them, abandoning the original Daisy. Admittedly this can be excused by their lack of knowledge on how the tears worked at the time, and does come to bite them hard (since in the new universe, Booker never made a deal for the airship).
** AWizardDidIt. Or in this case, "An Omniscient RealityWarper Did It". In the context of the game that sequence makes no sense (as you correctly pointed out), but in the context of the narrative, Elizabeth (through her superpowers) is drowning the past Booker, which in turn drowns the present (playable) Booker.
** As for "it wouldn't change anything"... well it just ''does''. This isn't a case of a new decision creating a new timeline, this is a case of ''destroying'' two sets of timelines completely by excising the decision that originally created them. Once that is done, Booker [[TimeTravelTenseTrouble will have never lived]] through the decision because the decision never existed to begin with.
* Did anyone else notice that Booker and Elizabeth never actually complete the quest to get Daisy Fitzroy her guns? They move into a parallel universe where this task was already accomplished for them, abandoning the original Daisy. Admittedly this can be excused by their lack of knowledge on how the tears worked at the time, and does come to bite them hard (since in the new universe, Booker never made a deal for the airship).
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** It's explicitly stated that his use of the tears to prophesize led him to learn his plans can only be continued to fruition by his own flesh and blood, but by then his use of them had shortened his life and rendered him sterile. His only choice to find a true flesh and blood heir is to steal one from a Dewitt that never became Comstock.
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** It's explicitly stated that his use of the tears to prophesize led him to learn his plans can only be continued to fruition by his own flesh and blood, but by then his use of them had shortened his life and rendered him sterile. His only choice to find a true flesh and blood heir is to steal one from a Booker Dewitt that never became Comstock.
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** It's explicitly stated that his use of the tears to prophesize led him to learn his plans can only be continued to fruition by his own flesh and blood, but by then his use of them had shortened his life and rendered him sterile. His only choice to find a true flesh and blood heir is to steal one from a DeWitt that never became Comstock.
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** It's explicitly stated that his use of the tears to prophesize led him to learn his plans can only be continued to fruition by his own flesh and blood, but by then his use of them had shortened his life and rendered him sterile. His only choice to find a true flesh and blood heir is to steal one from a DeWitt Dewitt that never became Comstock.
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** It's explicitly stated that his use of the tears to prophesize led him to learn his plans can only be continued to fruition by his own flesh and blood, but by then his use of them had shortened his life and rendered him sterile. His only choice to find a true flesh and blood heir is to steal one from a DeWitt that never became Comstock.
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* If Slate knew Comstock never fought at the "battle" of Wounded Knee, how could he know Booker, seeing as how they are the same person at that point in time?
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* If Slate knew Comstock never fought at the "battle" of Wounded Knee, how could he know Booker, seeing as how they are the same person at that point in time?time?
* Two-fold one here: How does drowning the player-controlled Booker erase the Comstock and Booker realities? He's already lived past that decision, so his death can't change it. Yet the game says it did, which brings up question two: how do the tears work? Throughout the game when the characters move between universes it just means there are two versions of them in one reality. Yet at the end when our Booker is drowned it erases the Comstock and Booker timelines, but you'd have to drown a Booker who hadn't made that choice yet - a younger version. So does that mean moving through tears allows you to possess the existing version now? If so, why didn't Comstock override Booker when he came to take Anna then?
* Two-fold one here: How does drowning the player-controlled Booker erase the Comstock and Booker realities? He's already lived past that decision, so his death can't change it. Yet the game says it did, which brings up question two: how do the tears work? Throughout the game when the characters move between universes it just means there are two versions of them in one reality. Yet at the end when our Booker is drowned it erases the Comstock and Booker timelines, but you'd have to drown a Booker who hadn't made that choice yet - a younger version. So does that mean moving through tears allows you to possess the existing version now? If so, why didn't Comstock override Booker when he came to take Anna then?
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*** But wouldn't there still be timelines where Booker didn't get drowned? IT doesn't close any timelines, only add to the myriad of other timelines. Now instead of "Booker becomes Comstock or Booker runs away" there's now "Booker becomes Comstock, Booker runs away, and Booker Dies." But all three of those possibilities still exist.
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** It's to prove a point in the ending - that there are many ways the story goes, and many choices you can make, but you might always end at the same place. The game has plenty of moments where it offers false choices both to Booker and to the player.
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* if Slate knew Comstock never fought at the "battle" of Wounded Knee, how could he know Booker, seeing as how they are the same person at that point in time?
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** Either the events of Bioshock hadn't yet happened, it's another universal version of Rapture to the one in the Biosock games, or the fact she's a nearly omniscient reality walker.
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* if Slate knew Comstock never fought at the "battle" of Wounded Knee, how could he know Booker, seeing as how they are the same person at that point in time?
* if Slate knew Comstock never fought at the "battle" of Wounded Knee, how could he know Booker, seeing as how they are the same person at that point in time?
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* How was Elizabeth able to use the Bathysphere? Didn't Andrew Ryan lock it to only himself and those related to him?
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** Either the events of Bioshock hadn't yet happened, it's another universal version of Rapture to the one in the Biosock games, or the fact she's a nearly omniscient reality walker.
** Either the events of Bioshock hadn't yet happened, it's another universal version of Rapture to the one in the Biosock games, or the fact she's a nearly omniscient reality walker.
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* So, what did Booker do to get kicked out of the Pinkertons?
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* How was Elizabeth able to use the Bathysphere? Didn't Andrew Ryan lock it to only people related to him and himself?
* How was Elizabeth able to use the Bathysphere? Didn't Andrew Ryan lock it to only people related to him and himself?
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*So, what did Booker do to get kicked out of the Pinkertons?
*So, what did Booker do to get kicked out of the Pinkertons?
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** Booker didn't. Elizabeth/Anna did, by going back to the baptism and making sure he drowned. He didn't get baptized, and he didn't run away from being baptized. No Comstock the Prophet, no Booker the False Shepherd. The events of the game therefore [[RetGone never happened]]... but TheStinger indicates that some version of Booker remains who didn't sell Anna.
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** It could also be a side effect of exposure to the machines that cause the tears as later voxophones tell that they really did a number on his health.
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* Is there any significance to the necklace that you get to choose for Elizabeth? Or is it just a RedHerring.
* Is there any significance to the necklace that you get to choose for Elizabeth? Or is it just a RedHerring.
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**Some voxophones talk about how they would use the tears to observe other people to steal ides from (explicitly mentioned about a biologist and implied for how they get a lot of the nachronistic music) It's likely Comstock used the tears as a means for his "prophecies" and saw that Anna would lead to his vision but in his world he never had her. Thus they needed to kidnap her from Booker who did.
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** Comstock ''is'' about 40. A timeline in the Hall of Heroes shows that he was born in 1874, making him about 38 in 1912. The beard makes him look a lot older than he actually is.
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** Comstock ''is'' about 40. A timeline in the Hall of Heroes shows that he was born in 1874, making him about 38 in 1912. The beard makes him look a lot older than he actually is.is.
**It could also be a side effect of exposure to the machines that cause the tears as later voxophones tell that they really did a number on his health.
**It could also be a side effect of exposure to the machines that cause the tears as later voxophones tell that they really did a number on his health.
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* So how come Booker looks to be about 40 and Comstock looks to be about 60? The fact that the two are very obviously not even closely the same age makes the Plot Twist come clean out of left field.
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** Comstock ''is'' about 40. A timeline in the Hall of Heroes shows that he was born in 1874, making him about 38 in 1912. The beard makes him look a lot older than he actually is.
** Comstock ''is'' about 40. A timeline in the Hall of Heroes shows that he was born in 1874, making him about 38 in 1912. The beard makes him look a lot older than he actually is.
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** They were still figuring out how the whole dimension-hopping thing worked at the time.
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* So how come Booker looks to be about 40 and Comstock looks to be about 60? The fact that the two are very obviously not even closely the same age makes the Plot Twist come clean out of left field.
* So how come Booker looks to be about 40 and Comstock looks to be about 60? The fact that the two are very obviously not even closely the same age makes the Plot Twist come clean out of left field.
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* What makes Booker and Elizabeth think that the Universe-3 Daisy Fitzroy made a deal with Universe-3 Booker for the guns and the airship?
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** They were still figuring out how the whole dimension-hopping thing worked at the time.
** They were still figuring out how the whole dimension-hopping thing worked at the time.
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* So why exactly in a plot based around infinite alternate realities, Booker can eliminate Comstock in all of them at once? The baptism is a branching point as is. There will still be alternate realities where he accepted it, rejected it, or drowned.
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** She may have all the knowledge of her different selves from alternate realities at some level.
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But why did Comstock abduct Anna from our Booker's universe? If Anna was never born in his timeline, he would never have had any knowledge of her. If she ''was'', then he would never have needed to abduct her. If Comstock knew what he was doing the whole time, then where did he learn it?
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But why did Comstock abduct Anna from our Booker's universe? If Anna was never born in his timeline, he would never have had any knowledge of her. If she ''was'', then he would never have needed to abduct her. If Comstock knew what he was doing the whole time, then where did he learn it?it?
* Elizabeth has oddly well developed social skills for a girl who has been locked up in a tower for her entire life with her only companion being a robot bird thingie.
* What makes Booker and Elizabeth think that the Universe-3 Daisy Fitzroy made a deal with them for the guns and the airship?
* Elizabeth has oddly well developed social skills for a girl who has been locked up in a tower for her entire life with her only companion being a robot bird thingie.
* What makes Booker and Elizabeth think that the Universe-3 Daisy Fitzroy made a deal with them for the guns and the airship?
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* Anna was born in 1892. Wounded Knee happened in 1890, and we know Booker nearly got baptized right after. We know that in an alternate universe, Booker did get baptized, and took the name Zachary Comstock, and went on to become the "Prophet" of Columbia.\\
But why did Comstock abduct Anna from our Booker's universe? If Anna was never born in his timeline, he would never have had any knowledge of her. If she ''was'', then he would never have needed to abduct her. If Comstock knew what he was doing the whole time, then where did he learn it?
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* Anna was born in 1892. Wounded Knee happened in 1890, and we know Booker nearly got baptized right after. We know that in an alternate universe, Booker did get baptized, and took the name Zachary Comstock, and went on to become the "Prophet" of Columbia.\\
But why did Comstock abduct Anna from our Booker's universe? If Anna was never born in his timeline, he would never have had any knowledge of her. If she ''was'', then he would never have needed to abduct her. If Comstock knew what he was doing the whole time, then where did he learn it?
