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**To answer your first two questions, it's been lost to time and believing his own hype but Miller intended TDKR to be taken both seriously but have a lot of satire as well. So why is Bruce fighting a big breasted Neo Nazi in an old woman costume? Because it's funny.
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** A better question is why they'd launch a warhead specifically designed to cause a nuclear winter in the first place. Since nuclear winter would necessarily be a global phenomenon they'd be doing just as much damage to themselves. Creating what's basically a doomsday device to serve as a deterrent might make at least a little sense. Launching it in a fit of pique over a defeat in a proxy war that was embarrassing but hardly an existential threat doesn't make any sense at all.
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** Bruno worked for ComicBook/TheJoker. You can't expect someone with that past to ''not'' be insane (assuming he/she wasn't already crazy to beging with).
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** Bruno worked for ComicBook/TheJoker. You can't expect someone with that past to ''not'' be insane (assuming he/she wasn't already crazy to beging begin with).
*** Considering the life expectancy of Joker's goons, you'd have to be pretty crazy just to take the job in the first place. Being beaten up by Batman and left for the cops is generally the ''least'' bad thing that can happen to them.
** For that matter, how did Bruce, a tall and muscular man, manage to pass himself off as a relatively small elderly woman? I know he's supposed to be a master of disguise but this is really pushing it.
*** Considering the life expectancy of Joker's goons, you'd have to be pretty crazy just to take the job in the first place. Being beaten up by Batman and left for the cops is generally the ''least'' bad thing that can happen to them.
** For that matter, how did Bruce, a tall and muscular man, manage to pass himself off as a relatively small elderly woman? I know he's supposed to be a master of disguise but this is really pushing it.
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*** Proper shooting technique is to keep both eyes open but concentrate on your dominant eye.
** Binocular vision is only one of several factors in depth perception. Losing one eye doesn't affect it nearly as much as you might think.
** Binocular vision is only one of several factors in depth perception. Losing one eye doesn't affect it nearly as much as you might think.
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*** Yeah, I always assumed the tape or whatever the swastikas were made of was covering her nipples.
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** Well, he had been largely out of the public eye for ten years. Although the fact that anyone was willing to let Joker appear on a talk show in person, with minimal security to boot, suggests that many Gothamites are literally TooDumbToLive.
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** After the mayor's death, he wasn't immediately threatening anyone else. It would be very hard to legally justify shooting him under the circumstances.
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** According to this author, yes. Consider the media prioritizing popular culture and viewer opinions over the astronaut reporting on an incoming nuclear strike. This story repeatedly portrays humanity as willingly laying their own heads on the chopping block for monsters, with only outliers like The Batman willing to make an actual difference.
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*** It's a little confusing. Although he's identified as Abner in the voice credits for Part 2, storyboards identify him as "Humpty," and director Jay Oliva also refers to him as Humpty in the DVD/BluRay special features.
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*** It's a little confusing. Although he's identified as Abner in the voice credits for Part 2, storyboards identify him as "Humpty," and director Jay Oliva also refers to him as Humpty in the DVD/BluRay [=DVD/BluRay=] special features.
*** Maybe Abner was Humpty Dumpty's real name all along. Presumably his parents didn't name him Humpty.
*** Maybe Abner was Humpty Dumpty's real name all along. Presumably his parents didn't name him Humpty.
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** Wolper is a grifter who latched onto the Joker to make money. Book sales, talk show appearances, etc. He'll say anything that'll bolster his profile, and his whole pitch is that he's the miracle doctor who cured the Joker. So he's got to find someone else to blame for Joker's villainous deeds. He's so caught up in the acclaim and fortune he's getting that it never occurs to him that it might be a bad idea to pal around with a murderous psychopath.
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* Why in the world would someone stop Gordon from shooting the Mutant Leader after the latter killed the Mayor?
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* Really, [[WhatAnIdiot who the heck in Gotham City thinks that going to a live interview featuring the Joker is a good idea to begin with?]] All Gothamites know perfectly well that the Joker is a deranged lunatic who has murdered millions of people throughout his career and go on to David Endochrine's late night show to see him because Dr. Bartholomew Wolper said that "he had reformed"? Are that many Gothamites that stupid or what?
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* Really, [[WhatAnIdiot who the heck in Gotham City thinks that going to a live interview featuring the Joker is a good idea to begin with?]] with? All Gothamites know perfectly well that the Joker is a deranged lunatic who has murdered millions of people throughout his career and go on to David Endochrine's late night show to see him because Dr. Bartholomew Wolper said that "he had reformed"? Are that many Gothamites that stupid or what?
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** I think they are just overwhelmed by what was happening and reacted accordingly. Also the couple may not have known who or what Batman was,
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** I think they are just overwhelmed by what was happening and reacted accordingly. Also the couple may not have known who or what Batman was,
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** I'd go with the idea that they were just terrified by what happened. Keep in mind that some modern adaptations of Batman note that he relies on the "urban legend" angle to reinforce his mystique and leave people unsure what he actually is, so some people think of him as a potentially supernatural entity rather than just a guy in a batsuit. The average person is not going to react well to the idea that the bat-like figure who goes around beating people up just broke someone's neck in front of them, even if they know that Batman isn't a killer most of the time.
** I'd go with the idea that they were just terrified by what happened. Keep in mind that some modern adaptations of Batman note that he relies on the "urban legend" angle to reinforce his mystique and leave people unsure what he actually is, so some people think of him as a potentially supernatural entity rather than just a guy in a batsuit. The average person is not going to react well to the idea that the bat-like figure who goes around beating people up just broke someone's neck in front of them, even if they know that Batman isn't a killer most of the time.
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*** This. Almost every instance of physical combat between the Batman and Joker usually ends pretty quickly in the former's favor. The fact that Joker got some stab wounds and gunshot wounds to Batman is a testament to his older age and decline.
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** At that instant, Batman might've been angry enough to actually *try* and kill the Joker intentionally but could only manage to paralyze him due to his injuries.
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** I think they are just overwhelmed by what was happening and reacted accordingly. Also the couple may not have known who or what Batman was,
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** They're swastika-shaped pasties, maybe?
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** The same way the World Security Council or whomever it was blamed the Avengers for New York, Sokovia, D.C., the Wakanda embassy... The existence of superheroes causes supervillains to challenge them. Vision even notes the increase in super-threats since the formation of the Avengers. As Gordon says in ''Batman Begins'', it's escalation. "We start carrying semi-automatics, they buy automatics. We start wearing Kevlar, they buy armor piercing rounds... And, you're wearing a mask. Jumping off rooftops."
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** It happens by accident in car crashes, people do survive broken necks. If you have the Batman's knowledge of human anatomy it appears you can do it on purpose.
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** It seems as though the gas was too fast-acting and spread through the studio too quick for anyone to do anything but die. We can also put it down to freezing in panic.
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* Why din't the soviets enjoy that their first nuke caused a nuclear winter to try and attack again? More so if they knew it had neutralized Superman.
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* Where are Bruno's nipples? You can see a pair of swastikas on her breasts, but there are no nipples...
* Really, [[WhatAnIdiot who the heck in Gotham City thinks that going to a live interview featuring the Joker is a good idea to begin with?]] All Gothamites know perfectly well that the Joker is a deranged lunatic who has murdered millions of people throughout his career and go on to David Endochrine's late night show to see him because Dr. Bartholomew Wolper said that "he had reformed"? Are that many Gothamites that stupid or what?
* Is Dr. Bartholomew Wolper an idiot? Why does he say that Batman created the members of his rogues gallery if, as far anyone can recall, unless you count ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' as canon, Batman never caused any of his villains' misfortunes. The Riddler turned to crime just because he was bored, Killer Croc had a bad childhood, the Scarecrow grew obsessed with fear because of enduring bullying and mistreatment, etc. Even Harvey Dent turned evil because Sal Maroni threw acid on his face, and Batman wasn’t responsible there!
* How exactly does Batman to break the Joker's neck in a way that it paralyzes him but doesn't kill him?
* When the Joker gasses the studio, why doesn't David Endochrine or the guests try to escape through the entrance zone used by the Joker and Dr. Wolper to enter into the stage if the main doors were locked? The Joker was able to lock the main doors, but he couldn't have locked the door to the room where he and Dr. Wolper waited until the show started because then Dr. Wolper would have found it suspicious...
* In the animated film, why do a couple scream in horror when Batman finally snaps the Joker's neck? Okay, they likely thought Batman had killed the Joker, but rather than acting like "Oh no! Batman killed the Joker! He's a criminal! Let's go call the cops!", shoudn't they have been like "Yeah, Batman! Kill that psycho once and for all!"?
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** The implication seems to be that the kids who form the Mutants and later the Sons of Batman aren't so much ''evil'' as they are extremely lost, undirected, and malleable. As a result, they gravitate to any strong personality that presents itself- and in Miller's eyes, Gotham/American society is too soft or weak to provide that. So they're drawn to figures like the Mutant Leader, both because of his physical strength and because they see his violent rejection of social law and order as moral strength. Basically, the Mutant Leader is an ''ubermensch''- he creates new values for them in a world that's fallen into a moral vacuum. Batman defeats the Mutant Leader and the kids' attention shifts to him, and he's confident that he can provide a strong enough pull- with a little work- to keep the kids under control and useful.
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** "I realized it was too big for me to judge. He was too big." A big part of The Dark Knight Returns' ethos is that the big picture requires short term ethical compromises, and it is the role of great men and leaders to make those judgement calls. The mutants are criminals, but as Bruce points out to Clark, so are masked vigilantes. Gotham doesn't need prisons full of teens and young adults, it needs an inspiring and immutable symbol to push people into action.
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** If Batman just wanted to take out the mutant leader he could have done it with his tank, or any number of other gadgets. He needed it to mean something.
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** There is a strong "What makes people go bad is a lack of strong parenting/moral figures in their life" message in a lot of Miller's stuff. Compare and contrast to how clinical psychology is portrayed in this series. Obviously your mileage will seriously vary on how much you buy it.
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** In the case of the Mutant leader, he's not just trying to defeat one thug in that fight, he's trying to put the fear of Batman into the ''other'' Mutants. Seeing their leader squished by PoweredArmor isn't going to impress them ''nearly'' as much as seeing him bested by a man who has the courage to put his own life and body on the line. If he'd resorted to technology to thrash their old boss, the gang would have dismissed him as a "cheater" and picked a new leader from among their own ranks.
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** Bruno worked for TheJoker. You can't expect someone with that past to ''not'' be insane (assuming he/she wasn't already crazy to beging with).
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** Yes, they were sentient, or at least [[RiduculouslyHumanRobot riduculously close to it.]] Flying sentient robots and mind-controlling lipstick were standard fare for silver age supervillians, of which Joker is king. Part of the comic's deconstruction is transplanting ideas like this into a darker, more realistic setting.
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** Yes, they were sentient, or at least [[RiduculouslyHumanRobot riduculously [[RidiculouslyHumanRobot ridiculously close to it.]] Flying sentient robots and mind-controlling lipstick were standard fare for silver age supervillians, of which Joker is king. Part of the comic's deconstruction is transplanting ideas like this into a darker, more realistic setting.
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*** It's quite obvious that even if Batman had shot the kid, it was non-fatal. Otherwise, it would contradict the later plot point of him being (wrongfuly) accused of his first murder.
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*** The astronaut writing a letter to his wife actually does make the point that the Coldbringer nuke left the US defenseless and open to a full nuclear strike that would have no retaliation (Batman himself says that the nuke had an EMP effect equal to a few dozens of nukes exploding all over the place), and that the only thing stopping it would be the people making that decision behaving like human beings. That's exactly what happened, the Russians wanted to give a strong warning to the US government (which apparently did work, as that particular plot thread about the imminent nuclear war ends right there), not to annihilate hundreds of millions of people.
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** Yes, they were sentient, or at least [[RiduculouslyHumanRobot riduculously close to it.]] Flying sentient robots and mind-controlling lipstick were standard fare for silver age supervillians, of which Joker is king. Part of the comic's deconstruction is transplanting ideas like this into a darker, more realistic setting.
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** All Star is set in a new timeline, separate from TDKR but taking a lot of elements from it since they were both written by Frank Miller. In TDKR she was implied, or at least insulted by claiming she was, a post-op trans woman (Again, Frank Miller). However by the time he came around to writing TDKR Miller seems to have gotten a taste for large bosom-ed Aryan woman to ask her character to be drawn as straight female. Either that or Miller's art is just horrible when portraying any woman who isn't small and nubile.
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* How old is Bruno?!! She looks like she's in her 20s or 30s in All Star Batman and Robin. Is she in her early 50s in TDKR?
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**But still what? The Gotham PD were using lethal force to try and apprehend Batman prior to him snapping the Jokers neck, and the US government wanted him shut down or killed for disobeying them and making them look bad. The only person who seemed to even slightly care that Batman killed the Joker was Yindel, and that came across as more an excuse for her anti-Batman agenda anyway. Might even be why the Joker went on such an enormous spree after coming back. He could see Batman wasn't going to be around much longer and wanted to get that last laugh in.
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