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* For that matter, the whole fall-and-redemption arc...he's shallow and selfish, all his friends are dead, he won't support the Assassins' cause. In order: 1. He became a privateer, and later a pirate, so he could become rich and build a better life for himself ''and his wife''. And then he was called upon to put up a lot of his personal money to build a base of operations (which he did), free Assassins from slavers (did), obtain medicines for the people of Nassau (did), and help his friends escape from Nassau (did). What else was he supposed to do, start an orphanage? 2. With friends like these...well, let's just go down the list: A ditzy rich boy who helped Edward get to Havana (where he was headed in the first place) and afterword did absolutely nothing of note, one of the most evil pirates in history whose crimes included statutory rape and murdering his own crewmen, a stubborn Assassin who helped Edward with a few minor tasks and otherwise treated him with contempt for nearly the entire story, a surly raging bull with no redeemable qualities who ended up trying to ''kill'' him, a snotty, snippy, good-for-nothing jerk who marooned him (leading to the aforementioned kill attempt), and a smug, self-important fop who sold out to Laureano Torres. No great loss for anybody. His ''real'' friends, Anne Bonny and Adewale, are still very much alive at the end. 3. Why should he have supported the Assassins' cause? Up until when Ah Tabai rescues him from prison, they did '''nothing''' for him. Their whole philosophy baffles him and no one makes any attempt to explain it, and he was effectively banished from Tulum ''after'' rescuing several of them from Laurens Prins. Time and again Edward asked what was in it for him, and he never got an answer.

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* For that matter, the whole fall-and-redemption arc...he's shallow and selfish, all his friends are dead, he won't support the Assassins' cause. In order: 1. He became a privateer, and later a pirate, so he could become rich and build a better life for himself ''and his wife''. And then he was called upon to put up a lot of his personal money to build a base of operations (which he did), free Assassins from slavers (did), obtain medicines for the people of Nassau (did), and help his friends escape from Nassau (did). What else was he supposed to do, start an orphanage? 2. With friends like these...well, let's just go down the list: A ditzy dimwitted rich boy who helped Edward get to Havana (where he was headed in the first place) and afterword did absolutely nothing of note, one of the most evil pirates in history whose crimes included statutory rape and murdering his own crewmen, a stubborn Assassin who helped Edward with a few minor tasks and otherwise treated him with contempt for nearly the entire story, a surly raging bull with no redeemable qualities who ended up trying to ''kill'' him, a snotty, snippy, good-for-nothing jerk who marooned him (leading to the aforementioned kill attempt), and a smug, self-important fop who sold out to Laureano Torres. No great loss for anybody. His ''real'' friends, Anne Bonny and Adewale, are still very much alive at the end. 3. Why should he have supported the Assassins' cause? Up until when Ah Tabai rescues him from prison, they did '''nothing''' for him. Their whole philosophy baffles him and no one makes any attempt to explain it, and he was effectively banished from Tulum ''after'' rescuing several of them from Laurens Prins. Time and again Edward asked what was in it for him, and he never got an answer.
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* For that matter, the whole fall-and-redemption arc...he's shallow and selfish, all his friends are dead, he won't support the Assassins' cause. In order: 1. He specifically became a privateer, and later a pirate, so he could become rich and build a better life for himself ''and his wife''. On top of that, he was called upon to put up a lot of his personal money to build a base of operations (which he did), free Assassins from slavers (did), obtain medicines for the people of Nassau (did), and help his friends escape from Nassau (did). What else was he supposed to do, start an orphanage? 2. With friends like these...well, let's just go down the list: A ditzy rich boy who helped Edward get to Havana (where he was headed in the first place) and afterword did absolutely nothing of note, one of the most evil pirates in history whose crimes included statutory rape and murdering his own crewmen, a stubborn Assassin who helped Edward with a few minor tasks and otherwise treated him with contempt for nearly the entire story, a surly raging bull with no redeemable qualities who ended up trying to ''kill'' him, a snotty, snippy, good-for-nothing jerk who marooned him (leading to the aforementioned kill attempt), and a smug, self-important fop who sold out to Laureano Torres. No great loss for anybody. His ''real'' friends, Anne Bonny and Adewale, are still very much alive at the end. 3. Why should he have supported the Assassins' cause? Up until when Ah Tabai rescues him from prison, they did '''nothing''' for him. Their whole philosophy baffles him and no one makes any attempt to explain it, and he was effectively banished from Tulum ''after'' rescuing several of them from Laurens Prins. Time and again Edward asked what was in it for him, and he never got an answer.

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* For that matter, the whole fall-and-redemption arc...he's shallow and selfish, all his friends are dead, he won't support the Assassins' cause. In order: 1. He specifically became a privateer, and later a pirate, so he could become rich and build a better life for himself ''and his wife''. On top of that, And then he was called upon to put up a lot of his personal money to build a base of operations (which he did), free Assassins from slavers (did), obtain medicines for the people of Nassau (did), and help his friends escape from Nassau (did). What else was he supposed to do, start an orphanage? 2. With friends like these...well, let's just go down the list: A ditzy rich boy who helped Edward get to Havana (where he was headed in the first place) and afterword did absolutely nothing of note, one of the most evil pirates in history whose crimes included statutory rape and murdering his own crewmen, a stubborn Assassin who helped Edward with a few minor tasks and otherwise treated him with contempt for nearly the entire story, a surly raging bull with no redeemable qualities who ended up trying to ''kill'' him, a snotty, snippy, good-for-nothing jerk who marooned him (leading to the aforementioned kill attempt), and a smug, self-important fop who sold out to Laureano Torres. No great loss for anybody. His ''real'' friends, Anne Bonny and Adewale, are still very much alive at the end. 3. Why should he have supported the Assassins' cause? Up until when Ah Tabai rescues him from prison, they did '''nothing''' for him. Their whole philosophy baffles him and no one makes any attempt to explain it, and he was effectively banished from Tulum ''after'' rescuing several of them from Laurens Prins. Time and again Edward asked what was in it for him, and he never got an answer.
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* Edward's spiral of depression after escaping from prison. Okay, the Jackdaw is missing and he has no idea where Bartholomew Roberts is. He's escaped from two deserted islands (in both cases surviving an outright ''murder attempt'' from the other occupant); a bustling city should be a paradise compared to that. The smart thing to do would be to lay low, snoop for information about his ship and/or Roberts, pickpocket or loot once in a while, and otherwise just take it easy and enjoy the fresh air for a few weeks. The ''simple'' thing to do would be to steal another ship and pick up right where he left off (presumably shipping it off to the fleet once he found the Jackdaw) Sure, being betrayed by Roberts is a bummer, but of the "I'm going to kill that bastard" variety, not the "my life has no meaning anymore" variety. And on top of that, ''he just escaped from prison!'' Disappointment, frustration, sure, but what exactly is there for him to be ''depressed'' about?

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* Edward's spiral of depression after escaping from prison. Okay, the Jackdaw is missing and he has no idea where Bartholomew Roberts is. He's escaped from two deserted islands (in both cases surviving an outright ''murder attempt'' from the other occupant); a bustling city should be a paradise compared to that. The smart thing to do would be to lay low, snoop for information about his ship and/or Roberts, pickpocket or loot once in a while, and otherwise just take it easy and enjoy the fresh air for a few weeks. The ''simple'' thing to do would be to steal another ship and pick up right where he left off (presumably shipping it off to the fleet once he found the Jackdaw) Sure, being betrayed by Roberts is a bummer, but of the "I'm going to kill that bastard" variety, not the "my life has no meaning anymore" variety. And on top of that, ''he just escaped from prison!'' Disappointment, frustration, sure, but what exactly is there for him to be ''depressed'' about?about?
* For that matter, the whole fall-and-redemption arc...he's shallow and selfish, all his friends are dead, he won't support the Assassins' cause. In order: 1. He specifically became a privateer, and later a pirate, so he could become rich and build a better life for himself ''and his wife''. On top of that, he was called upon to put up a lot of his personal money to build a base of operations (which he did), free Assassins from slavers (did), obtain medicines for the people of Nassau (did), and help his friends escape from Nassau (did). What else was he supposed to do, start an orphanage? 2. With friends like these...well, let's just go down the list: A ditzy rich boy who helped Edward get to Havana (where he was headed in the first place) and afterword did absolutely nothing of note, one of the most evil pirates in history whose crimes included statutory rape and murdering his own crewmen, a stubborn Assassin who helped Edward with a few minor tasks and otherwise treated him with contempt for nearly the entire story, a surly raging bull with no redeemable qualities who ended up trying to ''kill'' him, a snotty, snippy, good-for-nothing jerk who marooned him (leading to the aforementioned kill attempt), and a smug, self-important fop who sold out to Laureano Torres. No great loss for anybody. His ''real'' friends, Anne Bonny and Adewale, are still very much alive at the end. 3. Why should he have supported the Assassins' cause? Up until when Ah Tabai rescues him from prison, they did '''nothing''' for him. Their whole philosophy baffles him and no one makes any attempt to explain it, and he was effectively banished from Tulum ''after'' rescuing several of them from Laurens Prins. Time and again Edward asked what was in it for him, and he never got an answer.
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*** This. Don't forget, too, that he can find and retrieve a Mayan Stele stone on the first island he ends up on, long before James Kidd explains to him how.

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*** This. Don't forget, too, that he can find and retrieve a Mayan Stele stone on the first island he ends up on, long before James Kidd ever explains to him how.

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* Edward's spiral of depression after escaping from prison. Okay, the Jackdaw is missing and he has no idea where Bartholomew Roberts is. He's escaped from two deserted islands (in both cases surviving an outright ''murder attempt'' from the other occupant); a bustling city should be a paradise compared to that. The smart thing to do would be to lay low, snoop for information about his ship and/or Roberts, pickpocket orloot once in a while, and otherwise just take it easy and enjoy the fresh air for a few weeks. The ''simple'' thing to do would be to steal another ship and pick up right where he left off (presumably shipping it off to the fleet once he found the Jackdaw) Sure, being betrayed by Roberts is a bummer, but of the "I'm going to kill that bastard" variety, not the "my life has no meaning anymore" variety. And on top of that, ''he just escaped from prison!''! Disappointment, frustration, sure, but what exactly is there for him to be ''depressed'' about?
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* Edward's spiral of depression after escaping from prison. Okay, the Jackdaw is missing and he has no idea where Bartholomew Roberts is. He's escaped from two deserted islands (in both cases surviving an outright ''murder attempt'' from the other occupant); a bustling city should be a paradise compared to that. The smart thing to do would be to lay low, snoop for information about his ship and/or Roberts, pickpocket orloot or loot once in a while, and otherwise just take it easy and enjoy the fresh air for a few weeks. The ''simple'' thing to do would be to steal another ship and pick up right where he left off (presumably shipping it off to the fleet once he found the Jackdaw) Sure, being betrayed by Roberts is a bummer, but of the "I'm going to kill that bastard" variety, not the "my life has no meaning anymore" variety. And on top of that, ''he just escaped from prison!''! prison!'' Disappointment, frustration, sure, but what exactly is there for him to be ''depressed'' about?
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* Why exactly did Edward fall into a spiral of depression after escaping from prison? Okay, his ship is missing and he has no idea where Bartholomew Roberts is. He's survived been stranded on TWO deserted islands; a bustling city should be a paradise compared to that. The smart thing to do would be to lay low, snoop for information about his ship and/or Roberts, pickpocket/loot the occasional guard, and otherwise just take it easy and enjoy the fresh air for a few weeks. The ''simple'' thing to do would be to just steal another ship (which is how he got the Jackdaw in the first place) and resume his career. Sure, being betrayed by Roberts is a bummer, but of the "I'm going to ''kill'' that bastard" variety, not the "my life has no meaning anymore" variety. And on top of that, ''he just escaped from prison!'' He should be ''more'' fired up, not less!

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* Why exactly did Edward fall into a Edward's spiral of depression after escaping from prison? prison. Okay, his ship the Jackdaw is missing and he has no idea where Bartholomew Roberts is. He's survived been stranded on TWO escaped from two deserted islands; islands (in both cases surviving an outright ''murder attempt'' from the other occupant); a bustling city should be a paradise compared to that. The smart thing to do would be to lay low, snoop for information about his ship and/or Roberts, pickpocket/loot the occasional guard, pickpocket orloot once in a while, and otherwise just take it easy and enjoy the fresh air for a few weeks. The ''simple'' thing to do would be to just steal another ship (which is how and pick up right where he got left off (presumably shipping it off to the Jackdaw in fleet once he found the first place) and resume his career. Jackdaw) Sure, being betrayed by Roberts is a bummer, but of the "I'm going to ''kill'' kill that bastard" variety, not the "my life has no meaning anymore" variety. And on top of that, ''he just escaped from prison!'' He should prison!''! Disappointment, frustration, sure, but what exactly is there for him to be ''more'' fired up, not less!''depressed'' about?
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** It stands for "Real-Life." If you want to know who first came up with it I doubt you'd be able to find out. Someone on the internet started using it and it caught on.

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** It stands for "Real-Life." If you want to know who first came up with it I doubt you'd be able to find out. Someone on the internet started using it and it caught on.on.
* Why exactly did Edward fall into a spiral of depression after escaping from prison? Okay, his ship is missing and he has no idea where Bartholomew Roberts is. He's survived been stranded on TWO deserted islands; a bustling city should be a paradise compared to that. The smart thing to do would be to lay low, snoop for information about his ship and/or Roberts, pickpocket/loot the occasional guard, and otherwise just take it easy and enjoy the fresh air for a few weeks. The ''simple'' thing to do would be to just steal another ship (which is how he got the Jackdaw in the first place) and resume his career. Sure, being betrayed by Roberts is a bummer, but of the "I'm going to ''kill'' that bastard" variety, not the "my life has no meaning anymore" variety. And on top of that, ''he just escaped from prison!'' He should be ''more'' fired up, not less!
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*** This. Don't forget, too, that he can find and retrieve a Mayan Stele stone on the first island he ends up on, long before James Kidd explains to him how.

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** The same answer to half the headscratchers from the first game; it's the Animus. Abstergo is just too lazy to put in the effort to have things take place in the correct chronological order. The in-game database entries even state this outright; plenty of structures and landmarks are in the game despite not being built until a decade or two after the event of the game.

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** The same answer to half the headscratchers from the first game; it's the Animus. Abstergo is just too lazy to put in the effort to have things take place in the correct chronological order. The in-game database entries even state this outright; plenty of structures and landmarks are in the game despite not being built until a decade or two after the event of the game. Its also fitting in their character as Templars, less devoted to the truth than the Assassins whose animus tends to have "fewer" anachronisms, guided mostly by Shawn's pednatry.


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**** Haytham was being trained in swordsmanship by his father Edward in the explicit hopes of raising him as an Assassin and he also inspired him to awaken his "eagle sense". Of course he died at the age of 10 but undoubtedly part of that training led Haytham in the same direction.
*** The best answer is perhaps blood, first-civilization genes which Edward and many Assassins possess. In the second game, the Video "The truth" with Adam and Eve showed them having Parkour and freerunning skills implying that this is the source for the Assassin's gifts. There's also the fact that Edward is a very quick learner, capable of assimilating information fast and good improviser. All it took was Woodes Rogers and Julien du Casse telling him the different assassination techniques and we play him go through that in an obstacle course. He also has skills as a sailor of climbing up masts and topsails, "every finger a fishhook".
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*** Well there's all the various assassin tricks that he knows. Things like the way he uses the hidden blade like he's been trained in it for double kills, running kills and the other various special kills. Things like a regular stealth kill or kill from hiding make perfect sense, just imagine using a dagger. But these skills do not come off as the sort of thing just anyone would know how to do but Edward just does. Just because. As for Haytham this makes more sense than you're giving it credit for - there's no reason the two groups shouldn't fight in almost the exact same way - they're basically two sides of the coin. They want the same things essentially, they just want it to happen in entirely different ways.


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*** The above is actually the best answer. If you look at the people rescued and the ones standing with Calico Jack they're the same. Those who are turning against you are Jacks own crew mates that he's already convinced to turn against Vanes. The bigger cause for confusion is why Vanes, Edward and Ade just stand there - those three could take Jack and the whole damn crew if they had to seeing as how you can basically do just that to any regular Man-o-War. GameplayAndStorySegregation at its finest.


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*** That would be true if this wasn't already a running gag of the Assassin's Creed games. All that work Altair put into making things right in the first game? Irrelevant. Everything falls apart in front of him, he does nothing to stop it and his kid and best friend gets killed for it. Desmond busts his hump to save the world only to find out that every step of the way he's been manipulated and then [[spoiler: he dies.]] So having Edward die, his son taken in by the Templars and his daughter sold into sex slavery makes perfect sense for an epilogue. In the future we'll find out that Connor was killed by slipping and falling down the stairs to his home, accidentally crushing his infant child in the process.
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** The same answer to half the headscratchers from the first game; it's the Animus. Abstergo is just too lazy to put in the effort to have things take place in the correct chronological order. The in-game database entries even state this outright; plenty of structures and landmarks are in the game despite not being built until a decade or two after the event of the game.


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** What Assassin skills? There is nothing the Assassins do that is unique to their profession, and a lot of their skills would be shared with successful pirates or aren't things that you really need to be trained by someone else to do (such as the leap of faith or parkour). You might as well be asking why Hathman has all the assassin skills despite his training being solely under the Templars.

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* How does Edward Kenway take Assassin Contracts before he actually is told about them? GameplayAndStorySeparation or is there an untold story? Perhaps the Bartender in Havana told him about them, recognizing his attire and assuming he was an Assassin? Murder for hire isn't beyond Edward's capacity.

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* How does Edward Kenway take Assassin Contracts before he actually is told about them? GameplayAndStorySeparation or is there an untold story? story?
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Perhaps the Bartender in Havana told him about them, recognizing his attire and assuming he was an Assassin? Murder for hire isn't beyond Edward's capacity.
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* How does Edward Kenway take Assassin Contracts before he actually is told about them? GameplayAndStorySeparation or is there an untold story? Perhaps the Bartender in Havana told him about them, recognizing his attire and assuming he was an Assassin? Murder for hire isn't beyond Edward's capacity.
* Speaking of which, how DOES Edward possess so many Assassin skills before he becomes, well, an Assassin.
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* Where did the moniker R-L for the PlayerCharacter come from?

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* Where did the moniker R-L for the PlayerCharacter come from?from?
** It stands for "Real-Life." If you want to know who first came up with it I doubt you'd be able to find out. Someone on the internet started using it and it caught on.
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** Or have access to the DNA memories of the Chinese Assassin (feel free to swap that out with her actual name) who was with him for most of the events.

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** Or have access to the DNA memories of the Chinese Assassin (feel free to swap that out with her actual name) who was with him for most of the events.events.
* Where did the moniker R-L for the PlayerCharacter come from?
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** Abstergo may be raiding graves and tombs across Europe for their DNA.

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** Abstergo may be raiding graves and tombs across Europe for their DNA.DNA.
** Or have access to the DNA memories of the Chinese Assassin (feel free to swap that out with her actual name) who was with him for most of the events.
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** It is possible to explore the fate of the Jackdaw in Freedom Cry.
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* During the review video for if Ezio would be a suitable property to use in video games, they show and discuss events that happened during Embers. How do they have this footage and know these events, if they occurred after Ezio had his last child and stopped passing on his DNA?

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* During the review video for if Ezio would be a suitable property to use in video games, they show and discuss events that happened during Embers. How do they have this footage and know these events, if they occurred after Ezio had his last child and stopped passing on his DNA?DNA?
** Abstergo may be raiding graves and tombs across Europe for their DNA.
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** Also in ''Forsaken'', the earliest journal entry that Haytham dates is towards a trip to White's Chocolate House which is where Edward promises to take him after quitting "this posh gig". The game ends right where ''Forsaken'' and Haytham's story begins.

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** Also in ''Forsaken'', the earliest journal entry that Haytham dates is towards a trip to White's Chocolate House which is where Edward promises to take him after quitting "this posh gig". The game ends right where ''Forsaken'' and Haytham's story begins.begins.
* During the review video for if Ezio would be a suitable property to use in video games, they show and discuss events that happened during Embers. How do they have this footage and know these events, if they occurred after Ezio had his last child and stopped passing on his DNA?
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* Why are the Templars interested in making public not only the Animus data but the Assassin vs. Templar conflict? Edward isn't a great role model for Assassin behavior but he's still not exactly friendly to their cause.
** In-game its stated that they plan to alter the content and market it differently from how it was. The player character is Research Analyst who merely collects data as to how it happened in the past. The final game trailers are StylisticSuck ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'' knock-offs whereas ''Black Flag'' is a ShownTheirWork WartsAndAll look at the GoldenAgeOfPiracy.
* Why does the crew of the Jackdaw [[spoiler: not object to Calico Jack's actions against Edward Kenway and Adewale?]]. It's understandable they stand aside for [[spoiler: Charles Vane]] but you'd think they'd have a problem with [[spoiler: marooning their Captain and Quartermaster before a total stranger takes over their ship.]] Charles Vane blames it on [[spoiler: Edward's obsession with the Observatory]] but this seems to be NeverMyFault more than anything.
** One thing is timing, Jack pulls it off so suddenly that there's not much time to react, second the crew regards Edward, Adewale and Charles Vane as very tough fighters, which they are, so they would likely feel that they don't have the same luck and skill level and then there's self-preservation. Deal with Rackham for the time being instead of going ZergRush on him and his boys which would cause a massacre on ship and would likely endanger their captain and quartermaster. The other reason is that TheMutiny seems to be a common, and certainly not unknown occurrence so the crew might feel that if Rackham pulled it off than he's earned it. By and large the Jackdaw prefer Edward when he's successful, lucky and not working with ObviouslyEvil pirates like Bartholomew Roberts but beyond that they have no special feeling for Edward, they're OnlyInItForTheMoney, just like Edward, and want to save their own lives as well.
** Also bear in mind that Edward rescued Vane and Rackham from their own sinking ship and along with them a bunch of their crew tumbled aboard the Jackdaw. So it wasn't just the Jackdaw's own crew but Vane and Rackham's boys to contend with.
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** There's an answer in Fridge Brilliance, which more or less states it's because [[spoiler: Edward didn't have any of his armor or health bonuses and was protecting his wife and son--which means he was extra vulnerable]]. You could also argue that, like professional athletes, he'd done a number on his body with all the fighting and rum catching up to him.

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** There's an answer in Fridge Brilliance, which more or less states it's because [[spoiler: Edward didn't have any of his armor or health bonuses and was protecting his wife and son--which means he was extra vulnerable]]. You could also argue that, like professional athletes, he'd done a number on his body with all the fighting and rum catching up to him. Which would be a case of RealityEnsues more than anything else.
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** There's an answer in Fridge Brilliance, which more or less states it's because [[spoiler: Edward didn't have any of his armor or health bonuses and was protecting his wife and son--which means he was extra vulnerable]]. You could also argue that, like professional athletes, he'd done a number on his body with all the fighting and rum catching up to him.
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* Edward had his daughter and Haytham, yet the Researcher can still access memories from well after Haytham was born; the Opera house epilogue. Unless it's not canon.

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* Edward had his daughter and Haytham, yet the Researcher can still access memories from well after Haytham was born; the Opera house epilogue. Unless it's not canon.canon.
** The same way we can see Ezio's dying moments in ''Embers'' more or less from his POV. It is canon but is essentially outside the Animus interface. A bigger question is how the footage from ''Embers'' is available in-game for Abstergo's perusal.
** A more prosaic answer is that the memory at the end of game is Haytham's. He's very small and so is initially obscured until he tugs at his father's sleeve but is still close enough to see and hear everything even if he is too small to understand it. Likely the researcher sequenced the Haytham memories of his childhood as well and used that to draw on Edward's post-game life.
** Also in ''Forsaken'', the earliest journal entry that Haytham dates is towards a trip to White's Chocolate House which is where Edward promises to take him after quitting "this posh gig". The game ends right where ''Forsaken'' and Haytham's story begins.
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** Either dead or too far away to help, as what usually happens throughout the history of the games.

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** Either dead or too far away to help, as what usually happens throughout the history of the games.games.
* Edward had his daughter and Haytham, yet the Researcher can still access memories from well after Haytham was born; the Opera house epilogue. Unless it's not canon.
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*** Robert didn't like his brother much.
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* Another WhatHappendToTheMouse, at the end of the game, Edward builds contacts with the Caribbean Assassins, Adewale and Ah Tabai and later works in England as an Assassin presumably with locals there. So in ''Literature/AssasssinsCreedForsaken'', where were the rest of them when [[spoiler: when Edward was attacked by Birch and Templars. Why didn't any of them rescue Haytham from Birch's evil influence or save Jenny from her fate.]] You would expect that Adewale, who admittedly has his own life and concerns far away in the Caribbean, would be interested about his old friend and his family.

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* Another WhatHappendToTheMouse, at the end of the game, Edward builds contacts with the Caribbean Assassins, Adewale and Ah Tabai and later works in England as an Assassin presumably with locals there. So in ''Literature/AssasssinsCreedForsaken'', where were the rest of them when [[spoiler: when Edward was attacked by Birch and Templars. Why didn't any of them rescue Haytham from Birch's evil influence or save Jenny from her fate.]] You would expect that Adewale, who admittedly has his own life and concerns far away in the Caribbean, would be interested about his old friend and his family.family.
** Either dead or too far away to help, as what usually happens throughout the history of the games.
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** Whereas the Jackdaw was repurposed from a Spanish escort, the Aquila was built specifically for usage by the Assassins. The Aquila outclasses the Jackdaw on almost every point, having 30 guns vs 23 on the Jackdaw, in addition to 4 vs 2 swivels.

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** Whereas the Jackdaw was repurposed from a Spanish escort, the Aquila was built specifically for usage by the Assassins. The Aquila outclasses the Jackdaw on almost every point, having 30 guns vs 23 on the Jackdaw, in addition to 4 vs 2 swivels.swivels.
* Another WhatHappendToTheMouse, at the end of the game, Edward builds contacts with the Caribbean Assassins, Adewale and Ah Tabai and later works in England as an Assassin presumably with locals there. So in ''Literature/AssasssinsCreedForsaken'', where were the rest of them when [[spoiler: when Edward was attacked by Birch and Templars. Why didn't any of them rescue Haytham from Birch's evil influence or save Jenny from her fate.]] You would expect that Adewale, who admittedly has his own life and concerns far away in the Caribbean, would be interested about his old friend and his family.
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** In the novel it is stated that Edward secured himself a pardon from Robert Walpole by working for him, shortly after returning to England.

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** In the novel it is stated that Edward secured himself a pardon from Robert Walpole SirRobertWalpole by working for him, shortly after returning to England.England. This happens to be a curious fact in itself, given that he is the brother of Duncan Walpole, whose death at the hands of Edward signified Edwards foray into being an Assassin.

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* Considering Edward used his real name among pirates which is later known to Woodes Rogers and the British Navy and kept his hood down during Boarding, and deliberately refuses Rogers' Pardon, how did he even retire in the first place without criminal charges waiting for him back home. Did the Assassins scrub his records or did he pay the biggest bribe to someone?
* Related to WhatHappenedToTheMouse, in the game you build and upgrade the Jackdaw into a CoolShip that can take out Man O Wars and Legendary Ships, so how come it seems to disappear completely by the time of AssassinsCreedIII where the Acquila is the flagship of the Assassin Fleet. Did Edward salvage the Jackdaw or did it go down in battle sometime in his retirement?

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* Considering ** In the novel it is stated that Edward used his real name among pirates which is later known to Woodes Rogers and the British Navy and kept his hood down during Boarding, and deliberately refuses Rogers' Pardon, how did he even retire in the first place without criminal charges waiting secured himself a pardon from Robert Walpole by working for him back home. Did the Assassins scrub his records or did he pay the biggest bribe him, shortly after returning to someone?
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* Related to WhatHappenedToTheMouse, in the game you build and upgrade the Jackdaw into a CoolShip that can take out Man O Wars and Legendary Ships, so how come it seems to disappear completely by the time of AssassinsCreedIII where the Acquila Aquila is the flagship of the Assassin Fleet. Did Edward salvage the Jackdaw or did it go down in battle sometime in his retirement?retirement?
** Whereas the Jackdaw was repurposed from a Spanish escort, the Aquila was built specifically for usage by the Assassins. The Aquila outclasses the Jackdaw on almost every point, having 30 guns vs 23 on the Jackdaw, in addition to 4 vs 2 swivels.
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* The biggest headscratcher to fans who have played ''AssassinsCreedIII'' and/or read ''[[Literature/AssassinsCreedForsaken Assassin's Creed: Forsaken]]'' and then played this game's [[AdaptationalBadass version]] of Edward Kenway is how does TheCaptain of the Jackdaw, the scourge of Empires, the man who outlasted Benjamin Hornigold, Blackbeard, Charles Vane and Bartholomew Roberts, [[spoiler: end up dying in his house, at the age of 42, killed by random mooks]] when in the past he cleared Spanish galleons, British Man O'Wars and several legendary ships, and hunted several sharks and whales moreover.
* Considering Edward used his real name among pirates which is later known to Woodes Rogers and the British Navy and kept his hood down during Boarding, and deliberately refuses Rogers' Pardon, how did he even retire in the first place without criminal charges waiting for him back home. Did the Assassins scrub his records or did he pay the biggest bribe to someone?
* Related to WhatHappenedToTheMouse, in the game you build and upgrade the Jackdaw into a CoolShip that can take out Man O Wars and Legendary Ships, so how come it seems to disappear completely by the time of AssassinsCreedIII where the Acquila is the flagship of the Assassin Fleet. Did Edward salvage the Jackdaw or did it go down in battle sometime in his retirement?

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