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**** Or called them stuff like "wee folk", brownies, kobolds, or similar house spirits, who help with domestic chores in exchange for offerings of food or milk so long as they are not mistreated. [[FridgeBrilliance Huh, actually]]...
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*** This is another thing that the books cover in some detail. The main thing here is that Borrowers ''don't trust humans.'' Arrietty is somewhat of an odd case, being the only Borrower who's not only willing to give humans a chance, but actively seeks them out and talks to them several times. The other Borrowers, Pod especially, repeatedly warn her that humans are untrustworthy and showing yourself to them will only lead to disaster -- and the depressing thing is that more often than not they turn out to be ''right.'' Even though the humans Arrietty befriends are friendly enough, it leads to other, less friendly humans finding out about them. And this again leads to the Borrowers either having to leave their home because the humans freak out and come after them with cats or ferrets, or they try to capture them and put them in cages. Add to this that Borrowers are so completely outmatched by humans in every way that even one ill-intentioned human could potentially kill off an entire Borrower population with little difficulty, and it becomes easy enough to see why Borrowers believe that the only way they even have a ''chance'' to survive in a world of humans is if the humans don't know they're there.
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** He knew to leave the sugar cube by the grate outside, so he likely guessed that her house was somewhere near that spot. All he had to do then is find what that location corresponds to on the inside of his aunt’s house and then find a way underneath the floorboards to get to it.

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* How did Sho find Arrietty's house location in the closet ?

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* How did Sho find Arrietty's house location in the closet ?closet?


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** And even if it were morally relevant, do you think she was right to trap one of them in a jar and hire an extermination crew to find and trap the others? If you want to get technical, it's not even Haru's stuff they were stealing anyway -- she doesn't have any right to complain about it.
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** First of all, she didn't "know" about the Borrowers, she her grandfather had only claimed to have seen them, but she, herself, didn't have any verification... By all means, she may have ''wanted'' to know if the Borrowers really did exist or not and, if they did, help them any way she could... That said, she ''knows for a fact'' that rats are real and may reasonably even be aware of the fact that some rats live in her walls (rats aren't necessarily silent when they crawl around). Frankly speaking, given her skepticism when Haru claimed she had found Borrowers, she had very little reason ''not'' to have a cat.

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** First of all, she didn't "know" about the Borrowers, she her Borrowers. Her grandfather had only claimed to have seen them, but she, herself, didn't have any verification... By all means, she may have ''wanted'' to know if the Borrowers really did exist or not and, if they did, help them any way she could...could. That said, she ''knows for a fact'' that rats are real and may reasonably even be aware of the fact that some rats live in her walls (rats aren't necessarily silent when they crawl around). Frankly speaking, given her skepticism when Haru claimed she had found Borrowers, she had very little reason ''not'' to have a cat.
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*** Nowadays, maybe. If medieval people discovered Borrowers they'd call them devils or put them on display or something. Some people would even still do that now, I'm sure.

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*** Nowadays, maybe. If medieval people had discovered Borrowers they'd call have called them devils or put them on display or something. Some people would even still do that now, I'm sure.
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**** Nowadays, maybe. If medieval people discovered Borrowers they'd call them devils or put them on display or something. Some people would even still do that now, I'm sure.
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*** Realistically, you think that ''someone'' would make contact with human civilization. Everyone could stop hiding and we'd work out some sort of agreement between the two groups. Maybe the humans could trade goods in exchange for services. (Borrowers would be great at anything that requires fine detail, like fixing watches or inspecting for termites or whatever.) And maybe some of them would live in borrower-sized villages, instead of always hanging out in human-sized houses where everything is far too big.) But these sensible ideas never get explored, because the whole idea of the borrowers comes from the fact that things get lost in real life, so it's fun to imagine that tiny people have taken them away. And since we never see tiny people in real life, this suggests that the tiny people are all hiding for some reason. Hence the Borrowers and their take on humanity. But realistically, yeah, we could make this work without anyone needing to hide or steal.

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*** Realistically, you think that ''someone'' would make contact with human civilization. Everyone could stop hiding and we'd work out some sort of agreement between the two groups. Maybe the humans could trade goods in exchange for services. (Borrowers would be great at anything that requires fine detail, like fixing watches or inspecting for termites or whatever.) And maybe some of them would live in borrower-sized villages, instead of always hanging out in human-sized houses where everything is far too big.) But these sensible ideas never get explored, because the whole idea of the borrowers comes from the fact that things get lost in real life, so it's fun to imagine that tiny people have taken them away. And since we never see tiny people in real life, this suggests that the tiny people are all hiding for some reason. Hence the Borrowers and their take on humanity. But realistically, yeah, we could make this work without anyone needing to hide or steal.
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*** Realistically, you think that ''someone'' would make contact with human civilization. Everyone could stop hiding and we'd work out some sort of agreement between the two groups. Maybe the humans could trade goods in exchange for services. (Borrowers would be great at anything that requires fine detail, like fixing watches or inspecting for termites or whatever.) And maybe some of them would live in borrower-sized villages, instead of always hanging out in human-sized houses where everything is far too big.) But these sensible ideas never get explored, because the whole idea of the borrowers comes from the fact that things get lost in real life, so it's fun to imagine that tiny people have taken them away. And since we never see tiny people in real life, this suggests that the tiny people are all hiding for some reason. Hence the Borrowers and their take on humanity. But realistically, yeah, we could make this work without anyone needing to hide or steal.
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Added a mention of something that bothered me when I followed the link. (Previously, it seemed to imply that it was using general morality, or perhaps some specific secular philosophy, rather than focusing exclusively on Catholic moral handbooks.)


** There's a nice mini-essay [[http://www.decentfilms.com/blog/are-the-borrowers-thieves here]] discussing the moral implications of what the Borrowers do and whether it constitutes "stealing".

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** There's a nice mini-essay [[http://www.decentfilms.com/blog/are-the-borrowers-thieves here]] discussing the moral implications of what the Borrowers do and whether it constitutes "stealing".[[labelnote:*]]It does so from a strictly Catholic point of view, but the general principles hold true in most moral philosophies.[[/labelnote]]
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** First of all, she didn't "know" about the Borrowers, she her grandfather had only claimed to have seen them, but she, herself, didn't have any verification... By all means, she may have ''wanted'' to know if the Borrowers really did exist or not and, if they did, help them any way she could... That said, she ''knows for a fact'' that rats are real and may reasonably even be aware of the fact that some rats live in her walls (rats aren't necessarily silent when they crawl around). Frankly speaking, given her skepticism when Haru claimed she had found Borrowers, she had very little reason ''not'' to have a cat.
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It was his aunt. Sorry.


*** OK, but there's something else. After the maid tells Sho's granny that the kitchen from the doll's house was stolen, they go upstairs to Sho's bedroom and open his door without unlocking it first (the maid locked it with a key). Did I miss something?

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*** OK, but there's something else. After the maid tells Sho's granny aunt that the kitchen from the doll's house was stolen, they go upstairs to Sho's bedroom and open his door without unlocking it first (the maid locked it with a key). Did I miss something?
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* ... so does it bother anyone else that the Borrowers and (friendly) humans don't talk or work things out? Yes, yes, I know that's meant to be part of the film's tragedy -- but there's just so much that Sho could do for Arrietty and her family. And for that matter, an awful lot that Borrowers could do for humans. Just think how much difference a tiny-sized intelligent worker could make in fields requiring small-scale precision... like, for instance, heart surgery.
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** Honestly, I see the entire issue as irrelevant from a moral standpoint. The Borrowers have to borrow in order to survive in a hostile world. They borrow in such small quantities that it's impossible for them to harm humans financially or in terms of required resources. As thinking, feeling beings, the Borrowers' need to survive far outweighs the issue of theft, as far as I'm concerned.

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** Honestly, I agree with the link. I see the entire issue as irrelevant from a moral standpoint.morally irrelevant. The Borrowers have to borrow in order to survive in a hostile world. They borrow in such small quantities that it's impossible for them to harm humans financially or in terms of required resources. As thinking, feeling beings, the Borrowers' need to survive far outweighs the issue of (very minor) theft, as far as I'm concerned.



** Maybe all the doors in the house are unlocked and locked with the same key. He dug out a spare one from the kitchen while he was there.

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** *** Maybe all the doors in the house are unlocked and locked with the same key. He dug out a spare one from the kitchen while he was there.

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** Honestly, I see the entire issue as irrelevant from a moral standpoint. The Borrowers have to borrow in order to survive in a hostile world. They borrow in such small quantities that it's impossible for them to harm humans financially or in terms of required resources. As thinking, feeling beings, the Borrowers' need to survive far outweighs the issue of theft, as far as I'm concerned.



** Actually you're right - If Sho/Shawn climbed out the window, he had the ''kitchen'' with him... Sho had to have been very ''very'' careful to not fall off the roof. The only explanation is that maybe he locked the door... but how'd he know which key?

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** Actually you're right - If Sho/Shawn climbed out the window, he had the ''kitchen'' with him... Sho had to have been very ''very'' careful to not fall off the roof. The only explanation is that maybe he locked the door... but how'd he know which key? key?
** Maybe all the doors in the house are unlocked and locked with the same key. He dug out a spare one from the kitchen while he was there.
* So if Sho/Shawn's aunt knows about the "little people" and wants to help them... why'd she get a cat? A species known for catching and killing small things?
* ... so does it bother anyone else that the Borrowers and (friendly) humans don't talk or work things out? Yes, yes, I know that's meant to be part of the film's tragedy -- but there's just so much that Sho could do for Arrietty and her family. And for that matter, an awful lot that Borrowers could do for humans. Just think how much difference a tiny-sized intelligent worker could make in fields requiring small-scale precision... like, for instance, heart surgery.
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** There's a nice mini-essay [[http://www.decentfilms.com/blog/are-the-borrowers-thieves here]] discussing the moral implications of what the Borrowers do and whether it constitutes "stealing".
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** He says before he leaves that he's going to make sure it's safe, so presumably he was checking the whole route, if it took him such a long time.
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** Actually you're right - If Sho/Shawn climbed out the window, he had the ''kitchen'' with him... Sho had to have been very ''very'' careful to not fall off the roof. The only explanation is that maybe he locked the door... but how'd he know which key?
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** This is discussed at length in the book, where the boy (who was named Sho/Shawn for the movie) points out to Arrietty several time that their "Borrowing" is technically stealing. She repeatedly blows him off, because Borrowers have basically come to believe that humans exist only to support them, and thus it can't possibly be stealing to take things from a human -- it's what humans are ''for.'' While Arrietty does come to revise her opinion on humans, and realizes that they don't just exist for the convenience of Borrowers, she never quite loses the "it's not stealing if it's from a human" mentality.

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** This is discussed at length in the book, where the boy (who was named Sho/Shawn for the movie) points out to Arrietty several time times that their "Borrowing" is technically stealing. She repeatedly blows him off, because Borrowers have basically come to believe that humans exist only to support them, and thus it can't possibly be stealing to take things from a human -- it's what humans are ''for.'' While Arrietty does come to revise her opinion on humans, and realizes that they don't just exist for the convenience of Borrowers, she never quite loses the "it's not stealing if it's from a human" mentality.
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** This is discussed at length in the book, where the boy (who was named Sho/Shawn for the movie) points out to Arrietty several time that their "Borrowing" is technically stealing. She repeatedly blows him off, because Borrowers have basically come to believe that humans exist only to support them, and thus it can't possibly be stealing to take things from a human -- it's what humans are ''for.'' While Arrietty does come to revise her opinion on humans, and realizes that they don't just exist for the convenience of Borrowers, she never quite loses the "it's not stealing if it's from a human" mentality.
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*** OK, but there's something else. After the maid tells Sho's granny that the kitchen from the doll's house was stolen, they go upstairs to Sho's bedroom and open his door without unlocking it first (the maid locked it with a key). Did I miss something?
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** He probably went back the way he came, through the window.
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* How did Sho get back into his bedroom after rescuing Arrietty's mother? The maid locked the door and he had to get out by the window. Did I miss something?
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* Arietty's Mom gets kidnapped. Eventually, Arietty rescues her. During this time, where was Arietty's ''Dad''? He just disappears from the plot for awhile, without mention, until later when the family is walking through the forest towards their new home.
** Maybe he was busy scouting another route at the time, and only returned to the house after Homilly had already been rescued?
* How did Sho find Arrietty's house location in the closet ?
* Why were some of the names changed for the American English dub? I thought Studio Ghibli was against that.
** Perhaps because the Borrowers have English names (Arrietty, Pod, Homily) as in the original book. Studio Ghibli approves any changes in dialogue made in the dub.
*** But they aren't the same names anyway as in the book.
* Um, I don't want to sound harsh, but Hara is kind of right: the "Borrowers" are technically thieves. Sure, they steal only what is essential to them and what the humans wouldn't miss, but it's still theft.
** True, but remember they only take things that "won't be missed"
** Stealing things that won't be missed is still stealing. And things like missing thimbles, needles, and small vials can go noticed, particularly if they're of sentimental value. (the thimble/kiss from Peter Pan comes to mind)
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