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** Also, the Dark Presence is only seen in female form in the game. Night and Darkness have often been characterized as female in mythology. This is most likely just an extension of that, since this is a very genre savvy story. And since the Dark Presence is feminine, it seems that makes it easier to manipulate men. This generally works, except with Alan who is just very DevotedToYou. Well...that's what this romantic troper wants to believe anyway.

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** Also, the Dark Presence is only seen in female form in the game. Night and Darkness have often been characterized as female in mythology. This is most likely just an extension of that, since this is a very genre savvy GenreSavvy story. And since the Dark Presence is feminine, it seems that makes it easier to manipulate men. This generally works, except with Alan who is just very DevotedToYou. Well...that's what this romantic troper wants to believe anyway.
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** Also, the Dark Presence is only seen in female form in the game. Night and Darkness have often been characterized as female in mythology. This is most likely just an extension of that, since this is a very genre savvy story. And since the Dark Presence is feminine, it seems that makes it easier to manipulate men. This generally works, except with Alan who is just very DevotedToYou. Well...that's what this romantic troper wants to believe anyway.
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*** And to explain how it got that way; it's pretty obvious that the Lady of the Light has been playing stockpiler at various important locations around the town.


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*** Real charming response, but you've got it backwards. "Alan wrote it that way" isn't valid except in cases that are *horribly* wrong (like Thomas's resurrection of Barbara, which we *know* bit him in the rear), which is something Alan hasn't made the mistake of yet. Something isn't valid because "Alan wrote it that way", "Alan wrote it that way" because its' valid to the story and he provided reasons to make it valid.


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*** This and the stuff below. Also, thanks to the wonders of how Cauldron Lake worked it is likely that Alan would be able to hand the Dark Presence an IdiotBall by giving the reason that "they were toying with him." Even if it is a reason that is really, really not that beneficial from the Dark Presence's PoV.
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** It's equally possible that Alan Wake created Thomas Zane, that ''Thomas Zane'' created Alan Wake, or that they both existed independently of each other. It's even possible, if unmentioned in the game, that ''both of them'' were created by a third party.[[hottip:*:My money is on the crazy game developer from the lodge.]]

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** It's equally possible that Alan Wake created Thomas Zane, that ''Thomas Zane'' created Alan Wake, or that they both existed independently of each other. It's even possible, if unmentioned in the game, that ''both of them'' were created by a third party.[[hottip:*:My [[note]]My money is on the crazy game developer from the lodge.]][[/note]]
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** It's equally possible that Alan Wake created Thomas Zane, that ''Thomas Zane'' created Alan Wake, or that they both existed independently of each other. It's even possible, if unmentioned in the game, that ''both of them'' were created by a third party.[[hottip:*:My money is on the crazy game developer from the lodge.]]
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** The helicopter has FBI clearly written on its side. So how did Nightingale or the Sheriff's Department have access to it?
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* How the hell is Nightingale able to keep his badge beyond Episode 3? I mean, first he (presumably) barges into the Sheriff's office, screaming at the top of his lungs that Alan is the one responsible for both Alice's disappearance and the other strange occurrences in Bright Falls, ''without any shred of proof to back it up''. That alone should have raised some red flags with the police, but then he nearly guns down two innocent civilians while trying to ''murder'' an unarmed suspect he had no evidence against, as well as lead nearly all of the Bright Falls police to their deaths and subsequent becoming Taken. And yet Breaker doesn't even try to contact the FBI and tell them to fire his ass.

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* How the hell is Nightingale able to keep his badge beyond Episode 3? I mean, first he (presumably) barges into the Sheriff's office, screaming at the top of his lungs that Alan is the one responsible for both Alice's disappearance and the other strange occurrences in Bright Falls, ''without any shred of proof to back it up''. That alone should have raised some red flags with the police, but then he nearly guns down two innocent civilians while trying to ''murder'' an unarmed suspect he had no evidence against, as well as lead nearly all of the Bright Falls police to their deaths and subsequent becoming Taken. And yet Breaker doesn't even try to contact the FBI and tell them to fire his ass.ass.
** She doesn't exactly have any free time to do this. She has more important things to worry about than whining to a probably uncaring individual in Washington who will likely side with "their" agent over a sherriff of a middle-of-nowhere small town. Remember that at the time, she's overseeing a massive manhunt, multiple missing persons, and ''her entire police department literally vanishing overnight.'' And it goes downhill from there!
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** In American Nightmare Alan explains that in places such as Cauldron Lake reality is worn thin between our world and the world the Dark Place is part of, whatever that might be. Additionally, he says that the Dark Presence is merely one of the many EldritchAbominations that inhabit it.

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** In American Nightmare Alan explains that in places such as Cauldron Lake reality is worn thin between our world and the world the Dark Place is part of, whatever that might be. Additionally, he says that the Dark Presence is merely one of the many EldritchAbominations {{Eldritch Abomination}}s that inhabit it.
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** Because of the way Cauldron Lake works, if Alan wrote that it happened, then it ''did'' happen, and probably retroactively rewrites history. But if you mean before he went into the lake, then ''technically'' no. However, Zane's existence in Alan's dream at the beginning strongly implies that yes, he was involved in fighting against the Dark Presence back in the [='70s=], since that was before Alan started writing. But thanks to the lake, that could simply be Alan's writing affecting the real world before he actually starts writing which would mean that there never was a "real" Thomas Zane and [[MindScrew oh no I've gone cross-eyed]].

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** Because of the way Cauldron Lake works, if Alan wrote that it happened, then it ''did'' happen, and probably retroactively rewrites history. But if you mean before he went into the lake, then ''technically'' no. However, Zane's existence in Alan's dream at the beginning strongly implies that yes, he was involved in fighting against the Dark Presence back in the [='70s=], since that was before Alan started writing. But thanks to the lake, that could simply be Alan's writing affecting the real world before he actually starts writing which would mean that there never was a "real" Thomas Zane and [[MindScrew oh no I've gone cross-eyed]].cross-eyed]].
* How the hell is Nightingale able to keep his badge beyond Episode 3? I mean, first he (presumably) barges into the Sheriff's office, screaming at the top of his lungs that Alan is the one responsible for both Alice's disappearance and the other strange occurrences in Bright Falls, ''without any shred of proof to back it up''. That alone should have raised some red flags with the police, but then he nearly guns down two innocent civilians while trying to ''murder'' an unarmed suspect he had no evidence against, as well as lead nearly all of the Bright Falls police to their deaths and subsequent becoming Taken. And yet Breaker doesn't even try to contact the FBI and tell them to fire his ass.
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*** Plus the cops all have guns and flashlights, and the Dark Presence presumably doesn't have unlimited Taken to throw at Alan. It needs to take out the deputies first or it could run out of men. Heck, there may not even ''be'' enough Taken in the area to stop Alan without first possessing all of the cops.
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** Because it's style is based on 3 Twilight zone-esque episodes of a pulp Sci-fi television series, instead of a Stephen King-esque Horror Novel.
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* So is there any proof that anything that Thomas Zane did actually happened before Alan showed up? Isn't it possible that everything Zane did (bringing back Barbara, writing himself out of existence, leaving a shoebox with the clicker) was written into existence by Alan? Same with the Anderson brothers. Alan could have written them both as former victims of the Dark Presence based on the shoebox full of Zane's books (maybe Zane was a real poet and the houses' previous owner was a fan) and meeting the brothers at the diner. Anything that could disprove this?

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* So is there any proof that anything that Thomas Zane did actually happened before Alan showed up? Isn't it possible that everything Zane did (bringing back Barbara, writing himself out of existence, leaving a shoebox with the clicker) was written into existence by Alan? Same with the Anderson brothers. Alan could have written them both as former victims of the Dark Presence based on the shoebox full of Zane's books (maybe Zane was a real poet and the houses' previous owner was a fan) and meeting the brothers at the diner. Anything that could disprove this?this?
** Because of the way Cauldron Lake works, if Alan wrote that it happened, then it ''did'' happen, and probably retroactively rewrites history. But if you mean before he went into the lake, then ''technically'' no. However, Zane's existence in Alan's dream at the beginning strongly implies that yes, he was involved in fighting against the Dark Presence back in the [='70s=], since that was before Alan started writing. But thanks to the lake, that could simply be Alan's writing affecting the real world before he actually starts writing which would mean that there never was a "real" Thomas Zane and [[MindScrew oh no I've gone cross-eyed]].
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** Alan put it there for himself.

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** Alan put it there for himself.himself.
* So is there any proof that anything that Thomas Zane did actually happened before Alan showed up? Isn't it possible that everything Zane did (bringing back Barbara, writing himself out of existence, leaving a shoebox with the clicker) was written into existence by Alan? Same with the Anderson brothers. Alan could have written them both as former victims of the Dark Presence based on the shoebox full of Zane's books (maybe Zane was a real poet and the houses' previous owner was a fan) and meeting the brothers at the diner. Anything that could disprove this?

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** MenAreTheExpendableGender.



** Not even the narrator is completely sure, but the bit with the theater killed Mr. Scratch, allowing Alan to escape the time loop. From there, he can write pretty much at his leisure.



** For starters, the more action-y gameplay. Giant spiders like the ones Alan fights are pretty much a staple of cheesy sci-fi B-movies, among other things. Mr. Scratch is written as a very pulpy, I'm-so-glad-I'm-evil villain. There are probably other things, too.



* How did that signal get up into space?

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** It knocked down the oil derrick, sealing the gateway to the Dark Place, preventing any more Taken from coming out. He had to use something like a satellite because derricks are big, so he can't exactly just poke one of the support beams and have it all come crashing down.
* How did that signal get up into space?space?
** Alan put it there for himself.
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** If you hang around the overturned squad cars, you hear Nightingale tell Sheriff Breaker that all her deputies have been killed by Alan. And only after that do cop taken show up. So yes, they were all the law enforcement of the town. The helicopter was probably the sheriff's, too. After all, the sheriff escorts you to the fire department helicopter and not the police helicopter. (or was it a forestry department helicopter?)

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** If you hang around the overturned squad cars, you hear Nightingale tell Sheriff Breaker that all her deputies have been killed by Alan. And only after that do cop taken show up. So yes, they were all the law enforcement of the town. The helicopter was probably the sheriff's, too. After all, the sheriff escorts you to the fire department helicopter and not the police helicopter. (or was it a forestry department helicopter?)helicopter?)
* What exactly was Alan's plan that got him out of Night Springs?
* How was ''American Nightmare'' inspired by pulp and sci-fi stories besides the giant Taken?
* What did crashing the satellite do?
* How did that signal get up into space?
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* Why are there no female Taken? It's been established that Darkness can possess women, but none of them are seen as enemies in-game.
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** In American Nightmare Alan explains that in places such as Cauldron Lake reality is worn thin between our world and the world the Dark Place is part of, whatever that might be. Additionally, he says that the Dark Presence is merely one of the many EldritchAbominations that inhabit it.
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** [[TemptingFate Because Alan wrote it that way.]]
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** The writer would sit in the cabin on the bottom of the lake until he starved to death, like Alan was doing until he went back and rewrote himself into the book.



** According to the ''Alan Wake Files'' in the Limited Edition, Nightingale is actually a rogue agent, and was fired from the FBI. Additionally, he had nightmares where he saw someone who closely resembled Alan and became obsessed with finding him. Don't quote me on this, but I think I read somewhere that Nightingale was following a string of mysterious disappearances; for all we know, he thinks he's hunting a serial killer.

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** According to the ''Alan Wake Files'' in the Limited Edition, Nightingale is actually a rogue agent, and was fired from the FBI. Additionally, he had nightmares where he saw someone who closely resembled Alan and became obsessed with finding him. Don't quote me on this, but I think I read somewhere that Nightingale was following a string of mysterious disappearances; for all we know, he thinks he's hunting a serial killer.killer.
** If you hang around the overturned squad cars, you hear Nightingale tell Sheriff Breaker that all her deputies have been killed by Alan. And only after that do cop taken show up. So yes, they were all the law enforcement of the town. The helicopter was probably the sheriff's, too. After all, the sheriff escorts you to the fire department helicopter and not the police helicopter. (or was it a forestry department helicopter?)
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* So where'd all the manpower for chasing Wake come from? Bright Falls probably wouldn't have a chopper and a few dozen men, much less several over the course of the game. The Agent couldn't call them in without blowing his cover. Or is it because Alan wrote it that way?

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* So where'd all the manpower for chasing Wake come from? Bright Falls probably wouldn't have a chopper and a few dozen men, much less several over the course of the game. The Agent couldn't call them in without blowing his cover. Or is it because Alan wrote it that way?way?
** According to the ''Alan Wake Files'' in the Limited Edition, Nightingale is actually a rogue agent, and was fired from the FBI. Additionally, he had nightmares where he saw someone who closely resembled Alan and became obsessed with finding him. Don't quote me on this, but I think I read somewhere that Nightingale was following a string of mysterious disappearances; for all we know, he thinks he's hunting a serial killer.
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** Wake explicitly rewrote the events surrounding the end of the game to repair the damage he inflicted. He explicitly states this in the first DLC's intro, where he says he wrote a happy ending to Departure.

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** Wake explicitly rewrote the events surrounding the end of the game to repair the damage he inflicted. He explicitly states this in the first DLC's intro, where he says he wrote a happy ending to Departure.Departure.
* So where'd all the manpower for chasing Wake come from? Bright Falls probably wouldn't have a chopper and a few dozen men, much less several over the course of the game. The Agent couldn't call them in without blowing his cover. Or is it because Alan wrote it that way?
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* Hordes of Taken appear throughout the game, there have to be hundreds of them. I get that most of them are disappearances that occurred over decades, the Dark Presence taking a few campers or a couple of hikers now and then, very slowly bolstering its forces. But quite a few of them are also taken ''during'' the events of the game, like Rusty and Carl Stucky. When all of the events of the game are over, the town should be pretty much wrecked by the various tornadoes and Taken battles, and a lot of people would suddenly be missing, but no one seems to notice this in the cutscene ending. What happened? Did Wake's victory over the Dark Presence warp reality so that the events technically didn't happen, or something?

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* Hordes of Taken appear throughout the game, there have to be hundreds of them. I get that most of them are disappearances that occurred over decades, the Dark Presence taking a few campers or a couple of hikers now and then, very slowly bolstering its forces. But quite a few of them are also taken ''during'' the events of the game, like Rusty and Carl Stucky. When all of the events of the game are over, the town should be pretty much wrecked by the various tornadoes and Taken battles, and a lot of people would suddenly be missing, but no one seems to notice this in the cutscene ending. What happened? Did Wake's victory over the Dark Presence warp reality so that the events technically didn't happen, or something?something?
** Wake explicitly rewrote the events surrounding the end of the game to repair the damage he inflicted. He explicitly states this in the first DLC's intro, where he says he wrote a happy ending to Departure.
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*** Note also that the Taken's priority is to get Alan back to the bottom of Cauldron Lake so that he can finish Departure and release the Dark Presence. They can't do that if Alan is in jail or actually ''dead''. They have an interest in keeping the cops off Alan until they can get him alone and capture him.

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*** Note also that the Taken's priority is to get Alan back to the bottom of Cauldron Lake so that he can finish Departure and release the Dark Presence. They can't do that if Alan is in jail or actually ''dead''. They have an interest in keeping the cops off Alan until they can get him alone and capture him.him.
* Hordes of Taken appear throughout the game, there have to be hundreds of them. I get that most of them are disappearances that occurred over decades, the Dark Presence taking a few campers or a couple of hikers now and then, very slowly bolstering its forces. But quite a few of them are also taken ''during'' the events of the game, like Rusty and Carl Stucky. When all of the events of the game are over, the town should be pretty much wrecked by the various tornadoes and Taken battles, and a lot of people would suddenly be missing, but no one seems to notice this in the cutscene ending. What happened? Did Wake's victory over the Dark Presence warp reality so that the events technically didn't happen, or something?
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** If you absolutely ''need'' an in-game reason, the Taken are toying with him. Simply knowing they're out there would make Alan nervous and possibly cause him to make mistakes, making him easier to kill. They're basically having fun tormenting him. Then Alan goes, "Flashbangs? Hell, yes!" and instantly becomes a threat. The Taken attempt to [[LetsGetDangerous Get Dangerous]] and fail.

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** If you absolutely ''need'' an in-game reason, the Taken are toying with him. Simply knowing they're out there would make Alan nervous and possibly cause him to make mistakes, making him easier to kill. They're basically having fun tormenting him. Then Alan goes, "Flashbangs? Hell, yes!" and instantly becomes a threat. The Taken attempt to [[LetsGetDangerous Get Dangerous]] and fail.fail.
*** Note also that the Taken's priority is to get Alan back to the bottom of Cauldron Lake so that he can finish Departure and release the Dark Presence. They can't do that if Alan is in jail or actually ''dead''. They have an interest in keeping the cops off Alan until they can get him alone and capture him.
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** You can bitch about the "Alan wrote it that way" explanation all you want, but that doesn't make it any less valid, especially considering ''he did write it that way''.

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** You can bitch about the "Alan wrote it that way" explanation all you want, but that doesn't make it any less valid, especially considering ''he did write it that way''.way''.
** If you absolutely ''need'' an in-game reason, the Taken are toying with him. Simply knowing they're out there would make Alan nervous and possibly cause him to make mistakes, making him easier to kill. They're basically having fun tormenting him. Then Alan goes, "Flashbangs? Hell, yes!" and instantly becomes a threat. The Taken attempt to [[LetsGetDangerous Get Dangerous]] and fail.
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** You can bitch about the "Alan wrote it that way" explanation all you want, but that doesn't make it any less invalid, especially considering ''he did write it that way''.

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** You can bitch about the "Alan wrote it that way" explanation all you want, but that doesn't make it any less invalid, valid, especially considering ''he did write it that way''.
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* After Alan escapes from the police and is chased by them, he runs for quite a while through the forest, unarmed and helpless, and, sure enough, not a single Taken takes interest in him, even if in the background the Dark Presence is gorging itself on the deputies. Once he finds weapons however, the bastards are right on the spot. Any in-game reasons for that (and if you say "because Alan wrote it that way", I'm going to hit you)?

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* After Alan escapes from the police and is chased by them, he runs for quite a while through the forest, unarmed and helpless, and, sure enough, not a single Taken takes interest in him, even if in the background the Dark Presence is gorging itself on the deputies. Once he finds weapons however, the bastards are right on the spot. Any in-game reasons for that (and if you say "because Alan wrote it that way", I'm going to hit you)?you)?
** You can bitch about the "Alan wrote it that way" explanation all you want, but that doesn't make it any less invalid, especially considering ''he did write it that way''.
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** Perhaps the other, lesser weird stuff is just the result of other, less talented artists being exploited by the Dark Presence. Without Wake or Zane's ability, they can't create an entire world, but they can create a weird monster or short story.

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** Perhaps the other, lesser weird stuff is just the result of other, less talented artists being exploited by the Dark Presence. Without Wake or Zane's ability, they can't create an entire world, but they can create a weird monster or short story.story.
* After Alan escapes from the police and is chased by them, he runs for quite a while through the forest, unarmed and helpless, and, sure enough, not a single Taken takes interest in him, even if in the background the Dark Presence is gorging itself on the deputies. Once he finds weapons however, the bastards are right on the spot. Any in-game reasons for that (and if you say "because Alan wrote it that way", I'm going to hit you)?
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*** [[Film/TronLegacy ....yeah?]] They state this explicitly in the game. It's kind of fucking hard to miss, considering Alan says, over and over again, that Cauldron Lake brings the works of art created around it to life. I'm not sure how you didn't get this, considering it's kinda-sorta a critical plot point, as that's how come Zane no longer exists except in the Dark Place, how the Dark Presence was trapped in Jagger's form, and how the clicker is the weapon that defeats the Presence.

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*** [[Film/TronLegacy ....yeah?]] They state this explicitly in the game. It's kind of fucking hard to miss, considering Alan says, over and over again, that Cauldron Lake brings the works of art created around it to life. I'm not sure how you didn't get this, considering it's kinda-sorta a critical plot point, as that's how come Zane no longer exists except in the Dark Place, how the Dark Presence was trapped in Jagger's form, and how the clicker is the weapon that defeats the Presence.
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*** [[TronLegacy ....yeah?]] They state this explicitly in the game. It's kind of fucking hard to miss, considering Alan says, over and over again, that Cauldron Lake brings the works of art created around it to life. I'm not sure how you didn't get this, considering it's kinda-sorta a critical plot point, as that's how come Zane no longer exists except in the Dark Place, how the Dark Presence was trapped in Jagger's form, and how the clicker is the weapon that defeats the Presence.

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*** [[TronLegacy ....[[Film/TronLegacy ....yeah?]] They state this explicitly in the game. It's kind of fucking hard to miss, considering Alan says, over and over again, that Cauldron Lake brings the works of art created around it to life. I'm not sure how you didn't get this, considering it's kinda-sorta a critical plot point, as that's how come Zane no longer exists except in the Dark Place, how the Dark Presence was trapped in Jagger's form, and how the clicker is the weapon that defeats the Presence.

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