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* In Payday2, the last day of the Big Oil mission is practically impossible without reading a FAQ first. You reach a basement full of similar machines, and you have to determine which one is a working fusion engine based on what's scribbled on some chalkboards, computer monitors, and very small notepads in the room. And if your texture settings are too low, they're unreadable. TrialAndError gameplay usually doesn't work - there are dozens of possibilities, you move at a snail's pace while carrying them, you can only try one at a time, huge numbers of enemies come at you in an area with little cover if you didn't do a perfect stealth run, and the game won't let you finish the mission until you find the right one, even though other missions allow for incomplete successes.

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* In Payday2, ''In VideoGame/Payday2'', the last day of the Big Oil mission is practically impossible without reading a FAQ first. You reach a basement full of similar machines, and you have to determine which one is a working fusion engine based on what's scribbled on some chalkboards, computer monitors, and very small notepads in the room. And if your texture settings are too low, they're unreadable. TrialAndError gameplay usually doesn't work - there are dozens of possibilities, you move at a snail's pace while carrying them, you can only try one at a time, huge numbers of enemies come at you in an area with little cover if you didn't do a perfect stealth run, and the game won't let you finish the mission until you find the right one, even though other missions allow for incomplete successes.
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* In Payday2, the last day of the Big Oil mission is practically impossible without reading a FAQ first. You reach a basement full of similar machines, and you have to determine which one is a working fusion engine based on what's scribbled on some chalkboards, computer monitors, and very small notepads in the room. And if your texture settings are too low, they're unreadable. TrialAndError gameplay usually doesn't work - there are dozens of possibilities, you move at a snail's pace while carrying them, you can only try one at a time, huge numbers of enemies come at you in an area with little cover if you didn't do a perfect stealth run, and the game won't let you finish the mission until you find the right one, even though other missions allow for incomplete successes.
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** The manual linked on Steam is an owning and operating manual for a sentry...

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** The manual manual, also linked on Steam Steam, is an owning and operating manual for a sentry...
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** Fortunately, they're ''also'' highly susceptible to CarFu...
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* ''VideoGame/{{Half-Life 2}}: Episode Two'' gives us the Hunter. It is ''very'' resilient to damage from most types of weapons, but has a crippling weakness to stuff launched by your gravity gun. The game never even hints at this, which is rather jarring considering how good Valve normally is at guiding the player towards these kind of discoveries; possibly, they assumed the player would just naturally try to fight it with the Gravity Gun [[WreakingHavoc for the sake of trying to fight it with the Gravity Gun]]. It doesn't help that the finale of the game requires you to kill them in droves during a BossRush.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Half-Life 2}}: Episode Two'' gives us the Hunter. It is ''very'' resilient to damage from most types of weapons, but has a crippling weakness to stuff launched by your gravity gun. The game never even hints at this, which is rather jarring considering how good Valve normally is at guiding the player towards these kind of discoveries; possibly, they assumed the player would just naturally try to fight it with the Gravity Gun [[WreakingHavoc [[WreakingHavok for the sake of trying to fight it with the Gravity Gun]]. It doesn't help that the finale of the game requires you to kill them in droves during a BossRush.
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** Finally, there's headmistress Helga herself. Shoot her, and she simply cartwheels away. Disc her, and she just flops on her back and insults her. Neither does any damage whatsoever. How, HOW do you kill her? Answer: '''You don't.''' Just disc her until she's as far back as she can go, shoot her to get her in front of the chair, and disc her one more time. This will knock her into the chair and reveal her...or rather his...true form, which can be killed. [[MarathonBoss Hope you're not low on tokens at this point.]]

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** Finally, there's headmistress Helga herself. Shoot her, and she simply cartwheels away. Disc her, and she just flops on her back and insults her.you. Neither does any damage whatsoever. How, HOW do you kill her? Answer: '''You don't.''' Just disc her until she's as far back as she can go, shoot her to get her in front of the chair, and disc her one more time. This will knock her into the chair and reveal her...or rather his...true form, which can be killed. [[MarathonBoss Hope you're not low on tokens at this point.]]
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** About midway through is a scientist who hides behind a table and throws grenades at you. Only his arm is exposed (which you can't hit). The only way to take him out is to shoot the extremely inconspicuous chains holding up the extremely inconspicuous sign; the last piece will club him unconscious.
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** Finally, there's headmistress Helga herself. Shoot her, and she simply cartwheels away. Disc her, and she just flops on her back and insults her. Neither does any damage whatseover. How, HOW do you kill her? Answer: '''You don't.''' Just disc her until she's as far back as she can go, shoot her to get her in front of the chair, and disc her one more time. This will knock her into the chair and reveal her...or rather his...true form, which can be killed. [[MarathonBoss Hope you're not low on tokens at this point.]]

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** Finally, there's headmistress Helga herself. Shoot her, and she simply cartwheels away. Disc her, and she just flops on her back and insults her. Neither does any damage whatseover.whatsoever. How, HOW do you kill her? Answer: '''You don't.''' Just disc her until she's as far back as she can go, shoot her to get her in front of the chair, and disc her one more time. This will knock her into the chair and reveal her...or rather his...true form, which can be killed. [[MarathonBoss Hope you're not low on tokens at this point.]]
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** Finally, there's headmistress Helga herself. Shoot her, and she simply cartwheels away. Disc her, and she just flops on her back and insults her. Neither does any damage whatseover. How, HOW do you kill her? Answer: '''You don't.''' Just disc her until she's as far back as she can go, shoot her to get her in front of the chair, and disc her one more time. This will knock her into the chair and reveal her...or rather his...true form, which can be killed. [[MarathonBossBattle Hope you're not low on tokens at this point.]]

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** Finally, there's headmistress Helga herself. Shoot her, and she simply cartwheels away. Disc her, and she just flops on her back and insults her. Neither does any damage whatseover. How, HOW do you kill her? Answer: '''You don't.''' Just disc her until she's as far back as she can go, shoot her to get her in front of the chair, and disc her one more time. This will knock her into the chair and reveal her...or rather his...true form, which can be killed. [[MarathonBossBattle [[MarathonBoss Hope you're not low on tokens at this point.]]

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** The helicopter in the second stage causes problems for a lot of rookies, especially since there doesn't seem to be any way to destroy it. Here's the deal: Before the battle at the very end, you cannot damage it ''at all''. The best you can do is shoot down its missiles; you're going to take a beating from its guns no matter what (thankfully there are plenty of power shakes in the level to offset this). When you face it at the end, then it will take damage...however, you must target the guns and missile launchers ''directly'. (Pounding the middle will damage bits of it but not destroy it.) Then you have to take out the mounts, either by targeting them or the bottom of the chopper, and then the bottom of the chopper, and finally the missile launcher on the very bottom. Anything else and you die a slow death.




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** Finally, there's headmistress Helga herself. Shoot her, and she simply cartwheels away. Disc her, and she just flops on her back and insults her. Neither does any damage whatseover. How, HOW do you kill her? Answer: '''You don't.''' Just disc her until she's as far back as she can go, shoot her to get her in front of the chair, and disc her one more time. This will knock her into the chair and reveal her...or rather his...true form, which can be killed. [[MarathonBossBattle Hope you're not low on tokens at this point.]]
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* Revolution X. ''All of it.''
** First, the big one, finding the five hidden band member locations to "earn" the Aerosmith wings. There's one each on the Amazon, Middle East, and Pacific Rim stages. The Amazon one requires you to take an elevator (be sure to hit the button in time!), go to the third floor, which has five hostages, and blow up the grating above them before you're forced back to the elevator. The Middle East requires you to throw a disc at the nose of a sphynx...not the eyes, not the cheeks, not the mouth or forehead or beard, it has to be the ''nose''...then pick up the disk that emerges from its open mouth. You have maybe four seconds to do this, and then you gotta do it ''two more times''. (Did I mention you're in a raging battle against a heavily-armed bus at the time?) The Pacific Rim one requires you to blow up a specific crate and grab the item that emerges before it's scrolled off about two seconds later, and you have ''one'' crack at this.
** So what about the other two? Well, guess what, they're on the ''very first stage''! First you have to watch the direction the screen scrolls in the initial rooftop battle, then, once you're inside the club, head in that direction and ''enter the restroom'' (by shooting the sign); you'll find him in one of the stalls. And yes, half the time it's the women's restroom. The second is accessed via the lounge; you must traverse the row just behind the furthest front, then blow up the two fishes and the window below them ''in that order''.
** Also in the first stage, there's an armored truck that can do pretty heavy damage unless you destroy it quickly. Trouble is, your weapons can't pull that off. What can, however, is the hidden smart bomb accessible by disc-ing the boared-up window, which will take out everything except the missile launcher. Blow that and the truck is history.
** In the Amazon stage, if you kill ALL the Everdrones in a wall, you get access to a hidden area with lots of discs and a few hostages. If you destroy the Everdrone-o-matic, this leads to another secret area. Trouble is, you need a ''lot'' of discs to accomplish either, so you'd better have saved up plenty beforehand.
** Oh, yeah, you know the final boss? That mutated insect thing that chases you all the way to the start of the level and fights you on the bridge? Remember how players kept pounding and pounding and pounding it and it just wouldn't die? How on earth do you kill it? Answer: You don't. Destroy the bridge supports on either the near or far side of the bridge, and this nuisance will be out of your hair for good.
** The Middle East stage begins in a prison compound, with various hostages that don't give any telltale flash no matter where you shoot. What you have to do is hit the point where their sledgehammer hits the guitar at the ''exact moment'' it does so. Yeah, that probably should be worth more than 10,000 points, huh?
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* ''[[VideoGame/HalfLife2 Half Life 2: Episode 2]]'' gives us the Hunter. It is ''very'' resilient to damage from most types of weapons, but has a crippling weakness to stuff launched by your gravity gun. The game never even hints at this, which is rather jarring considering how good Valve normally is at guiding the player towards these kind of discoveries. It doesn't help that the finale of the game requires you to kill them in droves during a BossRush.

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* ''[[VideoGame/HalfLife2 Half Life 2: ''VideoGame/{{Half-Life 2}}: Episode 2]]'' Two'' gives us the Hunter. It is ''very'' resilient to damage from most types of weapons, but has a crippling weakness to stuff launched by your gravity gun. The game never even hints at this, which is rather jarring considering how good Valve normally is at guiding the player towards these kind of discoveries.discoveries; possibly, they assumed the player would just naturally try to fight it with the Gravity Gun [[WreakingHavoc for the sake of trying to fight it with the Gravity Gun]]. It doesn't help that the finale of the game requires you to kill them in droves during a BossRush.
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* ''Left4Dead'' and its sequel when it comes to playing as the zombies in VS mode. Newbies are shown the controls, but are rarely told how to actually use the special infected properly. Hunters can do a lot of damage to a survivor but experienced players know that Hunters are better in picking off a lone survivor or a survivor that is distracted while a newbie may try to pull a LeeroyJenkins and pounce right away regardless on who is nearby. Boomers are made to cause surprise attacks by popping out of cover and puking, but newbies aren't exactly told this and may make the mistake of rushing at the survivors in the open, not realizing the Boomer can die in a single bullet.

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* ''Left4Dead'' ''VideoGame/Left4Dead'' and [[VideoGame/Left4Dead2 its sequel sequel]] when it comes to playing as the zombies in VS mode. Newbies are shown the controls, but are rarely told how to actually use the special infected properly. Hunters can do a lot of damage to a survivor but experienced players know that Hunters are better in picking off a lone survivor or a survivor that is distracted while a newbie may try to pull a LeeroyJenkins and pounce right away regardless on who is nearby. Boomers are made to cause surprise attacks by popping out of cover and puking, but newbies aren't exactly told this and may make the mistake of rushing at the survivors in the open, not realizing the Boomer can die in a single bullet.
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** This game isn't quite so bad as most though because unlike most later FPSen, it includes a map (possible thanks to the 2D level design), which shows doors, and can be upgraded with a powerup to show unexplored areas as well.

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** This game isn't quite so bad as most though because unlike most later FPSen, [=FPSen=], it includes a map (possible thanks to the 2D level design), which shows doors, and can be upgraded with a powerup to show unexplored areas as well.
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** This game isn't quite so bad as most though because unlike most later FPSen, it includes a map (possible thanks to the 2D level design), which shows doors, and can be upgraded with a powerup to show unexplored areas as well.
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* ''MetroidPrime''. Artifact of Spirit. The game tells you to seek the unseen entrance at the top of a certain room. The entrance you want is actually two or three platforms down in the room, hidden behind a completely normal square of wall. However, at the top is a Morph Ball tunnel that leads to a Power Bomb expansion. Combined with the misleading hint, this makes the hidden door way too hard to find. Just to add to that, the X-Ray Visor (which is what most people will think of when they hear 'unseen entrance') doesn't work well for seeing the hidden door.

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* ''MetroidPrime''. ''MetroidPrime'''s Artifact of Spirit. The game tells you to seek the unseen entrance at the top of a certain room. The entrance you want is actually two or three platforms down in the room, hidden behind a completely normal square of wall. However, at the top is a Morph Ball tunnel that leads to a Power Bomb expansion. Combined with the misleading hint, this makes the hidden door way too hard to find. Just to add to that, the X-Ray Visor (which is what most people will think of when they hear 'unseen entrance') doesn't work well for seeing the hidden door.



* ''Metroid Prime 2: Echoes'' and the Sky Temple Key collection. It's like the Chozo Artifacts, but even more irritating. You will occasionally find blue-clothed Luminoth corpses in Light Aether whose scan data contains a log of their final moments. When you find one of these, you go to the corresponding room in Dark Aether, equip the Dark Visor, and look for an enemy called a Flying Ing Cache. Destroying the Flying Ing Cache will drop the key. Now for the problems: You don't get the Dark Visor until two-thirds of the way through the game, so by that point you've probably forgotten about the Luminoth scans. Several of the Flying Ing Caches are in rooms infested with [[BeefGate the Ingstorm]], so you can't even access those until you get the Light Suit. And putting the whole puzzle together is a ''hellish'' leap of logic, even after finding all the clues.

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* ''Metroid Prime 2: Echoes'' and the Sky Temple Key collection. It's like the Chozo Artifacts, but even more irritating. You will occasionally find blue-clothed Luminoth corpses in Light on Aether whose scan data contains a log of their final moments. When you find one of these, you go to the corresponding room in on Dark Aether, equip the Dark Visor, and look for an enemy called a Flying Ing Cache. Destroying Cache, which drops the Flying Ing Cache will drop the key. key when destroyed. Now for the problems: You don't even get the Dark Visor until two-thirds of the way through the game, so by that point you've probably forgotten about the Luminoth scans. Several scans; several of the Flying Ing Caches are in rooms infested with [[BeefGate the Ingstorm]], so you can't even access those until you get the Light Suit. And putting Suit, and almost all of the whole puzzle together is a ''hellish'' leap Flying Ing Caches are secreted off in distant corners of logic, the rooms they're found in, sometimes even after finding all the clues. in places that don't exist on Aether.
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* ''[[VideoGame/HalfLife2 Half Life 2: Episode 2]]'' gives us the Hunter. It is ''very'' resilient to damage from most types of weapons, but has a crippling weakness to stuff launched by your gravity gun. The game never even hints at this, which is rather jarring considering how good Valve normally is at guiding the player towards these kind of discoveries. It doesn't help that the finale of the game requires you to kill them in droves during a BossRush.
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** The game recently added a tutorial, though it's less of a "How To Do This" and more of a "Do This"

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** The game recently added a tutorial, tutorials in an update, though it's they're less of a "How To Do This" and more of a "Do This"



** They also recently made ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' wiki their official, Valve-sponsored (no more ads) wiki, so you can consider that the manual.

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** They also recently made the ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' wiki their official, Valve-sponsored (no more ads) wiki, so you can consider that the a manual.
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* ''Metroid Prime 2: Echoes'' and the Sky Temple Key collection. It's like the Chozo Artifacts, but even more irritating. You will occasionally find Luminoth corpses in Light Aether whose scan data contains a log of their final moments. When you find one of these, you go to the corresponding room in Dark Aether, equip the Dark Visor, and look for an enemy called a Flying Ing Cache. Destroying the Flying Ing Cache will drop the key. Now for the problems: You don't get the Dark Visor until two-thirds of the way through the game, so by that point you've probably forgotten about the Luminoth scans. Several of the Flying Ing Caches are in rooms infested with [[BeefGate the Ingstorm]], so you can't even access those until you get the Light Suit. And putting the whole puzzle together is a ''hellish'' leap of logic, even after finding all the clues.

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* ''Metroid Prime 2: Echoes'' and the Sky Temple Key collection. It's like the Chozo Artifacts, but even more irritating. You will occasionally find blue-clothed Luminoth corpses in Light Aether whose scan data contains a log of their final moments. When you find one of these, you go to the corresponding room in Dark Aether, equip the Dark Visor, and look for an enemy called a Flying Ing Cache. Destroying the Flying Ing Cache will drop the key. Now for the problems: You don't get the Dark Visor until two-thirds of the way through the game, so by that point you've probably forgotten about the Luminoth scans. Several of the Flying Ing Caches are in rooms infested with [[BeefGate the Ingstorm]], so you can't even access those until you get the Light Suit. And putting the whole puzzle together is a ''hellish'' leap of logic, even after finding all the clues.
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* ''Metroid Prime 2: Echoes'' and the Sky Temple Key collection. It's like the Chozo Artifacts, but even more irritating. You will occasionally find Luminoth corpses in Light Aether whose scan data contains a log of their final moments. When you find one of these, you go to the corresponding room in Dark Aether, equip the Dark Visor, and look for an enemy called a Flying Ing Cache. Destroying the Flying Ing Cache will drop the key. Do this nine times.

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* ''Metroid Prime 2: Echoes'' and the Sky Temple Key collection. It's like the Chozo Artifacts, but even more irritating. You will occasionally find Luminoth corpses in Light Aether whose scan data contains a log of their final moments. When you find one of these, you go to the corresponding room in Dark Aether, equip the Dark Visor, and look for an enemy called a Flying Ing Cache. Destroying the Flying Ing Cache will drop the key. Do this nine times.Now for the problems: You don't get the Dark Visor until two-thirds of the way through the game, so by that point you've probably forgotten about the Luminoth scans. Several of the Flying Ing Caches are in rooms infested with [[BeefGate the Ingstorm]], so you can't even access those until you get the Light Suit. And putting the whole puzzle together is a ''hellish'' leap of logic, even after finding all the clues.
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** There was one particular puzzle in Jedi Knight 2 where you had to power down a fatal force-field in a room to use a transit system, however the only way to find the power switch for the force field was to stand on a random balcony and look down, a pipe comes out of the wall at random intervals so if you look down at the wrong time you can't see it, once the pipe comes out you needed to jump on it, enter the wall and destroy the power source for the force-field.
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* ''Metroid Prime 2: Echoes'' and the Sky Temple Key collection. It's like the Chozo Artifacts, but even more irritating. You will occasionally find Luminoth corpses in Light Aether whose scan data contains a log of their final moments. When you find one of these, you go to the corresponding room in Dark Aether, equip the Dark Visor, and look for an enemy called a Flying Ing Cache. Destroying the Flying Ing Cache will drop the key. Do this nine times.
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* ''MetroidPrime''. Artifact of Spirit. The game tells you to seek the unseen entrance at the top of a certain room. The entrance you want is actually two or three platforms down in the room, hidden behind a square of wall. However, at the top is a hidden Morph Ball tunnel, that leads to a Power Bomb expansion. Combined with the misleading hint, this makes the hidden door way too easy to miss, and it doesn't help that you can only see the hidden door with the Thermal Visor equipped.
** There's a Morph Ball tunnel to an expansion which is hidden behind a bush in "Training Chamber Access". A perfectly ordinary bush, which you have passed dozens of. No indication that there's a passage behind it whatsoever. If you're trying to get 100% completion, there is virtually no chance that you will find it unless you've taken to checking every single wall in the game very closely, or you habitually roll around in the Morph Ball and just happened to hit that one bush.

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* ''MetroidPrime''. Artifact of Spirit. The game tells you to seek the unseen entrance at the top of a certain room. The entrance you want is actually two or three platforms down in the room, hidden behind a completely normal square of wall. However, at the top is a hidden Morph Ball tunnel, tunnel that leads to a Power Bomb expansion. Combined with the misleading hint, this makes the hidden door way too easy hard to miss, and it find. Just to add to that, the X-Ray Visor (which is what most people will think of when they hear 'unseen entrance') doesn't help that you can only see work well for seeing the hidden door with the Thermal Visor equipped.
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** There's a Morph Ball tunnel to an expansion which is hidden behind a bush in "Training Chamber Access". A perfectly ordinary bush, which you have passed dozens of. No indication that there's kinks on the map, no scan data, nothing indicating a passage path behind it whatsoever. If you're trying to get 100% completion, there is virtually no chance that you will find it unless you've taken to checking every single wall in the game very closely, or you habitually roll around in the Morph Ball and just happened to hit that one bush.
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* ''Left4Dead'' and its sequel when it comes to playing as the zombies in VS mode. Newbies are shown the controls, but are rarely told how to actually use the special infected properly. Hunters can do a lot of damage to a survivor but experienced players know that Hunters are better in picking off a lone survivor or a survivor that is distracted while a newbie may try to pull a LeeroyJenkins and pounce right away regardless on who is nearby. Boomers are made to cause surprise attacks by popping out of cover and puking, but newbies aren't exactly told this and may make the mistake of rushing at the survivors in the open, not realizing the Boomer can die in a single bullet.

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** And as of 2012, www.martianbuddy.com isn't even online any more. Luckily the code is still available in FAQ's (and the page itself can be found in the WaybackMachine.)



* Either a Guide Dang It or a fond memory, the loot in ThiefTheDarkProject and its sequel could be fiendishly hard to find. For example, in the first mission of the second game, there are three coins hidden on a trompe l'oeil ledge in a stairway. You can't see the ledge moving up the stairway, and unless you have ninja eyes, you won't glimpse it coming down either, since the staircase is dark. The only way to get them is to move halfway up, stop midway, and turn around.

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* Either a Guide Dang It or a fond memory, the loot in ThiefTheDarkProject ''ThiefTheDarkProject'' and its sequel could be fiendishly hard to find. For example, in the first mission of the second game, there are three coins hidden on a trompe l'oeil ledge in a stairway. You can't see the ledge moving up the stairway, and unless you have ninja eyes, you won't glimpse it coming down either, since the staircase is dark. The only way to get them is to move halfway up, stop midway, and turn around.
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* ''MetroidPrime''. Artifact of Spirit. [[BlatantLies Seek the unseen entrance at the top.]] First of all, it's two platforms down from the top. Second, this hints at the X-ray visor; the Thermal Visor is much more effective. [[spoiler:There's a secret door hidden behind a square of wall. No scan icon, no markings on the map, nothing.]]

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* ''MetroidPrime''. Artifact of Spirit. [[BlatantLies Seek The game tells you to seek the unseen entrance at the top.]] First top of all, it's a certain room. The entrance you want is actually two or three platforms down from in the top. Second, this hints at the X-ray visor; the Thermal Visor is much more effective. [[spoiler:There's a secret door room, hidden behind a square of wall. No scan icon, no markings on However, at the map, nothing.]]top is a hidden Morph Ball tunnel, that leads to a Power Bomb expansion. Combined with the misleading hint, this makes the hidden door way too easy to miss, and it doesn't help that you can only see the hidden door with the Thermal Visor equipped.
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* In ''{{Doom}} 3'', there are two special storage cabinets sent from a company called "Martian Buddy" that contain free stuff for personnel, and the codes to them are nowhere in the game. To find the code, ''you actually have to go to the website www.martianbuddy.com''. One of these allows you to obtain the chaingun early, big help for clearing out the DemonicSpiders at the end of Alpha Labs Sector 2 on higher difficulty levels.

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* In ''{{Doom}} ''VideoGame/{{Doom}} 3'', there are two special storage cabinets sent from a company called "Martian Buddy" that contain free stuff for personnel, and the codes to them are nowhere in the game. To find the code, ''you actually have to go to the website www.martianbuddy.com''. One of these allows you to obtain the chaingun early, big help for clearing out the DemonicSpiders at the end of Alpha Labs Sector 2 on higher difficulty levels.



* ''{{Doom}} II'' has map 19, "The Citadel". In order to find a necessary key, you have to open a specific discolored wall in a generic corridor. Yep, you need to find a well-hidden secret area to finish the level.

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* ''{{Doom}} ''VideoGame/{{Doom}} II'' has map 19, "The Citadel". In order to find a necessary key, you have to open a specific discolored wall in a generic corridor. Yep, you need to find a well-hidden secret area to finish the level.



* The first two ''{{VideoGame/Turok}}'' games had a strong tendency towards this sort of thing, since the keys required to access later levels were often hidden ridiculously well. The Chronosceptre fragment on the third level of the original is a case in point; after a very difficult jumping section, the player has to climb down a series of platforms that don't appear to go anywhere and make a jump to an area they can barely see.

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* The first two ''{{VideoGame/Turok}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Turok}}'' games had a strong tendency towards this sort of thing, since the keys required to access later levels were often hidden ridiculously well. The Chronosceptre fragment on the third level of the original is a case in point; after a very difficult jumping section, the player has to climb down a series of platforms that don't appear to go anywhere and make a jump to an area they can barely see.
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* Either a Guide Dang It or a [[YourMileageMayVary fond memory]], the loot in ThiefTheDarkProject and its sequel could be fiendishly hard to find. For example, in the first mission of the second game, there are three coins hidden on a trompe l'oeil ledge in a stairway. You can't see the ledge moving up the stairway, and unless you have ninja eyes, you won't glimpse it coming down either, since the staircase is dark. The only way to get them is to move halfway up, stop midway, and turn around.

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* Either a Guide Dang It or a [[YourMileageMayVary fond memory]], memory, the loot in ThiefTheDarkProject and its sequel could be fiendishly hard to find. For example, in the first mission of the second game, there are three coins hidden on a trompe l'oeil ledge in a stairway. You can't see the ledge moving up the stairway, and unless you have ninja eyes, you won't glimpse it coming down either, since the staircase is dark. The only way to get them is to move halfway up, stop midway, and turn around.
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* ''VideoGame/DeusExInvisibleWar''. The special weapons. Most are in out of the way areas you wouldn't otherwise think about, including a sewer, the bedroom of an apartment dweller, under some junk in an antique store, and a utility hallway. The worst though, is the [[spoiler: Hellfire Boltcaster]], which is hidden in a small room only accessible by jumping over to a small ledge in an area you don't have much inclination to be in anyway (it frigging off one faction to the point of sending assassins if you complete the objective there.)
* Either a Guide Dang It or a [[YourMileageMayVary fond memory]], the loot in ThiefTheDarkProject and its sequel could be fiendishly hard to find. For example, in the first mission of the second game, there are three coins hidden on a trompe l'oeil ledge in a stairway. You can't see the ledge moving up the stairway, and unless you have ninja eyes, you won't glimpse it coming down either, since the staircase is dark. The only way to get them is to move halfway up, stop midway, and turn around.
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* ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2''. Try buying the game by itself...a ''hardcopy''. Then tell me what you get as a manual. That's right...it doesn't even tell you ''how'' to play the game!
** The manual linked on Steam is an owning and operating manual for a sentry...
** The game recently added a tutorial, though it's less of a "How To Do This" and more of a "Do This"
*** Not to mention the tutorial videos, which shows you the ropes of specific game modes once you join a server for the first time.
** They also recently made ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' wiki their official, Valve-sponsored (no more ads) wiki, so you can consider that the manual.
** The game has generic FPS controls, which can be referenced and changed through the options. If you have ever touched an FPS, you should know how to do everything except call for a Medic.
*** And if you haven't, it's a GuideDangIt. Especially if it's your first video game.
*** Originally, it was impossible to buy Team Fortress 2 as a separate product and it used the same controls as the games that it was bundled with, so there was a guide originally. It doesn't change the fact the controls could always be referenced in game.
* Near the end of ''PathwaysIntoDarkness'', there's a [[TheMaze teleporter maze]], where all the rooms look exactly the same, square with a teleporter on each wall. There is nothing in the frickin' game that remotely hints at the path. Many other Guide Dang Its were also present, including the bomb code if you don't have the manual, the [[LockedInAFreezer suffocation room]]; hint:[[spoiler:use an item that speeds up time]], the gauntlet of [[InvincibleMinorMinion invincible green Oozes]] (a soldier who died from snakebite hints that they avoided him while devouring his teammates), the Violet Crystal(which is at the center of the randomly-generated Labyrinth), and opening the exit door, for which you needed to take the health-draining ArtifactOfDoom out of its box.
* Even the official ''{{Halo 3}}'' strategy guide won't tell you how to get the Skulls (at the behest of Bungie). While most of the Skulls are just inconvenient to track down, the "IWHBYD Skull" requires jumping through glowing rings in an order that plays the ''{{Halo}}'' theme, which is hinted at ''nowhere'' in the game, and then going back to [[spoiler:the body of Truth]].
** It was actually first found out ''by cracking open the game code'' by some tech-savvy person.
** The IWHBYD skull in ''{{Halo 2}}'' is a guide-dang-it to get as well.
* Because of SturgeonsLaw, {{Game Mod}}s can sometimes suffer from this. One example is ''Eternal VideoGame/{{Doom}}'' [=MAP20=]: Silures, a puzzle level, which has a spectacular Guide Dang It moment near the end: To open the path leading to the exit, [[spoiler:you must activate a specific tree like a switch, with no indication that this is even possible]].
** This is also true of the otherwise-excellent ''Alien Vendetta''. On the ''first map'', no less.
* In ''{{Doom}} 3'', there are two special storage cabinets sent from a company called "Martian Buddy" that contain free stuff for personnel, and the codes to them are nowhere in the game. To find the code, ''you actually have to go to the website www.martianbuddy.com''. One of these allows you to obtain the chaingun early, big help for clearing out the DemonicSpiders at the end of Alpha Labs Sector 2 on higher difficulty levels.
** Of course, it doesn't help that id's games are notoriously resistant to Alt-Tabbing, meaning it becomes necessary to actually shut the game down in order to get the code.
** Not so much of a problem if you bought the game on Steam. At least there you can bring up the Steam overlay and use that to visit external web sites... except then you have to put up with the overlay trying to kill itself every five seconds, which might end up with it refusing to come up at all and the player having to shut the game down anyway.
*** This is made rather bearable because it's a fairly mild example. Unlike some examples which are virtually impossible to know about even WITH help, you CAN indeed find the answer out on your own (and- relative to this trope- fairly easily) by brute-forcing the lock (entering in every combination possible until you get the right one). Which still rather sucks because you are stuck manually going through exactly 10,000 possibilities in a ParanoiaFuel-rich environment, but it isn't as bad all things considered. It helps a lot that [[spoiler: If you manipulate the numbers one-by-one, go from lowest to highest, and change numbers from right to left before changing the one on the far left- [[DamnYouMuscleMemory which is rather counterintuitive since you enter the numbers from left-to-right]], it is # 304. Or 0508 to give the answer away as a reward to those who have been this far to appreciate my suffering. Don't tell.]] Needless to say, I hope you have fast, precise fingers and a LOT of patience. That this is a fairly EASY example (as you actually CAN open it without special preparation beforehand and get plenty of chances) should tell you [[NintendoHard something about this trope.]]
* ''MetroidPrime''. Artifact of Spirit. [[BlatantLies Seek the unseen entrance at the top.]] First of all, it's two platforms down from the top. Second, this hints at the X-ray visor; the Thermal Visor is much more effective. [[spoiler:There's a secret door hidden behind a square of wall. No scan icon, no markings on the map, nothing.]]
** There's a Morph Ball tunnel to an expansion which is hidden behind a bush in "Training Chamber Access". A perfectly ordinary bush, which you have passed dozens of. No indication that there's a passage behind it whatsoever. If you're trying to get 100% completion, there is virtually no chance that you will find it unless you've taken to checking every single wall in the game very closely, or you habitually roll around in the Morph Ball and just happened to hit that one bush.
* Also, the mining cannon in ''Metroid Prime 3: Corruption'', which alternated between a mining laser and a vacuum beam while Space Pirates dropped in and tried to kill you. The cutscene did show the laser alternating between two modes (where the only difference that could be seen was between green and purple beams, big deal), but how was anyone supposed to know to [[spoiler:wait for the beam to switch over to "purple mode" (the vacuum) before killing the last Space Pirate?]]
* The ''VideoGame/{{Marathon}}'' series had some obscure secrets, but in the original, if you wanted to get the Flamethrower at an early level, you had to walk into a random corner of a maze to activate an invisible, soundless trigger to lower an elevator, sprint back to the starting point, fall down the shaft, grab the flamethrower and sprint back to the elevator before it reset. Failure to do so will trap you in the hole, with a terminal that says nothing more than 'And here you are, stuck in a hole. We could have done a lot together!'.
** One of the most ridiculously difficult secrets of all time was the Deprivation Chamber, where you had to open an unmarked secret door, jump down a shaft,perform an amazingly complex [[RocketJump Grenade Jumping]] maneuver to get up the shaft to a teleporter, and find your way through a completely-unhinted-at teleporter maze to find a secret terminal message.
* ''VideoGame/GoldenEye1997'' falls under this in the Egyptian level. One of your objectives is to retrieve the Golden Gun. However, if you try approaching it directly, bullet proof glass seals it and indestructible gun turrets appear and tear you to shreds. The solution? You're supposed to walk across the floor in a certain path in order to get the gun without setting off the trap. The kicker? ''There is nothing in the game that even remotely hints at the solution''! Even if you were to do the All Guns cheat and complete the other objective, you still need to go and collect the Golden Gun.
* Getting access to many of the secret areas from ''{{Painkiller}}'' is a Guide Dang It moment. Requiring taking a LeapOfFaith or exploiting the jump physics to reach otherwise unreachable areas, with the game not giving you any hints about where and when to do either to reach a secret area. Most times its better to leave well enough alone except to [[HundredPercentCompletion unlock the final difficulty]] requires earning [[PowerUp collectible card powerups]] for meeting specific requirements when completing a level. Some levels require either finding all secret areas, or looting the contents of said secret areas to meet the card requirements.
** To provide an example: One of the later levels in the game, ''City on Water'', specifically requires you to find all its secrets to get the card powerup, and the level itself has some of the most devious secrets in the entire game, including [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsN7_C6C-VQ rolling a specific barrel down to the starting point to reveal a jump pad and using it to jump up to the top of a tower]], [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huMUVtk-IH4 jumping over the water and doing a full turn to get inside a small alcove]], [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMY4oUsima8 and abusing jump physics to hop over the rooftops]].
* ''{{Doom}} II'' has map 19, "The Citadel". In order to find a necessary key, you have to open a specific discolored wall in a generic corridor. Yep, you need to find a well-hidden secret area to finish the level.
* ''[[VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga Star Wars: Jedi Knight]]''s ''II'' and ''III'' are almost always this--levels are huge and insanely complex, with inexperienced players inevitably doomed to suffer hours of running around in circles before finding out that a tiny button hidden behind a broken window or an inconspicuous console needs to be interacted with in order to continue.
* The first two ''{{VideoGame/Turok}}'' games had a strong tendency towards this sort of thing, since the keys required to access later levels were often hidden ridiculously well. The Chronosceptre fragment on the third level of the original is a case in point; after a very difficult jumping section, the player has to climb down a series of platforms that don't appear to go anywhere and make a jump to an area they can barely see.
* ''VideoGame/QuakeII'' has many secrets hidden behind nondescript walls that must be shot, with no hints whatsoever. A bane to those looking for the LastLousyPoint.
* ''OddworldStrangersWrath'': The very useful Sniper Wasps don't become available until about halfway through the game, but you can't use them at all unless you have the Binoculars, which [[LostForever can only be bought in the first town]] and didn't seem very important at the time.
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