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* There aren't really any "good guys" in ''WebVideo/SBIRust''. Most members aren't above attacking and killing people.
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* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue''. The default characterization seems to be 'incompetent jerk', with variations lying mostly in the type and degree of incompetence and/or {{jerkass}}ery.

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* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue''.''WebAnimation/RedVsBlue''. The default characterization seems to be 'incompetent jerk', with variations lying mostly in the type and degree of incompetence and/or {{jerkass}}ery.
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* The Tankmen and the enemy faction they're fighting against in ''WebAnimation/{{Tankmen}}'' hardly seem to be morally different, actively going into battle and shooting at each other, having casual conversations about it in the process. That said, both sides are capable of being nice when circumstances call for it, including the ending of Tankmen 1 where both sides decide to just watch [[Film/Titanic1997 Titanic]] together not soon after encountering each other in battle.

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* The online book ''Literature/ImperialDawn'' is centered around a war between those who support democracy, and those who are moving towards an arguably better new government system. Neither side is presented as wholly good nor bad.



* In ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfTaras'' the hero is a psychopathic, snarky teenage girl with a penchant for martial arts and mass slaughter, while the bad guys are scientists [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans who just want to make the world a better place]] and see her as a test subject for their horrific BioPunk Experiments.



* Comes up in ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'', and PlayedForDrama. What happens when you take two people who are supposed to be friends and colleagues and have circumstances beyond their control place them on opposite sides of a conflict like this? [[spoiler:Just ask Weiss and Blake. Weiss is the heiress of the Schnee Dust Company, and Blake is a former member of the White Fang terrorist group. Weiss and her family have been targeted by members of the White Fang for as long as she can remember, and it's also implied that [[AbusiveParents her ill-tempered father took his frustrations out on her]], but where Weiss is wrong is that her personal prejudices cross the boundaries onto ''all [[LittleBitBeastly Faunus]] in general''. While it is true that Blake was a member of the White Fang, she left because they began terrorising and killing innocent people, which she objected to. Despite this, she still feels compelled to defend their cause and their actions. Of the two, Blake is perhaps the more sympathetic, but Weiss remains a TragicBigot]].

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* Comes up in ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'', and PlayedForDrama. What happens when you take two people who are supposed to be friends and colleagues and have circumstances beyond their control place them on opposite sides of a conflict like this? [[spoiler:Just Just ask Weiss and Blake. Weiss is the heiress of the Schnee Dust Company, and Blake is a [[spoiler:a former member of the White Fang terrorist group. Weiss and her family have been targeted by members of the White Fang for as long as she can remember, and it's also implied that [[AbusiveParents her ill-tempered father took his frustrations out on her]], but where Weiss is wrong is that her personal prejudices cross the boundaries onto ''all [[LittleBitBeastly Faunus]] in general''. While it is true that Blake was a member of the White Fang, she left because they began terrorising and killing innocent people, which she objected to. Despite this, she still feels compelled to defend their cause and their actions. Of the two, Blake is perhaps the more sympathetic, but Weiss remains a TragicBigot]].



* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', almost none of the heroes and villains neatly fit the 'good' or 'bad' labels. Even the best heroes make questionable decisions and the worse ones like Shadow Stalker are needlessly violent and dangerous. Most of the villains care about their friends and family and do their best to avoid needlessly hurting bystanders, and VillainProtagonist Taylor spends the majority of her time actually trying trying to help people. The only really unambiguously evil characters are the Slaughterhouse Nine and the Endbringers, but even then [[spoiler: Bonesaw makes a HeelFaceTurn in the end and the Endbringers help in the fight against Scion.]]



* ''Series/CobraKai:'' While it was never {{black and white|morality}} to begin with, the initial grudge between Johnny and Daniel (who were the finalists in the tourney shown in Film/TheKarateKid) culminates in the realization that they're NotSoDifferent anymore.
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** The story's main overarching conflict at first averted this, being pretty much BlackAndWhiteMorality. However, later on the story becomes much more nuanced, with the villains being revealed to have sympathetic qualities and the BigGood having a shady past.

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** The story's main overarching conflict at first averted this, being pretty much BlackAndWhiteMorality. However, later on the story becomes much more nuanced, with the villains being revealed to have sympathetic qualities and the BigGood having a shady past.past, and morally complex characters like Raven Branwen (who is basically a {{Byronic|Hero}} AntiVillain).
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** The story's main overarching conflict at first averted this, being pretty much BlackAndWhiteMorality. However, later on the story becomes much more nuanced, with the villains being revealed to have sympathetic qualities and the BigGood having a shady past. The story could be considered more or less [[DownplayedTrope light grey vs dark grey]].

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** The story's main overarching conflict at first averted this, being pretty much BlackAndWhiteMorality. However, later on the story becomes much more nuanced, with the villains being revealed to have sympathetic qualities and the BigGood having a shady past. The story could be considered more or less [[DownplayedTrope light grey vs dark grey]].
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* ''WebAnimation/DeadFantasy''. Sort of. Creator/{{Montyoum}} always said right from the start that the series isn't about which side wins, or which is better, or which is good or bad, and that [[RuleOfCool everyone should just focus on the fighting]].

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* ''WebAnimation/DeadFantasy''. Sort of. Creator/{{Montyoum}} Creator/MontyOum always said right from the start that the series isn't about which side wins, or which is better, or which is good or bad, and that [[RuleOfCool everyone should just focus on the fighting]].
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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', almost none of the heroes and many of the villains neatly fit the 'good' or 'bad' labels. Even the best heroes make questionable decisions and the worse ones like Shadow Stalker are needlessly violent and dangerous. Most of the villains care about their friends and family and do their best to avoid needlessly hurting bystanders, and VillainProtagonist Taylor spends the majority of her time actually trying trying to help people. The only really unambiguously evil characters are the Slaughterhouse Nine and the Endbringers, but even then [[spoiler: Bonesaw makes a HeelFaceTurn in the end and the Endbringers help in the fight against Scion.]]

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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', almost none of the heroes and many of the villains neatly fit the 'good' or 'bad' labels. Even the best heroes make questionable decisions and the worse ones like Shadow Stalker are needlessly violent and dangerous. Most of the villains care about their friends and family and do their best to avoid needlessly hurting bystanders, and VillainProtagonist Taylor spends the majority of her time actually trying trying to help people. The only really unambiguously evil characters are the Slaughterhouse Nine and the Endbringers, but even then [[spoiler: Bonesaw makes a HeelFaceTurn in the end and the Endbringers help in the fight against Scion.]]
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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', almost none of the heroes and many of the villains don't neatly fit the 'good' or 'bad' labels. Even the best heroes make questionable decisions and the worse ones like Shadow Stalker are needlessly violent and dangerous. Most of the villains care about their friends and family and do their best to avoid needlessly hurting bystanders, and VillainProtagonist Taylor spends the majority of her time actually trying trying to help people. The only really unambiguously evil characters are the Slaughterhouse Nine and the Endbringers, but even then [[spoiler: Bonesaw makes a HeelFaceTurn in the end and the Endbringers help in the fight against Scion.]]

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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', almost none of the heroes and many of the villains don't neatly fit the 'good' or 'bad' labels. Even the best heroes make questionable decisions and the worse ones like Shadow Stalker are needlessly violent and dangerous. Most of the villains care about their friends and family and do their best to avoid needlessly hurting bystanders, and VillainProtagonist Taylor spends the majority of her time actually trying trying to help people. The only really unambiguously evil characters are the Slaughterhouse Nine and the Endbringers, but even then [[spoiler: Bonesaw makes a HeelFaceTurn in the end and the Endbringers help in the fight against Scion.]]
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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', almost none of the heroes and many of the villains don't neatly fit the 'good' or 'bad' labels. Even the best heroes make questionable decisions and the worse ones like Shadow Stalker are needlessly violent and dangerous. Most of the villains care about their friends and family and do their best to avoid needlessly hurting bystanders, and VillainProtagonist Taylor spends the majority of her time actually trying trying to help people. The only really unambiguous characters are the Slaughterhouse Nine and the Endbringers, but even then [[spoiler: Bonesaw makes a HeelFaceTurn in the end and the Endbringers help in the fight against Scion.]]

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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', almost none of the heroes and many of the villains don't neatly fit the 'good' or 'bad' labels. Even the best heroes make questionable decisions and the worse ones like Shadow Stalker are needlessly violent and dangerous. Most of the villains care about their friends and family and do their best to avoid needlessly hurting bystanders, and VillainProtagonist Taylor spends the majority of her time actually trying trying to help people. The only really unambiguous unambiguously evil characters are the Slaughterhouse Nine and the Endbringers, but even then [[spoiler: Bonesaw makes a HeelFaceTurn in the end and the Endbringers help in the fight against Scion.]]
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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', the majority of heroes and villains don't neatly fit the 'good' or 'bad' labels. Even the best heroes make questionable decisions and the worse ones like Shadow Stalker are needlessly violent and dangerous. Most of the villains care about their friends and family and do their best to avoid needlessly hurting bystanders, and VillainProtagonist Taylor spends the majority of her time trying trying to help people.

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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', almost none of the majority of heroes and many of the villains don't neatly fit the 'good' or 'bad' labels. Even the best heroes make questionable decisions and the worse ones like Shadow Stalker are needlessly violent and dangerous. Most of the villains care about their friends and family and do their best to avoid needlessly hurting bystanders, and VillainProtagonist Taylor spends the majority of her time actually trying trying to help people.people. The only really unambiguous characters are the Slaughterhouse Nine and the Endbringers, but even then [[spoiler: Bonesaw makes a HeelFaceTurn in the end and the Endbringers help in the fight against Scion.]]
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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', both heroes and villains tend to be ambiguous, whether 'good' or 'bad'.

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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', both the majority of heroes and villains tend to be ambiguous, whether don't neatly fit the 'good' or 'bad'.'bad' labels. Even the best heroes make questionable decisions and the worse ones like Shadow Stalker are needlessly violent and dangerous. Most of the villains care about their friends and family and do their best to avoid needlessly hurting bystanders, and VillainProtagonist Taylor spends the majority of her time trying trying to help people.

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** {{Averted|Trope}} in regards to the story's main overarching conflict, which is pretty much BlackAndWhiteMorality at least early on; later on the story becomes much more nuanced, with the villains being revealed to have sympathetic qualities and the BigGood having a shady past, and morally complex characters like Raven Branwen (who is basically a {{Byronic|Hero}} AntiVillain).

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** {{Averted|Trope}} in regards to the The story's main overarching conflict, which is conflict at first averted this, being pretty much BlackAndWhiteMorality at least early on; BlackAndWhiteMorality. However, later on the story becomes much more nuanced, with the villains being revealed to have sympathetic qualities and the BigGood having a shady past, and morally complex characters like Raven Branwen (who is basically a {{Byronic|Hero}} AntiVillain).past. The story could be considered more or less [[DownplayedTrope light grey vs dark grey]].


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* ''WebVideo/BackstrokeOfTheWest:'' For all their heroism, the Hopeless Situation Warriors perform some rather unsavory actions for the sake of their goals, and the villains are either {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s at best, like The D, or have redeeming qualities, like how Space General is a BenevolentBoss.
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** {{Averted|Trope}} in regards to the story's main overarching conflict, which is pretty much BlackAndWhiteMorality.

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** {{Averted|Trope}} in regards to the story's main overarching conflict, which is pretty much BlackAndWhiteMorality.BlackAndWhiteMorality at least early on; later on the story becomes much more nuanced, with the villains being revealed to have sympathetic qualities and the BigGood having a shady past, and morally complex characters like Raven Branwen (who is basically a {{Byronic|Hero}} AntiVillain).
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* "Champions of Meridell" in ''Website/{{Neopets}}'' is the first war between Meridell and the Darigan Citadel, after the greedy king Skarl stole the orb of prosperity from the originally PerfectPacifistPeople of Darigan for his own glory and power, causing them much misery and pain and mutating them into vengeful monsters who try to destroy Meridell. There are both good and evil in both sides, with the heroic Jeran serving the villainous Skarl, and the anti-villain Darigan seeking to return the orb to his people.
* In ''WebOriginal/{{Pokegirls}}'', humankind survives entirely due to a system of raping and brainwashing the eponymous female subspecies... which are themselves notorious for rape and ''murder''.

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* "Champions of Meridell" in ''Website/{{Neopets}}'' is the first war between Meridell and the Darigan Citadel, after the greedy king Skarl stole the orb of prosperity from the originally PerfectPacifistPeople of Darigan for his own glory and power, causing them much misery and pain and mutating them into vengeful monsters who try to destroy Meridell. There are both good and evil in on both sides, with the heroic Jeran serving the villainous Skarl, and the anti-villain Darigan seeking to return the orb to his people.
* In ''WebOriginal/{{Pokegirls}}'', ''Pokegirls'', humankind survives entirely due to a system of raping and brainwashing the eponymous female subspecies... which are themselves notorious for rape and ''murder''.



* Comes up in ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'', and PlayedForDrama. What happens when you take two people who are supposed to be friends and colleagues and have circumstances beyond their control place them on opposite sides of a conflict like this? [[spoiler:Just ask Weiss and Blake. Weiss is the heiress of the Schnee Dust Company, and Blake is a former member of the White Fang terrorist group. Weiss and her family have been targeted by members of the White Fang for as long as she can remember, and it's also implied that [[AbusiveParents her ill-tempered father took his frustrations out on her]], but where Weiss is wrong is that her personal prejudices cross the boundaries onto ''all Faunas in general''. While it is true that Blake was a member of the White Fang, she left because they began terrorising and killing innocent people, which she objected to. Despite this, she still feels compelled to defend their cause and their actions. Of the two, Blake is perhaps the more sympathetic, but Weiss remains a TragicBigot]].

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* Comes up in ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'', and PlayedForDrama. What happens when you take two people who are supposed to be friends and colleagues and have circumstances beyond their control place them on opposite sides of a conflict like this? [[spoiler:Just ask Weiss and Blake. Weiss is the heiress of the Schnee Dust Company, and Blake is a former member of the White Fang terrorist group. Weiss and her family have been targeted by members of the White Fang for as long as she can remember, and it's also implied that [[AbusiveParents her ill-tempered father took his frustrations out on her]], but where Weiss is wrong is that her personal prejudices cross the boundaries onto ''all Faunas [[LittleBitBeastly Faunus]] in general''. While it is true that Blake was a member of the White Fang, she left because they began terrorising and killing innocent people, which she objected to. Despite this, she still feels compelled to defend their cause and their actions. Of the two, Blake is perhaps the more sympathetic, but Weiss remains a TragicBigot]].
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* In ''{{Pokegirls}}'', humankind survives entirely due to a system of raping and brainwashing the eponymous female subspecies... which are themselves notorious for rape and ''murder''.

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* In ''{{Pokegirls}}'', ''WebOriginal/{{Pokegirls}}'', humankind survives entirely due to a system of raping and brainwashing the eponymous female subspecies... which are themselves notorious for rape and ''murder''.
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* ''Series/CobraKai:'' While it was never {{black and white|morality}} to begin with, the initial grudge between Johnny and Daniel (who were the finalists in the tourney shown in Film/TheKarateKid) culminates in the realization that they're NotSoDifferent anymore.
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* Doctor Locklear argues about this with police officer Bernadette in Mindgames. Yes, he [[ColdBloodedTorture tortures]] and kills people, but [[AssholeVictim considering his victims are released convicts]] or [[MiscarriageofJustice people ruled not guilty by the flawed legal system]], and that the one time he ''saved'' a criminal he lost his wife and unborn child, Locklear sees what he does as completely justified. [[spoiler:He convinces Bernadette enough that she refuses to shoot him after she gets her gun back and ends up resigning instead of telling the other police she found him, [[FaceHeelTurn which was what she set out to do in the first place.]]]]
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* ARG/DarkDreamChronicle. One side has [[CuteButPsycho the Laughing Clown]] and [[WouldHurtAChild Darkness]] as two of its primary members. The other is trying to warp humanity for their [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans Cause]] and are more than willing to use violence to get there. Oh, and it's led by the [[TheSlenderManMythos Slender]] [[HumanoidAbomination Man]].

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* ARG/DarkDreamChronicle. One side has [[CuteButPsycho the Laughing Clown]] and [[WouldHurtAChild Darkness]] as two of its primary members. The other is trying to warp humanity for their [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans Cause]] and are more than willing to use violence to get there. Oh, and it's led by the [[TheSlenderManMythos [[Franchise/TheSlenderManMythos Slender]] [[HumanoidAbomination Man]].
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* "Champions of Meridell" in ''Franchise/{{Neopets}}'' is the first war between Meridell and the Darigan Citadel, after the greedy king Skarl stole the orb of prosperity from the originally PerfectPacifistPeople of Darigan for his own glory and power, causing them much misery and pain and mutating them into vengeful monsters who try to destroy Meridell. There are both good and evil in both sides, with the heroic Jeran serving the villainous Skarl, and the anti-villain Darigan seeking to return the orb to his people.

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* "Champions of Meridell" in ''Franchise/{{Neopets}}'' ''Website/{{Neopets}}'' is the first war between Meridell and the Darigan Citadel, after the greedy king Skarl stole the orb of prosperity from the originally PerfectPacifistPeople of Darigan for his own glory and power, causing them much misery and pain and mutating them into vengeful monsters who try to destroy Meridell. There are both good and evil in both sides, with the heroic Jeran serving the villainous Skarl, and the anti-villain Darigan seeking to return the orb to his people.
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* The online book ''Literature/ImperialDawn'' is centered around a war between those who support democracy, and those who are moving towards an arguably better new government system. Neither side is presented as wholly good nor bad.
* ''WebVideo/ThereWillBeBrawl'': There is no good or evil. The 'good guys' are drug dealers, strippers, or {{Fallen Hero}}es, the 'bad guys' actually have a plan to improve the quality of life in the Mushroom Kingdom, and the cops are corrupt and trying to usurp the throne. The only one with a clear designation is Kirby...who is a psychotic cannibal, a la [[Literature/TheSilenceOfTheLambs Hannibal Lecter]].
** There's also [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Red]], the only character who is truly good. Which makes it all the more sad (and fitting) when [[spoiler: he dies by Pikmin bomb]]
* In ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfTaras'' the hero is a psychopathic, snarky teenage girl with a penchant for martial arts and mass slaughter, while the bad guys are scientists [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans who just want to make the world a better place]] and see her as a test subject for their horrific BioPunk Experiments.
* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue''. The default characterization seems to be 'incompetent jerk', with variations lying mostly in the type and degree of incompetence and/or {{jerkass}}ery.
** The gray becomes even more clear when the Freelancer backstory starts to be brought out in seasons 6 through 10. On one hand, you want to root for the Freelancers. On the other, they're doing a lot of morally questionable things. Even those who are clearly "bad guys" (Sigma, the Director, CT, etc.) have a lot of nuance once you learn why they do the horrible things they do, and in the end, it's hard to say who's really good or bad.
* ARG/DarkDreamChronicle. One side has [[CuteButPsycho the Laughing Clown]] and [[WouldHurtAChild Darkness]] as two of its primary members. The other is trying to warp humanity for their [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans Cause]] and are more than willing to use violence to get there. Oh, and it's led by the [[TheSlenderManMythos Slender]] [[HumanoidAbomination Man]].
* "Champions of Meridell" in ''Franchise/{{Neopets}}'' is the first war between Meridell and the Darigan Citadel, after the greedy king Skarl stole the orb of prosperity from the originally PerfectPacifistPeople of Darigan for his own glory and power, causing them much misery and pain and mutating them into vengeful monsters who try to destroy Meridell. There are both good and evil in both sides, with the heroic Jeran serving the villainous Skarl, and the anti-villain Darigan seeking to return the orb to his people.
* In ''{{Pokegirls}}'', humankind survives entirely due to a system of raping and brainwashing the eponymous female subspecies... which are themselves notorious for rape and ''murder''.
* Neither side in TheAbridgedSeries ''WebVideo/SonicTheOtherMovie'' is clean. Sonic only fights evil because it's fun, and villain Dr. Robotnik's evil plans to kill Sonic are simply to remove the obstacle preventing him from taking over the world and turning into a utopia.
* While Doug's writings of the anniversaries are a bit blacker, WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic's show runs on this. Critic's a PsychopathicManchild but tries to be a decent human being, Sage-as-Satan is much less scary than he is as his normal self in other series, BigGood Santa Christ can hold a mean grudge and even major troll Douchey manages to show a bit of heart when he feels pity for Critic at the end of the third fuck-up list.
* ''WebAnimation/DeadFantasy''. Sort of. Creator/{{Montyoum}} always said right from the start that the series isn't about which side wins, or which is better, or which is good or bad, and that [[RuleOfCool everyone should just focus on the fighting]].
* Comes up in ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'', and PlayedForDrama. What happens when you take two people who are supposed to be friends and colleagues and have circumstances beyond their control place them on opposite sides of a conflict like this? [[spoiler:Just ask Weiss and Blake. Weiss is the heiress of the Schnee Dust Company, and Blake is a former member of the White Fang terrorist group. Weiss and her family have been targeted by members of the White Fang for as long as she can remember, and it's also implied that [[AbusiveParents her ill-tempered father took his frustrations out on her]], but where Weiss is wrong is that her personal prejudices cross the boundaries onto ''all Faunas in general''. While it is true that Blake was a member of the White Fang, she left because they began terrorising and killing innocent people, which she objected to. Despite this, she still feels compelled to defend their cause and their actions. Of the two, Blake is perhaps the more sympathetic, but Weiss remains a TragicBigot]].
** {{Averted|Trope}} in regards to the story's main overarching conflict, which is pretty much BlackAndWhiteMorality.
* In ''WebVideo/SpaceJanitors'', a parody of the ''Franchise/StarWars'' universe, rebels are portrayed as egotistical adrenaline junkies. Meanwhile, imperial citizen are portrayed as very happy to completely buy into the propaganda of the empire.
* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', both heroes and villains tend to be ambiguous, whether 'good' or 'bad'.
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