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* How do people know [=DeadSec=] injured/wronged them even if it was remote hacking or indrectly done? They don't, Albion most likely just tells '''everyone''' their random ills were done by the group, and in these cases it's just logical enough to fit or simply distressing enough they want a name and it was given to them. Basically the propoganda machine lines up enough with reality they take the bait.
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* Clan Kelley's power under the fascist regime of Albion seems like it shouldn't be possible but one of the themes of Watch_Dogs is the surveillance state ([[AluminumChristmasTrees like fascism in RL]]) is that organized crime usually thrives under totalitarian regimes rather than the reverse. There's rare exceptions like Mussolini and the mafia but usually said regimes are grossly corrupt.

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* Clan Kelley's power under the fascist regime of Albion seems like it shouldn't be possible but one of the themes of Watch_Dogs is the surveillance state ([[AluminumChristmasTrees like fascism in RL]]) real life]]) is that organized crime usually thrives under totalitarian regimes rather than the reverse. There's rare exceptions like Mussolini and the mafia but usually said regimes are grossly corrupt.



** [[spoiler:ctually it's revealed that the titular A.I. from the Guardian Protocol DLC is one of Skye's A.I. if you play it after the 404 plotline, so that resolves that one, the possibility of others though...]]

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** [[spoiler:ctually [[spoiler:Actually it's revealed that the titular A.I. from the Guardian Protocol DLC is one of Skye's A.I. if you play it after the 404 plotline, so that resolves that one, the possibility of others though...]]
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* Zero Day's identity is obvious if you look at several oddities about the first mission...
** There's almost nothing that you can hack into other than securty bypasses, with Sabine even mentioning they're practically ghosts. [[spoiler: Of course, she'd make sure the mercenaries she hired were stripped of all electronics.]]
** Bagley has ''multiple'' problems with disarming the bomb, including Zero Day piggybacking off his hack, which should be impossible. [[spoiler: Unless Zero Day was ''in the same room as him''. Sabine even mentions she's shutting off Bagley ''personally''.]]
** Sabine was clearly in the room when the mercenaries came in, but apparently escaped through a hidden passage, and looks none the worse for it. [[spoiler: Of course, ''she'' would be unharmed, ''being Zero Day''...]]
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* Entering Aiden's mind in the DLC and the trips to get his stuff all represent [[MyGreatestFailure his biggest regrets, including Lena's death]]. The birthday party represents how he hasn't been there for his family (made evident by Nicky's message) and the bloodstained house represents all the bodies he left behind in his career as the Fox.
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* The ending of Dedsec having gotten rid of all the BigBadEnsemble and drudged up even more dirt on Albion and their allies is a serious EsotericHappyEnding when you consider London/Britain's situation. Since Zero Day, the UK's democratic government and elections have been suspended indefinitely, and Albion and their allies have been making and enforcing all the policy decisions in the country; in practice, if not law, they are the government. Theoretically, Parliament could reconvene, terminate their contracts and send the army to kick them out if they refuse to leave, but even before [=DedSec=] got to work, it seems clear that all Albion's policies were unpopular and unconstitutional, and [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney the government doesn't care because they're getting kickbacks from the corporatocracy]]. [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating Dedsec may have turned the public from disliking to hating Albion,]] but Albion shouldn't care because there are no more elections, so nothing will improve change much unless the people start effective, widespread violent resistance. Common people battling a small army of PrivateMilitaryContractors all but stated to be [[SociopathicSoldier hired off blacklists]] in the middle of London is a scary enough concept, but even if that is all it takes to make the government step in and/or Albion to cut their losses and flee, Britain will just be back with the same [[CorruptPolitician government that seemingly unilaterally handed the keys of power to people they knew were fascists and their monstrous allies for extra cash]].

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* The ending of Dedsec having gotten rid of all the BigBadEnsemble and drudged up even more dirt on Albion and their allies is a serious EsotericHappyEnding when you consider London/Britain's situation. Since Zero Day, the UK's democratic government and elections have been suspended indefinitely, and Albion and their allies have been making and enforcing all the policy decisions in the country; in practice, if not law, they are the government. Theoretically, Parliament could reconvene, terminate their contracts and send the army to kick them out if they refuse to leave, but even before [=DedSec=] got to work, it seems clear that all Albion's policies were unpopular and unconstitutional, and [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney the government doesn't care because they're getting kickbacks from the corporatocracy]]. [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating Dedsec may have turned the public from disliking to hating Albion,]] Albion]], but Albion shouldn't care because there are no more elections, so nothing will improve change much unless the people start effective, widespread violent resistance. Common people battling a small army of PrivateMilitaryContractors all but stated to be [[SociopathicSoldier hired off blacklists]] in the middle of London is a scary enough concept, but even if that is all it takes to make the government step in and/or Albion to cut their losses and flee, Britain will just be back with the same [[CorruptPolitician government that seemingly unilaterally handed the keys of power to people they knew were fascists and their monstrous allies for extra cash]].

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!! FridgeBrilliance

* Zero Day's plan makes a lot of sense when you think about it. They want to engage in accelerationism by forcing the corporations into power, knowing they'll engage in PoliceBrutality and overreach until the corporations turn the entire population against Albion and its allies. [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration Which is what happens as almost everyone is willing to turn against them.]] [[spoiler: The only problem is that they expected to have a free ticket to work due to their betrayal but Nigel Cass is GenreSavvy and pulled a YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness.]]
* Why is seemingly everyone and their brother willing to turn against Albion? Well, the organization has suspended democratic processes and there haven't been any further terrorist attacks in a year. The PoliceState is everywhere and they haven't gained control over the press. As such, Albion has already worn down everyone's patience and is only getting worse. The only people thus unwilling to turn on them are those directly tied to the company or who have been wronged by [=DeadSec=].

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!!FridgeBrilliance
* Zero Day's plan makes a lot of sense when you think about it. They want to engage in accelerationism by forcing the corporations into power, knowing they'll engage in PoliceBrutality and overreach until the corporations turn the entire population against Albion and its allies. [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration Which is what happens as almost everyone is willing to turn against them.]] [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The only problem is that they expected to have a free ticket to work due to their betrayal but Nigel Cass is GenreSavvy and pulled a YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness.]]
* Why is seemingly everyone and their brother willing to turn against Albion? Well, the organization has suspended democratic processes and there haven't been any further terrorist attacks in a year. The PoliceState is everywhere and they haven't gained control over the press. As such, Albion has already worn down everyone's patience and is only getting worse. The only people thus unwilling to turn on them are those directly tied to the company or who have been wronged by [=DeadSec=].[=DedSec=].



* Why do most [=DeadSec=] operatives use nonlethal weapons? Not only are handguns rare in the UK but there's a difference between recruiting people to do favors for LaResistance and getting them to kill for you.

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* The ending of Dedsec having gotten rid of all the BigBadEnsemble and drudged up even more dirt on Albion and their allies is a serious EsotericHappyEnding when you consider London/Britain's situation. Since Zero Day, the UK's democratic government and elections have been suspended indefinitely, and Albion and their allies have been making and enforcing all the policy decisions in the country; in practice, if not law, they are the government. Theoretically, Parliament could reconvene, terminate their contracts and send the army to kick them out if they refuse to leave, but even before Dedsec got to work, it seems clear that all Albion's policies were unpopular and unconstitutional, and [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney the government doesn't care because they're getting kickbacks from the corporatocracy.]] [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating Dedsec may have turned the public from disliking to hating Albion,]] but Albion shouldn't care because there are no more elections, so nothing will improve change much unless the people start effective, widespread violent resistance. Common people battling a small army of PrivateMilitaryContractors all but stated to be [[SociopathicSoldier hired off blacklists]] in the middle of London is a scary enough concept, but even if that is all it takes to make the government step in and/or Albion to cut their losses and flee, Britain will just be back with the same [[CorruptPolitician government that seemingly unilaterally handed the keys of power to people they knew were fascists and their monstrous allies for extra cash.]]

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* Why do most [=DeadSec=] [=DedSec=] operatives use nonlethal non-lethal weapons? Not only are handguns rare in the UK but there's a difference between recruiting people to do favors for LaResistance and getting them to kill for you.

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!!FridgeHorror
* The ending of Dedsec having gotten rid of all the BigBadEnsemble and drudged up even more dirt on Albion and their allies is a serious EsotericHappyEnding when you consider London/Britain's situation. Since Zero Day, the UK's democratic government and elections have been suspended indefinitely, and Albion and their allies have been making and enforcing all the policy decisions in the country; in practice, if not law, they are the government. Theoretically, Parliament could reconvene, terminate their contracts and send the army to kick them out if they refuse to leave, but even before Dedsec [=DedSec=] got to work, it seems clear that all Albion's policies were unpopular and unconstitutional, and [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney the government doesn't care because they're getting kickbacks from the corporatocracy.]] corporatocracy]]. [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating Dedsec may have turned the public from disliking to hating Albion,]] but Albion shouldn't care because there are no more elections, so nothing will improve change much unless the people start effective, widespread violent resistance. Common people battling a small army of PrivateMilitaryContractors all but stated to be [[SociopathicSoldier hired off blacklists]] in the middle of London is a scary enough concept, but even if that is all it takes to make the government step in and/or Albion to cut their losses and flee, Britain will just be back with the same [[CorruptPolitician government that seemingly unilaterally handed the keys of power to people they knew were fascists and their monstrous allies for extra cash.]] cash]].



* Zero Day's true identity [[spoiler: of Sabine, means that [=DeadSec=] really WAS responsible for the London bombings.]]
** To an extent, [[spoiler:the rest of the old DedSec London was oblivious to Sabine's plans and were stabbed in the back by her, and the new team were oblivious to her true motives, she did not act in [=DedSec's=] name and once they knew what she was up to they turned on her. Furthermore the planning and actual placing of the bombs was done by Albion and Clan Kelly at Sabine's instruction.]]
* In Skye Larsen's basement, there are four people cryogenically frozen, presumably victims of Project Daybreak. Presumably, they're [[spoiler:Sinead, the two AIs you decommission on Nowt's missions and either Bagley or Skye, right? ...except Bagley is later shown in a nursing home, and Skye is cryogenically frozen under Broca Tech headquarters. This leaves one Daybreak victim unaccounted for, meaning that there's at least one neural-mapped AI still active, and potentially more if she stuck more victims than just Bagley in nursing homes]].
** [[spoiler: Actually it's revealed that the titular AI from the Guardian Protocol DLC is one of Skye's AI if you play it after the 404 plotline, so that resolves that one, the possibility of others though...]]

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* Zero Day's true identity [[spoiler: of [[spoiler:of Sabine, means that [=DeadSec=] [=DedSec=] really WAS responsible for the London bombings.]]
** To an extent, [[spoiler:the rest of the old DedSec [=DedSec=] London was oblivious to Sabine's plans and were stabbed in the back by her, and the new team were oblivious to her true motives, she did not act in [=DedSec's=] name and once they knew what she was up to they turned on her. Furthermore the planning and actual placing of the bombs was done by Albion and Clan Kelly at Sabine's instruction.]]
* In Skye Larsen's basement, there are four people cryogenically frozen, presumably victims of Project Daybreak. Presumably, they're [[spoiler:Sinead, the two AIs A.I.s you decommission on Nowt's missions and either Bagley or Skye, right? ...except Bagley is later shown in a nursing home, and Skye is cryogenically frozen under Broca Tech headquarters. This leaves one Daybreak victim unaccounted for, meaning that there's at least one neural-mapped AI A.I. still active, and potentially more if she stuck more victims than just Bagley in nursing homes]].
** [[spoiler: Actually [[spoiler:ctually it's revealed that the titular AI A.I. from the Guardian Protocol DLC is one of Skye's AI A.I. if you play it after the 404 plotline, so that resolves that one, the possibility of others though...]]
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** Also possible is that Albion will beat back the first waves of rioters (possibly thanks to the British army being ordered to assist them). But now there are hundreds, maybe thousands of martyrs to the people's cause. Even more people will join, and it'll go from street unrest to all out civil war, especially as members of the army side with their countrymen and (certain interpretations of) their oath to the crown, not parliament; as signs posted by civilians near Buckingham Palace show, the people have become increasingly loyal to the monarchy, having looked to them for guidance during DedSec's absence, though documents in the area also imply that Albion may have engaged in regicide to further their iron-fisted rule of the country. Even if the people do come out on top, just how much faith in capitalism (kind of the point) or democracy (not so much) will the first world have afterwards?

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** Also possible is that Albion will beat back the first waves of rioters (possibly thanks to the British army being ordered to assist them). But now there are hundreds, maybe thousands of martyrs to the people's cause. Even more people will join, and it'll go from street unrest to all out civil war, especially as members of the army side with their countrymen and (certain interpretations of) their oath to the crown, not parliament; as signs posted placards left by civilians near Buckingham Palace show, the people have become increasingly loyal to the monarchy, having looked to them for guidance during DedSec's [=DedSec=]'s absence, though documents in the area also imply that Albion may have engaged in regicide to further their iron-fisted rule of the country. Even if the people do come out on top, just how much faith in capitalism (kind of the point) or democracy (not so much) will the first world have afterwards?
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** Also possible is that Albion will beat back the first waves of rioters (possibly thanks to the British army being ordered to assist them). But now there are hundreds, maybe thousands of martyrs to the people's cause. Even more people will join, and it'll go from street unrest to all out civil war, especially as members of the army side with their countrymen and (certain interpretations of) their oath to the crown, not parliament. Even if the people do come out on top, just how much faith in capitalism (kind of the point) or democracy (not so much) will the first world have afterwards?

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** Also possible is that Albion will beat back the first waves of rioters (possibly thanks to the British army being ordered to assist them). But now there are hundreds, maybe thousands of martyrs to the people's cause. Even more people will join, and it'll go from street unrest to all out civil war, especially as members of the army side with their countrymen and (certain interpretations of) their oath to the crown, not parliament.parliament; as signs posted by civilians near Buckingham Palace show, the people have become increasingly loyal to the monarchy, having looked to them for guidance during DedSec's absence, though documents in the area also imply that Albion may have engaged in regicide to further their iron-fisted rule of the country. Even if the people do come out on top, just how much faith in capitalism (kind of the point) or democracy (not so much) will the first world have afterwards?
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** I presumed that, once they'd milked him of any useful intel, [=DedSec=] would arrange a dead drop similar to what Emma Child did to the kidnapped operative, probably coordinating with Kaitlin Lau to ensure Malik's arrested.


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** To an extent, [[spoiler:the rest of the old DedSec London was oblivious to Sabine's plans and were stabbed in the back by her, and the new team were oblivious to her true motives, she did not act in [=DedSec's=] name and once they knew what she was up to they turned on her. Furthermore the planning and actual placing of the bombs was done by Albion and Clan Kelly at Sabine's instruction.]]


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** [[spoiler: Actually it's revealed that the titular AI from the Guardian Protocol DLC is one of Skye's AI if you play it after the 404 plotline, so that resolves that one, the possibility of others though...]]
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* There's just too much money tied up in Albion, Blume, and other corporations to cancel all their contracts with the city. Even with the complete disaster this has proven to be, the organizations still wield power after the events of the game. GameplayAndStorySegregation or just SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome? It could be both.
** Hell, with Parliament suspended, there's no one ''to'' suspend the contracts of Albion. They can't be fired because they're still in charge of the country at the end of the game.

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* There's just too much money tied up in Albion, Blume, The ending of Dedsec having gotten rid of all the BigBadEnsemble and other corporations to cancel drudged up even more dirt on Albion and their allies is a serious EsotericHappyEnding when you consider London/Britain's situation. Since Zero Day, the UK's democratic government and elections have been suspended indefinitely, and Albion and their allies have been making and enforcing all the policy decisions in the country; in practice, if not law, they are the government. Theoretically, Parliament could reconvene, terminate their contracts with and send the city. Even with army to kick them out if they refuse to leave, but even before Dedsec got to work, it seems clear that all Albion's policies were unpopular and unconstitutional, and [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney the complete disaster this has proven to be, the organizations still wield power after the events of the game. GameplayAndStorySegregation or just SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome? It could be both.
** Hell, with Parliament suspended, there's no one ''to'' suspend the contracts of Albion. They can't be fired
government doesn't care because they're still getting kickbacks from the corporatocracy.]] [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating Dedsec may have turned the public from disliking to hating Albion,]] but Albion shouldn't care because there are no more elections, so nothing will improve change much unless the people start effective, widespread violent resistance. Common people battling a small army of PrivateMilitaryContractors all but stated to be [[SociopathicSoldier hired off blacklists]] in charge the middle of London is a scary enough concept, but even if that is all it takes to make the government step in and/or Albion to cut their losses and flee, Britain will just be back with the same [[CorruptPolitician government that seemingly unilaterally handed the keys of power to people they knew were fascists and their monstrous allies for extra cash.]]
** Also possible is that Albion will beat back the first waves of rioters (possibly thanks to the British army being ordered to assist them). But now there are hundreds, maybe thousands of martyrs to the people's cause. Even more people will join, and it'll go from street unrest to all out civil war, especially as members
of the country at army side with their countrymen and (certain interpretations of) their oath to the end crown, not parliament. Even if the people do come out on top, just how much faith in capitalism (kind of the game.point) or democracy (not so much) will the first world have afterwards?
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* In Skye Larsen's basement, there are four people cryogenically frozen, presumably victims of Project Daybreak. Presumably, they're [[spoiler:Sinead, the two AIs you decommission on Nowt's missions and either Bagley or Skye, right? ...except Bagley is later shown in a nursing home, and Skye is cryogenically frozen under Broca Tech headquarters. This leaves one Daybreak victim unaccounted for, meaning that there's at least one neural-mapped AI still active, and potentially more if she stuck more victims than just Bagley in nursing homes]].
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* Just how long do they intend to hold Malik in those facilities? Forever?
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* Zero Day's true identity [[spoiler: of Sabine, means that [=DeadSec=] really WAS responsible for the London bombings.]]
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** Hell, with Parliament suspended, there's no one ''to'' suspend the contracts of Albion. They can't be fired because they're still in charge of the country at the end of the game.
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* Albion only arrested Thomas Rempart in all likelihood because he lied to them about his attack drones working without the [=BrocaBridge=]. That and possibly all of the mayhem that Jordi and Wrench caused that made them look bad. However, what is the likelihood that they might make a deal with them or just annex his company?

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* Albion only arrested Thomas Rempart in all likelihood because he lied to them about his attack drones working without the [=BrocaBridge=]. That and possibly all of the mayhem that Jordi and Wrench caused that made them look bad. However, what is the likelihood that they might make a deal with them or just annex his company?

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* Albion only arrested Thomas Rempart in all likelihood because he lied to them about his attack drones working without the [=BrocaBridge=]. That and possibly all of the mayhem that Jordi and Wrench caused that made them look bad. However, what is the likelihood that they might make a deal with them or just annex his company?
** Jordi comments that he might actually be able to leverage that as an angle. Which means that Albion would only have grown stronger for our heroes' actions.
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* There's just too much money tied up in Albion, Blume, and other corporations to cancel all their contracts with the city. Even with the complete disaster this has proven to be, the organizations still wield power after the events of the game. GameplayAndStorySegregation or just RealityEnsues? It could be both.

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* There's just too much money tied up in Albion, Blume, and other corporations to cancel all their contracts with the city. Even with the complete disaster this has proven to be, the organizations still wield power after the events of the game. GameplayAndStorySegregation or just RealityEnsues? SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome? It could be both.
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* Clan Kelly's power under the fascist regime of Albion seems like it shouldn't be possible but one of the themes of Watch_Dogs is the surveillance state ([[AluminumChristmasTrees like fascism in RL]]) is that organized crime usually thrives under totalitarian regimes rather than the reverse. There's rare exceptions like Mussolini and the mafia but usually said regimes are grossly corrupt.

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* Clan Kelly's Kelley's power under the fascist regime of Albion seems like it shouldn't be possible but one of the themes of Watch_Dogs is the surveillance state ([[AluminumChristmasTrees like fascism in RL]]) is that organized crime usually thrives under totalitarian regimes rather than the reverse. There's rare exceptions like Mussolini and the mafia but usually said regimes are grossly corrupt.
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* Why is seemingly everyone and their brother willing to turn against Albion? Well, the organization has suspended democratic processes and there haven't been any further terrorist attacks in a year. The PoliceState is everywhere and they haven't gained control over the press. As such, Albion has already worn down everyone's patience and is only getting worse. The only people thus unwilling to turn on them are those directly tied to the company or who have been wronged by DeadSec.

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* Why is seemingly everyone and their brother willing to turn against Albion? Well, the organization has suspended democratic processes and there haven't been any further terrorist attacks in a year. The PoliceState is everywhere and they haven't gained control over the press. As such, Albion has already worn down everyone's patience and is only getting worse. The only people thus unwilling to turn on them are those directly tied to the company or who have been wronged by DeadSec.[=DeadSec=].




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* Why do most [=DeadSec=] operatives use nonlethal weapons? Not only are handguns rare in the UK but there's a difference between recruiting people to do favors for LaResistance and getting them to kill for you.

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* Why is seemingly everyone and their brother willing to turn against Albion? Well, the organization has suspended democratic processes and there haven't been any further terrorist attacks in a year. The PoliceState is everywhere and they haven't gained control over the press. As such, Albion has already worn down everyone's patience and is only getting worse. The only people thus unwilling to turn on them are those directly tied to the company or who have been wronged by DeadSec.
* Clan Kelly's power under the fascist regime of Albion seems like it shouldn't be possible but one of the themes of Watch_Dogs is the surveillance state ([[AluminumChristmasTrees like fascism in RL]]) is that organized crime usually thrives under totalitarian regimes rather than the reverse. There's rare exceptions like Mussolini and the mafia but usually said regimes are grossly corrupt.
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!! FridgeBrilliance

* Zero Day's plan makes a lot of sense when you think about it. They want to engage in accelerationism by forcing the corporations into power, knowing they'll engage in PoliceBrutality and overreach until the corporations turn the entire population against Albion and its allies. [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration Which is what happens as almost everyone is willing to turn against them.]] [[spoiler: The only problem is that they expected to have a free ticket to work due to their betrayal but Nigel Cass is GenreSavvy and pulled a YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness.]]

!! FridgeHorror

* There's just too much money tied up in Albion, Blume, and other corporations to cancel all their contracts with the city. Even with the complete disaster this has proven to be, the organizations still wield power after the events of the game. GameplayAndStorySegregation or just RealityEnsues? It could be both.

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