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* Between this game and ''Series/ObiWanKenobi'' happening in the same year, Vader had a pretty rough time. If Obi-Wan defeating him decisively proved that Vader wasn't invincible, then Cere's near-miss probably proved to Vader that even a Jedi he considers beneath him can be a threat if given the time to train. This would explain why he dogged Ezra and Kanan so badly in Season 2 of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' (and why he knew how to counter their attempt to drop walkers on him, because [[ItOnlyWorksOnce Cere already did that to him]]), and why he'd eventually develop fully into a NoNonsenseNemesis the closer to the Original Trilogy we get; if Obi-Wan was a lesson in humility, Cere was a lesson in the consequences of recklessness and underestimating even someone you consider beneath you.
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* Between this game and ''Series/ObiWanKenobi'' happening in the same year, Vader had a pretty rough time. If Obi-Wan defeating him decisively proved that Vader wasn't invincible, then Cere's near-miss probably proved to Vader that even a Jedi he considers beneath him can be a threat if given the time to train. This would explain why he dogged Ezra and Kanan so badly in Season 2 of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' (and why he knew how to counter their attempt to drop walkers on him, because [[ItOnlyWorksOnce Cere already did that to him]]), and why he'd eventually develop fully into a NoNonsenseNemesis the closer to the Original Trilogy we get; if Obi-Wan was a lesson in humility, Cere was a lesson in the consequences of recklessness and underestimating even someone you consider beneath you.you, a lesson he was no longer arrogant enough to ignore after limping away clinging to life.
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This feels like a massive leap in logic, especially since we know that not every single Jedi is given up literally as a newborn. Obi-Wan mentions having vague memories of his own parents and believes he has a brother, and Ahsoka was clearly an infant when she was taken. Furthermore, given that Leia remembers her mother's face despite Padme dying in childbirth, it's not much of a stretch to say that Force users likely just have unbelievably good memories.
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* Between this game and ''Series/ObiWanKenobi'' happening in the same year, Vader had a pretty rough time. If Obi-Wan defeating him decisively proved that Vader wasn't invincible, then Cere's near-miss probably proved to Vader that even a Jedi he considers beneath him can be a threat if given the time to train. This would explain why he dogged Ezra and Kanan so badly in Season 2 of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' (and why he knew how to counter their attempt to drop walkers on him, because [[ItOnlyWorksOnce Cere already did that to him]]), and why he'd eventually develop fully into a NoNonsenseNemesis the closer to the Original Trilogy we get; if Obi-Wan was a lesson in humility, Cere was a lesson in the consequences of recklessness and underestimating even someone you consider beneath you.
* In a bit of a subversion of the settings norms, Cal casually mentions when it comes up that he "barely remembers" his biological family. Which makes sense of course, Jedi believed bonds to that 'old life' could lead to effectively a conflict of interest, and thus discouraged them.
** On the other, the bonds of family mean a lot to we the audience (most of us) and our society at large, the traditional route in stories about those given up is to want to search for them... only then you stop to think about it, not everyone is like that, his 'society' didn't value bonds of blood, and frankly ours is increasingly valuing Found Family. Which he has, Tapal was basically his father, Prauf was arguably family in the interim, and then he had the original Mantis crew. Cordova was practically his honorary grandmaster, and thus almost a grandfather. [[spoiler: and then he lost both Cordova and Cere]]
** This is actually really inkeeping with the common fanon that Lineage (the line of Masters, and their Masters, who is also their padawans Grandmaster)as the bonds of family in all but name. It just makes sense for things to shake out that way?
* In a bit of a subversion of the settings norms, Cal casually mentions when it comes up that he "barely remembers" his biological family. Which makes sense of course, Jedi believed bonds to that 'old life' could lead to effectively a conflict of interest, and thus discouraged them.
** On the other, the bonds of family mean a lot to we the audience (most of us) and our society at large, the traditional route in stories about those given up is to want to search for them... only then you stop to think about it, not everyone is like that, his 'society' didn't value bonds of blood, and frankly ours is increasingly valuing Found Family. Which he has, Tapal was basically his father, Prauf was arguably family in the interim, and then he had the original Mantis crew. Cordova was practically his honorary grandmaster, and thus almost a grandfather. [[spoiler: and then he lost both Cordova and Cere]]
** This is actually really inkeeping with the common fanon that Lineage (the line of Masters, and their Masters, who is also their padawans Grandmaster)as the bonds of family in all but name. It just makes sense for things to shake out that way?
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* Between this game and ''Series/ObiWanKenobi'' happening in the same year, Vader had a pretty rough time. If Obi-Wan defeating him decisively proved that Vader wasn't invincible, then Cere's near-miss probably proved to Vader that even a Jedi he considers beneath him can be a threat if given the time to train. This would explain why he dogged Ezra and Kanan so badly in Season 2 of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' (and why he knew how to counter their attempt to drop walkers on him, because [[ItOnlyWorksOnce Cere already did that to him]]), and why he'd eventually develop fully into a NoNonsenseNemesis the closer to the Original Trilogy we get; if Obi-Wan was a lesson in humility, Cere was a lesson in the consequences of recklessness and underestimating even someone you consider beneath you.
* In a bit of a subversion of the settings norms, Cal casually mentions when it comes up that he "barely remembers" his biological family. Which makes sense of course, Jedi believed bonds to that 'old life' could lead to effectively a conflict of interest, and thus discouraged them.
** On the other, the bonds of family mean a lot to we the audience (most of us) and our society at large, the traditional route in stories about those given up is to want to search for them... only then you stop to think about it, not everyone is like that, his 'society' didn't value bonds of blood, and frankly ours is increasingly valuing Found Family. Which he has, Tapal was basically his father, Prauf was arguably family in the interim, and then he had the original Mantis crew. Cordova was practically his honorary grandmaster, and thus almost a grandfather. [[spoiler: and then he lost both Cordova and Cere]]
** This is actually really inkeeping with the common fanon that Lineage (the line of Masters, and their Masters, who is also their padawans Grandmaster)as the bonds of family in all but name. It just makes sense for things to shake out that way?you.
* In a bit of a subversion of the settings norms, Cal casually mentions when it comes up that he "barely remembers" his biological family. Which makes sense of course, Jedi believed bonds to that 'old life' could lead to effectively a conflict of interest, and thus discouraged them.
** On the other, the bonds of family mean a lot to we the audience (most of us) and our society at large, the traditional route in stories about those given up is to want to search for them... only then you stop to think about it, not everyone is like that, his 'society' didn't value bonds of blood, and frankly ours is increasingly valuing Found Family. Which he has, Tapal was basically his father, Prauf was arguably family in the interim, and then he had the original Mantis crew. Cordova was practically his honorary grandmaster, and thus almost a grandfather. [[spoiler: and then he lost both Cordova and Cere]]
** This is actually really inkeeping with the common fanon that Lineage (the line of Masters, and their Masters, who is also their padawans Grandmaster)as the bonds of family in all but name. It just makes sense for things to shake out that way?
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Still on about the partents thing! I'm so stoked to get a sliver of definitive info: 'was not given up as newborn'
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* Between this game and ''Series/ObiWanKenobi'' happening in the same year, Vader had a pretty rough time. If Obi-Wan defeating him decisively proved that Vader wasn't invincible, then Cere's near-miss probably proved to Vader that even a Jedi he considers beneath him can be a threat if given the time to train. This would explain why he dogged Ezra and Kanan so badly in Season 2 of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' (and why he knew how to counter their attempt to drop walkers on him, because [[ItOnlyWorksOnce Cere already did that to him]]), and why he'd eventually develop fully into a NoNonsenseNemesis the closer to the Original Trilogy we get; if Obi-Wan was a lesson in humility, Cere was a lesson in the consequences of recklessness and underestimating even someone you consider beneath you.
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* Between this game and ''Series/ObiWanKenobi'' happening in the same year, Vader had a pretty rough time. If Obi-Wan defeating him decisively proved that Vader wasn't invincible, then Cere's near-miss probably proved to Vader that even a Jedi he considers beneath him can be a threat if given the time to train. This would explain why he dogged Ezra and Kanan so badly in Season 2 of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' (and why he knew how to counter their attempt to drop walkers on him, because [[ItOnlyWorksOnce Cere already did that to him]]), and why he'd eventually develop fully into a NoNonsenseNemesis the closer to the Original Trilogy we get; if Obi-Wan was a lesson in humility, Cere was a lesson in the consequences of recklessness and underestimating even someone you consider beneath you.you.
* In a bit of a subversion of the settings norms, Cal casually mentions when it comes up that he "barely remembers" his biological family. Which makes sense of course, Jedi believed bonds to that 'old life' could lead to effectively a conflict of interest, and thus discouraged them.
**On the other, the bonds of family mean a lot to we the audience (most of us) and our society at large, the traditional route in stories about those given up is to want to search for them... only then you stop to think about it, not everyone is like that, his 'society' didn't value bonds of blood, and frankly ours is increasingly valuing Found Family. Which he has, Tapal was basically his father, Prauf was arguably family in the interim, and then he had the original Mantis crew. Cordova was practically his honorary grandmaster, and thus almost a grandfather. [[spoiler: and then he lost both Cordova and Cere]]
**This is actually really inkeeping with the common fanon that Lineage (the line of Masters, and their Masters, who is also their padawans Grandmaster)as the bonds of family in all but name. It just makes sense for things to shake out that way?
* In a bit of a subversion of the settings norms, Cal casually mentions when it comes up that he "barely remembers" his biological family. Which makes sense of course, Jedi believed bonds to that 'old life' could lead to effectively a conflict of interest, and thus discouraged them.
**On the other, the bonds of family mean a lot to we the audience (most of us) and our society at large, the traditional route in stories about those given up is to want to search for them... only then you stop to think about it, not everyone is like that, his 'society' didn't value bonds of blood, and frankly ours is increasingly valuing Found Family. Which he has, Tapal was basically his father, Prauf was arguably family in the interim, and then he had the original Mantis crew. Cordova was practically his honorary grandmaster, and thus almost a grandfather. [[spoiler: and then he lost both Cordova and Cere]]
**This is actually really inkeeping with the common fanon that Lineage (the line of Masters, and their Masters, who is also their padawans Grandmaster)as the bonds of family in all but name. It just makes sense for things to shake out that way?
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** Hate leads to suffering: In trying to protect his daughter, he's physically hurt and almost killed her, he's betrayed and/or killed so many people, some of which genuinely considered him a friend, and he dies alone as his daughter's become disillusioned with him and his former friends who ended up killing him have nothing but anger and disappointment in his betrayal and the man he's become.
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** Hate leads to suffering: In trying to protect his daughter, he's physically hurt and almost killed her, he's betrayed and/or killed so many people, some of which genuinely considered him a friend, and he dies alone as his daughter's become disillusioned with him and his former friends who ended up killing him have nothing but anger and disappointment in his betrayal and the man he's become.become.
* Between this game and ''Series/ObiWanKenobi'' happening in the same year, Vader had a pretty rough time. If Obi-Wan defeating him decisively proved that Vader wasn't invincible, then Cere's near-miss probably proved to Vader that even a Jedi he considers beneath him can be a threat if given the time to train. This would explain why he dogged Ezra and Kanan so badly in Season 2 of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' (and why he knew how to counter their attempt to drop walkers on him, because [[ItOnlyWorksOnce Cere already did that to him]]), and why he'd eventually develop fully into a NoNonsenseNemesis the closer to the Original Trilogy we get; if Obi-Wan was a lesson in humility, Cere was a lesson in the consequences of recklessness and underestimating even someone you consider beneath you.
* Between this game and ''Series/ObiWanKenobi'' happening in the same year, Vader had a pretty rough time. If Obi-Wan defeating him decisively proved that Vader wasn't invincible, then Cere's near-miss probably proved to Vader that even a Jedi he considers beneath him can be a threat if given the time to train. This would explain why he dogged Ezra and Kanan so badly in Season 2 of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' (and why he knew how to counter their attempt to drop walkers on him, because [[ItOnlyWorksOnce Cere already did that to him]]), and why he'd eventually develop fully into a NoNonsenseNemesis the closer to the Original Trilogy we get; if Obi-Wan was a lesson in humility, Cere was a lesson in the consequences of recklessness and underestimating even someone you consider beneath you.
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* Hate leads to suffering: In trying to protect his daughter, he's physically hurt and almost killed her, he's betrayed and/or killed so many people, some of which genuinely considered him a friend, and he dies alone as his daughter's become disillusioned with him and his former friends who ended up killing him have nothing but anger and disappointment in his betrayal and the man he's become.
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* Bode getting a lightsaber by taking it from Dagan Gera's corpse serves as a contrast to how Cal got his lightsaber. Both Cal and Bode were survivors of Order 66 and it's likely that like Cal, Bode lost his lightsaber when the Order went down or if not, he got rid of or hid his lightsaber to fake his death like most other survivors to better hide from the Empire. Cal and Bode got a new lightsaber from a recently murdered Jedi Masters (Jaro Tapal in Cal's case, Dagan Gera in Bode's case) and both lightsabers were even originally [[DoubleWeapon double-bladed]] and were used as such before they were killed. The difference is that Cal's [[TakeUpMySword lightsaber was given to him by Jaro Tapal before he died]], while Bode [[RobbingtheDead stole Dagan's lightsaber]] from his dead body after he and Cal killed him.
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* Bode getting a lightsaber by taking it from Dagan Gera's corpse serves as a contrast to how Cal got his lightsaber. Both Cal and Bode were survivors of Order 66 and it's likely that like Cal, Bode lost his lightsaber when the Order went down or if not, he got rid of or hid his lightsaber to fake his death like most other survivors to better hide from the Empire. Both Cal and Bode got a new lightsaber from a recently murdered Jedi Masters (Jaro Tapal in Cal's case, Dagan Gera in Bode's case) and both lightsabers were even originally [[DoubleWeapon double-bladed]] and were used as such before they were killed. The difference is that Cal's [[TakeUpMySword lightsaber was given to him by Jaro Tapal before he died]], while Bode [[RobbingtheDead stole Dagan's lightsaber]] from his dead body after he and Cal killed him.him.
* Bode's turn to TheDarkSide is a classic example of how most Jedi fall to the Dark Side.
** Fear leads to anger: he feared losing his daughter so much that he got lost in a paranoid rage trying to protect her.
** Anger leads to hate: he gets so angry trying to protect his daughter that he tries to kill Cal and Merrin with murderous hate.
* Hate leads to suffering: In trying to protect his daughter, he's physically hurt and almost killed her, he's betrayed and/or killed so many people, some of which genuinely considered him a friend, and he dies alone as his daughter's become disillusioned with him and his former friends who ended up killing him have nothing but anger and disappointment in his betrayal and the man he's become.
* Bode's turn to TheDarkSide is a classic example of how most Jedi fall to the Dark Side.
** Fear leads to anger: he feared losing his daughter so much that he got lost in a paranoid rage trying to protect her.
** Anger leads to hate: he gets so angry trying to protect his daughter that he tries to kill Cal and Merrin with murderous hate.
* Hate leads to suffering: In trying to protect his daughter, he's physically hurt and almost killed her, he's betrayed and/or killed so many people, some of which genuinely considered him a friend, and he dies alone as his daughter's become disillusioned with him and his former friends who ended up killing him have nothing but anger and disappointment in his betrayal and the man he's become.
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* Bode getting a lightsaber by taking it from Dagan Gera's corpse serves as a contrast to how Cal got his lightsaber. Both Cal and Bode were survivors of Order 66 and it's likely that like Cal, Bode lost his lightsaber when the Order went down or if not, he got rid of or hid his lightsaber to fake his death like most other survivors to better hide from the Empire. Cal and Bode got a new lightsaber from a recently murdered Jedi Masters (Jaro Tapal in Cal's case, Dagan Gera in Bode's case) and both lightsabers were even originally [[DoubleWeapon double-bladed]] and were used as such before they were killed. The difference is that Cal's [[TakeUpMySword lightsaber was given to him by Jaro Tapal before he died]], while Bode [[RobbingtheDead stole Dagan's lightsaber]] from his dead body after he and Cal killed him.
* Bode getting a lightsaber by taking it from Dagan Gera's corpse serves as a contrast to how Cal got his lightsaber. Both Cal and Bode were survivors of Order 66 and it's likely that like Cal, Bode lost his lightsaber when the Order went down or if not, he got rid of or hid his lightsaber to fake his death like most other survivors to better hide from the Empire. Cal and Bode got a new lightsaber from a recently murdered Jedi Masters (Jaro Tapal in Cal's case, Dagan Gera in Bode's case) and both lightsabers were even originally [[DoubleWeapon double-bladed]] and were used as such before they were killed. The difference is that Cal's [[TakeUpMySword lightsaber was given to him by Jaro Tapal before he died]], while Bode [[RobbingtheDead stole Dagan's lightsaber]] from his dead body after he and Cal killed him.
