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* Paine fits very well into the astronomical theme of the original party and their Celestial Weapons. Tidus and Yuna represent the Sun and Moon, while the rest of the party represent the five planets that have been known since antiquity. Paine continues the theme by representing Uranus. She has existed in the world but didn't become known to the rest of the party until later, just as Uranus is sometimes visible with the naked eye but escaped notice prior to the telescope.
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* Paine fits very well into the astronomical theme of the original party and their Celestial Weapons. Tidus and Yuna represent the Sun and Moon, while the rest of the party represent the five planets that have been known since antiquity. Paine continues the theme by representing Uranus. She has existed in the world but didn't become known to the rest of the party until later, just as Uranus is sometimes visible with the naked eye but escaped notice prior to the telescope. This is reinforced when Paine says that she sang the Hymn of the Fayth with the rest of Spira during the final battle against Sin.
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* Leblanc was only caught in the opening because she decided to put on a highly public concert. If she didn't do that, or if she had actually managed to escape from YRP, this could have gotten very ugly, very quickly. Leblanc is portrayed as a joke, but she is still a powerful crime boss in possession of a piece of equipment capable of transforming her into an exact duplicate of the incredibly beautiful, incredibly famous, and incredibly beloved High Summoner of New Yevon. The damage she could have caused to both Spira and Yuna's reputation is incalculable. And worse, there is actually nothing stopping this from happening again, or indeed, to Rikku and Paine if literally all that is required is to mug them of their garment grids. Rikku especially given her status as daughter of the Al Bhed leader and Yuna's cousin is a target almost as tempting as Yuna herself.
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* Why did the creators of Vegnagun never use it against Sin? It would seem to me that using the continent-destroying superweapon against the local equivalent of Godzilla would be the smart thing to do in order to prevent all the mass destruction and chaos that Sin was causing. We see in one of the flashbacks that Vegnagun's main weapon is unbelievably powerful and capable of planetary-level destruction, so it would seem ideal for taking out Sin and Yevon.
** Several reasons. First of all, it is highly unpredictable. Once it is activated it can't distinguish between its enemies. So they might make it go after Sin but it could turn around and destroy the rest of Spira. Also it's been hidden underneath Bevelle for over a thousand years so very few people knew about it. And also Yevon have been spouting the "machina are bad" laws for years. If Sin doesn't get destroyed then they're exposed as hypocrites.
** Not to mention that by the time the religion of Yevon was established, they didn't really want Sin to be killed forever.
** Because Vegnagun could easily prove to be worse than Sin. Sure, they could destroy Sin with it, but they might destroy the whole world in the process. CrossingTheStreams is something you simply do not attempt- Sin may kill a lot of people, but at least there will be survivors, which there might not be after Vegnagun's rampage is over.
*** Putting it another way: Sin is manageable. Send Summoners to be a form of sacrifice; bam, a few years of peace. Vegnagun could theoretically permakill Sin, but especially for people like those of Yevon, they'd rather deal with a practical natural disaster on-off and force summoners to sacrifice themselves for peace than unleash what is essentially a potential nuke: if it doesn't go how you want it, well... the world ends.
* Why is Shuyin's spirit stuck in the Den of Woe? Initial theories pretty much came down to 'he was buried/killed there.' No, Vegnagun was in Bevelle, and he and Lenne were shot right in front of it. Why would they bury the guy in a cave that's nearly 3/4 of the entire map of Spira away?
** The Bevelle authorities knew Shuyin's enormous [[ThePowerOfHate hatred-based willpower]] (that it can resist even the most elaborate sending ceremony) can haunt Spira for a very long time, so they were CrazyPrepared to contain his body and unsent soul in an obscure place instead of simply sending it to the Farplane.
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* Many NPCs from the original game are affiliated with either New Yevon or the Youth League. Lucil and Elma are part of the latter group, and most nameless Youth League NPCs reuse stock Crusader character models. Nobody says so explicitly, but this is just as natural as most New Yevon randos using warrior monk and cleric models. ''No'' Crusader who made it through Operation Mi'ihen alive would join a group still using Yevon's name.
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* Many NPCs from the original game are affiliated with either New Yevon or the Youth League. Lucil and Elma are part of the latter group, and most nameless Youth League NPCs reuse stock Crusader character models. Nobody says so explicitly, but this is just as natural as most New Yevon randos using warrior monk and cleric models. ''No'' Crusader who made it through Operation Mi'ihen alive would join a group still using Yevon's name.
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* Let's go over a few facts; Tidus is a dream of the fayth, he looks identical to Shuyin, Shuyin sneaked behind [[TrappedBehindEnemyLines enemy lines]] to get a WMD so he could save Lenne proving that he'll do anything to keep her safe, Lenne was a Summoner (ergo she was powerful) so she would be sent to the front lines in the war (with no guarantee of her safety), Yuna looks a lot like her and was in a similar scenario...Tidus pulled out all the stops to save her when he learned the truth about [[HeroicSacrifice the Final Summoning]], Sounds a lot like Shuyin...doesn't he? The ''brilliance'' here is the possibility that Tidus may have been the dream version of Shuyin. However it ''really'' hits you when you remember that Tidus was basically a [[LaserGuidedTykeBomb plan the fayth came up with to end Sin's cycle]], could the fayth really have planned out Tidus meeting Yuna (who is ''again'' Lenne's look alike...or is it the other way around), falling in love with her, and finally giving up his life so she would live, cuz lets face it; saving Yuna was his driving force --Ryuki
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* Let's go over a few facts; Tidus is a dream of the fayth, he looks identical to Shuyin, Shuyin sneaked behind [[TrappedBehindEnemyLines enemy lines]] to get a WMD so he could save Lenne proving that he'll do anything to keep her safe, Lenne was a Summoner (ergo she was powerful) so she would be sent to the front lines in the war (with no guarantee of her safety), Yuna looks a lot like her and was in a similar scenario...Tidus pulled out all the stops to save her when he learned the truth about [[HeroicSacrifice the Final Summoning]], Sounds a lot like Shuyin...doesn't he? The ''brilliance'' here is the possibility that Tidus may have been the dream version of Shuyin. However it ''really'' hits you when you remember that Tidus was basically a [[LaserGuidedTykeBomb plan the fayth came up with to end Sin's cycle]], could the fayth really have planned out Tidus meeting Yuna (who is ''again'' Lenne's look alike...or is it the other way around), falling in love with her, and finally giving up his life so she would live, cuz lets face it; saving Yuna was his driving force --Ryukiforce.
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** After thinking about it some more I came up with another idea; what if the faith didn't just plan out the first game, but the second one too? Think about; Yuna see ''one'' sphere about a guy who kinda looks and sounds like (but as we find out later he doesn't just ''kinda'' look like Tidus) saying he wanted to save the "summoner"...really...just what are the chances that seeing that ''one'' sphere would lead her to save the world ''again'', now can anyone say this adventure would have happened had she never met Tidus. Now i'm not sold on the idea, but come on, if they really did plan out that far ahead it would be pretty badass. --Ryuki
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** After thinking about it some more I came up with another idea; what if the faith didn't just plan out the first game, but the second one too? Think about; Yuna see ''one'' sphere about a guy who kinda looks and sounds like (but as we find out later he doesn't just ''kinda'' look like Tidus) saying he wanted to save the "summoner"...really...just what are the chances that seeing that ''one'' sphere would lead her to save the world ''again'', now can anyone say this adventure would have happened had she never met Tidus. Now i'm not sold on the idea, but come on, if they really did plan out that far ahead it would be pretty badass. --Ryuki
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** Paine is also the only playable character that wasn't in the first game. Uranus is also the only planet named after a Greek deity, while the rest are all Roman ones.
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** Wakka and Lulu had just as much to do with defeating Sin as Rikku and yet no one is travelling to Besaid to meet them either. And then there is poor Kimahri who seems to be getting no outside support whatsoever as Elder Ronso despite his role technically making him a world leader. Compare this to Auron who was known as the ''Legendary Guardian'' and was both recognised and idolised during Yuna's pilgrimage. Post-Yevon Spira just seems to be kind of ungrateful in general, and Yuna's status as the ''incredibly beautiful High Summoner superstar singer'' probably did the rest.
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* Why did Lenne transfer joy to Yuna in the Luca scene? Well, aside from wanting her soul sister to be happy, she's seen what can happen to good people if they never let go of their depressed feelings. There's no way in hell she's letting that happen to someone else.
** Similarly, the nightmares/flashbacks can be seen as Lenne desperately trying to warn Yuna about what's going on. Unfortunately, between it being a ''subconscious'' message and Yuna having her own issues, parts of it got garbled (hence the character switching), and the part immediately relevant to present-day conflicts (Shuyin trying to murder everyone) was lost entirely.
** "Real Emotion" becomes more disturbing when you realize it's Lenne singing it. Leblanc sexualized the tune, naturally, but the lyrics are pretty accurate to how Lenne would feel after a thousand years of searching for someone to fix Shuyin.
-->''Every now and then I don't know what to do\\
Still, I know that I [[KilledOffForReal can never go back]]\\
[…] [[FishOutOfTemporalWater Everything's so different that it brings me to my knees!]]''
*** And of course, the title comes from Lenne defying the urge to give into [[PutThemAllOutOfMyMisery emotion]]- to make the same mistake Shuyin made.
** Similarly, the nightmares/flashbacks can be seen as Lenne desperately trying to warn Yuna about what's going on. Unfortunately, between it being a ''subconscious'' message and Yuna having her own issues, parts of it got garbled (hence the character switching), and the part immediately relevant to present-day conflicts (Shuyin trying to murder everyone) was lost entirely.
** "Real Emotion" becomes more disturbing when you realize it's Lenne singing it. Leblanc sexualized the tune, naturally, but the lyrics are pretty accurate to how Lenne would feel after a thousand years of searching for someone to fix Shuyin.
-->''Every now and then I don't know what to do\\
Still, I know that I [[KilledOffForReal can never go back]]\\
[…] [[FishOutOfTemporalWater Everything's so different that it brings me to my knees!]]''
*** And of course, the title comes from Lenne defying the urge to give into [[PutThemAllOutOfMyMisery emotion]]- to make the same mistake Shuyin made.
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* An interpretation for Baralai becoming the New Yevon praetor. He seems to want New Yevon to atone for the mistakes the old one made. Possibly clinging to his faith in the hope that Nooj can somehow atone for what he did. [[spoiler: Which he thankfully does]].
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* An interpretation for Baralai becoming the New Yevon praetor. He seems to want New Yevon to atone for the mistakes the old one made. Possibly clinging to his faith in the hope that Nooj can somehow atone for what he did. [[spoiler: Which he thankfully does]].does.
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** I'm skeptical. It's pretty much outright stated that [[spoiler:the Black Mage dressphere is a sphere of Maechen's memories from before the Machina War.]] In this case, it's more likely that they're very similar to recording spheres, but convey abilities and probably feelings of the person whose memories the sphere contains.
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** I'm skeptical. It's pretty much outright stated that [[spoiler:the the Black Mage dressphere is a sphere of Maechen's memories from before the Machina War.]] War. In this case, it's more likely that they're very similar to recording spheres, but convey abilities and probably feelings of the person whose memories the sphere contains.
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*** Which means that not only did the fayth plan everything to save Spira (twice!), but in the process they managed to reward Shuyin and Lenne after their sacrifice by both reuniting them ''and'' allowing their dreamworld/descendant [[{{Expy}} Expies]] to be together too. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming as well as badass, and a fitting gesture of gratitude for being freed to finally rest.
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*** Which means that not only did the fayth plan everything to save Spira (twice!), but in the process they managed to reward Shuyin and Lenne after their sacrifice by both reuniting them ''and'' allowing their dreamworld/descendant [[{{Expy}} Expies]] to be together too. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments as well as badass, and a fitting gesture of gratitude for being freed to finally rest.
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* Baralai's attitude towards Nooj's apparent betrayal makes even more sense if you realise that it happened around the same time Yevon as a whole got exposed as {{Hypocrites}}. Baralai had to go through two separate traumas one after the other, resulting in serious BreakTheCutie.
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* Why does Yuna alternate between singing with Hedy Burress's voice and [[NonSingingVoice Jade Villalon]]? Any time she sings with the latter, it's due to Lenne's spirit taking influence. When she sings in battle or for the Gullwings, Lenne is dormant. So Jade Villalon's singing is really Lenne's voice.
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*** Putting it another way: Sin is manageable. Send Summoners to be a form of sacrifice; bam, a few years of peace. Vegnagun could theoretically permakill Sin, but especially for people like those of Yevon, they'd rather deal with a practical natural disaster on-off and force summoners to sacrifice themselves for peace than unleash what is essentially a potential nuke: if it doesn't go how you want it, well... the world ends.
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** It's kind of interesting that this sounds very similar to the way Jobs are handled in [[FinalFantasyXIV FFXIV]]. Anyone can have the base trappings of a classic Final Fantasy class (a staff to cast spells with, a lance to poke things with, all that), but you only become one of the standard Final Fantasy JOBS when you equip the appropriate Soul Stone, upon which are inscribed the deeds of past users of that Soul Stone, and without which you can't use any of the related Job's abilities. Swapping between Jobs requires you change your weapon (and Soul Stone) out, and often involves a complete swap of your outfit, to gear more appropriate for the class.
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* But the Fayth, while powerful, needed a little help. So you have the ''other'' pillars of the plan; Auron, who was just TooCoolToLive, too badass to die, and too angry to let Yevon's scheming fail his friends' children, and Jecht who was ReforgedIntoAMinion, but was still FightingFromTheInside enough to give Auron, Yuna, and Tidus a chance to destroy the monster he became. It took all of that to [[TakingYouWithMe destroy Yevon and the entire scheme, finally freeing them from their undead state.]]
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** After thinking about it some more I came up with another idea; what if the faith didn't just plan out the first game, but the second one too? Think about; Yuna see ''one'' sphere about a guy who kinda looks and sounds like (but as we find out later he doesn't just ''kinda'' look like Tidus) saying he wanted to save the "summoner"...really...just what are the chances that seeing that ''one'' sphere would lead her to save the world ''again'', now can anyone say this adventure would have happened had she never met Tidus. Now i'm not sold on the idea, but come on, if they really did plan out that far ahead it would be pretty BadAss. --Ryuki
*** Which means that not only did the fayth plan everything to save Spira (twice!), but in the process they managed to reward Shuyin and Lenne after their sacrifice by both reuniting them ''and'' allowing their dreamworld/descendant [[{{Expy}} Expies]] to be together too. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming as well as BadAss, and a fitting gesture of gratitude for being freed to finally rest.
*** Which means that not only did the fayth plan everything to save Spira (twice!), but in the process they managed to reward Shuyin and Lenne after their sacrifice by both reuniting them ''and'' allowing their dreamworld/descendant [[{{Expy}} Expies]] to be together too. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming as well as BadAss, and a fitting gesture of gratitude for being freed to finally rest.
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** After thinking about it some more I came up with another idea; what if the faith didn't just plan out the first game, but the second one too? Think about; Yuna see ''one'' sphere about a guy who kinda looks and sounds like (but as we find out later he doesn't just ''kinda'' look like Tidus) saying he wanted to save the "summoner"...really...just what are the chances that seeing that ''one'' sphere would lead her to save the world ''again'', now can anyone say this adventure would have happened had she never met Tidus. Now i'm not sold on the idea, but come on, if they really did plan out that far ahead it would be pretty BadAss.badass. --Ryuki
*** Which means that not only did the fayth plan everything to save Spira (twice!), but in the process they managed to reward Shuyin and Lenne after their sacrifice by both reuniting them ''and'' allowing their dreamworld/descendant [[{{Expy}} Expies]] to be together too. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming as well asBadAss, badass, and a fitting gesture of gratitude for being freed to finally rest.
*** Which means that not only did the fayth plan everything to save Spira (twice!), but in the process they managed to reward Shuyin and Lenne after their sacrifice by both reuniting them ''and'' allowing their dreamworld/descendant [[{{Expy}} Expies]] to be together too. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming as well as