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* SpiritualSuccessor: As noted above, to ''Film/{{Diner}}''. The films even share a character, Bagel, the tin man played in both movies by Michael Tucker.
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* ''{{Series/Bonanza}}'': Sam is obsessed with this show, or rather, obsessed with pointing out how unrealistic it is.
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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: BB. He engages in some pretty unethical scams in his job, and what he does to Tilley is pretty harsh as well. However, he does genuinely care for Moe (even [[spoiler: protecting him from the government's investigation]]), and grows to care for Nora.
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* PistolWhipping: Tilley does this to BB when he catches BB sneaking into his house. Turns out BB was looking for Nora.
** CoolAndUnusualPunishment: Tilley then throws eggs and tomatoes at BB to humiliate him, and gets charged with assault as a result.
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* PistolWhipping: Tilley does this to BB when he catches BB sneaking into his house. Turns out BB was looking for Nora.
** CoolAndUnusualPunishment:Nora. Tilley then throws eggs and tomatoes at BB to humiliate him, and gets charged with assault as a result.
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* EarWorm: InUniverse: Mouse plays "La Bamba" on the jukebox of every place he goes, much to Tilley's annoyance.
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* GenreSavvy: BB. He sees the government investigators are eventually going to affect his business, so he starts looking for another option.
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* HeyItsThatGuy: [[{{Frasier}} Martin Crane]] is BB's partner.
** [[GoodMorningVietnam Sgt. Major Dickerson and Sgt. Hauk]] are Tilley's boss and one of his co-workers, respectively.
** [[HomicideLifeOnTheStreet Gaffney]] is the car salesman at the beginning.
** [[GoodMorningVietnam Sgt. Major Dickerson and Sgt. Hauk]] are Tilley's boss and one of his co-workers, respectively.
** [[HomicideLifeOnTheStreet Gaffney]] is the car salesman at the beginning.
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* {{Hypocrite}}: At Tilley's first testifying at the Home Improvement Commission hearings, he points out people who sell suits at department stores, and claim the suit looks good on the customer when it doesn't, deceived customers more than tin men do, yet the government doesn't seem to be up in arms about that.
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* {{Hypocrite}}: At Tilley's When Tilley first testifying testifies at the Home Improvement Commission hearings, he points out people who sell suits at department stores, and claim the suit looks good on the customer when it doesn't, deceived customers more than tin men do, yet the government doesn't seem to be up in arms about that.
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* TheTell: Discussed. Moe tells Stanley the best way to tell if a customer will be an easy sell or a hard sell is to drop a book of matches when you're trying to light a cigarette for yourself; if the customer picks up the matches for you, they're an easy sell, but if they wait for you to pick up the matches, they're a tough sell.
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** CoolAndUnusualPunishment: Tilley then throws eggs and tomatoes at BB to humiliate him, and gets charged with assault as a result.
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* TapOnTheHead: When BB goes to Tilley's house to try and get Nora back, Tilley thinks BB is trying to break in and steal something, so he hits BB over the head with a gun.
** CoolAndUnusualPunishment: Tilley then throws eggs and tomatoes at BB to humiliate him, and gets charged with assault as a result.
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* {{Hypocrite}}: At Tilley's first testifying at the Home Improvement Commission hearings, he points out people who sell suits at department stores, and claim the suit looks good on the customer when it doesn't, deceived customers more than tin men do, yet the government doesn't seem to be up in arms about that.
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* OvercomplicatedMenuOrder: BB and Tilley's friends try to get BB and Tilley to make peace with each other by taking them out to breakfast; however, BB becomes so frustrated at Tilley taking so long to order breakfast that they start up their feud again.
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* OvercomplicatedMenuOrder: BB Bagel and Tilley's friends Sam try to get BB and Tilley to make peace with each other by taking them out to breakfast; however, BB becomes so frustrated at Tilley taking so long to order breakfast (specifically, in how the eggs are cooked) that they start up their feud again.
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-->'''BB:''' You know what your big problem is, [[spoiler: Stanley]]? You're lazy. You wanna find out some stuff? Did it ever occur to you to pick up a phone and develop a lead, huh? Canvas? That's what we do all the time. It doesn't occur to you, does it, [[spoiler: Stanley]]? Because you're lazy. You think we did something wrong, why don't you collect you evidence in a legal manner? But you don't like that, do you? You wanna snoop around, you wanna steal some files. I mean, what is this, [[Series/TheUntouchables Elliot Ness]] or something?
* RunningGag: Every time BB gets a new car, something happens to it.
* RunningGag: Every time BB gets a new car, something happens to it.
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* TapOnTheHead: When BB goes to Tilley's house to try and get Nora back, Tilley thinks BB is trying to break in and steal something, so he hits BB over the head with a gun.
** CoolAndUnusualPunishment: Tilley then throws eggs and tomatoes at BB to humiliate him, and gets charged with assault as a result.
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* EarWorm: InUniverse: Mouse plays "La Bamba" on the jukebox of every place he goes, much to Tilley's annoyance.
* {{Foreshadowing}}: BB taking notice on how well car salesmen do.
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* PlatonicLifePartners: BB and Moe; Tilley and Sam.
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* UnsatisfiableCustomer: Tilley is one of these, which blows the attempts of BB and Tilley's friends to get BB and Tilley to make peace with each other out of the water; BB becomes so frustrated at Tilley taking so long to order breakfast that they start up their feud again.
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''Tin Men'' is a 1987 comedy-drama from writer/director BarryLevinson that stars Creator/RichardDreyfuss, Creator/DannyDeVito, and Barbara Hershey.
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''Tin Men'' is a 1987 comedy-drama from writer/director BarryLevinson Creator/BarryLevinson that stars Creator/RichardDreyfuss, Creator/DannyDeVito, and Barbara Hershey.
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* ''{{Bonanza}}'': Sam is obsessed with this show, or rather, obsessed with pointing out how unrealistic it is.
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* ''{{Bonanza}}'': ''{{Series/Bonanza}}'': Sam is obsessed with this show, or rather, obsessed with pointing out how unrealistic it is.
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* PistolWhipped: Tilley does this to BB when he catches BB sneaking into his house. Turns out BB was looking for Nora.
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* BenevolentBoss: Wing. Even when he has [[spoiler: fire Tilley]], he still gives him money to tide him over.
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* UnsatisfiableCustomer: Tilley is one of these, which blows the attempts of BB and Tilley's friends to make peace with each other out of the water; BB becomes so frustrated at Tilley taking so long to order breakfast that they start up their feud again.
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* UnsatisfiableCustomer: Tilley is one of these, which blows the attempts of BB and Tilley's friends to get BB and Tilley to make peace with each other out of the water; BB becomes so frustrated at Tilley taking so long to order breakfast that they start up their feud again.
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->'''Looney:''' You and your lovely wife might have been asking yourself, "Exactly what are the benefits of aluminum siding?"
->'''Cheese:''' It won't chip, peel, blister, crack, flake or rust in any way.
->'''Gil:''' The only maintenance you'll ever have is to wash it down twice a year with a hose.
->'''Mouse:''' It affords much greater insulation, which means it cuts down on your heating bills.
->'''Gil:''' I'll tell you what; only on this sale, I'll throw in a garden hose on this sale.
->'''Mouse:''' Let's do some business.
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->'''Cheese:''' It won't chip, peel, blister, crack, flake or rust in any way.
->'''Gil:''' The only maintenance you'll ever have is to wash it down twice a year with a hose.
->'''Mouse:''' It affords much greater insulation, which means it cuts down on your heating bills.
->'''Gil:''' I'll tell you what; only on this sale, I'll throw in a garden hose on this sale.
->'''Mouse:''' Let's do some business.
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* BenevolentBoss: Wing. Even when he has [[spoiler: fire Tilley]], he still gives him money to tide him over.
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* SnakeOilSalesman: All of the characters are this, which is why they're under investigation.
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* GenreSavvy: BB. He sees the government investigators are eventually going to affect his business, so he starts looking for another option.
* HollywoodHeartAttack: Moe, though it's ultimately averted by the fact he doesn't die from it.
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* SeriousBusiness: Some of BB and Tilley's co-workers take the two to breakfast in order to stop their EscalatingWar. It doesn't work because Tilley considers ordering breakfast to be SeriousBusiness, and BB gets so frustrated with Tilley taking too long to order something that he and Tilley start all over again.
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* UnsatisfiableCustomer: Tilley is one of these, which blows the attempts of BB and Tilley's friends to make peace with each other out of the water; BB becomes so frustrated at Tilley taking so long to order breakfast that they start up their feud again.
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The title is a slang term for aluminum siding salesmen, which both Bill "BB" Babowsky (Dreyfus) and Ernest Tilley ([=DeVito=]) are, for different firms in 1963 Baltimore. Early in the film, BB buys a new car, only to be immediately rear-ended by Tilley as he's backing out of the lot. The two immediately get into an argument, and it eventually leads to an EscalatingWar between the two, which includes BB seducing Tilley's wife Nora (Hershey). The film also shows the lengths salesmen go to get a sale, which leads to a government investigation.
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The title is a slang term for aluminum siding salesmen, which both Bill "BB" Babowsky (Dreyfus) (Dreyfuss) and Ernest Tilley ([=DeVito=]) are, for different firms in 1963 Baltimore. Early in the film, BB buys a new car, only to be immediately rear-ended by Tilley as he's backing out of the lot. The two immediately get into an argument, and it eventually leads to an EscalatingWar between the two, which includes BB seducing Tilley's wife Nora (Hershey). The film also shows the lengths salesmen go to get a sale, which leads to a government investigation.
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''Tin Men'' is a 1987 comedy-drama from writer/director Barry Levinson that stars Richard Dreyfus, Danny [=DeVito=] and Barbara Hershey.
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''Tin Men'' is a 1987 comedy-drama from writer/director Barry Levinson BarryLevinson that stars Richard Dreyfus, Danny [=DeVito=] Creator/RichardDreyfuss, Creator/DannyDeVito, and Barbara Hershey.
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* AnachronismStew: The Fine Young Cannibals are the band playing at any of the bars the characters go to. To be fair, the songs they perform ("Good Thing", "Hard as it Is", "Social Security", and "Tell Me What") at least attempt to sound period, but still.
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* MarriedToTheJob: Tilley. It's part of the reason why Nora so eagerly enters into an affair with BB, as she's starved for affection.
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** [[HomicideLifeOnTheStreet Gaffney]] is the car salesman at the beginning.
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* HollywoodHomely: Nora.
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This is the second in Levinson's Baltimore trilogy (following ''Film/Diner''), and like the previous film, was well received for its SeinfeldianConversation and its performances.
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* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Film/Diner''. The films even share a character, Bagel, the tin man played in both movies by Michael Tucker.
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''Tin Men'' is a 1987 comedy-drama from writer/director Barry Levinson that stars Richard Dreyfus, Danny [=DeVito=] and Barbara Hershey.
The title is a slang term for aluminum siding salesmen, which both Bill "BB" Babowsky (Dreyfus) and Ernest Tilley ([=DeVito=]) are, for different firms in 1963 Baltimore. Early in the film, BB buys a new car, only to be immediately rear-ended by Tilley as he's backing out of the lot. The two immediately get into an argument, and it eventually leads to an EscalatingWar between the two, which includes BB seducing Tilley's wife Nora (Hershey). The film also shows the lengths salesmen go to get a sale, which leads to a government investigation.
This is the second in Levinson's Baltimore trilogy (following ''Film/Diner''), and like the previous film, was well received for its SeinfeldianConversation and its performances.
This film contains examples of:
* BeforeAndAfterPictures: One of the scams BB and Moe use is to pretend to be photographers from ''Life'' magazine who are taking pictures of a house before it installs aluminum siding. Naturally, the homeowner would rather be the house in the "after" picture...
* ''{{Bonanza}}'': Sam is obsessed with this show, or rather, obsessed with pointing out how unrealistic it is.
* TheCasanova: BB is somewhere between this and a LovableRogue, especially when he turns his sights on Nora.
-->'''Moe:''' (''watching admiringly as BB charms Nora at their first meeting'') He's got the gift.
* HeyItsThatGuy: [[{{Frasier}} Martin Crane]] is BB's partner.
** [[GoodMorningVietnam Sgt. Major Dickerson and Sgt. Hauk]] are Tilley's boss and one of his co-workers, respectively.
* HollywoodHomely: Nora.
* LovableRogue: Most of the salesmen - especially BB - except for Tilley.
* TheMole: [[spoiler: Stanley]]
* OnlyKnownByTheirNickname: BB; also, probably Cheese and Mouse.
* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Film/Diner''. The films even share a character, Bagel, the tin man played in both movies by Michael Tucker.
* WoundedGazelleGambit: BB pretends to be a widower out food shopping to charm Nora when they first meet.
The title is a slang term for aluminum siding salesmen, which both Bill "BB" Babowsky (Dreyfus) and Ernest Tilley ([=DeVito=]) are, for different firms in 1963 Baltimore. Early in the film, BB buys a new car, only to be immediately rear-ended by Tilley as he's backing out of the lot. The two immediately get into an argument, and it eventually leads to an EscalatingWar between the two, which includes BB seducing Tilley's wife Nora (Hershey). The film also shows the lengths salesmen go to get a sale, which leads to a government investigation.
This is the second in Levinson's Baltimore trilogy (following ''Film/Diner''), and like the previous film, was well received for its SeinfeldianConversation and its performances.
This film contains examples of:
* BeforeAndAfterPictures: One of the scams BB and Moe use is to pretend to be photographers from ''Life'' magazine who are taking pictures of a house before it installs aluminum siding. Naturally, the homeowner would rather be the house in the "after" picture...
* ''{{Bonanza}}'': Sam is obsessed with this show, or rather, obsessed with pointing out how unrealistic it is.
* TheCasanova: BB is somewhere between this and a LovableRogue, especially when he turns his sights on Nora.
-->'''Moe:''' (''watching admiringly as BB charms Nora at their first meeting'') He's got the gift.
* HeyItsThatGuy: [[{{Frasier}} Martin Crane]] is BB's partner.
** [[GoodMorningVietnam Sgt. Major Dickerson and Sgt. Hauk]] are Tilley's boss and one of his co-workers, respectively.
* HollywoodHomely: Nora.
* LovableRogue: Most of the salesmen - especially BB - except for Tilley.
* TheMole: [[spoiler: Stanley]]
* OnlyKnownByTheirNickname: BB; also, probably Cheese and Mouse.
* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Film/Diner''. The films even share a character, Bagel, the tin man played in both movies by Michael Tucker.
* WoundedGazelleGambit: BB pretends to be a widower out food shopping to charm Nora when they first meet.
