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* TheWomenAreSaferWithUs: Joan's sister is murdered and raped ([[ILoveTheDead in that grisly order]]) by the villainous English knight. There's no record, by the way, of this having happened.
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* TheWomenAreSaferWithUs: TheWomenAreSafeWithUs: Joan's sister is murdered and raped ([[ILoveTheDead in that grisly order]]) by the villainous English knight. There's no record, by the way, of this having happened.
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->''France is going through the [[DarkestHour darkest period of its history.]]''
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->''France is going through the [[DarkestHour darkest period of its history.]]''''
* BowsVersusCrossbows: Inverted, as the protagonists are French and have crossbowmen and their enemies bow-wielding English.
* AChatWithSatan: Dustin Hoffman plays Joan's conscience made flesh as she awaits execution by the English. He questions her belief in her "vision" and debates with her the righteousness of her mission.
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* {{Demythification}}: This is a borderline case, however, as more than one interpretation is offered for the Visions, and indeed implied [[{{Satan}} for 'the Conscience']]. Of course, since Joan of Arc was definitely a real person, The Messenger might also be accused of going the opposite route and adding fantastic elements (though this gets into a tricky theological debate).
* GenreDeconstruction: The movie plays out the way the true Joan of Arc story went until she is captured by the English, at which point it deconstructs the entire mythology surrounding Joan of Arc.
* GiveMeASign: Joan finds a sword in a field and decides that it's a message from God. Her anthropomorphized sense of conscience questions her on how she could know that it didn't end up there [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane simply by chance]].
* GoodFortuneFromGod: Jeanne claims the sword she found in a field was a gift from God. Later, when she's in prison, her conscience reminds her that there are [[OccamsRazor many mundane ways a sword could have gotten in that field.]]
* GoodFortuneFromGod: Jeanne claims the sword she found in a field was a gift from God. Later, when she's in prison, her conscience reminds her that there are [[OccamsRazor many mundane ways a sword could have gotten in that field.]]
* HarmfulToMinors: A young Joan witnesses her sister murdered then raped (yes, in that order). This leads to her either going crazy or being touched by God.
* ILoveTheDead: English soldiers attempt to rape Jeanne's elder sister, but she resists, so they kill her and then rape her, all while Jeanne watches in hiding.
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* RecycledInSpace: The film could be said to be ''Film/ApocalypseNow'' in medieval France.
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* SameContentDifferentRating: Due to growing concerns about the portrayal of sexual violence in films, the BBFC raised the rating of the movie from 15 to 18 in 2020 due to a scene where Joan's sister is raped.
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* SiegeEngines: Seen in the form of a multiple-arrow launcher.
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* TheWomenAreSaferWithUs: Joan's sister is murdered and raped ([[ILoveTheDead in that grisly order]]) by the villainous English knight. There's no record, by the way, of this having happened.
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->''France is going through the [[DarkestHour darkest period of its history.]]''
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->''France is going through the [[DarkestHour darkest period of its history.]]''''
* BowsVersusCrossbows: Inverted, as the protagonists are French and have crossbowmen and their enemies bow-wielding English.
* AChatWithSatan: Dustin Hoffman plays Joan's conscience made flesh as she awaits execution by the English. He questions her belief in her "vision" and debates with her the righteousness of her mission.
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* {{Demythification}}: This is a borderline case, however, as more than one interpretation is offered for the Visions, and indeed implied [[{{Satan}} for 'the Conscience']]. Of course, since Joan of Arc was definitely a real person, The Messenger might also be accused of going the opposite route and adding fantastic elements (though this gets into a tricky theological debate).
* GenreDeconstruction: The movie plays out the way the true Joan of Arc story went until she is captured by the English, at which point it deconstructs the entire mythology surrounding Joan of Arc.
* GiveMeASign: Joan finds a sword in a field and decides that it's a message from God. Her anthropomorphized sense of conscience questions her on how she could know that it didn't end up there [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane simply by chance]].
* GoodFortuneFromGod: Jeanne claims the sword she found in a field was a gift from God. Later, when she's in prison, her conscience reminds her that there are [[OccamsRazor many mundane ways a sword could have gotten in that field.]]
* GoodFortuneFromGod: Jeanne claims the sword she found in a field was a gift from God. Later, when she's in prison, her conscience reminds her that there are [[OccamsRazor many mundane ways a sword could have gotten in that field.]]
* HarmfulToMinors: A young Joan witnesses her sister murdered then raped (yes, in that order). This leads to her either going crazy or being touched by God.
* ILoveTheDead: English soldiers attempt to rape Jeanne's elder sister, but she resists, so they kill her and then rape her, all while Jeanne watches in hiding.
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* RecycledInSpace: The film could be said to be ''Film/ApocalypseNow'' in medieval France.
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* SameContentDifferentRating: Due to growing concerns about the portrayal of sexual violence in films, the BBFC raised the rating of the movie from 15 to 18 in 2020 due to a scene where Joan's sister is raped.
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* SiegeEngines: Seen in the form of a multiple-arrow launcher.
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* TheWomenAreSaferWithUs: Joan's sister is murdered and raped ([[ILoveTheDead in that grisly order]]) by the villainous English knight. There's no record, by the way, of this having happened.
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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 epic medieval film by Creator/LucBesson for Creator/{{Gaumont}} about UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc. It was released by Creator/ColumbiaPictures in North America, and by Creator/{{Disney}} under Gaumont Buena Vista International in France.
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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 epic medieval film by Creator/LucBesson for Creator/{{Gaumont}} about UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc. It was released by Creator/ColumbiaPictures in North America, and by Creator/{{Disney}} under Gaumont Buena Vista International Creator/GaumontBuenaVistaInternational in France.
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* TheMessiah: Subverted. It's heavily implied that Jeanne's visions are a result of mental illness, which is a common interpretation of her story these days.
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* TheMessiah: MessianicArchetype: Subverted. It's heavily implied that Jeanne's visions are a result of mental illness, which is a common interpretation of her story these days.
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Not to the extent of films like ''Film/ThePatriot'', but the English soldiers are either foul-mouthed scum that murder innocent women and then rape them, or else malevolent and manipulative schemers.
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Not to the extent of films like ''Film/ThePatriot'', ''Film/ThePatriot2000'', but the English soldiers are either foul-mouthed scum that murder innocent women and then rape them, or else malevolent and manipulative schemers.
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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 epic medieval film by Creator/LucBesson about UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc. Creator/MillaJovovich plays the titular heroine, with Creator/JohnMalkovich as Charles VII of France, Creator/FayeDunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Creator/DustinHoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army during UsefulNotes/TheHundredYearsWar, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of ArtisticLicence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story -- thus showing through Joan that war changes people.
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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 epic medieval film by Creator/LucBesson for Creator/{{Gaumont}} about UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc. It was released by Creator/ColumbiaPictures in North America, and by Creator/{{Disney}} under Gaumont Buena Vista International in France.
Creator/MillaJovovich plays the titular heroine, with Creator/JohnMalkovich as Charles VII of France, Creator/FayeDunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Creator/DustinHoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army during UsefulNotes/TheHundredYearsWar, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of ArtisticLicence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story -- thus showing through Joan that war changes people.
Creator/MillaJovovich plays the titular heroine, with Creator/JohnMalkovich as Charles VII of France, Creator/FayeDunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Creator/DustinHoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army during UsefulNotes/TheHundredYearsWar, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of ArtisticLicence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story -- thus showing through Joan that war changes people.
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* HeroesPreferSwords: Jeanne finds a sword which she later carries to battle. Most officers and many ordinary soldiers also carry swords as well. Exceptions among the named characters are La Hire who has [[AnAxeToGrind a huge axe]] and Gilles de Rais who wields [[DualWielding a pair of]] [[EpicFlail morning-stars.]]
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* HeroesPreferSwords: Jeanne finds a sword which she later carries to battle. Most officers and many ordinary soldiers also carry swords as well. Exceptions among the named characters are La Hire who has [[AnAxeToGrind a huge axe]] axe and Gilles de Rais who wields [[DualWielding a pair of]] [[EpicFlail morning-stars.]]
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She was burned in 1431.
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** When Jeanne tried writing a letter to the British, offering them to surrender for a peace treaty, the British commander responds by shouting across the battlefield towards the French: "[[PrecisionFStrike Go FUCK Yourself!]]"... nevermind the F-bomb was first attested to around AD 1475, around 30 years after Jeanne's burning.
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** When Jeanne tried writing a letter to the British, offering them to surrender for a peace treaty, the British commander responds by shouting across the battlefield towards the French: "[[PrecisionFStrike Go FUCK Yourself!]]"... nevermind the F-bomb was first attested to around AD 1475, around 30 over 40 years after Jeanne's burning.
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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 epic medieval film by Creator/LucBesson about UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc. Creator/MillaJovovich plays the titular heroine, with Creator/JohnMalkovich as Charles VII of France, Creator/FayeDunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Creator/DustinHoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of ArtisticLicence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story -- thus showing through Joan that war changes people.
The first half of the film plays out as you'd expect. Then the second half has Dustin Hoffman show up as Joan's conscience -- and {{Deconstruct}} everything about the familiar story. Also be warned of Milla Jovovich ChewingTheScenery.
The first half of the film plays out as you'd expect. Then the second half has Dustin Hoffman show up as Joan's conscience -- and {{Deconstruct}} everything about the familiar story. Also be warned of Milla Jovovich ChewingTheScenery.
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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 epic medieval film by Creator/LucBesson about UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc. Creator/MillaJovovich plays the titular heroine, with Creator/JohnMalkovich as Charles VII of France, Creator/FayeDunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Creator/DustinHoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army, army during UsefulNotes/TheHundredYearsWar, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of ArtisticLicence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story -- thus showing through Joan that war changes people.
The first half of the film plays out as you'd expect. Then the second half has Dustin Hoffman show up as Joan's conscience -- and {{Deconstruct}} everything about the familiar story.Also Also, be warned of Milla Jovovich ChewingTheScenery.
The first half of the film plays out as you'd expect. Then the second half has Dustin Hoffman show up as Joan's conscience -- and {{Deconstruct}} everything about the familiar story.
