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\"the film has Al Pacino\" doesn\'t make it an Adaptation \'\'Distillation\'\'.


* AdaptationDistillation: The novel by Andrew Neiderman is a rather uninspired cliché-ridden potboiler, which most haven't even heard of. The film has ''AlPacino.''
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* FeedMe: Al Pacino's climactic meltdown is magnificent. The part where he seamlessly starts singing "It Happened In Monterey" ''[[VoiceChangeling in Sinatra's voice]]'' somehow ups both the {{Fanservice}} and {{Squick}} of the scene.
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Crosswicking.

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* {{Pride}}: The theme of Pride/Vanity as an engine of destruction runs all through the plot of the film, namely because it makes you careless and imprudent or just drags you into the affairs that will surely and painfully bite you in the ass. Even [[{{Satan}} the father of the sin himself]] is not invulnerable to its pernicious influence. At one point, he describes it as his favorite sin and the most "natural" as it stems from a "love of self".
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** If they ''were'' in fact aware of what kind of movie they were in, it makes for a rather extraordinary case of AdamWesting.


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* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: Craig T. Nelson's character is an obvious Expy of DonaldTrump.
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Again, he says seven, Pacino says it nasally, which makes room for confussion, but look at his fingers 5 + 2 or any online transcritption / subtitles / script for that matter. Admittedly \"Eleven\" would have fit the scene better


* PostRapeTaunt: "Well, on a scale of 1 to 10 — 10 being the most depraved act of sexual theatre known to man, 1 being your average Friday night run-through at the [[spoiler:Lomaxes' household]] — I'd say, not to be immodest, [[spoiler: Mary Ann]] and I got it on at about... ''[[UpToEleven eleven!]]''"

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* PostRapeTaunt: "Well, on a scale of 1 to 10 — 10 being the most depraved act of sexual theatre known to man, 1 being your average Friday night run-through at the [[spoiler:Lomaxes' household]] — I'd say, not to be immodest, [[spoiler: Mary Ann]] and I got it on at about... ''[[UpToEleven eleven!]]''" ''seven''.
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* PostRapeTaunt: "Well, on a scale of 1 to 10 — 10 being the most depraved act of sexual theatre known to man, 1 being your average Friday night run-through at the [[spoiler:Lomaxes' household]] — I'd say, not to be immodest, [[spoiler: Mary Ann]] and I got it on at about... SEVEN!"

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* PostRapeTaunt: "Well, on a scale of 1 to 10 — 10 being the most depraved act of sexual theatre known to man, 1 being your average Friday night run-through at the [[spoiler:Lomaxes' household]] — I'd say, not to be immodest, [[spoiler: Mary Ann]] and I got it on at about... SEVEN!" ''[[UpToEleven eleven!]]''"
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reverted, it\'s *seven*


* PostRapeTaunt: "Well, on a scale of 1 to 10 — 10 being the most depraved act of sexual theatre known to man, 1 being your average Friday night run-through at the [[spoiler:Lomaxes' household]] — I'd say, not to be immodest, [[spoiler: Mary Ann]] and I got it on at about... ''[[UpToEleven eleven!]]''"

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* PostRapeTaunt: "Well, on a scale of 1 to 10 — 10 being the most depraved act of sexual theatre known to man, 1 being your average Friday night run-through at the [[spoiler:Lomaxes' household]] — I'd say, not to be immodest, [[spoiler: Mary Ann]] and I got it on at about... ''[[UpToEleven eleven!]]''" SEVEN!"
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* EvilIsSexy: All of the characters seem to think this, especially of John Milton. In one scene he gets a girl in her mid-twenties to service him underneath a dinner table in a busy Mexican restaurant simply by whispering in her ear.



* {{Jerkass}}: Kevin places his career above everything else and ends up losing [[spoiler: his wife]] and his personal integrity. It takes him quite some time to consult his conscience and do the right thing.
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[[caption-width-right:350:One of Al Pacino's more low-key performances.]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:One [[caption-width-right:350:[[LargeHam One of Al Pacino's more low-key performances.performances]].]]
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* EvilIsSexy: All of the characters seem to think this, especially of John Milton. In one scene he gets a girl in her mid-twenties to service him underneath a dinner table in a busy Mexican restaurant simply by whispering in her ear.


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* WickedCultured: John Milton, naturally.

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* CourtroomAntics: See HollywoodLaw below.



* DevilInDisguise: John Milton

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* DevilInDisguise: John MiltonMilton.


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* HeelRealization: Kevin at the end.
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* ChekhovsGun: A literal example. Alex Cullen starts carrying a gun after receiving death threats, which Lomax takes from him as it looks like a tacit admission of guilt. It comes in handy in the climax.
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* AmbitionIsEvil: Played straight. Kevin's ferocious commitment to winning his court cases results in him defending some rather unsavory characters.

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* AmbitionIsEvil: Played straight. Kevin's ferocious commitment to winning his court cases results in him defending some rather unsavory characters.characters, and costs him his marriage.
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* PostRapeTaunt: "Well, on a scale of 1 to 10 — 10 being the most depraved act of sexual theatre known to man, 1 being your average Friday night run-through at the [[spoiler:Lomaxes' household]] — I'd say, not to be immodest, [[spoiler: Mary Ann]] and I got it on at about...SEVEN!"

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* PostRapeTaunt: "Well, on a scale of 1 to 10 — 10 being the most depraved act of sexual theatre known to man, 1 being your average Friday night run-through at the [[spoiler:Lomaxes' household]] — I'd say, not to be immodest, [[spoiler: Mary Ann]] and I got it on at about...SEVEN!" ''[[UpToEleven eleven!]]''"

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Notable for AlPacino '''''[[ChewingTheScenery CREATING AN ORGY INVOLVING ALL OF NEW YORK CITY!]]''''' And that's an understatement!

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Notable for AlPacino '''''[[ChewingTheScenery "'''''[[ChewingTheScenery CREATING AN ORGY INVOLVING ALL OF NEW YORK CITY!]]''''' CITY!]]'''''" And that's an understatement!
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* AdaptationDistillation: The novel by Andrew Neiderman is a rather uninspired cliche-ridden potboiler, which most haven't even heard of. The film has ''AlPacino.''

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* AdaptationDistillation: The novel by Andrew Neiderman is a rather uninspired cliche-ridden cliché-ridden potboiler, which most haven't even heard of. The film has ''AlPacino.''


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* InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn: After [[spoiler: Mary Ann kills herself]] and Kevin realises what he has to do, he heads for the final confrontation on foot, because Manhattan is suddenly and inexplicably uninhabited.
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* PostRapeTaunt: "Well, on a scale of 1 to 10 — 10 being the most depraved act of sexual theatre known to man, 1 being your average Friday night run-through at the [[spoiler:Lomaxes' household]] — I'd say, not to be immodest, [[spoiler: Mary Ann]] and I got it on at about...SEVEN!"
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!! This movie contains examples of:

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* ObviousSecondChoice: Evidently the filmmakers wanted to end the film with "Sympathy For The Devil" By TheRollingStones. It would seen they had to settle for less appropriate "Paint It Black". It doesn't work.

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* ObviousSecondChoice: Evidently the filmmakers wanted to end the film with "Sympathy For The Devil" By TheRollingStones. Music/TheRollingStones. It would seen they had to settle for less appropriate "Paint It Black". Black." It doesn't work.

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* ChekhovsGunman: The reporter from the Florida courthouse,[[spoiler: who's another face of Satan and is able to manipulate Kevin twice. "Vanity, definitely my favorite sin."]]
* CompleteMonster: Well, Milton, being {{Satan}}. One of his cruelest acts is probably [[spoiler: the brutal rape of Kevin's wife]].

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* ChekhovsGunman: The reporter from the Florida courthouse,[[spoiler: who's another face of Satan and is able to manipulate Kevin twice. "Vanity, definitely my favorite sin."]]
* CompleteMonster: Well, Milton, being {{Satan}}. One of his cruelest acts is probably [[spoiler: the brutal rape of Kevin's wife]].
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* LesYay: In the elevator.

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*ChekhovsGunman: The reporter from the Florida courthouse,[[spoiler: who's another face of Satan and is able to manipulate Kevin twice. "Vanity, definitely my favorite sin."]]



* IronicEcho: "Are we negotiating? Always."

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* IronicEcho: "Are we negotiating? Always.negotiating?" "Always."

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** Christabella's role in the ending is probably supposed to have this effect, all things considered, but [[spoiler:frankly, it's hard to turn a naked, willing Connie Nielsen into a source of {{Squick}}.]]
*** [[YouBastard That was very likely the point.]]

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** Christabella's role in the ending is probably supposed to have this effect, all things considered, but [[spoiler:frankly, it's hard to turn a naked, willing Connie Nielsen into a source of {{Squick}}.]]
*** [[YouBastard That was very likely the point.
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** But the furs are real, so the film doubles with PrettyInMink (loathing its mink, and wearing it too).



*** Perhaps not. The evidence was exculpatory, and so even if it was improperly handled or concealed during discovery it would still be allowed in (as defendants have a constitutional right to present all available exculpatory evidence). Also, defense could simply have claimed that the evidence was revealed late into the case. In fact, following this, the prosecutor did object, the judge did overrule (presumably because of the exculpatory evidence exception), and also admonished the defense to not do it again; precisely what one might expect.
** Kevin is presented as having never lost a case. This phenomenon is seen commonly among new lawyers that haven't tried any cases, and never outside of that.
*** Justified in-story by [[spoiler:his parentage. Apparently being the son of the Devil gives you some skill in the courtroom (cue devil/lawyer jokes here).]]
*** In Milton's rage-against-God speech near the end he [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] how impossible it is for a lawyer to have never lost a case and points out how supernatural influences were a factor.

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*** Perhaps not. The evidence was exculpatory, and so even if it was improperly handled or concealed during discovery it would still be allowed in (as defendants have a constitutional right to present all available exculpatory evidence). Also, defense could simply have claimed that the evidence was revealed late into the case. In fact, following this, the prosecutor did object, the judge did overrule (presumably because of the exculpatory evidence exception), and also admonished the defense to not do it again; precisely what one might expect.
** Kevin is presented as having never lost a case. This phenomenon is seen commonly among new lawyers that haven't tried any cases, and never outside of that.
*** Justified in-story by [[spoiler:his parentage. Apparently being the son of the Devil gives you some skill in the courtroom (cue devil/lawyer jokes here).]]
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that. In Milton's rage-against-God speech near the end he even [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] how impossible it is for a lawyer to have never lost a case and points out how supernatural influences were a factor.



*** It's not so much what he did as when he did it. At that point he has no demonstrable knowledge that his client is guilty (as he and only he, presumably, saw the future in which it was revealed), and the jury had already been empaneled and the prosecution had rested. He probably would get slapped around by a disciplinary committee for that, though getting disbarred is usually a little tougher than that.



* LargeHam: "''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX7N58df0j0 GOD!! IS AN ABSENTEE LANDLORD!!]]''" AlPacino would only take the part if he got to do a ten minute rant in the film's climax. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy-yqNwTf7s Which ended up pushing TWENTY.]] Upon hearing that, the producers must have looked at each other, shrugged, and said; "Do whatever the hell you want, Al!"

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* LargeHam: "''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX7N58df0j0 GOD!! IS AN ABSENTEE LANDLORD!!]]''" AlPacino would only take the part if he got to do a ten minute rant in the film's climax. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy-yqNwTf7s Which ended up pushing TWENTY.]] Upon hearing that, the producers must have looked at each other, shrugged, and said; "Do whatever the hell you want, Al!"Al."



* NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent: Reeves starts off his performance affecting a passable Southern accent, appropriate for Lomax's Florida background. It vanishes rather quickly, though that may simply be the ''character'' deliberately hiding his accent to avoid getting mocked for it.
** It comes back the more angry he gets by the end.

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* NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent: Reeves starts off his performance affecting a passable Southern accent, appropriate for Lomax's Florida background. It vanishes rather quickly, though that may simply be the ''character'' deliberately hiding his accent to avoid getting mocked for it.
** It comes back the more angry he gets by the end.
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* IronicEcho: "Are we negotiating? Always."
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* HollywoodLaw: Kevin's courtroom antics wouldn't exactly exist in reality. Some of it might be justified given the revelations at the end.

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* HollywoodLaw: Kevin's courtroom antics wouldn't exactly exist pass the bar in reality. Some of it might be justified given the revelations at the end.
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* CompleteMonster: Well, Milton, being {{Satan}}. One of his cruelest acts is probably [[spoiler: the brutal rape of Kevin's wife]].
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Sinkhole of a subjective trope. Opinions don\'t go in main pages


** Another interpretation is that [[spoiler: Milton reverted time back to the point before Kevin's career-defining case in order to keep trying alternate pathways until he can get to the point where Kevin submits]]. There's also the implication that Milton [[GroundhogDayLoop will do this as many times as necessary]] [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel until he wins]].

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** Another interpretation is that [[spoiler: Milton reverted time back to the point before Kevin's career-defining case in order to keep trying alternate pathways until he can get to the point where Kevin submits]]. There's also the implication that Milton [[GroundhogDayLoop will do this as many times as necessary]] [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel until he wins]].wins.



* HumanoidAbomination: It's {{Satan}}, what did you expect? Given the extent of his powers in the film, (not to mention the [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel creepy, writhing statue in his penthouse]]), his depiction flirts with EldritchAbomination as well.

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* HumanoidAbomination: It's {{Satan}}, what did you expect? Given the extent of his powers in the film, (not to mention the [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel creepy, writhing statue in his penthouse]]), penthouse), his depiction flirts with EldritchAbomination as well.
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Not to be confused with DevilsAdvocate, which is a trope.
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* BigNo: Possibly the Biggest No ''ever''. It takes several cuts, several ''breaths'', and causes the guy to ''burst into flames'' and then ''burn or desiccate anyone watching''

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* BigNo: Possibly the Biggest No ''ever''. It takes several cuts, several ''breaths'', and causes the guy to ''burst into flames'' and then ''burn or desiccate anyone watching''watching''.



* TheCorrupter: "Free will. It's like butterfly wings: once touched, they never get off the ground. No, I only set the stage. [[MoreThanMindControl You pull your own strings.]]"
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* TheCorrupter: "Free will. It's like butterfly wings: once touched, they never get off the ground. No, I only set the stage. [[MoreThanMindControl You pull your own strings.]]"
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* TheCorrupter: "Free will. It's like butterfly wings: once touched, they never get off the ground. No, I only set the stage. You pull your own strings."

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* TheCorrupter: "Free will. It's like butterfly wings: once touched, they never get off the ground. No, I only set the stage. [[MoreThanMindControl You pull your own strings." ]]"
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* GodIsEvil: Or so Milton claims in the climax.
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why is this not spoilered?


* FanDisservice: CharlizeTheron's nude scene also reveals that she's covered in scratches because the Devil spent the afternoon raping her.

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* FanDisservice: CharlizeTheron's nude scene also reveals that she's covered in scratches because the [[spoiler:the Devil spent the afternoon raping her.her]].
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** Kevin is presented as having never lost a case. This phenomena is seen commonly among new lawyers that haven't tried any cases, and never outside of that.

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** Kevin is presented as having never lost a case. This phenomena phenomenon is seen commonly among new lawyers that haven't tried any cases, and never outside of that.

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