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** The film implies that Aaron "gets away" with murder because of his insanity defense. In reality, he'd likely be committed and spend the rest of his life in a mental institution, with actually ''fewer'' legal rights than on death row or serving a life sentence.
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** The film implies that Aaron "gets away" with murder because of his insanity defense. In reality, he'd likely be committed and spend the rest of his life in a mental institution, with actually ''fewer'' even ''less'' legal rights than someone on death row or serving a life sentence.
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* PedophilePriest: Technically averted, though the truth is still pretty despicable. [[spoiler: Archbishop Rushman apparently only targets those in the youth home who have reached legal maturity, threatening them with expulsion and being thrown on the streets if they don’t perform in his {{Home Porn Movie}}s.]]
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* PedophilePriest: Technically averted, though the truth is still pretty despicable. [[spoiler: Archbishop Rushman apparently only targets those in the youth home who have reached legal maturity, threatening them with expulsion and being thrown on the streets if they don’t perform in his {{Home Porn Movie}}s.]]
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** Reveal #2: [[spoiler:Vail discovers a HomePornMovie where the archbishop [[RapeByProxy coerced Aaron and another young man to have sex with a girl on camera]]. The archbishop was an AssholeVictim of the most [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil special kind.]] The tape is a SmokingGun that both serves to make Aaron sympathetic to the jury and provide a motive for the murder.]]
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** Reveal #2: [[spoiler:Vail discovers a HomePornMovie where the archbishop [[RapeByProxy coerced Aaron and another young man to have sex with a girl on camera]]. The archbishop was an AssholeVictim of the most [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil special kind.]] The tape is a SmokingGun that both serves to make Aaron sympathetic to the jury and ''and'' provide a motive for the murder.]]
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* HangingJudge: Hangin' Harry Shoat.
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** ''Literature/TheScarletLetter'' reference carved in Archbishop Rushman’s chest about a man who can "wear one face to himself and another for the multitude."
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* DeadpanSnarker: Vail.
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* GoodLawyersGoodClients: {{Averted}}. Marty defended a drug dealer before, but he seems to really believe that everyone is entitled to the best defense they can have, and gives Aaron[[spoiler: (who turns out to be even worse)]] his services free (although it's also good publicity).
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* GoodLawyersGoodClients: {{Averted}}. Marty defended a drug dealer before, but he seems to really believe that everyone is entitled to the best defense they can have, and gives Aaron[[spoiler: (who turns out to be even worse)]] his services free pro bono (although it's also good publicity).
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* CorruptChurch: The archbishop records his sermon for the upcoming Sunday, and then [[spoiler: forces homeless youth to have sex with each other while he records it]]. It’s also suggested that the Church was involved in some shady land deals.
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* CorruptChurch: The archbishop records his sermon for the upcoming Sunday, and then [[spoiler: forces homeless youth to have sex with each other while he records it]]. It’s also suggested that the Church was involved in some shady land real estate deals.
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--> '''Marty''': “Tell me, counselor: which one of us is the true headline chaser?”
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--> '''Marty''': “Tell Tell me, counselor: which one of us is the true headline chaser?”chaser?
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-->'''Naomi''': “What does he look like—in person?”\\
'''Martin''': “[[EmbarrassingNickname The Butcher Boy?]] Like a Boy Scout.”\\
'''Tommy''': “A Boy Scout. With a merit badge in carving.”
'''Martin''': “[[EmbarrassingNickname The Butcher Boy?]] Like a Boy Scout.”\\
'''Tommy''': “A Boy Scout. With a merit badge in carving.”
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-->'''Naomi''': “What What does he look like—in person?”\\
person?\\
'''Martin''':“[[EmbarrassingNickname [[RedBaron The Butcher Boy?]] Like a Boy Scout.”\\
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'''Tommy''':“A A Boy Scout. With a merit badge in carving.”
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-->'''Janet''': “Oh I know, Doctor. It was ''[[ImaginaryFriend Roy.]]''”
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-->'''Janet''': “Oh Oh I know, Doctor. It was ''[[ImaginaryFriend Roy.]]''”]]''
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* PrecisionFStrike: Roy's first appearance is him frustratingly asking the psychologist, “How the ''fuck'' should I know?”
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* PrecisionFStrike: PrecisionFStrike:
** Roy's first appearance is himfrustratingly asking the psychologist, psychologist in frustration, “How the ''fuck'' should I know?”know?”
** Janet yells at Marty that he cost her her "fucking job".
* PredatoryProstitute: Played with. [[spoiler:Aaron was homeless when he was picked up by the Archbishop, meaning that he had monetary reasons for not being able to refuse when the Archbishop forced him to have sex with two other people on camera. Aaron then brutally murdered the Archbishop and his girlfriend Linda.]]
** Roy's first appearance is him
** Janet yells at Marty that he cost her her "fucking job".
* PredatoryProstitute: Played with. [[spoiler:Aaron was homeless when he was picked up by the Archbishop, meaning that he had monetary reasons for not being able to refuse when the Archbishop forced him to have sex with two other people on camera. Aaron then brutally murdered the Archbishop and his girlfriend Linda.]]
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* ClearTheirName: Aaron claims to be innocent and [[spoiler:Vail eventually comes to believe him, despite overwhelming evidence against him and the fact that most people think he's guilty seeking to prove it at his trial. He's wrong.]]
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* ClearTheirName: Aaron claims to be innocent and [[spoiler:Vail eventually comes to believe him, despite overwhelming evidence against him and the fact that most people think he's guilty guilty, seeking to prove it at his trial. He's wrong.]]
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* NotTheFirstVictim: [[spoiler:Before killing the Archbishop (the event that opens the movie), Aaron killed his "girlfriend" Linda [[KilledOffscreen offscreen]].]]
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The movie proved to be Norton's StarMakingRole.
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The movie proved to be Norton's StarMakingRole.
StarMakingRole--in his feature film debut, no less.
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* SequelHook: Much like the ending of this movie, the book’s two sequels indicate that this story in indeed ''far'' from over.
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* TheJudge: [[BlackBossLady Judge Miriam Shoat.]]
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* INeedAFreakingDrink: after the reveal in court, Judge Shoat pours herself and Vail a drink in her chambers. He declines his, so she pours his drink into her own glass.
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* GreyAndGrayMorality; In spades, and pretty much one of the main topic of the movie. [[spoiler: Aaron really is a complete monster, but he actually had a very strong motive for his murders. Marty behaves like a very regular cynical laywer, and makes no mystery of his love for money and fame, but he ends up having his idealism and naiveté get in the way of his work. Archbishop Rushman abused young homeless people by forcing them to have sex in front of him on the threat of throwing them back on the streets, but we learn that he saved the homes of a whole neighborhood of mostly poor squatters when Shaughnessy was planning to requalify it and evict them all in the process. Pretty much only Shaughnessy is a complete asshole, and even if he ultimately had no connection at all with the murder, he indirectly caused it by not exposing Rushman's abuses when he had the chance.]]
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* GreyAndGrayMorality; In spades, and pretty much one of the main topic of the movie. [[spoiler: Aaron really is a complete monster, killer, but he actually had a very strong motive for his murders. Marty behaves like a very regular cynical laywer, and makes no mystery of his love for money and fame, but he ends up having his idealism and naiveté get in the way of his work. Archbishop Rushman abused young homeless people by forcing them to have sex in front of him on the threat of throwing them back on the streets, but we learn that he saved the homes of a whole neighborhood of mostly poor squatters when Shaughnessy was planning to requalify it and evict them all in the process. Pretty much only Shaughnessy is a complete asshole, and even if he ultimately had no connection at all with the murder, he indirectly caused it by not exposing Rushman's abuses when he had the chance.]]
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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Both Vail and Venable call surprise witnesses and log evidence into the record during the trial while in RealLife, all of these would have to be brought before a judge before the trial begins.
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Will ya put your dang punctuation inside the brackets when tropic or spoilering? A lone dot being black next to blue is jarring, as is a dot floating by itself.
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* GreyAndGrayMorality; In spades, and pretty much one of the main topic of the movie. [[spoiler: Aaron really is a complete monster, but he actually had a very strong motive for his murders. Marty behaves like a very regular cynical laywer, and makes no mystery of his love for money and fame, but he ends up making having his idealism and naivety naiveté get in the way of his work. Archbishop Rushman abused young homeless people by forcing them to have sex in front of him on the threat of throwing them back on the streets, but we learn that he saved the homes of a whole neighborhood of mostly poor squatters when Shaughnessy was planning to requalify it and evict them all in the process. Pretty much only Shaughnessy is a complete asshole, and even if he ultimately had no connection at all with the murder, he indirectly caused it by not exposing Rushman's abuses when he had the chance.]]
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* PedophilePriest: Technically averted, though the truth is still pretty despicable. [[spoiler: Archbishop Rushman apparently only targets those in the youth home who have reached legal maturity, threatening them with expulsion if they don’t perform in his HomePornMovie.]]
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* PedophilePriest: Technically averted, though the truth is still pretty despicable. [[spoiler: Archbishop Rushman apparently only targets those in the youth home who have reached legal maturity, threatening them with expulsion if they don’t perform in his HomePornMovie.{{Home Porn Movie}}s.]]
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'''Martin''': “[[EmbarrassingNickname The Butcher Boy]]? Like a boy scout.”\\
'''Tommy''': “A boy scout. With a merit badge in carving.”
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'''Martin''': “[[EmbarrassingNickname The Butcher Boy]]? Boy?]] Like a boy scout.Boy Scout.”\\
'''Tommy''': “Aboy scout.Boy Scout. With a merit badge in carving.”
'''Tommy''': “A
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** Reveal #2: [[spoiler:Vail discovers a HomePornMovie where the archbishop [[RapeByProxy coerced Aaron and another young man to have sex with a girl on camera]]. The archbishop was an AssholeVictim of the most [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil special kind]]. The tape is a SmokingGun that both serves to make Aaron sympathetic to the jury and provide a motive for the murder.]]
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** Reveal #2: [[spoiler:Vail discovers a HomePornMovie where the archbishop [[RapeByProxy coerced Aaron and another young man to have sex with a girl on camera]]. The archbishop was an AssholeVictim of the most [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil special kind]]. kind.]] The tape is a SmokingGun that both serves to make Aaron sympathetic to the jury and provide a motive for the murder.]]
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-->'''Janet''': “Oh I know, Doctor. It was ''[[ImaginaryFriend Roy]]''.”
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* SpottingTheThread: What Martin does at the end of the film, as [[spoiler: Aaron did ''not'' actually "lose time" during Roy's attack on the prosecutor, as he'd mentioned her neck - [[INeverSaidItWasPoison information Aaron would otherwise not know]].]]
* StutteringIntoEloquence: Aaron stutters almost every other word, except [[spoiler:when he is (pretending to be) the much more aggressive "Roy"]].
* TeenGenius: Aaron, possibly. At least, he's able to [[spoiler: fool Vail and everyone else in order to get away with murder]].
* TemptingFate: Piñero refuses to leave town, despite the threat of [[PoliceBrutality police violence]], claiming, “How can they kill a man who doesn’t sleep?”
* StutteringIntoEloquence: Aaron stutters almost every other word, except [[spoiler:when he is (pretending to be) the much more aggressive "Roy"]].
* TeenGenius: Aaron, possibly. At least, he's able to [[spoiler: fool Vail and everyone else in order to get away with murder]].
* TemptingFate: Piñero refuses to leave town, despite the threat of [[PoliceBrutality police violence]], claiming, “How can they kill a man who doesn’t sleep?”
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* SpottingTheThread: What Martin does at the end of the film, as [[spoiler: Aaron did ''not'' actually "lose time" during Roy's attack on the prosecutor, as he'd mentioned her neck - [[INeverSaidItWasPoison information Aaron would otherwise not know]].know.]]]]
* StutteringIntoEloquence: Aaron stutters almost every other word, except [[spoiler:when he is (pretending to be) the much more aggressive "Roy".]]
* StutteringIntoEloquence: Aaron stutters almost every other word, except [[spoiler:when he is (pretending to be) the much more aggressive "Roy"]].
* TeenGenius: Aaron, possibly. At least, he's able to [[spoiler: fool Vail and everyone else in order to get away with murder]].
murder.]]
* TemptingFate: Piñero refuses to leave town, despite the threat of [[PoliceBrutality policeviolence]], violence,]] claiming, “How can they kill a man who doesn’t sleep?”
* StutteringIntoEloquence: Aaron stutters almost every other word, except [[spoiler:when he is (pretending to be) the much more aggressive "Roy".]]
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* VillainRespect: The ending, [[spoiler: in which Roy applauds Martin for SpottingTheThread as quick as he does when he slips up]].
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-->'''[[spoiler:Aaron]]:''' [[spoiler:There never was an "Aaron," counselor. (wink)]]
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-->'''[[spoiler:Aaron]]:''' [[spoiler:There never was an "Aaron," "Aaron", counselor. (wink)]]
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* SarcasticClapping: Aaron eerily does this at the end of the movie , when [[spoiler:the attorney Martin Vail (Richard Gere), and us, the audience, discover that Aaron has been faking his split personality/insanity for the entire film-he is actually sane. However, due to attorney-client confidentiality, even when Vail now knows the truth he's powerless to do anything, as Ed Norton's character mocks him creepily from his cell.]]
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* SarcasticClapping: Aaron [[spoiler:Aaron eerily does this at the end of the movie , when [[spoiler:the attorney Martin Vail (Richard Gere), Vail, and us, us in the audience, discover that Aaron has been faking his split personality/insanity for the entire film-he is actually sane. However, due to attorney-client confidentiality, even when Vail now knows the truth he's powerless to do anything, as Ed Norton's character mocks him creepily from his cell.]]
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* ClearMyName: Aaron claims to be innocent and [[spoiler:Vail eventually comes to believe him, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and the fact that most people think he's guilty. He's wrong.]]
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* ClearMyName: ClearTheirName: Aaron claims to be innocent and [[spoiler:Vail eventually comes to believe him, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary against him and the fact that most people think he's guilty.guilty seeking to prove it at his trial. He's wrong.]]
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* VillainRespect: The ending, [[spoiler: in which Roy applauds Martin for SpottingTheThread as quick as he does when he slips up]].
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* SpottingTheThread: What Martin does at the end of the film, as [[spoiler: Aaron did ''not'' actually "lose time" during Roy's attack on the prosecutor, as he'd mentioned her neck - [[INeverSaidItWasPoison information Aaron would otherwise not know]].]]
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* ThePerryMasonMethod: A variation, [[ExploitedTrope set up by Vail in order to prove Aaron's innocence]]; the prosecution badgers Aaron in an attempt to get him to confess, which causes [[spoiler:Aaron's split personality to show up and attack her]].
** [[spoiler: At least, that's what Aaron ''wanted'' you to think happened.]]
** [[spoiler: At least, that's what Aaron ''wanted'' you to think happened.]]
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* ThePerryMasonMethod: A variation, [[ExploitedTrope set up by Vail in order to prove Aaron's innocence]]; the prosecution badgers Aaron in an attempt to get him to confess, which causes [[spoiler:Aaron's split personality to show up and attack her]].
** [[spoiler:her. At least, that's what Aaron ''wanted'' you to think happened.]]
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* GreyAndGrayMorality; In spades, and pretty much one of the main topic of the movie. [[spoiler: Aaron really is a complete monster, but he actually had a very strong motive for his murders. Marty behaves like a very regular cynical laywer, and makes no mystery of his love for money and fame, but he ends up making his idealism and naivety get in the way of his work. Archbishop Rushman abused young homeless people by forcing them to have sex in front of him with on the threat of putting throwing them back on the street, streets, but we learn that he helped saved the homes of a whole neighborhood of mostly poor squatters when Shaughnessy was planning to requalify it and evict them all in the process. Pretty much only Shaughnessy is a complete asshole, and even if he ultimately had no connection at all with the murders, murder, he indirectly caused it by not exposing Rushman's abuses when he had the chance.]]
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* GreyAndGrayMorality; In spades, and pretty much one of the main topic of the movie. [[spoiler: Aaron really is a complete monster, but he actually had a very strong motive for his murders. Marty behaves like a very regular cynical laywer, and makes no mystery of his love for money and fame, but he ends making his idealism and naivety get in the way of his work. Archbishop Rushman abused young homeless by forcing them to have sex in front of him with the threat of putting them back on the street, but we learn that he helped a whole neighborhood of mostly poor squatters when Shaughnessy was planning to requalify it and evict them in the process. Pretty much only Shaughnessy is a complete asshole, and even if he ultimately had no connection at all with the murders, he indirectly caused it by not exposing Rushman's abuses when he had the chance.]]
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* GreyAndGrayMorality; In spades, and pretty much one of the main topic of the movie. [[spoiler: Aaron really is a complete monster, but he actually had a very strong motive for his murders. Marty behaves like a very regular cynical laywer, and makes no mystery of his love for money and fame, but he ends making his idealism and naivety get in the way of his work. Archbishop Rushman abused young homeless people by forcing them to have sex in front of him with the threat of putting them back on the street, but we learn that he helped a whole neighborhood of mostly poor squatters when Shaughnessy was planning to requalify it and evict them in the process. Pretty much only Shaughnessy is a complete asshole, and even if he ultimately had no connection at all with the murders, he indirectly caused it by not exposing Rushman's abuses when he had the chance.]]
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'''Marty''': ''The victim in this case'' is ''my client.''
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'''Marty''':''The The victim in this case'' is ''my client.''
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''Primal Fear'' is a 1996 crime drama, directed by Gregory Hoblit.
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''Primal Fear'' is a 1996 crime drama, directed by Gregory Hoblit.
Hoblit and [[FilmOfTheBook based on a novel of the same name]] by William Diehl.
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--->'''Janet''': “You think you’ve got me? You think because you know me as well as you do, you know how I think. Well, [[OutGambited [[OutGambitted I know how]] '''[[OutGambited '''[[OutGambitted you]]''' [[OutGambited [[OutGambitted think]].”
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--->'''Janet''': “You think you’ve got me? You think because you know me as well as you do, you know how I think. Well, [[OutGambited I know how '''you''' think.how]] '''[[OutGambited you]]''' [[OutGambited think]].”