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''Jaane Tu... Ya Jaane Na'' ("Whether you know it... Or not") was a critically and commercially successful UsefulNotes/{{Bollywood}} musical, released in the summer of 2008. The story centers around four [[TrueCompanions longtime friends]] narrating the love story of their friends Jai and Aditi.
''Jaane Tu... Ya Jaane Na'' follows six friends after college-- Jai, Aditi, Shaleen, Jiggy, Rotlu, and [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname "Bombs".]] The movie begins with the friends besides Jai and Aditi telling the story of those two friends to Jiggy's new girlfriend while they wait at the airport for them to arrive.
''Jaane Tu... Ya Jaane Na'' follows six friends after college-- Jai, Aditi, Shaleen, Jiggy, Rotlu, and [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname "Bombs".]] The movie begins with the friends besides Jai and Aditi telling the story of those two friends to Jiggy's new girlfriend while they wait at the airport for them to arrive.
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''Jaane Tu... Ya Jaane Na'' ("Whether you know it... Or not") was a critically and commercially successful UsefulNotes/{{Bollywood}} musical, released in the summer of 2008. The story centers around four [[TrueCompanions longtime friends]] narrating the love story of their friends Jai and Aditi.
''Jaane Tu... Ya Jaane Na'' follows six friends aftercollege-- college: Jai, Aditi, Shaleen, Jiggy, Rotlu, and [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname "Bombs".]] "[[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname Bombs]]". The movie begins with the friends besides Jai and Aditi telling the story of those two friends to Jiggy's new girlfriend while they wait at the airport for them to arrive.
''Jaane Tu... Ya Jaane Na'' follows six friends after
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* HiddenDepths: Aditi's younger brother, [[AnnoyingYoungerSibling Amit]]. He often insults Jai much to Aditi's chagrin and is a free spirit who seldom interacts with his family. However, Amit is a gifted artist who can paint on profound themes. [[spoiler:He also calls out Aditi for hanging out with Sushant and being in denial of her feelings for Jai. In just one glance, Amit correctly guesses that Sushant is a mean, arrogant, and selfish prick and outright warns Aditi. And despite Amit's animosity towards Jai for winning his family's favour, he acknowledges Jai's virtues and admits that he is the perfect match for Aditi.]]
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* HiddenDepths: Aditi's younger brother, [[AnnoyingYoungerSibling Amit]]. He often insults Jai Jai, much to Aditi's chagrin chagrin, and is a free spirit who seldom interacts with his family. However, Amit is a gifted artist who can paint on profound themes. [[spoiler:He also calls out Aditi for hanging out with Sushant and being in denial of her feelings for Jai. In With just one glance, Amit [[ExcellentJudgeOfCharacter correctly guesses guesses]] that Sushant is a mean, arrogant, and selfish prick and outright warns Aditi.his sister. And despite Amit's animosity towards Jai for winning his family's favour, he acknowledges Jai's virtues and admits that he is the perfect match for Aditi.]]
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* {{Pacifist}}: Savitri raised Jai to be one, and often told him that his father, Amar Singh Rathore, abhorred violence and died while mediating a conflict. However, the truth is that Savitri did not want Jai to follow the footsteps of his father who died in battle. Amar's spirit is appalled by Savitri's upbringing of Jai, but is certain that Jai will complete the clan's RiteOfPassage.
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* {{Pacifist}}: Savitri raised Jai to be one, and often told him that his father, Amar Singh Rathore, abhorred violence and died while mediating a conflict. However, the truth is that Savitri did not want Jai to follow the footsteps of his father father, who died in battle. Amar's spirit is appalled by Savitri's upbringing of Jai, but is certain that Jai will complete the clan's RiteOfPassage.
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* RiteOfPassage: The Rathore clan of Ranjhore imposes three conditions that a member must fulfil in order to become a real man: 1) [[HorsebackHeroism Ride a horse]], 2) [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown Beat someone up]], 3) [[{{Prison}} Go to prison]]. The conditions can be fulfilled in any order. [[spoiler:Jai fulfils all three conditions in one night, which appeases the spirit of his dead father, Amar Singh Rathore.]]
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* RiteOfPassage: The Rathore clan of Ranjhore imposes three conditions that a member must fulfil fulfill in order to become a real man: 1) [[HorsebackHeroism Ride a horse]], 2) [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown Beat someone up]], 3) [[{{Prison}} Go to prison]]. The conditions can be fulfilled in any order. [[spoiler:Jai fulfils all three conditions in one night, which appeases the spirit of his dead father, Amar Singh Rathore.]]
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* CoolLoser: Amit.
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* {{Cowboy}}: Bhalu and Bagheere. [[spoiler: And Jai in the film's climax.]]
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* {{Cowboy}}: Bhalu and Bagheere. [[spoiler: And [[spoiler:And Jai in the film's climax.]]
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* InstantExpert: Legend has it that horsemanship is an innate trait inherited by every male born in the Rathore clan. [[spoiler:Despite having never ridden a horse before, Jai is able to ride all the way to the airport and return.]]
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* InstantExpert: Legend has it that horsemanship is an innate trait inherited by of every male born in the Rathore clan. [[spoiler:Despite having never ridden a horse before, Jai is able to ride all the way to the airport and return.]]
* LongLostRelative: The two Cowboys who make frequent appearances throughout the movie...[[spoiler:turn out to be Jai's cousins who used to play with him as a toddler. They use their connections to bail Jai out and lend him one of their horses to rush to the airport.]]
* LongLostRelative: The two Cowboys who make frequent appearances throughout the movie...[[spoiler:turn out to be Jai's cousins who used to play with him as a toddler. They use their connections to bail Jai out and lend him one of their horses to rush to the airport.]]
* {{Pacifist}}: Savitri raised Jai to be one, and often told him that his father, Amar Singh Rathore, abhorred violence and died while mediating a conflict. However, the truth is that Savitri did not want Jai to follow the footsteps of his father who died in battle. Amar's spirit is appalled by Savitri's upbringing of Jai, but is certain that Jai will complete the clan's RiteOfPassage.
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* RiteOfPassage: The Rathore clan of Ranjhore imposes three conditions that a member must fulfil in order to become a real man: 1) [[HorsebackHeroism Ride a horse]], 2) [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown Beat someone up]], 3) [[{{Prison}} Become arrested by the police]]. [[spoiler:Jai fulfils all three conditions in one night, which appeases the spirit of his dead father, Amar Singh Rathore.]]
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* RiteOfPassage: The Rathore clan of Ranjhore imposes three conditions that a member must fulfil in order to become a real man: 1) [[HorsebackHeroism Ride a horse]], 2) [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown Beat someone up]], 3) [[{{Prison}} Become arrested by the police]].Go to prison]]. The conditions can be fulfilled in any order. [[spoiler:Jai fulfils all three conditions in one night, which appeases the spirit of his dead father, Amar Singh Rathore.]]
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* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: The Rathore clan from Ranjhore takes masculinity very seriously. Amar Singh is appalled when Savitri intends for their son to remain a pacifist.
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* RiteOfPassage: The Rathore clan of Ranjhore imposes three conditions that a member must fulfil in order to become recognised as a real man: 1) [[HorsebackHeroism Ride a horse]], 2) [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown Beat someone up]], 2) 3) [[{{Prison}} Become arrested by the police]], 3) [[HorsebackHeroism Ride a horse.]] police]]. [[spoiler:Jai fulfils all three conditions in one night, which satisfies appeases the spirit of his dead father, Amar Singh Rathore.]]]]
* RatedMForManly: Jai's deceased father, Amar Singh Rathore, is hailed as an exemplary man by the Rathore clan in Ranjhore. There are many exploits of him beating up people and hunting dangerous animals with his bare hands. Amar died in a battle against the Pathan family when one of the enemies stabbed him from behind. Amar's spirit is appalled by Jai's pacifist upbringing and dances in joy when Jai completes the clan's RiteOfPassage.
* RatedMForManly: Jai's deceased father, Amar Singh Rathore, is hailed as an exemplary man by the Rathore clan in Ranjhore. There are many exploits of him beating up people and hunting dangerous animals with his bare hands. Amar died in a battle against the Pathan family when one of the enemies stabbed him from behind. Amar's spirit is appalled by Jai's pacifist upbringing and dances in joy when Jai completes the clan's RiteOfPassage.
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* BerserkButton: Jai practices [[ActualPacifist non-violence]] [[spoiler: unless someone harms Aditi.]]
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* BerserkButton: Jai practices [[ActualPacifist non-violence]] [[spoiler: unless someone harms Aditi. Despite Sushant having a black belt, Jai knocks him out in three punches.]]
* CrazyJealousGuy: Sushant. He is extremely possessive about the girls he is with, including his ex-girlfriend, and he cannot tolerate it when they move on. He also tends to resort to violence.
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* HiddenDepths: Aditi's younger brother, [[AnnoyingYoungerSibling Amit]]. He often insults Jai much to Aditi's chagrin and is a free spirit who seldom interacts with his family. However, Amit is a gifted artist who can paint on profound themes. [[spoiler:He also calls out Aditi for hanging out with Sushant and being in denial of her feelings for Jai. Amit warns Aditi that Sushant is a mean, arrogant, and selfish prick. And despite Amit's animosity towards Jai for winning his family's favour, he admits that Jai is a great guy and the perfect match for Aditi.]]
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* HiddenDepths: Aditi's younger brother, [[AnnoyingYoungerSibling Amit]]. He often insults Jai much to Aditi's chagrin and is a free spirit who seldom interacts with his family. However, Amit is a gifted artist who can paint on profound themes. [[spoiler:He also calls out Aditi for hanging out with Sushant and being in denial of her feelings for Jai. In just one glance, Amit warns Aditi correctly guesses that Sushant is a mean, arrogant, and selfish prick. prick and outright warns Aditi. And despite Amit's animosity towards Jai for winning his family's favour, he acknowledges Jai's virtues and admits that Jai he is a great guy and the perfect match for Aditi.]]
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* TheSocialExpert: Amit, surprisingly, despite being TheShutIn. He can accurately assess people's personalities in one glance, and is actually a wise guy, who gives sound advice to Aditi.
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* HiddenDepths: Aditi's younger brother, Amit.[[AnnoyingYoungerSibling Amit]]. He often insults Jai much to Aditi's chagrin and is a free spirit who seldom interacts with his family. However, Amit is a gifted artist. artist who can paint on profound themes. [[spoiler:He also calls out Aditi for hanging out with Sushant and not acknowledging being in denial of her feelings for Jai. Amit rightfully points out warns Aditi that Sushant is a self-centred mean, arrogant, and arrogant selfish prick. And despite his Amit's animosity towards Jai, Amit Jai for winning his family's favour, he admits that Jai is a great guy and the perfect match for Aditi.]]
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* HideYourLesbians: [[WordOfGay The director states in the DVD commentary]] that he intended for Shaleen to be a lesbian, but in the film this is depicted [[AmbiguouslyGay entirely through subtext]].
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''Jaane Tu... Ya Jaane Na'' ("Whether you know it... Or not") was a critically and commercially successful UsefulNotes/{{Bollywood}} musical, released in the summer of 2008. The story centers around four [[TrueCompanions longtime friends]] narrating the love story of their friends Jai and Aditi.
''Jaane Tu... Ya Jaane Na'' follows six friends after college-- Jai, Aditi, Shaleen, Jiggy, Rotlu, and [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname "Bombs".]] The movie begins with the friends besides Jai and Aditi telling the story of those two friends to Jiggy's new girlfriend while they wait at the airport for them to arrive.
Jai and Aditi are the closest friends through five years of college, and they lead the close-knit group. Everyone assumes that they are deeply in love because they act so close and are constantly together, but they swear they are {{just friends}}. Both decide that to adjust to being on seperate continents from each other after college, they decide to give each other space and find a good match for each other. Jei gets a girl named Meghna, and they become so infatuated that they leave the rest of the group behind. Meghna puts a rift between Jai and Aditi, and they drift apart because of his relationship. Just as Jai begins to become unhappy with Meghna, Aditi finds herself a guy. With marriage proposals on the way and engagements, it looks like the two would be better off not admitting their feelings at all.
The whole story of their relationship is also intertwined by the story of how Jai becomes a man through the rite of passage that the savage group his DisappearedDad belonged to. HilarityEnsues.
It can be watched for free (legally) [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzLnA-A5GI4 here]].
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!!This movie provides examples of:
* ActionMom: Jai's mother, Savitri, has shades of this.
* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: It ends up being a bad idea for Aditi. "If I wanted a NiceGuy I would have fallen for ''you''!"
* ArcWords: The title comes from a song from the movie [[UsefulNotes/{{Bollywood}} Aa Gale Lagja]]. And the six friends are always singing it to each other. ''And'' the title shows up in nearly every song in some form.
* BerserkButton: Jai practices [[ActualPacifist non-violence]] [[spoiler: unless someone harms Aditi.]]
* BetaCouple: Rotlu and Bombs.
** [[CleaningUpRomanticLooseEnds Although they initially wanted to be with Aditi and Jai, respectively.]]
* BettyAndVeronica: Aditi and Meghna.
* {{Bowdlerise}}: The subtitles translate "[[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Saala saala]]" in ''Pappu Can't Dance'' to... "baby."
* CoolLoser: Amit.
* {{Cowboy}}: Bhalu and Bagheere. [[spoiler: And Jai in the film's climax.]]
* CrowdSong: "[[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments Hai muscular, hai popular, spectacular, he's a bachelor! (He's a bachelor, he's a bachelor!)]]"
** Also see: [[IWantSong Nazrein Milana, Nazrein Churana]] and Kabhi Kabhi Aditi.
* DawsonCasting: Averted. Most of the characters in their twenties are portrayed by actors in their twenties. The one exception to this is Jiggy's actor... who was actually ''younger'' than his character.
* EveryoneCanSeeIt: From the very beginning. The two first refuse to believe it, but mostly they just don't want to ruin a great friendship by making it a romantic relationship.
* CuteKitten: It's hard to decide who's cuter at the end of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi: Imran Khan or the kitten.
* ExpositoryHairstyleChange: Aditi's hair changes from curly to straight halfway through the film, when she becomes aware of her crush on Jai.
* ForgottenBirthday: Aditi's birthday is missed for a date with Mehgan-- she doesn't take it well.
* FrothyMugsOfWater: "Give me coke... on the rocks. Make it strong."
** Subverted when other characters are openly shown drinking.
* GratuitousEnglish
* HideYourLesbians: [[WordOfGay The director states in the DVD commentary]] that he intended for Shaleen to be a lesbian, but in the film this is depicted [[AmbiguouslyGay entirely through subtext]].
* {{Jerkass}}: Sushant. Just... Sushant.
* ManicPixieDreamGirl: Picked for Jei purposely by Aditi-- she says he needs a "silly, wild and sweet romantic type."
* MommasBoy: Subverted. Jai's close to his mom, but it's portrayed as a good thing.
* ThePollyanna: [[spoiler: Meghna is a deconstruction of this.]]
%%* RaceForYourLove: {{Discussed|Trope}}, {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d and then {{Exaggerated|Trope}}.
* RelationshipUpgrade: The entire point of the film.
* SheIsNotMyGirlfriend: Aditi and Jei's attitude.
* ShoutOut: The last scene has a person at the airport with a sign saying [[Theatre/WaitingForGodot "Mr. Godot"]].
* TrueCompanions: In the form of [[MartialPacifist Jai]], [[{{Tsundere}} Aditi]], [[{{Emo}} Rotlu]], [[TheCutie Bombs]], [[{{Keet}} Jiggy]] and [[WiseBeyondTheirYears Shaleen]].
* {{Tsundere}}: Aditi sure has her moments. So does Mala.
* WillTheyOrWontThey: The movie's narrative structure hangs a huge freaking {{lampshade}} on it.
* VictoriousChildhoodFriend: Averted. Jai and Aditi may have been friends for a while, but they met in college.
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''Jaane Tu... Ya Jaane Na'' ("Whether you know it... Or not") was a critically and commercially successful UsefulNotes/{{Bollywood}} musical, released in the summer of 2008. The story centers around four [[TrueCompanions longtime friends]] narrating the love story of their friends Jai and Aditi.
''Jaane Tu... Ya Jaane Na'' follows six friends after college-- Jai, Aditi, Shaleen, Jiggy, Rotlu, and [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname "Bombs".]] The movie begins with the friends besides Jai and Aditi telling the story of those two friends to Jiggy's new girlfriend while they wait at the airport for them to arrive.
Jai and Aditi are the closest friends through five years of college, and they lead the close-knit group. Everyone assumes that they are deeply in love because they act so close and are constantly together, but they swear they are {{just friends}}. Both decide that to adjust to being on seperate continents from each other after college, they decide to give each other space and find a good match for each other. Jei gets a girl named Meghna, and they become so infatuated that they leave the rest of the group behind. Meghna puts a rift between Jai and Aditi, and they drift apart because of his relationship. Just as Jai begins to become unhappy with Meghna, Aditi finds herself a guy. With marriage proposals on the way and engagements, it looks like the two would be better off not admitting their feelings at all.
The whole story of their relationship is also intertwined by the story of how Jai becomes a man through the rite of passage that the savage group his DisappearedDad belonged to. HilarityEnsues.
It can be watched for free (legally) [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzLnA-A5GI4 here]].
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!!This movie provides examples of:
* ActionMom: Jai's mother, Savitri, has shades of this.
* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: It ends up being a bad idea for Aditi. "If I wanted a NiceGuy I would have fallen for ''you''!"
* ArcWords: The title comes from a song from the movie [[UsefulNotes/{{Bollywood}} Aa Gale Lagja]]. And the six friends are always singing it to each other. ''And'' the title shows up in nearly every song in some form.
* BerserkButton: Jai practices [[ActualPacifist non-violence]] [[spoiler: unless someone harms Aditi.]]
* BetaCouple: Rotlu and Bombs.
** [[CleaningUpRomanticLooseEnds Although they initially wanted to be with Aditi and Jai, respectively.]]
* BettyAndVeronica: Aditi and Meghna.
* {{Bowdlerise}}: The subtitles translate "[[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Saala saala]]" in ''Pappu Can't Dance'' to... "baby."
* CoolLoser: Amit.
* {{Cowboy}}: Bhalu and Bagheere. [[spoiler: And Jai in the film's climax.]]
* CrowdSong: "[[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments Hai muscular, hai popular, spectacular, he's a bachelor! (He's a bachelor, he's a bachelor!)]]"
** Also see: [[IWantSong Nazrein Milana, Nazrein Churana]] and Kabhi Kabhi Aditi.
* DawsonCasting: Averted. Most of the characters in their twenties are portrayed by actors in their twenties. The one exception to this is Jiggy's actor... who was actually ''younger'' than his character.
* EveryoneCanSeeIt: From the very beginning. The two first refuse to believe it, but mostly they just don't want to ruin a great friendship by making it a romantic relationship.
* CuteKitten: It's hard to decide who's cuter at the end of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi: Imran Khan or the kitten.
* ExpositoryHairstyleChange: Aditi's hair changes from curly to straight halfway through the film, when she becomes aware of her crush on Jai.
* ForgottenBirthday: Aditi's birthday is missed for a date with Mehgan-- she doesn't take it well.
* FrothyMugsOfWater: "Give me coke... on the rocks. Make it strong."
** Subverted when other characters are openly shown drinking.
* GratuitousEnglish
* HideYourLesbians: [[WordOfGay The director states in the DVD commentary]] that he intended for Shaleen to be a lesbian, but in the film this is depicted [[AmbiguouslyGay entirely through subtext]].
* {{Jerkass}}: Sushant. Just... Sushant.
* ManicPixieDreamGirl: Picked for Jei purposely by Aditi-- she says he needs a "silly, wild and sweet romantic type."
* MommasBoy: Subverted. Jai's close to his mom, but it's portrayed as a good thing.
* ThePollyanna: [[spoiler: Meghna is a deconstruction of this.]]
%%* RaceForYourLove: {{Discussed|Trope}}, {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d and then {{Exaggerated|Trope}}.
* RelationshipUpgrade: The entire point of the film.
* SheIsNotMyGirlfriend: Aditi and Jei's attitude.
* ShoutOut: The last scene has a person at the airport with a sign saying [[Theatre/WaitingForGodot "Mr. Godot"]].
* TrueCompanions: In the form of [[MartialPacifist Jai]], [[{{Tsundere}} Aditi]], [[{{Emo}} Rotlu]], [[TheCutie Bombs]], [[{{Keet}} Jiggy]] and [[WiseBeyondTheirYears Shaleen]].
* {{Tsundere}}: Aditi sure has her moments. So does Mala.
* WillTheyOrWontThey: The movie's narrative structure hangs a huge freaking {{lampshade}} on it.
* VictoriousChildhoodFriend: Averted. Jai and Aditi may have been friends for a while, but they met in college.
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