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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" (Richard Eyer) has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie (Phyllis Love) is in love with Gard Jordan (Mark Richman), a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army.

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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" (Richard Eyer) has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie (Phyllis Love) is in love with Gard Jordan (Mark Richman), (Creator/PeterMarkRichman), a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army.
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* YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe: Averted, or rather, practiced in-universe by the characters. The Quakers use the old-timey ''thee'' instead of ''you'' in speech. However, they consistently misuse it, saying "thee" both as the subject (correct) and also as the object in sentences, when they should be using "thou." This is how Quakers habitually talked in the 19th-century, although latter-day Quakers have fallen out of this habit.
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* YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe: Averted, or rather, practiced in-universe by the characters. The Quakers use the old-timey ''thee'' instead of ''you'' in speech. However, they consistently misuse it, saying "thee" both as the subject (correct) and also as the object in sentences, when they should be using "thou." This is how Quakers habitually talked in the 19th-century, although latter-day Quakers have fallen out of this habit.
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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" (Richard Eyer) has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie (Phyllis Love) is in love with Gard Jordan (Mark Richman), a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of the pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. The Birdwells' oldest son Josh (Creator/AnthonyPerkins) is particularly torn over whether or not to join up and fight.

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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" (Richard Eyer) has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie (Phyllis Love) is in love with Gard Jordan (Mark Richman), a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army.

But the main conflict is about the war, and the pacifist Quakers' hesitation of the pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort.effort even as the Confederate Army draws closer. The Birdwells' oldest son Josh (Creator/AnthonyPerkins) is particularly torn over whether or not to join up and fight.
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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" (Richard Eyer) has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie (Phyllis Love) is in love with Gard Jordan (Mark Richman), a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. The Birdwells' oldest son Josh (Creator/AnthonyPerkins, four years before ''Film/{{Psycho}}'') is particularly torn about whether or not to join up and fight.

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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" (Richard Eyer) has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie (Phyllis Love) is in love with Gard Jordan (Mark Richman), a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of the pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. The Birdwells' oldest son Josh (Creator/AnthonyPerkins, four years before ''Film/{{Psycho}}'') (Creator/AnthonyPerkins) is particularly torn about over whether or not to join up and fight.
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* {{Remake}}: A MadeForTVMovie version was produced for Creator/{{ABC}} in 1975, directed by Joseph Sargent and starring Creator/RichardKiley as Jess, Creator/ShirleyKnight as Eliza, Creator/CliftonJames as Sam, Creator/MichaelOKeefe as Josh, Kevin O'Keefe as Labe, Tracie Savage as Mattie, and Sparky Marcus as Little Jess.

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* {{Remake}}: A MadeForTVMovie version was produced for Creator/{{ABC}} in 1975, directed by Joseph Sargent and starring Creator/RichardKiley as Jess, Creator/ShirleyKnight as Eliza, Creator/CliftonJames as Sam, Creator/MichaelOKeefe as Josh, Kevin O'Keefe as Labe, Tracie Savage as Mattie, and Sparky Marcus as Little Jess.

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Nominated for five UsefulNotes/{{Academy Award}}s, though it didn't win any. Said to be one of UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan's favorite movies; as President he gave a copy to UsefulNotes/MikhailGorbachev during a summit meeting.

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Nominated for five UsefulNotes/{{Academy Award}}s, though although it didn't win any. Said to be one of UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan's favorite movies; as President he gave a copy to UsefulNotes/MikhailGorbachev during a summit meeting.






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* {{Remake}}: A MadeForTVMovie version was produced for Creator/{{ABC}} in 1975, directed by Joseph Sargent and starring Creator/RichardKiley as Jess, Creator/ShirleyKnight as Eliza, Creator/CliftonJames as Sam, Creator/MichaelOKeefe as Josh, Kevin O'Keefe as Labe, Tracie Savage as Mattie, and Sparky Marcus as Little Jess.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: A Union soldier addressing the Quakers early in the film tries to get them to join up and support the war effort, saying the war is about protecting their own homes. Later the widow Hudspeth asks Jess if he's seen any raiders. Sure enough, Confederate raiders come through the area.%% * GettingCrapPastThe Radar: Due to overwhelming and persistent misuse, GCPTR is on-page examples only until 01 June 2021. If you are reading this in the future, please check the trope page to make sure your example fits the current definition.

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''Friendly Persuasion'' is a 1956 film directed by Creator/WilliamWyler, starring Creator/GaryCooper.

The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie is in love with Gard Jordan, a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. Oldest son Josh (Creator/AnthonyPerkins, four years before ''Film/{{Psycho}}'') is particularly torn about whether or not to join up and fight.

Said to be one of UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan's favorite movies; the president gave a copy to UsefulNotes/MikhailGorbachev at a summit meeting.

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->''"A man's life ain't worth a hill of beans except he lives up to his own conscience."''

''Friendly Persuasion'' is a 1956 American period drama film directed by Creator/WilliamWyler, starring Creator/GaryCooper.

The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" (Richard Eyer) has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie (Phyllis Love) is in love with Gard Jordan, Jordan (Mark Richman), a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. Oldest The Birdwells' oldest son Josh (Creator/AnthonyPerkins, four years before ''Film/{{Psycho}}'') is particularly torn about whether or not to join up and fight.

Nominated for five UsefulNotes/{{Academy Award}}s, though it didn't win any. Said to be one of UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan's favorite movies; the president as President he gave a copy to UsefulNotes/MikhailGorbachev at during a summit meeting.



* TheFilmOfTheBook: 1945 novel ''The Friendly Persuasion'' by Jessamyn West.

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: A Union soldier addressing the Quakers early in the film tries to get them to join up and support the war effort, saying the war is about protecting their own homes. Later the widow Hudspeth asks Jess if he's seen any raiders. Sure enough, Confederate raiders come through the area.
* GettingCrapPastTheRadar: A scene that clearly indicates without actually saying so that Jess and Eliza had sex in the barn--see SexyDiscretionShot below.

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* HaveAGayOldTime: The organ salesman describes the Quakers' dislike of music as "mighty queer".

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'''''Friendly Persuasion''''' ''Friendly Persuasion'' is a 1956 film directed by Creator/WilliamWyler, starring Creator/GaryCooper.
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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie is in love with Gard Jordan, a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. Oldest son Josh (Anthony Perkins, four years before ''Film/{{Psycho}}'') is particularly torn about whether or not to join up and fight.

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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie is in love with Gard Jordan, a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. Oldest son Josh (Anthony Perkins, (Creator/AnthonyPerkins, four years before ''Film/{{Psycho}}'') is particularly torn about whether or not to join up and fight.
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* ThouShaltNotKill: The climax of the film examines how far this philosophy can really last when your own home is under attack. Eliza offers the soldiers the hospitality of her table, but she snaps when one of them tries to catch the goose for eating and is disturbed that she became violent, even with just a broom. Josh and Jess tear themselves up over the question of killing. Josh ends up killing. Jess, even with the body of his friend at his feet and his rifle pointed at a Confederate soldier, ultimately decides not to shoot.
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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess Birdwell (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie is in love with Gard Jordan, a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. Oldest son Josh (Anthony Perkins, four years before ''Film/{{Psycho}}'') is particularly torn about whether or not to join up and fight.

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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess Birdwell (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie is in love with Gard Jordan, a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. Oldest son Josh (Anthony Perkins, four years before ''Film/{{Psycho}}'') is particularly torn about whether or not to join up and fight.
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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess Birdwell (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie is in love with Gard Jordan, a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. Oldest son Josh Birdwell (Anthony Perkins, four years before ''Film/{{Psycho}}'') is particularly torn about whether or not to join up and fight.

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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess Birdwell (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie is in love with Gard Jordan, a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. Oldest son Josh Birdwell (Anthony Perkins, four years before ''Film/{{Psycho}}'') is particularly torn about whether or not to join up and fight.

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* HaveAGayOldTime: The organ salesman describes the Quaker dislike of music as "mighty queer."

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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess Birdwell (Cooper) and his wife Eliza have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie is in love with Gard Jordan, a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. Oldest son Josh Birdwell (Anthony Perkins, four years before ''Film/{{Psycho}}'') is particularly torn about whether or not to join up and fight.

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The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess Birdwell (Cooper) and his wife Eliza (Dorothy [=McGuire=]) have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie is in love with Gard Jordan, a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. Oldest son Josh Birdwell (Anthony Perkins, four years before ''Film/{{Psycho}}'') is particularly torn about whether or not to join up and fight.
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''Friendly Persuasion'' is a 1956 film directed by Creator/WilliamWyler, starring Creator/GaryCooper.

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''Friendly Persuasion'' is a 1956 film directed by Creator/WilliamWyler, starring Creator/GaryCooper.

The Birdwells are a family of Quakers in southern Indiana during UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Patriarch Jess Birdwell (Cooper) and his wife Eliza have a loving relationship that is occasionally interrupted by normal squabbles, like Jess's purchase of an organ, despite general Quaker disapproval of the playing of music. Youngest son "Little Jess" has an adversarial relationship with the family's pet goose and daughter Mattie is in love with Gard Jordan, a non-Quaker local boy who has joined the Union Army. But the main conflict is the war, and the hesitation of pacifistic Quakers about joining the war effort. Oldest son Josh Birdwell (Anthony Perkins, four years before ''Film/{{Psycho}}'') is particularly torn about whether or not to join up and fight.

Said to be one of UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan's favorite movies; the president gave a copy to UsefulNotes/MikhailGorbachev at a summit meeting.

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* AllWomenAreLustful: Played for laughs in a comic sequence where Jess and Josh, out traveling the countryside to sell their produce, stop at a farm that contains a lonely widow and three obviously horny daughters. The daughters nearly eat Josh alive before the Birdwells make their escape.
--> '''Widow Hudspeth''': Menfolks are so scarce around here that the girls get carried away at the sight of one.
* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The film is set in 1862, but John Hunt Morgan's raid into the North took place in 1863. (It led to disaster for the Confederates, as Morgan wound up trapped in the North and had to surrender his whole command.)
* AsYouKnow: "Sam, the elders! The ministry and oversight committee from our church!"
* BerserkerTears: Josh hesitates to pull the trigger when the order to fire is given, until the soldier lying next to him is shot. Then Josh starts shooting at the Confederates while the tears roll down his face.
* BloodFromTheMouth: The blood staining Sam's teeth is a signal that his wound is pretty bad.
* CameraAbuse: When a Confederate falls off his horse and into the river after Josh shoots him, water splashes the camera.
* DancesAndBalls: Mattie dances with Gard at the fair, much to Eliza's displeasure.
* EyepatchOfPower: The Union veteran giving Josh some friendly advice while they lay in wait for Morgan's men has an eyepatch over one eye.
* TheFilmOfTheBook: 1945 novel ''The Friendly Persuasion'' by Jessamyn West.
* {{Foreshadowing}}: A Union soldier addressing the Quakers early in the film tries to get them to join up and support the war effort, saying the war is about protecting their own homes. Later the widow Hudspeth asks Jess if he's seen any raiders. Sure enough, Confederate raiders come through the area.
* GettingCrapPastTheRadar: A scene that clearly indicates without actually saying so that Jess and Eliza had sex in the barn--see SexyDiscretionShot below.
* HaveAGayOldTime: The organ salesman describes the Quaker dislike of music as "mighty queer."
* HypocriticalHumor: Mattie comes down from the attic with Gard, catches her parents kissing, and berates them, saying "Hast thee forgotten we have company?" This seconds after Mattie and Gard were kissing in the attic.
* POVShot: From the perspective of a Confederate officer who scans the far bank of the river, and fails to see the well-camouflaged Union-militia force.
* SexyDiscretionShot: Eliza, pissed off about the organ, has gone to sleep in the barn. Jess goes out to bring her a blanket. They embrace, and the next scene shows them leaving the barn--the next morning, wearing the same clothes.
* ShellGame: A carny has a shell game going at the county fair. Little Jess is really good at finding the bean, much to the carny's irritation.
* SwingLowSweetHarriet: Mattie is swinging in a swing during one scene where Gard is courting her.
* TitleThemeTune: "Friendly Persuasion", sung over the opening credits and at the end by Pat Boone.
* YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe: Averted, or rather, practiced in-universe by the characters. The Quakers use the old-timey ''thee'' instead of ''you'' in speech. However, they consistently misuse it, saying "thee" both as the subject (correct) and also as the object in sentences, when they should be using "thou." This is how Quakers habitually talked in the 19th-century, although latter-day Quakers have fallen out of this habit.
--> "What is thee saying, child?" (should be "What art thou saying, child?")

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