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* AndThenISaid: Ray Kinsella recounting his poignant experience with Doc Graham to Terence Mann:
-->'''Ray Kinsella:''' And then I figured maybe we're not supposed to take him with us...



* ArmorPiercingQuestion: Subverted for humor. After all but kidnapping one of his heroes, the author Terence Mann, to take him to a baseball game, Ray asks Terence, who's in the middle of a rant about why he's all but in hiding from the world, what he wants. As one might expect from a writer, Terence has his answer ready. A recluse from all the hippies he inspired in the sixties, he snaps that he wants people to stop asking him for answers, start thinking for themselves, and give him his privacy. Ray says, somewhat nonplussed, "No, I mean... whaddaya want?" and gestures. Terence follows the gesture... and [[NotActuallyTheUltimateQuestion sees an impatient looking concession stand worker]]. "Oh. Dog and a beer."'



%% ZCE * AwkwardFatherSonBondingActivity: Baseball, for Ray and his dad.

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%% ZCE * AwkwardFatherSonBondingActivity: Baseball, for Ray and A major part of the story is Ray's rough relationship with his dad.dad, who loved baseball. [[spoiler:At the end of the movie, his father's ghost comes to the baseball field to play with him.]]



* CartoonBugSprayer: Upon learning that Ray is "from the '60s," Terrence Mann sprays him with one of these.
-->'''Terrence Mann:''' Out! Back to the '60s! Back! There's no place for you here in the future. Get back while you still can!



* DepartureMeansDeath: If any of the ghost ballplayers who play at the field leave it, it turns out that he can no longer return to the mortal world afterwards. What happens if he decides to just ''not go back'' to the spirit world isn't explored.



%% * GameOfNerds: Terence Mann. Moonlight Graham also applies, he is a doctor after all.

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* FlyawayShot: At the end. It starts out with a shot of Ray and [[spoiler: his dad playing catch, and zooms away to reveal that a long line of cars is driving towards the field to visit.]]
%% * GameOfNerds: Terence Mann. Moonlight Graham also applies, he is a doctor after all. all.
* {{God}}: The Voice -- unknown actor, listed in credits only as "[[CharacterAsHimself Himself]]"... implication clear!



* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Like ''Film/EightMenOut'', this movie is especially hard on Kenesaw Mountain Landis, first Commissioner of Baseball. The allegation that he dealt with the Black Sox scandal in a ham-handed and unfair manner, with particular scorn coming for his treatment of "Shoeless" Joe Jackson (took money for it, and kept his teammates' actions secret), is not true. In particular, this ignores how hated the participating players in the scandal were at the time, as well as the implications the scandal held for the legitimacy of baseball. To this day, an unambiguous ban holds for gambling on baseball by anyone active in the sport, including players, coaches, manager, and owners, in part thanks to Landis.



* ItsWhatIDo: For the entire film, Creator/JDSalinger [[{{Expy}} expy]] Terence Mann has tried to justify why [[AchillesInHisTent he doesn't write anymore]]. In the denouement, he relents.
-->'''Ray:''' You're gonna write about it?\\
'''Terence:''' That's what I do.



* LostInTheMaize: Subverted. The Iowa cornfield is supernatural and mysterious, but it's awe-inspiring, not scary.



* MissingStepsPlan: PlayedForLaughs with the case of Terence Mann; after Ray "kidnaps" him, the author's father makes repeated calls to his Boston residence and, when he doesn't answer, reports him as missing, which makes the national papers. Mann decides to contact him...then wonders aloud, "What do I ''tell'' him?"



* MissingStepsPlan: PlayedForLaughs with the case of Terence Mann; after Ray "kidnaps" him, the author's father makes repeated calls to his Boston residence and, when he doesn't answer, reports him as missing, which makes the national papers. Mann decides to contact him...then wonders aloud, "What do I ''tell'' him?"
* MistakenForAfterlife: Shoeless Joe Jackson is confused about finding himself in a baseball field after he died.
-->'''Shoeless Joe Jackson:''' Hey! Is this heaven?\\
'''Ray Kinsella:''' No. It's Iowa.
* MisterSandmanSequence: Ray is briefly transported back to 1972 so he can talk with Moonlight Graham. The first things he sees are a theater marquee for ''Film/TheGodfather'' and a UsefulNotes/RichardNixon re-election poster.



* NewspaperDating: A variation occurs when Ray figures out he's walked back into 1972 by checking the registration date on a Minnesota license plate.



* NotActuallyTheUltimateQuestion: Ray Kinsella convinces Terrence Mann to go to a baseball game with him. As they walk into the stadium, they discuss Terrence's writing, his activism, and his current reclusiveness. Finally, Ray asks him:
-->'''Ray:''' So what do you want?\\
'''Terrence:''' I want people to stop looking to me for answers; begging me to speak again, write again, be a leader. I want people to start thinking for themselves. '''''And I want my privacy!'''''\\
''[{{Beat}}]''\\
'''Ray:''' No, I mean... (''points at the concession stand'') What do you '''want'''?\\
'''Terrence:''' Oh... a dog and a beer.



* PartingWordsRegret: Ray tells Terence Mann about his estrangement with his father, admitting that when he was 17 he "packed his things, said something awful and left," only returning for his father's funeral. Later, he reveals what he said (with the implication it was something said in anger/youthful impulsiveness that he didn't really believe) and how his dad "died before I could take it back."



** Played straighter when Terrence Mann initially pretends that he didn't see anything at Fenway Park, leaving Ray to think the mission was all a fool's errand. As he prepares to drive away, though, Terrence jumps into the road and reveals the truth.

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** Played straighter when Terrence Mann initially pretends that he didn't see anything at Fenway Park, leaving Ray to think the mission was all a fool's errand. As he prepares to drive away, though, Terrence jumps into the road and reveals the truth.truth.
* SavingTheOrphanage: The family farm is in danger of foreclosure, which is why Kevin Costner's wife isn't happy when he plows over a field of corn to make a baseball diamond because he's hearing voices.



* StayWithTheAliens: The author Terrence Mann is invited by Shoeless Joe Jackson to come with him and the other ghostly ballplayers and vanish into the cornfield. This causes the protagonist Ray Kinsella to become somewhat jealous that he too wasn't invited until he realizes he has to stay behind so he can [[spoiler: play catch with his dad.]]



* SupernaturalProofFather: Mark cannot see any of the baseball players [[spoiler:until the end]].
* {{Tagline}}: "All his life, Ray Kinsella was searching for his dreams. Then one day, his dreams came looking for him."



* YouCalledMeXItMustBeSerious: Sort of. Doc Graham knows something is up with Ray, when he asks him if he's "Moonlight" Graham.

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* YouCalledMeXItMustBeSerious: Sort of. Doc Graham knows something is up with Ray, when he asks him if he's "Moonlight" Graham.

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* AndThenISaid: Ray Kinsella recounting his poignant experience with Doc Graham to Terence Mann:
-->'''Ray Kinsella:''' And then I figured maybe we're not supposed to take him with us...



* ArmorPiercingQuestion: Subverted for humor. After all but kidnapping one of his heroes, the author Terence Mann, to take him to a baseball game, Ray asks Terence, who's in the middle of a rant about why he's all but in hiding from the world, what he wants. As one might expect from a writer, Terence has his answer ready. A recluse from all the hippies he inspired in the sixties, he snaps that he wants people to stop asking him for answers, start thinking for themselves, and give him his privacy. Ray says, somewhat nonplussed, "No, I mean... whaddaya want?" and gestures. Terence follows the gesture... and [[NotActuallyTheUltimateQuestion sees an impatient looking concession stand worker]]. "Oh. Dog and a beer."'



%% ZCE * AwkwardFatherSonBondingActivity: Baseball, for Ray and his dad.

to:

%% ZCE * AwkwardFatherSonBondingActivity: Baseball, for Ray and A major part of the story is Ray's rough relationship with his dad.dad, who loved baseball. [[spoiler:At the end of the movie, his father's ghost comes to the baseball field to play with him.]]



* CartoonBugSprayer: Upon learning that Ray is "from the '60s," Terrence Mann sprays him with one of these.
-->'''Terrence Mann:''' Out! Back to the '60s! Back! There's no place for you here in the future. Get back while you still can!



* DepartureMeansDeath: If any of the ghost ballplayers who play at the field leave it, it turns out that he can no longer return to the mortal world afterwards. What happens if he decides to just ''not go back'' to the spirit world isn't explored.



%% * GameOfNerds: Terence Mann. Moonlight Graham also applies, he is a doctor after all.

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* FlyawayShot: At the end. It starts out with a shot of Ray and [[spoiler: his dad playing catch, and zooms away to reveal that a long line of cars is driving towards the field to visit.]]
%% * GameOfNerds: Terence Mann. Moonlight Graham also applies, he is a doctor after all. all.
* {{God}}: The Voice -- unknown actor, listed in credits only as "[[CharacterAsHimself Himself]]"... implication clear!



* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Like ''Film/EightMenOut'', this movie is especially hard on Kenesaw Mountain Landis, first Commissioner of Baseball. The allegation that he dealt with the Black Sox scandal in a ham-handed and unfair manner, with particular scorn coming for his treatment of "Shoeless" Joe Jackson (took money for it, and kept his teammates' actions secret), is not true. In particular, this ignores how hated the participating players in the scandal were at the time, as well as the implications the scandal held for the legitimacy of baseball. To this day, an unambiguous ban holds for gambling on baseball by anyone active in the sport, including players, coaches, manager, and owners, in part thanks to Landis.



* ItsWhatIDo: For the entire film, Creator/JDSalinger [[{{Expy}} expy]] Terence Mann has tried to justify why [[AchillesInHisTent he doesn't write anymore]]. In the denouement, he relents.
-->'''Ray:''' You're gonna write about it?\\
'''Terence:''' That's what I do.



* LostInTheMaize: Subverted. The Iowa cornfield is supernatural and mysterious, but it's awe-inspiring, not scary.



* MissingStepsPlan: PlayedForLaughs with the case of Terence Mann; after Ray "kidnaps" him, the author's father makes repeated calls to his Boston residence and, when he doesn't answer, reports him as missing, which makes the national papers. Mann decides to contact him...then wonders aloud, "What do I ''tell'' him?"



* MissingStepsPlan: PlayedForLaughs with the case of Terence Mann; after Ray "kidnaps" him, the author's father makes repeated calls to his Boston residence and, when he doesn't answer, reports him as missing, which makes the national papers. Mann decides to contact him...then wonders aloud, "What do I ''tell'' him?"
* MistakenForAfterlife: Shoeless Joe Jackson is confused about finding himself in a baseball field after he died.
-->'''Shoeless Joe Jackson:''' Hey! Is this heaven?\\
'''Ray Kinsella:''' No. It's Iowa.
* MisterSandmanSequence: Ray is briefly transported back to 1972 so he can talk with Moonlight Graham. The first things he sees are a theater marquee for ''Film/TheGodfather'' and a UsefulNotes/RichardNixon re-election poster.



* NewspaperDating: A variation occurs when Ray figures out he's walked back into 1972 by checking the registration date on a Minnesota license plate.



* NotActuallyTheUltimateQuestion: Ray Kinsella convinces Terrence Mann to go to a baseball game with him. As they walk into the stadium, they discuss Terrence's writing, his activism, and his current reclusiveness. Finally, Ray asks him:
-->'''Ray:''' So what do you want?\\
'''Terrence:''' I want people to stop looking to me for answers; begging me to speak again, write again, be a leader. I want people to start thinking for themselves. '''''And I want my privacy!'''''\\
''[{{Beat}}]''\\
'''Ray:''' No, I mean... (''points at the concession stand'') What do you '''want'''?\\
'''Terrence:''' Oh... a dog and a beer.



* PartingWordsRegret: Ray tells Terence Mann about his estrangement with his father, admitting that when he was 17 he "packed his things, said something awful and left," only returning for his father's funeral. Later, he reveals what he said (with the implication it was something said in anger/youthful impulsiveness that he didn't really believe) and how his dad "died before I could take it back."



** Played straighter when Terrence Mann initially pretends that he didn't see anything at Fenway Park, leaving Ray to think the mission was all a fool's errand. As he prepares to drive away, though, Terrence jumps into the road and reveals the truth.

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** Played straighter when Terrence Mann initially pretends that he didn't see anything at Fenway Park, leaving Ray to think the mission was all a fool's errand. As he prepares to drive away, though, Terrence jumps into the road and reveals the truth.truth.
* SavingTheOrphanage: The family farm is in danger of foreclosure, which is why Kevin Costner's wife isn't happy when he plows over a field of corn to make a baseball diamond because he's hearing voices.



* StayWithTheAliens: The author Terrence Mann is invited by Shoeless Joe Jackson to come with him and the other ghostly ballplayers and vanish into the cornfield. This causes the protagonist Ray Kinsella to become somewhat jealous that he too wasn't invited until he realizes he has to stay behind so he can [[spoiler: play catch with his dad.]]



* SupernaturalProofFather: Mark cannot see any of the baseball players [[spoiler:until the end]].
* {{Tagline}}: "All his life, Ray Kinsella was searching for his dreams. Then one day, his dreams came looking for him."



* YouCalledMeXItMustBeSerious: Sort of. Doc Graham knows something is up with Ray, when he asks him if he's "Moonlight" Graham.

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* YouCalledMeXItMustBeSerious: Sort of. Doc Graham knows something is up with Ray, when he asks him if he's "Moonlight" Graham.

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** In a meta sense, this movie is infamous among sports fans for making guys tear up watching the finale.



** Somewhat ironically, given the reason for the name change, there is a fairly well-known American stage performer named Terrence Mann in real life!
** Averted in the case of Moonlight Graham, who really did exist.



* OurGhostsAreDifferent: Only believers can see them.

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* OurGhostsAreDifferent: Only OurGhostsAreDifferent:
** Ghosts are real, self-aware, and retain their memories and skills from life, but only
believers can see them.



* PragmaticAdaptation: In the novel, Ray builds the field bit by bit (starting with the left field); in the movie, Ray builds the entire field all in one go. Plus, the movie focuses more on the magic of the field, the romanticism of baseball, and Ray's relationship with his father. It gets rid of confusing plot elements from the book such as Ray's identical twin brother Richard, and a depressing storyline with an old former ballplayer named Eddie Scissons.

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* PragmaticAdaptation: PragmaticAdaptation:
**
In the novel, Ray builds the field bit by bit (starting with the left field); in the movie, Ray builds the entire field all in one go. Plus, the movie focuses more on the magic of the field, the romanticism of baseball, and Ray's relationship with his father. It gets rid of confusing plot elements from the book such as Ray's identical twin brother Richard, and a depressing storyline with an old former ballplayer named Eddie Scissons.



* RedHerring: The voice. Ray thinks that "If you build it, he will come" refers to Shoeless Joe, "Ease his pain" refers to Terence, and "Go the distance" refers to Moonlight. [[spoiler:The voice meant Ray's father in all three instances.]]
** Moonlight ''doesn't'' hit a triple like he fantasizes about during his speech.
* RefusalOfTheCall: Subverted. Doc Graham gently turns down the chance to play on The Field, saying he'd rather be a doctor. The next morning, however, a teenage ballplayer named Archie is hitchhiking to go to minor league tryouts.

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* RedHerring: RedHerring:
**
The voice. Ray thinks that "If you build it, he will come" refers to Shoeless Joe, "Ease his pain" refers to Terence, and "Go the distance" refers to Moonlight. [[spoiler:The voice meant Ray's father in all three instances.]]
** Moonlight [[spoiler:Moonlight ''doesn't'' hit a triple like he fantasizes about during his speech.
speech.]]
* RefusalOfTheCall: RefusalOfTheCall:
**
Subverted. Doc Graham gently turns down the chance to play on The Field, saying he'd rather be a doctor. The next morning, however, a teenage ballplayer named Archie is hitchhiking to go to minor league tryouts.
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* HippieVan: The Kinsellas are shown to have been very liberal hippie-types in their youth (both went to Berkeley, both were fans of a radical author named Terence Mann, Ray jokes that his major was "the 60's"). True to their roots, Ray drives a VW bus.

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* HippieVan: The Kinsellas are shown to have been very liberal hippie-types in their youth (both went to Berkeley, both were fans of a radical author named Terence Mann, Ray jokes that his major was "the 60's").60s"). True to their roots, Ray drives a VW bus.



** The entire PTA book banning scene was invented for the film to give Annie some characterization, and also to establish Terrance Mann as a radical author from the 1960's whose work was offensive to some (which would not have been necessary if it were Salinger.)

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** The entire PTA book banning scene was invented for the film to give Annie some characterization, and also to establish Terrance Mann as a radical author from the 1960's 1960s whose work was offensive to some (which would not have been necessary if it were Salinger.)
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%% * BassoProfundo: Courtesy of James Earl Jones.
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* StageDad: Ray feels like his dad was one.
--> "He never made it as a ballplayer so he tried to get his son to make it for him. By the time I was ten, playing baseball got to be like eating vegetables or taking out the garbage."
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* SecretMessageWink: Moonlight Graham tells Ray his one wish: if he ever got to bat in the major leagues, to stare down the pitcher and wink, "making him think you know something he doesn't." Later, Archie bats at his first game and gives a wink to the pitcher to psych him out--giving a hint that [[spoiler:young Archie and Moonlight are one and the same.]]

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* SecretMessageWink: Moonlight Graham tells Ray his one wish: if he ever got to bat in the major leagues, to stare down the pitcher and wink, "making him think you know something he doesn't." Later, When Archie bats at finally gets his first game and turn at bat, he gives a wink to the pitcher to psych him out--giving pitcher--who, not understanding the gesture's intentions, throws a hint high and tight that [[spoiler:young nearly knocks Archie and Moonlight are one and the same.]]out.
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Ray Kinsella (Costner) is an honest farmer with a nice family, but explains in the prologue that he and his father, who was a baseball fanatic, had a falling-out and were unable to reconcile before the latter's death. One night, Ray is out in his cornfield when he hears a disembodied voice whisper "If you build it, he will come." Surprised, he is later given a vision that what he is supposed to build is a baseball field, and that the famously disgraced (and long-deceased) "Shoeless" Joe Jackson will return from the dead to play baseball there. For obvious reasons, Ray is left wondering how he could ever get such a bizarre idea. But after a long talk with his wife Annie (Madigan), Ray decides that he wants to do something outrageous because it feels right and not be afraid of what others might think.

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Ray Kinsella (Costner) is an honest farmer with a nice family, but explains in the prologue that he and his father, who was a baseball fanatic, had a falling-out and were unable to reconcile before the latter's death. One night, Ray is out in his cornfield when he hears a disembodied voice whisper "If you build it, he will come." Surprised, he is later given a vision that what he is supposed to build is a baseball field, and that the famously disgraced (and long-deceased) [[UsefulNotes/MajorLeagueBaseball Chicago White Sox]] player "Shoeless" Joe Jackson will return from the dead to play baseball there. For obvious reasons, Ray is left wondering how he could ever get such a bizarre idea. But after a long talk with his wife Annie (Madigan), Ray decides that he wants to do something outrageous because it feels right and not be afraid of what others might think.



** [[http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grahamo01.shtml Moonlight Graham]] was in fact a ballplayer who appeared in only one MLB game, before becoming a doctor in Chisholm, Minnesota. The film takes some liberties with his story: Graham died in 1965, but producer Creator/FrancisFordCoppola wanted to see ''Film/TheGodfather'' on a marquee, so Ray goes back to 1972 to find him. His single game was also played in 1905, not 1922.

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** [[http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grahamo01.shtml Moonlight Graham]] was in fact a ballplayer who appeared in only one MLB UsefulNotes/MajorLeagueBaseball game, before becoming a doctor in Chisholm, Minnesota. The film takes some liberties with his story: Graham died in 1965, but producer Creator/FrancisFordCoppola wanted to see ''Film/TheGodfather'' on a marquee, so Ray goes back to 1972 to find him. His single game was also played in 1905, not 1922.
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* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The famously reclusive author Terence Mann was the famously reclusive author Creator/JDSalinger in the original book, but Salinger threatened to sue if he was featured in any adaptation of the novel. Also counts as a RaceLift. Mann is also [[CompositeCharacter partly based on Creator/JamesBaldwin]], a black novelist and critic strongly associated with 1960s radical politics.

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* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The famously reclusive author Terence Mann was the famously reclusive author Creator/JDSalinger in the original book, but Salinger threatened to sue if he was featured in any adaptation of the novel. Also counts as a RaceLift. Mann is also [[CompositeCharacter partly based on Creator/JamesBaldwin]], on]] Creator/JamesBaldwin, a black novelist and critic strongly associated with 1960s radical politics.

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