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* BaitAndSwitch:
** During Catcher and Barbara's first phone call, he asks her if she can meet him in the Mahogany Room in ten minutes to discuss her book, to which she replies that that won't be possible... She'll see him there in fifteen minutes.
** In the second scene with Catcher and Barbara in Peter's apartment, the dialogue between them and their discarded shoes by the sofa imply they're having sex. When the camera reaches them on the balcony, it's revealed they're actually looking through Peter's telescope.



* BookEnds: Catcher is first seen descending out of his helicopter onto the roof of the ''Know'' offices. [[spoiler:At the end of the film, he and Barbara fly away on the same helicopter to get married in Vegas.]]

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* BookEnds: Catcher is first seen descending out of his helicopter onto the roof of the ''Know'' offices. [[spoiler:At the end of the film, he and Barbara fly away on the same another helicopter to get married in Vegas.]]
* CallBack: The latter half of Catcher and Barbara's date at Peter's apartment shows Barbara looking at the moon through Peter's telescope. [[spoiler:Towards the end, Peter reveals that Barbara threw away everything Catcher sent her to try and win her back, including the telescope.
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* TheChessmaster: [[spoiler: Barbara]]. It turns out that she [[spoiler: arranged the entire thing just to get Catcher to fall in love with her, manipulating and anticipating everything exactly for that moment]], and later [[spoiler: lured him in to applying for a job as her secretary to ask for another chance, in order to test his sincerity and maintain her dignity, while making it look like she's reluctant the whole time, and having even dyed her hair in participation of symbolic renewal]].



** Catcher's helicopter. It appears dropping him off at the ''Know'' offices when we first see him, [[spoiler:then it returns at the end when Catcher and Barbara use it to go to Vegas to get married.]]

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** Catcher's helicopter. It Helicopters. One appears dropping him Catcher off at the ''Know'' offices when we first see him, [[spoiler:then it returns another one appears at the end when Catcher and Barbara use it to go to Vegas to get married.]]



* CreatorCameo: Composer Marc Shaiman appears during the end credits as the pianist during Catcher and Barbara's performance of "Here's to Love".

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* TheChessmaster: [[spoiler: Barbara]]. It turns out that she [[spoiler: arranged the entire thing just to get Catcher to fall in love with her, manipulating and anticipating everything exactly for that moment]], and later [[spoiler: lured him in to applying for a job as her secretary to ask for another chance, in order to test his sincerity and maintain her dignity, while making it look like she's reluctant the whole time, and having even dyed her hair in participation of symbolic renewal]]. * CreatorCameo: Composer Marc Shaiman appears during the end credits as the pianist during Catcher and Barbara's performance of "Here's to Love".



** Also happened earlier, as when Barbara got fed up of Catcher standing her up, when she hangs up on him the final time, thunder can be heard in the background.



* EstablishingCharacterMoment: Catcher's first scene establishes him first as TheCasanova when he descends out of his helicopter onto the roof of the ''Know'' offices while saying goodbye to (and kissing one of) the bossa nova triplets and then flirtatiously asking his new secretary if she works for him, then he smugly reveals to Peter that not only did he get evidence of Nazis hiding in Argentina as Peter wanted him to, he got extra evidence of how they are also hiding in Florida and even wrote the full story about it, showing his worth as a star journalist.



* {{Fainting}}: Due to misinterpreting part of a conversation she was eavesdropping on involving Catcher and Peter (they were talking about the length of their socks, she thought they were talking about... you know), Catcher's new secretary passes out after hearing Catcher say, "Don't forget, I've got two of them!"

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* {{Fainting}}: Due to missing and then misinterpreting part of a conversation she was eavesdropping on involving Catcher and Peter (they were talking about the length of their socks, she thought they were talking about... you know), Catcher's new secretary passes out after hearing Catcher say, "Don't forget, I've got two of them!"



* {{Foreshadowing}}: [[spoiler: In the hairdresser, Catcher states that Peter said - though he didn't - that Barbara was a brunette and did not sound like a blonde on the telephone. As we find out later in both senses, she was, and isn't.]]

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: {{Foreshadowing}}:
** [[spoiler: Catcher and Barbara's final phone call where he stands her up has Barbara angrily rejecting Catcher, saying, "Goodbye, Mr. Block. Forever!". After BecomingTheMask, she decides she doesn't want to be with him.]]
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[[spoiler: In the hairdresser, Catcher states that Peter said - though he didn't - that Barbara was a brunette and did not sound like a blonde on the telephone. As we find out later in both senses, she was, and isn't.]]


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* HenpeckedHusband: Referenced when Vikki announces to Barbara that she wants to marry Peter, because, in her words, "at least then there'd be one man I could tell what to do".


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* LastNameBasis: Barbara is referred to as simply "Novak" a few times, notably by the Litzers, and, in a few scenes where she doesn't appear, by Catcher and Peter a few times.


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* OnlyOneName: Gladys, Gwendolyn, Yvette, Elke, the bossa nova triplets (Lola, Rosa and Nina) and Mrs Litzer.


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* OutOfContextEavesdropping: Sally, Catcher's new secretary, eavesdrops on the latter half of Catcher's conversation with Peter over the intercom, and to her it sounds like they're measuring their penises. Had she heard the first part, she would have known they were talking about the length of their socks.
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* SplitScreen: The montage of Catcher ducking out on meeting with Barbara to meet up with stewardesses is filmed this way. By the time he skips breakfast she's so annoyed the line dividing them is shaped like a lightning bolt. then there's the later sequence mentioned above under DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything.

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* SplitScreen: The montage of Catcher ducking out on meeting with Barbara to meet up with stewardesses is filmed this way. By the time he skips breakfast she's so annoyed the line dividing them is shaped like a lightning bolt. then Then there's the later sequence mentioned above under DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything.
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* NoAntagonist: [[spoiler: The closest things the film has to a bad guy is Theodore Banner and the editors at Banner House when the editors initially refuse to support the titular book and later on when Banner orders Vikki to be fired. And then after that they don’t factor into the plot again, other than a line from Vikki near the end: “Banner House bastards!”]]

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* FanserviceExtra: The Astronette dancers.



** When Catcher calls Barbara to arrange their dinner date at Peter's, Barbara is in the midst of sunbathing and Catcher is doing a workout. ** Earlier, Catcher is eating a hot dog and Peter is talking about how he needs to pick up his dry cleaning. Catcher sees Barbara and decides to do it on Peter's behalf.

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** When Catcher calls Barbara to arrange their dinner date at Peter's, Barbara is in the midst of sunbathing and Catcher is doing a workout. workout.
** Earlier, Catcher is eating a hot dog and Peter is talking about how he needs to pick up his dry cleaning. Catcher sees Barbara and decides to do it on Peter's behalf.

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* HeroesGoneFishing: When Catcher calls Barbara to arrange their dinner date at Peter's, Barbara is in the midst of sunbathing and Catcher is doing a workout. Also earlier, Catcher is eating a hot dog and Peter is talking about how he needs to pick up his dry cleaning. Catcher sees Barbara and decides to do it on Peter's behalf.

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* HeroesGoneFishing: HeroesGoneFishing:
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When Catcher calls Barbara to arrange their dinner date at Peter's, Barbara is in the midst of sunbathing and Catcher is doing a workout. Also earlier, ** Earlier, Catcher is eating a hot dog and Peter is talking about how he needs to pick up his dry cleaning. Catcher sees Barbara and decides to do it on Peter's behalf. behalf.
** Earlier still, the scene of Catcher and Peter in the Astronette bar.

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* BigDamnKiss: A good number of them between Catcher and Barbara. The one at the end of the dinner scene between the two in Peter's apartment. [[spoiler:A few after Barbara's {{Infodump}}. And finally a few in the elevator at the end.]]

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* BigDamnKiss: A good number of them between Catcher and Barbara. The one at BigDamnKiss:
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the end of the dinner scene between the two Catcher and Barbara in Peter's apartment. apartment, Catcher grabs Barbara as she attempts to leave and passionately kisses her. It leaves Barbara with brief PostKissCatatonia.
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[[spoiler:A few between Catcher and Barbara after Barbara's {{Infodump}}. And finally a few in the elevator at the end.]]{{Infodump}}]].


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** [[spoiler: A few more between Catcher and Barbara in the elevator at the end.]]


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* PostKissCatatonia: Barbara is left stunned the first time Catcher kisses her, to the point she sounds slightly hoarse when she next speaks moments later.
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In 1962, aspiring author Barbara Novak (Zellweger) arrives in New York to publish her book, ''[[TitleDrop Down with Love]]'', which encourages female empowerment through chocolate and casual sex. It becomes an international bestseller, even edging out a biography of John F. Kennedy, and millions of women everywhere buy it and start learning from its precepts. This does not sit well with the majority of men in the world, least of all Catcher Block ([=McGregor=]), a reporter for ''Know'' magazine and a {{Casanova}} rivalling Film/JamesBond in both suaveness and libido. After Novak calls him out for his behavior on national television, he hatches a scheme to get her to fall in love with him, thereby violating her own golden rule. She's already expressed her displeasure with him, so in order to get into her pants, he fabricates the persona of a country-boy astronaut who has just touched back down to earth, and as such has no idea of her book or her identity.

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In 1962, aspiring author Barbara Novak (Zellweger) arrives in New York to publish her book, ''[[TitleDrop Down with Love]]'', which encourages female empowerment through chocolate and casual sex. It becomes an international bestseller, even edging out a biography of John F. Kennedy, and millions of women everywhere buy it and start learning from its precepts. This does not sit well with the majority of men in the world, least of all Catcher Block ([=McGregor=]), a reporter for ''Know'' magazine and a {{Casanova}} rivalling rivaling Film/JamesBond himself in both suaveness and libido. After Novak calls him out for his behavior on national television, he hatches a scheme to get her to fall in love with him, thereby violating her own golden rule. She's already expressed her displeasure with him, so in order to get into her pants, he fabricates the persona of a country-boy astronaut who has just touched back down to earth, and as such has no idea of her book or her identity.
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A 2003 RomanticComedy farce, directed by Creator/PeytonReed and starring Creator/ReneeZellweger and Creator/EwanMcGregor, that both lampoons and homages [[RomanticComedy romantic comedies]] from the late 1950s and early '60s, particularly ''Film/PillowTalk'' and the other Doris Day-Rock Hudson films of the era.

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A 2003 RomanticComedy farce, directed by Creator/PeytonReed and starring Creator/ReneeZellweger and Creator/EwanMcGregor, that both lampoons and homages [[RomanticComedy romantic comedies]] classic {{romantic comed|y}}ies from the late 1950s and early '60s, particularly ''Film/PillowTalk'' and the other Doris Day-Rock Hudson films Creator/DorisDay[=/=]Creator/RockHudson movies of the era.
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* SpottingTheThread: Catcher uses a Southern accent when he's posing as Zip Martin. [[OohMeAccentsSlipping It slips when he tells Barbara she has an eyelash]]. Barbara picks up on this. [[spoiler:Subverted, though, because Barbara knew who Catcher really was all along.]]
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* CharacterFilibuster: Barbara's {{Infodump}}. It lasts three minutes and, save for one line, occurs in one take.

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* SplitScreen: The montage of Catcher ducking out on meeting with Barbara to meet up with stewardesses is filmed this way. By the time he skips breakfast she's so annoyed the line dividing them is shaped like a lightning bolt. then there's the later sequence mentioned above under DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything.



* ValuesDissonance: Mostly DeliberateValuesDissonance, considering it’s all a satire of early 60’s culture, but even in 2003 is wasn’t known to many that [[spoiler: having sex under a false identity]] is technically rape.
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*ValuesDissonance: Mostly DeliberateValuesDissonance, considering it’s all a satire of early 60’s culture, but even in 2003 is wasn’t known to many that [[spoiler: having sex under a false identity]] is technically rape.
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* TheChessmaster: [[spoiler: Barbara]]. It turns out that she [[spoiler: Arranged the entire thing just to get Catcher to fall in love with her, manipulating and anticipating everything exactly for that moment]], and later [[spoiler: lured him in to applying for a job as her secretary to ask for another chance, in order to test his sincerity and maintain her dignity, while making it look like she's reluctant the whole time, and having even dyed her hair in participation of symbolic renewal]].

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* TheChessmaster: [[spoiler: Barbara]]. It turns out that she [[spoiler: Arranged arranged the entire thing just to get Catcher to fall in love with her, manipulating and anticipating everything exactly for that moment]], and later [[spoiler: lured him in to applying for a job as her secretary to ask for another chance, in order to test his sincerity and maintain her dignity, while making it look like she's reluctant the whole time, and having even dyed her hair in participation of symbolic renewal]].
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* TheOner:

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* TheOner: See OverlyLongGag.

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* MistakenForGay: Peter, played by gay actor David Hyde Pierce.

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* MistakenForGay: Peter, [[CastingGag played by gay actor actor]] David Hyde Pierce.


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* OverlyLongGag: Barbara's speech at the end. It just keeps going on and on and on and ''on'' for three whole minutes with the camera fixed dead-center on Zellweger the whole time.
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* GettingCrapPastTheRadar: Catcher has this to say upon seeing the GodivaHair beatnik chick: "And after being grounded for twenty-four days, this astronaut is ready to blast off!"

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* CreatorCameo: Composer Marc Shaiman appears during the end credits as the pianist during Catcher and Barbara's performance of "Here's to Love".
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* FengSchwing: Spoofed with Catcher's apartment, which, among other things, has a hideaway bar that takes up the entire wall.

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* FengSchwing: Spoofed with Catcher's apartment, which, among other things, has a hideaway bar that takes up the entire wall. Hilarity ensues when Catcher suggests Peter borrow the apartment to seduce Vikki but Peter doesn't know how any of the controls work.
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* GettingCrapPastTheRadar: Catcher has this to say upon seeing the GodivaHair beatnik chick: "And after being grounded for twenty-four days, this astronaut is ready to blast off!"
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* BadBoss: Theodore Banner gets a moment of this, [[spoiler:when he tells the other editors that he wants Vikki fired from Banner House, or he'll fire them instead: "You're my creative team! Create a reason to get rid of her. Or I'll create a new creative team."]]
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* TheChessmaster: [[spoiler: Barbara]]. It turns out that she [[spoiler: Arranged the entire thing just to get Catcher to fall in love with her, manipulating and anticipating everything exactly for that moment]], and later [[spoiler: lured him in to applying for a job as her secretary to ask for another chance, in order to test his sincerity and maintain her dignity, while making it look like she's reluctant the whole time, and having even dyed her hair in participation of symbolic renewal]].
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There is also a BetaCouple of Barbara's chain-smoking best friend and publisher Vikki Hiller (Creator/SarahPaulson) and Catcher's neurotic boss Peter [=MacMannus=] (David Hyde Pierce), who get drawn into the hijinks of Catcher and Barbara.

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There is also a BetaCouple of Barbara's chain-smoking best friend and publisher Vikki Hiller (Creator/SarahPaulson) and Catcher's neurotic boss Peter [=MacMannus=] (David Hyde Pierce), (Creator/DavidHydePierce), who get drawn into the hijinks of Catcher and Barbara.
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* LineOfSightName: Catcher's alias of "Zip Martin", via signs in a drycleaners.

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* LineOfSightName: LineOfSightAlias: Catcher's alias of "Zip Martin", via signs in a drycleaners.
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** Includes an absolutely priceless ReactionShot from Ewan [=McGregor=].

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** Includes an absolutely priceless ReactionShot from Ewan [=McGregor=].[=McGregor=] afterwards.
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* ChekhovsGunman: Gwendolyn first appears as the first of Catcher's girlfriends, which prevents him from meeting Barbara until the scene in the dry cleaner's. [[spoiler:She appears later when she ruins Catcher's plan by entering his apartment [[ChekhovsGun using the key he leaves out for his girlfriends]] and [[SayMyName using his name]]. She returns larter in the same scene to thank Barbara for what she has done for womankind, causing Barbara to [[BecomingTheMask Become The Mask]] and decide she doesn't want to be with Catcher.]]

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* ChekhovsGunman: Gwendolyn first appears as the first of Catcher's girlfriends, which prevents him from meeting Barbara until the scene in the dry cleaner's. [[spoiler:She appears later when she ruins Catcher's plan by entering his apartment [[ChekhovsGun using the key he leaves out for his girlfriends]] and [[SayMyName using his name]]. She returns larter later in the same scene to thank Barbara for what she has done for womankind, causing Barbara to [[BecomingTheMask Become The Mask]] and decide she doesn't want to be with Catcher.]]
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* HeelRealization: [[spoiler:Catcher has one when Barbara gives him her speech, as seen in the ReactionShot afterwards, and the fact that he accepts he is the man who hurt Barbara in the past.]]


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* HeroicBSOD: [[spoiler:Catcher has one when Barbara admits she doesn't want love, or him, becoming depressed and lonely. Peter has a milder one around the same time, as his relationship with Vikki now revolves around sex.]]
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* PersonaNonGrata: Barbara name-drops the trope when talking to Vikki, saying that she is ''persona non grata'' to all men, proving it by adding that she can't even get picked up by a taxi driver because of her book.
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Aspiring author Barbara Novak (Zellweger) arrives in New York to publish her book, ''[[TitleDrop Down With Love]]'', which encourages female empowerment through chocolate and casual sex. It becomes an international best seller, even edging out a biography of John F. Kennedy, and millions of women everywhere buy it and start learning from its precepts. This does not sit well with the majority of men in the world, least of all Catcher Block ([=McGregor=]), a reporter for ''Know'' magazine and a {{Casanova}} rivalling Film/JamesBond in both suaveness and libido. After Novak calls him out for his behavior on national television, he hatches a scheme to get her to fall in love with him, thereby violating her own golden rule. She's already expressed her displeasure with him, so in order to get into her pants, he fabricates the persona of a country-boy astronaut who has just touched back down to earth, and as such has no idea of her book or her identity.

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Aspiring In 1962, aspiring author Barbara Novak (Zellweger) arrives in New York to publish her book, ''[[TitleDrop Down With with Love]]'', which encourages female empowerment through chocolate and casual sex. It becomes an international best seller, bestseller, even edging out a biography of John F. Kennedy, and millions of women everywhere buy it and start learning from its precepts. This does not sit well with the majority of men in the world, least of all Catcher Block ([=McGregor=]), a reporter for ''Know'' magazine and a {{Casanova}} rivalling Film/JamesBond in both suaveness and libido. After Novak calls him out for his behavior on national television, he hatches a scheme to get her to fall in love with him, thereby violating her own golden rule. She's already expressed her displeasure with him, so in order to get into her pants, he fabricates the persona of a country-boy astronaut who has just touched back down to earth, and as such has no idea of her book or her identity.
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Aspiring author Barbara Novak (Zellweger) arrives in New York to publish her book, ''[[TitleDrop Down With Love]]'', which encourages female empowerment through chocolate and casual sex. It becomes an international best seller, even edging out a biography of John F. Kennedy, and millions of women everywhere buy it and start learning from its precepts. This does not sit well with the majority of men in the world, least of all Catcher Block ([=McGregor=]), a reporter for Know Magazine, and TheCasanova rivalling Film/JamesBond in both suaveness and libido. After Novak calls him out for his behavior on national television, he hatches a scheme to get her to fall in love with him, thereby violating her own golden rule. She's already expressed her displeasure with him, so in order to get into her pants, he fabricates the persona of a country-boy astronaut who has just touched back down to earth, and as such has no idea of her book or her identity.

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Aspiring author Barbara Novak (Zellweger) arrives in New York to publish her book, ''[[TitleDrop Down With Love]]'', which encourages female empowerment through chocolate and casual sex. It becomes an international best seller, even edging out a biography of John F. Kennedy, and millions of women everywhere buy it and start learning from its precepts. This does not sit well with the majority of men in the world, least of all Catcher Block ([=McGregor=]), a reporter for Know Magazine, ''Know'' magazine and TheCasanova a {{Casanova}} rivalling Film/JamesBond in both suaveness and libido. After Novak calls him out for his behavior on national television, he hatches a scheme to get her to fall in love with him, thereby violating her own golden rule. She's already expressed her displeasure with him, so in order to get into her pants, he fabricates the persona of a country-boy astronaut who has just touched back down to earth, and as such has no idea of her book or her identity.
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A 2003 RomanticComedy farce, directed by Creator/PeytonReed and starring Creator/ReneeZellweger and Creator/EwanMcGregor, that lampoons [[RomanticComedy romantic comedies]] from the late 1950s and early '60s, particularly ''Film/PillowTalk'' and the other Doris Day-Rock Hudson films of the era.

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A 2003 RomanticComedy farce, directed by Creator/PeytonReed and starring Creator/ReneeZellweger and Creator/EwanMcGregor, that both lampoons and homages [[RomanticComedy romantic comedies]] from the late 1950s and early '60s, particularly ''Film/PillowTalk'' and the other Doris Day-Rock Hudson films of the era.

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