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as noted, karma houdini probably doesn\'t apply here, and the noodle incident was in fact explained: caine lost a lot of money for himself and palmer when he threw in the towel in a fight that palmer was only pretending to lose
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* ActorAllusion, Caine tries to inspire Roy by reminding him that he's black, saying, "It's a ''{{Roots}}'' kind of thing. Louis Gossett Jr. was in ''{{Roots}}''.
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* ActorAllusion, ActorAllusion /CelebrityParadox: Caine tries to inspire Roy by reminding him that he's black, saying, "It's a ''{{Roots}}'' kind of thing. Louis Gossett Jr. was in ''{{Roots}}''.
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* CareerEndingInjury: Happened to Diggs during his last fight [[spoiler:from having been poisoned by Gillon]].
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* TheBet: Caine and Gillon bet on whether or not Palmer can win ten fights in a single day against ten men from the county where Diggstown is.
* BlackAndGrayMorality: Caine is a con man who is trying to win a bet by fixing a bunch of boxing matches. Gillon for his part is thoroughly evil and has no problem committing murder to win that same bet.
* CareerEndingInjury: Happened to Diggs during his last fight[[spoiler:from from having been poisoned by Gillon]].Gillon.
* BlackAndGrayMorality: Caine is a con man who is trying to win a bet by fixing a bunch of boxing matches. Gillon for his part is thoroughly evil and has no problem committing murder to win that same bet.
* CareerEndingInjury: Happened to Diggs during his last fight
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* CorruptHick: Gillon.
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* CorruptHick: Gillon.ChekhovsGunman: Minoso Torres, the prison fighter seen giving a beatdown to Wolf Forrester in the opening scene, is brought back at the climax, as Palmer's 10th opponent.
* CorruptHick: Gillon, who has nothing against poisoning and/or killing people to win wagers.
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* TheDragon: Paolo is this to Victor Corsini.
* GreyAndBlackMorality: Gabriel Caine makes a living conning and using people but Gillon's methods is so ruthless that he makes Caine look heroic in comparison.
* HangoverSensitivity: Fitz on the morning after the setup. [[spoiler: He breaks when he hears that Roy is not in the game yet, though Caine's life (and probably his own) relies on success.]]
* HustlingTheMark: Fitz in the setup.
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* TheDragon: Paolo is this to Victor Corsini.
* GreyAndBlackMorality: Gabriel Caine makes a living conning and using people but Gillon's methods is so ruthless that he makes Caine look heroic in comparison.
* HangoverSensitivity: Fitz on the morning after the setup. [[spoiler: He breaks when he hears that Roy is not in the game yet, though Caine's life (and probably his own) relies on success.]]
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* DeepSouth
DeepSouth: As always, filled with violent racists!
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DownToTheLastPlay: Partially justified. Hypothetically Palmer could have gotten knocked out by the third boxer or something, but then the movie wouldn't have had a HappyEnding.
* TheDragon:Paolo Paolo, who really wants to kill Caine for some unexplained reason, is this to Victor Corsini.
* GreyAndBlackMorality: Gabriel Caine makes a living conning and using people but Gillon's methods is so ruthless that he makes Caine look heroic in comparison.
* HangoverSensitivity: Fitz on the morning after the setup. [[spoiler: He breaks The pills he took when he hears that Roy is not in was husting the game yet, though Caine's life (and probably his own) relies on success.]]
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* KarmaHoudini: Gillon ultimately loses the bet, but he never gets any comeuppance [[spoiler: for killing Slim]].
** Given his villain breakdown at the end, lost complete respect from his son, and getting punched out by Slim's brother he didn't completely get away with it.
*** He also assaults the town sheriff and takes his gun. Given that he is broke and no longer runs this town, the sheriff is likely to put him in jail for that.
*** Also, the mobsters almost lynched Caine when they thought he ''might'' not be able to pay them back. Gillon now owes the same mobsters, and he ''definitely'' can't pay them.
** Given his villain breakdown at the end, lost complete respect from his son, and getting punched out by Slim's brother he didn't completely get away with it.
*** He also assaults the town sheriff and takes his gun. Given that he is broke and no longer runs this town, the sheriff is likely to put him in jail for that.
*** Also, the mobsters almost lynched Caine when they thought he ''might'' not be able to pay them back. Gillon now owes the same mobsters, and he ''definitely'' can't pay them.
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* NoodleIncident: Caine and Palmer refer to a cash fight in Mouline, which caused them to break up. Very few details are revealed.
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* [[spoiler: PlayingDrunk: Fitz in the setup.]]setup, faking intoxication to win a lot of money from the rednecks in the bar.
* RedHerring: A spectacularly gorgeous Creator/HeatherGraham plays the sister of Caine's prison buddy. It seems like she and Caine will become an item. They don't.
* SecondFaceSmoke: One of Palmer's opponents takes a puff on a cigar as he enters the ring and then does this to Palmer. Palmer responds by knocking him out with ease.
* RedHerring: A spectacularly gorgeous Creator/HeatherGraham plays the sister of Caine's prison buddy. It seems like she and Caine will become an item. They don't.
* SecondFaceSmoke: One of Palmer's opponents takes a puff on a cigar as he enters the ring and then does this to Palmer. Palmer responds by knocking him out with ease.
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* TattooedCrook: Torres.Torres, Palmer's last opponent.
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* VillainProtagonist: In a way Gabriel Cain is considered this.
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*** Also, the mobsters almost lynched Caine when they thought he ''might'' not be able to pay them back. Gillon now owes the same mobsters, and he ''definitely'' can't pay them.
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* OutGambitted: Gillon is defeated after a back-and-forth battle of gambits to rig the wager. Realising that he'd been bested by a superior conman, Gillon admits, "You beat me fair and square!"
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* OutGambitted: Gillon is defeated after a back-and-forth battle of gambits to rig the wager. Realising Realizing that he'd been bested by a superior conman, Gillon admits, "You beat me fair and square!"
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** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: At the end, even he is disgusted with his father and tells him "You deserved to lose."
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* GreyAndBlackMorality: Gabriel Caine makes a living conning and using people but Gillon's methods is so ruthless that he makes Caine look heroic in comparison.
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* VillainProtagonist: In a way Gabriel Cain is considered this.
* VillainProtagonist: In a way Gabriel Cain is considered this.
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* TheNoodleIncident: Caine and Palmer refer to a cash fight in Mouline, which caused them to break up. Very few details are revealed.
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* HangoverSensitivity: Fitz on the morning after the setup. [[spoiler: He breaks when he hears that Roy is not in the game yet, though Caine's life (and probably his own) relies on success.]]
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* CheatersNeverProsper: A fighter is disqualified for kicking Roy in the crotch. He goes on hitting the referee, before Roy strikes back.
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* KansasCityShuffle: [[spoiler: Caine intends to bribe the Diggstown fighters. Gillon suspects this, and brings in Minoso Torres from the prison... who was also bribed by Caine, before the setup.]]
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* SpoiledBrat: Robby, who gets a classic car from his father [[spoiler:only to lose it to Fitz a few days later.]]
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* CareerEndingInjury: Happened to Diggs during his last fight [[spoiler:from having been poisoned by Gillon]].
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* SuperRinger: [[spoiler:Played twice, for the two last fights. For the ninth, Gillon drafts Hammerhead Hagan, who had moved into the county before the rules were made. The second time, Gillon has recruited Minoso Torres from the prison, which is within the county.]]
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* ThrowingTheFight: Gillon does it in the introduction. Caine intends to do it later.
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* ThrowingTheFight: Gillon does it in the introduction. Caine intends to do it later.later.
* TrainingMontage: In the second act.
* TrainingMontage: In the second act.
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* ShoutOut: When Caine is trying to inspire Palmer against a particularly tough fighter, he gives a little speech acknowledging how tough his opponent is, ending with, "But you remember this! You... are black." Palmer wonders what the hell that means, and Caine admits he was trying to inspire him; "It's a ''{{Roots}}'' kind of thing." Palmer retorts, "Well, you're shit at motivation."
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* ShoutOut: When Caine is trying to inspire Palmer against a particularly tough fighter, he gives a little speech acknowledging how tough his opponent is, ending with, "But you remember this! You... are black." Palmer wonders what the hell that means, and Caine admits he was trying to inspire him; "It's a ''{{Roots}}'' kind of thing." Palmer retorts, "Well, you're shit at motivation.""
* ThrowingTheFight: Gillon does it in the introduction. Caine intends to do it later.
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*** He also assaults the town sheriff and takes his gun. Given that he is broke and no longer runs this town, the sheriff is likely to put him in jail for that.
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** Given his villainousbreakdown at the end, lost complete respect from his son, and getting punched out by Slim's brother he didn't completely get away with it.
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** Given his villainousbreakdown at the end, lost complete respect from his son, and getting punched out by Slim's brother he didn't completely get away with it.
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* KarmaHoudini: Gillon ultimately loses the bet, but he never gets any comeuppance [[spoiler: for killing that poor boxer's brother]].
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* ShoutOut: When Caine is trying to inspire Palmer against a particularly tough fighter, he gives a little speech acknowledging how tough his opponent is, ending with, "But you remember this! You... are black." Palmer wonders what the hell that means, and Caine admits he was trying to inspire him; "It's a ''{{Roots}}'' kind of thing." Palmer retorts, "Well, you're shit at motivation."
** Doubles as an ActorAllusion, as Lou Gossett Jr. was in ''{{Roots}}''.
** Doubles as an ActorAllusion, as Lou Gossett Jr. was in ''{{Roots}}''.
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* ShoutOut: When Caine is trying to inspire Palmer against a particularly tough fighter, he gives a little speech acknowledging how tough his opponent is, ending with, "But you remember this! You... are black." Palmer wonders what the hell that means, and Caine admits he was trying to inspire him; "It's a ''{{Roots}}'' kind of thing." Palmer retorts, "Well, you're shit at motivation."
** Doubles as an ActorAllusion, as Lou Gossett Jr. was in ''{{Roots}}''."
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* ShoutOut: When Caine is trying to inspire Palmer against a particularly tough fighter, he gives a little speech acknowledging how tough his opponent is, ending with, "But you remember this! You... are black." Palmer wonders what the hell that means, and Caine admits he was trying to inspire him; "It's a ''{{Roots}}'' kind of thing." Palmer retorts, "Well, you're shit at motivation."
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* ShoutOut: When Caine is trying to inspire Palmer against a particularly tough fighter, he gives a little speech acknowledging how tough his opponent is, ending with, "But you remember this! You... are black." Palmer wonders what the hell that means, and Caine admits he was trying to inspire him; "It's a ''{{Roots}}'' kind of thing." Palmer retorts, "Well, you're shit at motivation.""
** Doubles as an ActorAllusion, as Lou Gossett Jr. was in ''{{Roots}}''.
** Doubles as an ActorAllusion, as Lou Gossett Jr. was in ''{{Roots}}''.
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* ActorAllusion, Caine tries to inspire Roy by reminding him that he's black, saying, "It's a ''{{Roots}}'' kind of thing. Louis Gossett Jr. was in ''{{Roots}}''.
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* IronicEcho: A particularly awesome non-verbal example. [[spoiler: Gillon signals to a fighter to throw the fight by giving what looks like a thumbs-up gesture, then changing it to thumbs down. Caine does the same thing to Palmer's last opponent, Minoso Torres, to let him know it's time to throw that fight.]]
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* IronicEcho: A particularly awesome non-verbal example. [[spoiler: Gillon signals to a fighter to throw the a fight by giving what looks like standing up, straightening his tie, holding a thumbs-up gesture, thumb up and then changing turning it to thumbs down. Caine does the exact same thing to Palmer's last opponent, Minoso Torres, to let him know it's time to throw that fight.]]
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** He's still a sore loser, as his next action is to grab the sheriff's gun and try to shoot Caine, only to be stopped by his own son.
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* ShoutOut: When Caine is trying to inspire Palmer against a particularly tough fighter, he gives a little speech acknowledging how tough his opponent is, ending with, "But you remember this! You... are black." Palmer wonders what the hell that means, and Caine admits he was trying to inspire him; "It's a ''{{Roots}}'' kind of thing." Palmer retorts, "Well, you're shit at motivation." Doubles as a {{Crowning Moment of Funny}}. Also an ActorAllusion, as Louis Gossett Jr. was in {{Roots}}.
** There was an echo of this later on (but it was cut and only appears in one of the trailers). Roy is facing a nightmare challenger from his past.
-->'''Roy''' He seems awful mad.. (beat) Did you tell him he was black?
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-->'''Roy''' He seems awful mad.. (beat) Did you tell him he was black?
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* ShoutOut: When Caine is trying to inspire Palmer against a particularly tough fighter, he gives a little speech acknowledging how tough his opponent is, ending with, "But you remember this! You... are black." Palmer wonders what the hell that means, and Caine admits he was trying to inspire him; "It's a ''{{Roots}}'' kind of thing." Palmer retorts, "Well, you're shit at motivation." Doubles as a {{Crowning Moment of Funny}}. Also an ActorAllusion, as Louis Gossett Jr. was in {{Roots}}.
** There was an echo of this later on (but it was cut and only appears in one of the trailers). Roy is facing a nightmare challenger from his past.
-->'''Roy''' He seems awful mad.. (beat) Did you tell him he was black?
** There was an echo of this later on (but it was cut and only appears in one of the trailers). Roy is facing a nightmare challenger from his past.
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* BattleOfWits: To quote two characters: Never try and hustle a hustler[.] Never con a con-man.
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-->''There's two things we never joke about here in Diggstown, Mr. Caine; our boxing and our betting.''
'''''Diggstown''''' is a 1992 boxing film starring James Woods, Louis Gosset Jr. and Bruce Dern.
James Woods stars as Gabriel Caine, a conman with a plan to hustle the corrupt city boss of Diggstown, John Gillon, with a daring boxing wager. Louis Gossett Jr. plays "Honey" Roy Palmer, a retired, almost-was boxer who must defeat ten opponents in 24 hours to win millions of dollars. Both sides of the bet try to out-fox the other with various schemes to rig the contest in their favor.
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!!This film provides examples of:
* AnticlimaxBoss: Played intentionally as part of TheCon. [[spoiler:Palmer is barely able to stand after defeating his old nemesis in the final fight, only to learn that he must face ''another'' badass boxer, Minoso Torres. Unbeknownst to him, however, Torres and Caine have already arranged a fix, and Torres lays down after one punch.]]
* AwesomeMcCoolname: Gabriel Caine.
* BadassGrandpa: Honey Roy Palmer is over-the-hill, but still kicks ass in the ring.
* BattleOfWits: To quote two characters: Never try and hustle a hustler[.] Never con a con-man.
* TheCon: Subverted by the fact that both Caine and Gillon know that the other is trying to hustle them, but make the wager anyway, believing that they will get the upper hand.
* DeadpanSnarker: Gabriel Caine
** When the prison warden is holding a gun on him...
-->'''Caine:''' You know, Warden, I owe you an apology. When they told me you had blanks in your clip, I didn't know they meant your gun.
** When the underling of the gangster who's fronting his bet is about to hang him from a tree:
-->'''Paolo:''' It looks like I finally get to kill you after all.
-->'''Caine:''' Well, that's a distinct possibility. But I'd bet, I don't know, four dollars against an hour with your mother that it doesn't turn out that way. (''Paoulo punches him in the stomach'') You're right. That was insulting. I'm sorry. Five bucks.
* TheDragon: Paolo is this to Victor Corsini.
* IronicEcho: A particularly awesome non-verbal example. [[spoiler: Gillon signals to a fighter to throw the fight by giving what looks like a thumbs-up gesture, then changing it to thumbs down. Caine does the same thing to Palmer's last opponent, Minoso Torres, to let him know it's time to throw that fight.]]
* KickTheDog: Gillon holds one boxer's brother hostage, threatening to kill him if the boxer doesn't knock out Palmer. [[spoiler:He doesn't knock out Palmer.]]
* MadeOfIron: Honey Roy takes a beating from several fighters in a 24 hour period, only to emerge victorious. Even during one fixed fight, he encourages the fighter to hit him harder to sell the fix, stating, "I ain't made of glass!"
* OutGambitted: Gillon is defeated after a back-and-forth battle of gambits to rig the wager. Realising that he'd been bested by a superior conman, Gillon admits, "You beat me fair and square!"
** He's still a sore loser, as his next action is to grab the sheriff's gun and try to shoot Caine, only to be stopped by his own son.
* ThePlace
* ShoutOut: When Caine is trying to inspire Palmer against a particularly tough fighter, he gives a little speech acknowledging how tough his opponent is, ending with, "But you remember this! You... are black." Palmer wonders what the hell that means, and Caine admits he was trying to inspire him; "It's a ''{{Roots}}'' kind of thing." Palmer retorts, "Well, you're shit at motivation." Doubles as a {{Crowning Moment of Funny}}. Also an ActorAllusion, as Louis Gossett Jr. was in {{Roots}}.
** There was an echo of this later on (but it was cut and only appears in one of the trailers). Roy is facing a nightmare challenger from his past.
-->'''Roy''' He seems awful mad.. (beat) Did you tell him he was black?
'''''Diggstown''''' is a 1992 boxing film starring James Woods, Louis Gosset Jr. and Bruce Dern.
James Woods stars as Gabriel Caine, a conman with a plan to hustle the corrupt city boss of Diggstown, John Gillon, with a daring boxing wager. Louis Gossett Jr. plays "Honey" Roy Palmer, a retired, almost-was boxer who must defeat ten opponents in 24 hours to win millions of dollars. Both sides of the bet try to out-fox the other with various schemes to rig the contest in their favor.
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!!This film provides examples of:
* AnticlimaxBoss: Played intentionally as part of TheCon. [[spoiler:Palmer is barely able to stand after defeating his old nemesis in the final fight, only to learn that he must face ''another'' badass boxer, Minoso Torres. Unbeknownst to him, however, Torres and Caine have already arranged a fix, and Torres lays down after one punch.]]
* AwesomeMcCoolname: Gabriel Caine.
* BadassGrandpa: Honey Roy Palmer is over-the-hill, but still kicks ass in the ring.
* BattleOfWits: To quote two characters: Never try and hustle a hustler[.] Never con a con-man.
* TheCon: Subverted by the fact that both Caine and Gillon know that the other is trying to hustle them, but make the wager anyway, believing that they will get the upper hand.
* DeadpanSnarker: Gabriel Caine
** When the prison warden is holding a gun on him...
-->'''Caine:''' You know, Warden, I owe you an apology. When they told me you had blanks in your clip, I didn't know they meant your gun.
** When the underling of the gangster who's fronting his bet is about to hang him from a tree:
-->'''Paolo:''' It looks like I finally get to kill you after all.
-->'''Caine:''' Well, that's a distinct possibility. But I'd bet, I don't know, four dollars against an hour with your mother that it doesn't turn out that way. (''Paoulo punches him in the stomach'') You're right. That was insulting. I'm sorry. Five bucks.
* TheDragon: Paolo is this to Victor Corsini.
* IronicEcho: A particularly awesome non-verbal example. [[spoiler: Gillon signals to a fighter to throw the fight by giving what looks like a thumbs-up gesture, then changing it to thumbs down. Caine does the same thing to Palmer's last opponent, Minoso Torres, to let him know it's time to throw that fight.]]
* KickTheDog: Gillon holds one boxer's brother hostage, threatening to kill him if the boxer doesn't knock out Palmer. [[spoiler:He doesn't knock out Palmer.]]
* MadeOfIron: Honey Roy takes a beating from several fighters in a 24 hour period, only to emerge victorious. Even during one fixed fight, he encourages the fighter to hit him harder to sell the fix, stating, "I ain't made of glass!"
* OutGambitted: Gillon is defeated after a back-and-forth battle of gambits to rig the wager. Realising that he'd been bested by a superior conman, Gillon admits, "You beat me fair and square!"
** He's still a sore loser, as his next action is to grab the sheriff's gun and try to shoot Caine, only to be stopped by his own son.
* ThePlace
* ShoutOut: When Caine is trying to inspire Palmer against a particularly tough fighter, he gives a little speech acknowledging how tough his opponent is, ending with, "But you remember this! You... are black." Palmer wonders what the hell that means, and Caine admits he was trying to inspire him; "It's a ''{{Roots}}'' kind of thing." Palmer retorts, "Well, you're shit at motivation." Doubles as a {{Crowning Moment of Funny}}. Also an ActorAllusion, as Louis Gossett Jr. was in {{Roots}}.
** There was an echo of this later on (but it was cut and only appears in one of the trailers). Roy is facing a nightmare challenger from his past.
-->'''Roy''' He seems awful mad.. (beat) Did you tell him he was black?