Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Added example(s), Crosswicking
Added DiffLines:
* AdoptionConflict: Timon fears that this trope is in play when he meets Sarabi, as he believes that he and Pumbaa were poor foster parents for Simba. However, his fears are in vain, as Sarabi is merely grateful that they protected her son until he was an adult, and that they helped bring him home.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* AdoptingTheAbused: While they wouldn't know the details about Simba's past until much later, Timon and Pumbaa pulled this trope when they find Simba in the desert. [[spoiler: When Timon later apologizes to Mufasa for not giving Simba what he needed the most back when they first met, Mufasa disagrees, saying that what Simba needed right then was love, something Timon and Pumbaa gave him plenty of.]]
Added DiffLines:
* AmazinglyEmbarrassingParents: Timon feels this way about his mother, as he feels that some of her comments (especially the ones regarding him finding a mate) are inappropriate and make everyone uncomfortable.
Added DiffLines:
* YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre: [[spoiler: When Timon ends up half-dead and has a conversation with Mufasa, he lets all of his insecurities about him being a bad parent come to the surface, namely his belief that he did a much worse job raising Simba than Mufasa would have if he had lived. Mufasa disagrees, telling Timon how everything he and Pumbaa did benefited Simba and made him a better king than Mufasa could have hoped.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Deleted line(s) 17 (click to see context) :
%%* DisneyDeath: [[spoiler:Timon.]]
Deleted line(s) 26 (click to see context) :
%%* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler:Sarabi.]]
Deleted line(s) 28 (click to see context) :
%%* NearDeathExperience: [[spoiler:Timon.]]
Deleted line(s) 36,37 (click to see context) :
%%* SitcomArchNemesis: Timon and Zazu.
%%* StarsAreSouls: ...not fireflies.
%%* StarsAreSouls: ...not fireflies.
Deleted line(s) 40 (click to see context) :
%%* WouldHurtAChild: [[spoiler:Zira.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Deleted line(s) 6 (click to see context) :
Changed line(s) 18 (click to see context) from:
* DisneyDeath: [[spoiler:Timon.]]
to:
Changed line(s) 27 (click to see context) from:
* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler:Sarabi.]]
to:
Changed line(s) 29 (click to see context) from:
* NearDeathExperience: [[spoiler:Timon.]]
to:
Changed line(s) 37,38 (click to see context) from:
* SitcomArchNemesis: Timon and Zazu.
* StarsAreSouls: ...not fireflies.
* StarsAreSouls: ...not fireflies.
to:
Changed line(s) 41 (click to see context) from:
* WouldHurtAChild: [[spoiler:Zira.]]
to:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* ImTakingHerHomeWithMe: Like in canon, this is what Pumbaa did the second he and Timon found Simba in the desert.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
See this post
for why this doesn't fit the trope.
for why this doesn't fit the trope.Deleted line(s) 38 (click to see context) :
* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: While Simba initially adheres to an all-bug diet, it quickly becomes clear to Timon that a growing lion cub can't find enough bugs to eat to satisfy his hunger. Simba is eventually forced to eat small birds and lizards along with the bugs, with his friends pretending they don't know.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* HappilyAdopted: When they found him in the desert, Timon and Pumbaa all but adopted Simba, who lived happily with them until adulthood.
Added DiffLines:
* InterspeciesAdoption: Timon (a meerkat) and Pumbaa (a warthog) all but adopt Simba (a lion cub). Later inverted when Simba brings the two into his pride, making them (aside from Zazu) the only non-lions to live at Pride Rock.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* DeclarationOfProtection: Timon delivers one when [[spoiler: he leaps onto Simba's attacker, saving his life]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: While Simba initially adheres to an all-bug diet, it quickly becomes clear to Timon that a growing lion cub can't find enough bugs to eat to satisfy his hunger. Simba is eventually forced to eat small birds and lizards along with the bugs, with his friends pretending they don't know.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
This or these examples of Surprisingly Realistic Outcome seem to violate at least one of these rules, which disqualifies them: No character reactions (characters get angry, don't forgive, don't change their personality instantly, etc.); Too fantastical (depends on the properties of magic, powers, sci-fi tech, monsters, etc.); Not surprising (a character was warned about the outcome, it's used to provide Karma or An Aesop, or it simply follows normal conventions for this genre or medium); Plot happens (the example only describes an event, but not why audiences would expect a different, unrealistic outcome); Not an outcome (a character just explains why something wouldn't work as expected, or something is just an innate aspect of the setting or character that has a logical reason for being present); More of a Deconstruction (the event has major, lasting effects on the plot, make something more realistic, but not completely realistic, or a parody/fanwork applies realistic consequences to the events of a different work); or fits better under a different trope. See the trope's definition for more details. If you believe a removal was a mistake, please bring it up in the cleanup thread.
.Deleted line(s) 35 (click to see context) :
* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: Contrary to what was shown in the movie, Simba, a carnivore, can't survive [[VegetarianCarnivore entirely off of bugs]]. He becomes dangerously malnourished to the point where Timon has to teach him to hunt lizards and birds so he won't starve to death.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 9 (click to see context) from:
* AcceptableBreaksFromCanon: This is way before WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard. In this fic, Kovu and Nuka are half-siblings as in not adopted. While Nuka is indeed the son of Scar, Kovu is a HeroicBastard from a rogue.
to:
* AcceptableBreaksFromCanon: This is way before WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard.''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard''. In this fic, Kovu and Nuka are half-siblings as in not adopted. While Nuka is indeed the son of Scar, Kovu is a HeroicBastard from a rogue.
* DeathOfAChild: Timon mentions that he used to have siblings, but they were dead due to the whole "prey animal" thing. Hence his mother's smothering protectiveness. [[spoiler: Kiara's brother was also killed by Zira.]]
Deleted line(s) 16 (click to see context) :
* DeathOfAChild: Timon mentions that he used to have siblings, but they were dead due to the whole "prey animal" thing. Hence his mother's smothering protectiveness. [[spoiler: Kiara's brother was also killed by Zira.]]
Changed line(s) 24 (click to see context) from:
* MythologyGag: Since most lions tend to have multiple cubs at a time, Kiara initially has a brother that Nala was considering naming "Kopa," which was the name of Simba's kid in a series of stories written before [[WesternAnimation/TheLionKingIISimbasPride the second film]]. [[spoiler: He dies quickly, thanks to Zira]].
to:
* MythologyGag: Since most lions tend to have multiple cubs at a time, Kiara initially has a brother that Nala was considering naming "Kopa," "Kopa", which was the name of Simba's kid in a series of stories written before [[WesternAnimation/TheLionKingIISimbasPride the second film]]. [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He dies quickly, thanks to Zira]].
Changed line(s) 26 (click to see context) from:
* PapaWolf: [[spoiler: Turns out Timon can pull this off when someone threatens his cub]].
to:
* PapaWolf: [[spoiler: Turns [[spoiler:Turns out Timon can pull this off when someone threatens his cub]].
Added DiffLines:
* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: Contrary to what was shown in the movie, Simba, a carnivore, can't survive [[VegetarianCarnivore entirely off of bugs]]. He becomes dangerously malnourished to the point where Timon has to teach him to hunt lizards and birds so he won't starve to death.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 23 (click to see context) from:
%%* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler:Sarabi.]]
to:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 17 (click to see context) from:
%%* DisneyDeath: [[spoiler:Timon.]]
to:
Changed line(s) 20 (click to see context) from:
* IChooseToStay: After much convincing on the part of Timon's mother, Timon and Pumbaa returned to the Pridelands and automatically given the role of royal advisors of Hakuna Matata and primary babysitter of the royal children, taking some of the burdens off of Zazu. Timon's pack would absolutely refuse to live among predators, even if Timon was given special treatment as a royal advisor.
to:
* IChooseToStay: After much convincing on the part of Timon's mother, Timon and Pumbaa returned to the Pridelands and were automatically given the role of royal advisors of Hakuna Matata and primary babysitter of the royal children, taking some of the burdens off of Zazu. Timon's pack would absolutely refuse to live among predators, even if Timon was given special treatment as a royal advisor.
Changed line(s) 33,34 (click to see context) from:
%%* SitcomArchNemesis: Timon and Zazu.
%%* StarsAreSouls: ...not fireflies.
%%* StarsAreSouls: ...not fireflies.
to:
Changed line(s) 37 (click to see context) from:
%%* WouldHurtAChild: [[spoiler:Zira.]]
to:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Duplicate example
Deleted line(s) 31 (click to see context) :
* RealityEnsues: Averting VegetarianCarnivore, Simba cannot survive on bugs alone. Timon and Pumbaa have to teach the young lion to hunt so he doesn't starve to death.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Commented out ZC Es.
%% Administrivia/ZeroContextExample entries are not allowed on wiki pages. All such entries have been commented out. Add context to the entries before uncommenting them.
Changed line(s) 15 (click to see context) from:
* DisneyDeath: [[spoiler:Timon.]]
to:
Changed line(s) 21 (click to see context) from:
* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler:Sarabi.]]
to:
Changed line(s) 32,33 (click to see context) from:
* SitcomArchNemesis: Timon and Zazu.
* StarsAreSouls: ...not fireflies.
* StarsAreSouls: ...not fireflies.
to:
Changed line(s) 36 (click to see context) from:
* WouldHurtAChild: [[spoiler:Zira.]]
to:
----
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Capitalization was fixed from FanFic.When Did I Become A Parent to Fanfic.When Did I Become A Parent. Null edit to update page. Page may need a mojibake cleanup after the fact
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* RealityEnsues: Averting VegetarianCarnivore, Simba cannot survive on bugs alone. Timon and Pumbaa have to teach the young lion to hunt so he doesn't starve to death.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 1,2 (click to see context) from:
''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7375050/1/When-Did-I-Become-A-Parent When Did I Become A Parent?]]'' by Creator/BookwormGal is a story examining how Timon and Pumbaa weren't just PluckyComicRelief characters for [[Disney/TheLionKing the movie]], but were also [[ParentalSubstitute parental substitutes]] for Simba. At some point, they went from wanting him around for protection to realizing that the cub was their responsibility to raise. Somewhere between rescuing him and watching him stand on Pride Rock, Simba became more than just their friend. He was part of their family.
to:
''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7375050/1/When-Did-I-Become-A-Parent When Did I Become A Parent?]]'' by Creator/BookwormGal is a story examining how Timon and Pumbaa weren't just PluckyComicRelief characters for [[Disney/TheLionKing [[WesternAnimation/TheLionKing1994 the movie]], but were also [[ParentalSubstitute parental substitutes]] for Simba. At some point, they went from wanting him around for protection to realizing that the cub was their responsibility to raise. Somewhere between rescuing him and watching him stand on Pride Rock, Simba became more than just their friend. He was part of their family.
Changed line(s) 10 (click to see context) from:
* BroadStrokes: While most of the story uses all three films fairly closely, some of [[Disney/TheLionKingOneAndAHalf the third one]] is done this way to prevent plot holes.
to:
* BroadStrokes: While most of the story uses all three films fairly closely, some of [[Disney/TheLionKingOneAndAHalf [[WesternAnimation/TheLionKingOneAndAHalf the third one]] is done this way to prevent plot holes.
Changed line(s) 22 (click to see context) from:
* MythologyGag: Since most lions tend to have multiple cubs at a time, Kiara initially has a brother that Nala was considering naming "Kopa," which was the name of Simba's kid in a series of stories written before [[Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride the second film]]. [[spoiler: He dies quickly, thanks to Zira]].
to:
* MythologyGag: Since most lions tend to have multiple cubs at a time, Kiara initially has a brother that Nala was considering naming "Kopa," which was the name of Simba's kid in a series of stories written before [[Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride [[WesternAnimation/TheLionKingIISimbasPride the second film]]. [[spoiler: He dies quickly, thanks to Zira]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 3,4 (click to see context) from:
This story goes through the timeline of [[Disney/TheLionKing all]] [[Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride three]] [[Disney/TheLionKingOneAndAHalf movies]] and beyond, filling in various plot holes and expanding scenes to show the viewpoints of Timon and Pumbaa.
to:
This story goes through the timeline of [[Disney/TheLionKing [[WesternAnimation/TheLionKing1994 all]] [[Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride [[WesternAnimation/TheLionKingIISimbasPride three]] [[Disney/TheLionKingOneAndAHalf [[WesternAnimation/TheLionKingOneAndAHalf movies]] and beyond, filling in various plot holes and expanding scenes to show the viewpoints of Timon and Pumbaa.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 7 (click to see context) from:
* AcceptableBreaksFromCanon: This is way before WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard. In this fic, Kovu and Nuka are half-siblings. While Nuka is indeed the son of Scar, Kovu is a HeroicBastard from a rogue.
to:
* AcceptableBreaksFromCanon: This is way before WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard. In this fic, Kovu and Nuka are half-siblings.half-siblings as in not adopted. While Nuka is indeed the son of Scar, Kovu is a HeroicBastard from a rogue.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* AcceptableBreaksFromCanon: This is way before WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard. In this fic, Kovu and Nuka are half-siblings. While Nuka is indeed the son of Scar, Kovu is a HeroicBastard from a rogue.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* CreatureOfHabit: Timon's pack of meerkats. Even when they lived in a paradise, they still dug up holes. They react to Simba, Kiara, and Kovu's arrival with fear much to Timon's exasperation.
Added DiffLines:
* IChooseToStay: After much convincing on the part of Timon's mother, Timon and Pumbaa returned to the Pridelands and automatically given the role of royal advisors of Hakuna Matata and primary babysitter of the royal children, taking some of the burdens off of Zazu. Timon's pack would absolutely refuse to live among predators, even if Timon was given special treatment as a royal advisor.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 15 (click to see context) from:
* GoodParents: Most of the parents are considered to be good ones. Except [[AxCrazy Zira]]. This includes ParentSubstitute Timon and Pumbaa.
to:
* GoodParents: Most of the parents are considered to be good ones. Except [[AxCrazy Zira]]. This includes ParentSubstitute ParentalSubstitute Timon and Pumbaa.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 15 (click to see context) from:
* GoodParents: Most of the parents are considered to be good ones. Except [[AxCrazy Zira]].
to:
* GoodParents: Most of the parents are considered to be good ones. Except [[AxCrazy Zira]]. This includes ParentSubstitute Timon and Pumbaa.
