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* AnimalJingoism: Mona is ''terrified'' by Fou, something Ren chalks to him being a feline creature while Fou is classified as some manner of a dog. However, Mona insists it's not that -- foreshadowing Fou's nature as Primate Murder, the apex predator.
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* AnimalJingoism: Mona is ''terrified'' by of Fou, something Ren chalks to him being a feline creature while Fou is classified as some manner of a dog. However, Mona insists it's not that -- foreshadowing Fou's nature as Primate Murder, the apex predator.
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* BeyondTheImpossible: Ren and Morgana tend to do that from Chaldea's perspective -- suddenly gaining Magic Circuits and summoning Personas to steal people's hearts is ''not'' normal. It's so impossible that it's borderline ''True Magic'', according Da Vinci.
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* BeyondTheImpossible: Ren and Morgana tend to do that from Chaldea's perspective -- suddenly gaining Magic Circuits and summoning Personas to steal people's hearts is ''not'' normal. It's so impossible that it's borderline ''True Magic'', according to Da Vinci.
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* BrutalHonesty: Just like in canon, Archer is not one to mince words. When Morgana asks him if he and Ren are naive for thinking they can get through the Singularities without killing, or getting killed in turn, he replies with a BluntYes.
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* BrutalHonesty: Just like as in canon, Archer is not one to mince words. When Morgana asks him if he and Ren are naive for thinking they can get through the Singularities without killing, or getting killed in turn, he replies with a BluntYes.
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** Igor and Lavenza explain to a baffled Joker that a Persona can be extremely different from a Servant in spite of being based upon one historical figure because a Persona reflects what people ''believe'' is the truth, when a Servant is closer to the reality of the historical figure.
** Archer's Unlimited Blade Works is actually his Palace, leading Joker to posit Servants with an inhuman mindset or Reality Marbles also have one.
** When Ren confesses the Cognitive World's existence, Da Vinci and Roman call it yet another "layer" to the World, akin to the Reverse Side in which every single mythic creature dwells.
** Ren ponders the possibility of the Velvet Room being part of Alaya, mankind's collective will.
* ChickMagnet: By virtue of being Chaldea's last Master (prior to Ritsuka's introduction) and a Persona protagonist, Ren's gotten himself some attention from the opposite sex. Mash gets jealous whenever Ren's getting chummy with another girl, Ritsuka's pretty fond of heavily teasing him and Marie flat-out kissed him on the lips when she was summoned to Chaldea. One of the tags on Archive of Our Own even lampshades this, as it says, "Ren being a charmer. Again".
** Archer's Unlimited Blade Works is actually his Palace, leading Joker to posit Servants with an inhuman mindset or Reality Marbles also have one.
** When Ren confesses the Cognitive World's existence, Da Vinci and Roman call it yet another "layer" to the World, akin to the Reverse Side in which every single mythic creature dwells.
** Ren ponders the possibility of the Velvet Room being part of Alaya, mankind's collective will.
* ChickMagnet: By virtue of being Chaldea's last Master (prior to Ritsuka's introduction) and a Persona protagonist, Ren's gotten himself some attention from the opposite sex. Mash gets jealous whenever Ren's getting chummy with another girl, Ritsuka's pretty fond of heavily teasing him and Marie flat-out kissed him on the lips when she was summoned to Chaldea. One of the tags on Archive of Our Own even lampshades this, as it says, "Ren being a charmer. Again".
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** Igor and Lavenza explain to a baffled Joker that a Persona can be extremely different from a Servant in spite of both being based upon one the same historical figure figure, because a Persona reflects what people ''believe'' is to be the truth, when as opposed to a Servant is being closer to the reality of the historical figure.
** Archer's Unlimited Blade Works is actually his Palace, leading Joker to posit Servants with an inhuman mindset or Reality Marbles could also have one.
** When Ren confesses to the Cognitive World's existence, Da Vinci and Roman call it yet another "layer" to the World, akin to the Reverse Side in which every single mythic creature dwells.
** Ren ponders the possibility of the Velvet Room being part of Alaya,mankind's Mankind's collective will.
* ChickMagnet: By virtue of being Chaldea's last Master (prior to Ritsuka's introduction) and a Persona protagonist, Ren's gotten himself some attention from the opposite sex. Mash gets jealous whenever Ren's getting chummy with another girl, Ritsuka's pretty fond of heavily teasinghim him, and Marie flat-out kissed him on the lips when she was summoned to Chaldea. One of the tags on Archive of Our Own even lampshades this, as it says, "Ren being a charmer. Again".
** Archer's Unlimited Blade Works is actually his Palace, leading Joker to posit Servants with an inhuman mindset or Reality Marbles could also have one.
** When Ren confesses to the Cognitive World's existence, Da Vinci and Roman call it yet another "layer" to the World, akin to the Reverse Side in which every single mythic creature dwells.
** Ren ponders the possibility of the Velvet Room being part of Alaya,
* ChickMagnet: By virtue of being Chaldea's last Master (prior to Ritsuka's introduction) and a Persona protagonist, Ren's gotten himself some attention from the opposite sex. Mash gets jealous whenever Ren's getting chummy with another girl, Ritsuka's pretty fond of heavily teasing
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* DidntThinkThisThrough: When he learns that Jeanne d'Arc Alter has a Palace, Joker decides to steal her Treasure and triggers a change of heart to stop her rampage across the French Singularity. Unfortunately, Caster Gilles de Rais was most unhappy with the result and outright ''absorbed'' Jeanne Alter into one of his monsters with intent of remaking her rather than accept her decision -- something that horrifies Joker who didn't take in account that his target's surroundings might not be the safest for her to change her mind.
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* DidntThinkThisThrough: When he learns that Jeanne d'Arc Alter has a Palace, Joker decides to steal her Treasure and triggers trigger a change of heart to stop her rampage across the French Singularity. Unfortunately, Caster Gilles de Rais was most unhappy with the result and outright ''absorbed'' Jeanne Alter into one of his monsters with the intent of remaking her rather than accept accepting her decision -- something that horrifies Joker Joker, who didn't take in account that his target's surroundings might not be have been the safest for her to change her mind.
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** Igor doesn't look kindly upon the magi for lacking ethics in their pursuit of knowledge and doing their utmost to breach the Velvet Room and steal its secrets.
** As the Wild Card, Joker can summon and work with a great deal of creatures and mythological figures, but he won't be forced to like them -- he refuses to use the Persona of Lucifer and is rather freaked by Kiyohime's mindset, for example.
** As the Wild Card, Joker can summon and work with a great deal of creatures and mythological figures, but he won't be forced to like them -- he refuses to use the Persona of Lucifer and is rather freaked by Kiyohime's mindset, for example.
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** Igor doesn't look too kindly upon the magi magi, both for lacking ethics in their pursuit of knowledge knowledge, and also doing their utmost to breach the Velvet Room and steal its secrets.
** As the Wild Card, Joker can summon and work with a great deal of creatures and mythological figures, but he won't be forced to like them -- he refuses to use the Persona of Lucifer and is rather freaked out by Kiyohime's mindset, for example.
** As the Wild Card, Joker can summon and work with a great deal of creatures and mythological figures, but he won't be forced to like them -- he refuses to use the Persona of Lucifer and is rather freaked out by Kiyohime's mindset, for example.
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* FlatWhat: This is Morgana's reaction when [[spoiler:Stheno reveals to him Astolfo's gender.]]
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* FlatWhat: This is Morgana's reaction when [[spoiler:Stheno reveals to him Astolfo's gender.gender to him.]]
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* GlassCannon: Ren can summon Servants and Personas alike, but his lack of familiarity with Magic Circuits means he's prone to overtaxing them and exhaust himself dangerously in the process.
* GodzillaThreshold: Igor is able to grant Magic Circuits to any guest of the Velvet Room, but it was too dangerous for the guests and the world at large to do so. With mankind's destruction and the Sea of Souls scoured clean, however, he has no other choice but gifting them to Ren.
** Roman is aware that Ren and Mona are deeply suspicious, courtesy of their weird abilities and mysterious past, but he willingly overlooks this since Chaldea really needs Masters and they are the only candidates left alive.
* GodzillaThreshold: Igor is able to grant Magic Circuits to any guest of the Velvet Room, but it was too dangerous for the guests and the world at large to do so. With mankind's destruction and the Sea of Souls scoured clean, however, he has no other choice but gifting them to Ren.
** Roman is aware that Ren and Mona are deeply suspicious, courtesy of their weird abilities and mysterious past, but he willingly overlooks this since Chaldea really needs Masters and they are the only candidates left alive.
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* GlassCannon: Ren can summon Servants and Personas alike, but his lack of familiarity with Magic Circuits means he's prone to overtaxing them and exhaust exhausting himself dangerously in the process.
* GodzillaThreshold: Igor is able to grant Magic Circuits to any guest of the Velvet Room,but it however such was deemed too dangerous for both the guests and the world at large to do so. With mankind's Mankind's destruction and the Sea of Souls scoured clean, however, he has no other choice but gifting to gift them to Ren.
** Roman is aware that Ren and Mona are deeply suspicious, courtesy of their weird abilities and mysterious past,but however he willingly overlooks this since Chaldea really needs Masters and they are the only candidates left alive.
* GodzillaThreshold: Igor is able to grant Magic Circuits to any guest of the Velvet Room,
** Roman is aware that Ren and Mona are deeply suspicious, courtesy of their weird abilities and mysterious past,
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* HeroicBSOD: Ren really doesn't take it well when informed of mankind's destruction, an event that means he lost not only his team, but every single bond he had in the world.
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* HeroicBSOD: Ren really doesn't take it well when informed of mankind's Mankind's destruction, an event that means he lost not only his team, but every single bond he had in the world.
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* LogicalWeakness: The Velvet Room relies on the Sea of Souls -- mankind's collective unconsciousness -- to bestow the power of Persona upon their chosen agents. With mankind's destruction, they're completely cut off their power source and Igor grimly admits they will likely disappear if Ren cannot restore the world as it initially was.
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* LogicalWeakness: The Velvet Room relies on the Sea of Souls -- mankind's Mankind's collective unconsciousness -- to bestow the power of Persona upon their chosen agents. With mankind's Mankind's destruction, they're completely cut off from their power source and Igor grimly admits they will likely disappear if Ren cannot restore the world as to what it initially was.
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** Da Vinci guesses Mona and Ren are members of the Phantom Thieves but reassures them she has no interest in exposing them, calling herself a fan of their work.
** Roman is the only person to know how powerful Ren and Mona truly are because he's their doctor, but he would rather prevent the Clock Tower to slap them with a Sealing Designation.
* SparedByTheAdaptation: Olga Marie still is killed in the initial attack against Chaldea, but Ren manages to save the remnants of her soul by asking her to enter in a contract with him, allowing the Velvet Room to swoop in and turn her into a new Velvet Room attendant.
* SpottingTheThread: Cu Chulainn as a warrior in Celtic Ireland got to see NewMeat before big battles. As such, he quickly intuits that mankind's extermination isn't Ren's first rodeo in this arena -- the teenager is far too calm about it, and ''tired''. It also lets him pick up on that Ren's rodeo was ''much'' different, since Ren still reacts to some things -- like killing people -- in ways that comes off as paradoxically very inexperienced.
** Roman is the only person to know how powerful Ren and Mona truly are because he's their doctor, but he would rather prevent the Clock Tower to slap them with a Sealing Designation.
* SparedByTheAdaptation: Olga Marie still is killed in the initial attack against Chaldea, but Ren manages to save the remnants of her soul by asking her to enter in a contract with him, allowing the Velvet Room to swoop in and turn her into a new Velvet Room attendant.
* SpottingTheThread: Cu Chulainn as a warrior in Celtic Ireland got to see NewMeat before big battles. As such, he quickly intuits that mankind's extermination isn't Ren's first rodeo in this arena -- the teenager is far too calm about it, and ''tired''. It also lets him pick up on that Ren's rodeo was ''much'' different, since Ren still reacts to some things -- like killing people -- in ways that comes off as paradoxically very inexperienced.
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** Da Vinci guesses that Mona and Ren are members of the Phantom Thieves but reassures them that she has no interest in exposing them, calling herself a fan of their work.
** Roman is the only person to know how powerful Ren and Mona truly are because he's their doctor, but he would rather prevent the Clock Towerto slap from slapping them with a [[TheyWouldCutYouUp Sealing Designation.
Designation]].
* SparedByTheAdaptation: Olga Marie is stillis killed in the initial attack against Chaldea, but however Ren manages to save the remnants of her soul by asking her to enter in a contract with him, allowing the Velvet Room to swoop in and turn her into a new Velvet Room attendant.
* SpottingTheThread: CuChulainn Chulainn, as a warrior in Celtic Ireland Ireland, got to see plenty of NewMeat before big battles. As such, he quickly intuits that mankind's Mankind's extermination isn't Ren's first rodeo in this arena -- – the teenager is far too calm calm, and ''tired'', about it, and ''tired''. it. It also lets him pick up on that Ren's rodeo was ''much'' different, since Ren still reacts to some things -- – like killing people -- – in ways that comes off as paradoxically comes off as very inexperienced.
** Roman is the only person to know how powerful Ren and Mona truly are because he's their doctor, but he would rather prevent the Clock Tower
* SparedByTheAdaptation: Olga Marie is still
* SpottingTheThread: Cu
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* StepfordSmiler: Joker is nothing but cocky and confident around Servants and Chaldea's staff. When he has a moment to himself, however, Ren is prone to breaking down and weeping out of the sheer pressure to save mankind without his trusted friends besides him.
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* StepfordSmiler: Joker is nothing but cocky and confident around Servants and Chaldea's staff. When he has a moment to himself, however, Ren is prone to breaking down and weeping out of the sheer pressure to save mankind Mankind without his trusted friends besides beside him.
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* UnskilledYetStrong: Courtesy of Igor, Ren and Mona gain Magic Circuits -- ninety-five for Ren and seventy for Mona, amounts you would only see in the most powerful magi lineages. Since this acquisition is extremely recent, they're vulnerable to exhaustion and overtaxing.
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* UnskilledYetStrong: Courtesy of Igor, Ren and Mona gain Magic Circuits -- ninety-five for Ren and seventy for Mona, amounts you would only see in the most powerful magi lineages. Since this acquisition is extremely recent, however, they're vulnerable to exhaustion and overtaxing.
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* AdaptationalBadass: Igor bestows Magic Circuits upon Joker and Morgana to let them summon a Persona in the material world.
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* AdaptationalBadass: AdaptationalBadass:
** Igor bestows Magic Circuits upon Joker and Morgana to let them summon a Persona in the materialworld.world.
** In canon, Ritsuka is a below average magus save for having high compatibility as a Master. Here, she’s good enough to be a member of Team A.
** Igor bestows Magic Circuits upon Joker and Morgana to let them summon a Persona in the material
** In canon, Ritsuka is a below average magus save for having high compatibility as a Master. Here, she’s good enough to be a member of Team A.
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* CompositeCharacter: [[spoiler:Ritsuka is a huge fan of the Phantom Thieves, believing them to the good the world needs and has her entire room decked out in merchandise of them in a similar manner to [[VideoGame/Persona5Strikers Akane Hasegawa]].]]
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* GreenEyedEpiphany: During Orleans, Ren talks to Mash about his friends back home. As he describes Sumire and how she confessed to having a crush on him, Mash finds herself getting filled with a sense of dread, especially when she asks if he accepted it. Her relief when he says he didn’t is what makes her to start to consider the possibility that she has a crush on him herself.
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* FlatWhat: This is Morgana's reaction when [[spoiler:Stheno reveals to him Astolfo's gender.]]
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* TheseHandsHaveKilled: During the Roman Singularity, Morgana leads of Roman to a camp of United Empire troops. After said troops slaughter their enemies, Morgana is shown horrified by the slaughter as the Phantom Thieves have a strict ThousShallNotKill policy.
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* TheseHandsHaveKilled: During the Roman Singularity, Morgana leads of Roman to a camp of United Empire troops. After said troops slaughter their enemies, Morgana is shown horrified by the slaughter as the Phantom Thieves have a strict ThousShallNotKill ThouShaltNotKill policy.
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* BrutalHonesty: Just like in canon, Archer is not one to mince words. When Morgana asks him if he and Ren are naive for thinking they can get through the Singularities without killing, or getting killed in turn, he replies with a BluntYes.
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* TheseHandsHaveKilled: During the Roman Singularity, Morgana leads of Roman to a camp of United Empire troops. After said troops slaughter their enemies, Morgana is shown horrified by the slaughter as the Phantom Thieves have a strict ThousShallNotKill policy.
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** One of the most unexpected summons in this fic is [[spoiler: Avenger-class [[Myth/NorseMythology Loki]]]], someone who isn't even possible to summon in ''Fate/Grand Order'' except through Ren [[spoiler: because of his experience with Akechi]].
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* BigEater: Arturia, who else? The prospect of cooking enough to fill her stomach fills Emiya and Ren both with dread.
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* BigEater: Arturia, Artoria, who else? The prospect of cooking enough to fill her stomach fills Emiya and Ren both with dread.
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* ChickMagnet: By virtue of being Chaldea's last Master (prior to Ritsuka's introduction) and a Persona protagonist, Ren's gotten himself some attention from the opposite sex. Mash gets jealous whenever Ren's getting chummy with another girl, Ritsuka's pretty fond of heavily teasing him and Marie flat-out kissed him on the lips when she was summoned to Chaldea. One of the tags on AO3 even lampshades this, as it says, "Ren being a charmer. Again".
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* ChickMagnet: By virtue of being Chaldea's last Master (prior to Ritsuka's introduction) and a Persona protagonist, Ren's gotten himself some attention from the opposite sex. Mash gets jealous whenever Ren's getting chummy with another girl, Ritsuka's pretty fond of heavily teasing him and Marie flat-out kissed him on the lips when she was summoned to Chaldea. One of the tags on AO3 Archive of Our Own even lampshades this, as it says, "Ren being a charmer. Again".
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* ChickMagnet: By virtue of being Chaldea's last Master (prior to Ritsuka's introduction) and a Persona protagonist, Ren's gotten himself some attention from the opposite sex. Mash gets jealous whenever Ren's getting chummy with another girl, Ritsuka's pretty fond of heavily teasing him and Marie flat-out kissed him on the lips when she was summoned to Chaldea. One of the tags on AO3 even lampshades this, as it says, "Ren being a charmer. Again".
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* DidntThinkThisThrough: When he learns that Jeanne d'Arc Alter has a Palace, Joker decides to steal her Treasure and triggers a change of heart to stop her rampage across the French Singularity. Unfortunately, Caster Gilles de Rais was most unhappy with the result and outright ''killed'' Jeanne rather than accept her decision -- something that horrifies Joker who didn't take in account that his target's surroundings might not be the safest for her to change her mind.
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* DidntThinkThisThrough: When he learns that Jeanne d'Arc Alter has a Palace, Joker decides to steal her Treasure and triggers a change of heart to stop her rampage across the French Singularity. Unfortunately, Caster Gilles de Rais was most unhappy with the result and outright ''killed'' ''absorbed'' Jeanne Alter into one of his monsters with intent of remaking her rather than accept her decision -- something that horrifies Joker who didn't take in account that his target's surroundings might not be the safest for her to change her mind.
* ExperiencedProtagonist: {{Downplayed}}. Ren is rather fresh from his adventures and thus isn't green about fighting or morally-dubious choices. However, ''killing'' people and throwing himself into life-threatening situations where one wrong move will end up with his death are things his adventures haven't prepped him for. This leads to the experienced Servants like EMIYA and Cu Chulainn to note how paradoxical some of Ren's reactions are.
* RedemptionEarnsLife: While initially it looks like Jeanne Alter's Change of Heart would result in a HeelFaceDoorSlam when Gilles decides to have her eaten by his monsters with the intent of recreating her, followed up by her inadvertedly summoning the Demon Pillar Orobas from her Holy Grail and body which then ends up being destroyed, in the end she ends up returning as an incarnated Lancer Servant using that Grail as her base [[spoiler:due to whim of the Goetia collective.]]
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* SpottingTheThread: Cu Chulainn as a warrior in Celtic Ireland got to see NewMeat before big battles. As such, he quickly intuits that mankind's extermination isn't Ren's first rodeo in this arena -- the teenager is far too calm about it, and ''tired''.
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* SpottingTheThread: Cu Chulainn as a warrior in Celtic Ireland got to see NewMeat before big battles. As such, he quickly intuits that mankind's extermination isn't Ren's first rodeo in this arena -- the teenager is far too calm about it, and ''tired''. It also lets him pick up on that Ren's rodeo was ''much'' different, since Ren still reacts to some things -- like killing people -- in ways that comes off as paradoxically very inexperienced.
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* WrongContextMagic: Magi and Servants are quite unsettled by Mona and the Personas summoned by Ren, since they're not the usual familiars.
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* WrongContextMagic: Magi and Servants are quite unsettled by Mona and the Personas summoned by Ren, since they're not the usual familiars.familiars.
* YourMindMakesItReal: The cognition of the Satan Persona in Jeanne Alter's Palace is invincible (both to the Palace denizens and Chaldea) because Jeanne Alter views it as an invincible judge of sinners. [[spoiler:When Jeanne Alter's Shadow hits her RageBreakingPoint, she declares that she won't allow herself to be judged by it and proceeds to attack it with the intent to kill, and accordingly it loses its invulnerability and perishes to her attack.]]
* YourMindMakesItReal: The cognition of the Satan Persona in Jeanne Alter's Palace is invincible (both to the Palace denizens and Chaldea) because Jeanne Alter views it as an invincible judge of sinners. [[spoiler:When Jeanne Alter's Shadow hits her RageBreakingPoint, she declares that she won't allow herself to be judged by it and proceeds to attack it with the intent to kill, and accordingly it loses its invulnerability and perishes to her attack.]]
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It can also be found on [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/41012853/chapters/102786315 AO3]] and [[https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-trickster-and-the-grand-order-persona-5-x-fate-grand-order.1044429/ SpaceBattles]].
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* FuryFueledFoolishness: After Jeanne asks Ren for answers [[WhatTheHellAreYou about his abilities]], the stress of the entire situation caused the Phantom Thief to go into a sort of rage that Morgana noted had [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness never been seen from him before]]. Ren lashed out at ''everyone'' in the area as well as the technicians watching from Chaldea, accusing them of hypocrisy, prying into his business, and even ''planning on killing him while he was without allies,'' apparently [[PsychologicalProjection projecting]] several of his old antagonists onto them. This culminated in Ren summoning [[InfinityPlusOneSword two of his most powerful Personas]] out in a ''fit of pique,'' and attempting to summon ''Lucifer'' before Morgana interfered. The narration outright states that bringing out Lucifer would quite possibly have ''killed'' Ren, and as it was he was left in a state of HeroicRROD ''in the middle of a Singularity.''
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* NotHelpingYourCase: After Ren summons ''Satan'' as a Persona to shake up Jeanne Alter and make a getaway, Jeanne, as a devout saint, naturally feels the need to ask WhatAreYou Ren is insulted by the sudden scrutiny, and is reminded of [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer the treatment he got]] at the hands of [[BitchInSheepsClothing "respectable figures"]] back home... so he decides to call out Archangel and Metatron simply to mock the heroes for "instantly condemning him," and is in the process of summoning ''Lucifer'' out of a sense of ThenLetMeBeEvil when Mona stops him. Reflecting on this moment later on, Ren acknowledges that bringing out a being that ''[[MadeOfEvil radiates pure evil and malevolence]]'' in front of new allies he was trying to get to trust him [[ItSeemedLikeAGoodIdeaAtTheTime was just absolutely stupid.]]
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* NotHelpingYourCase: After Ren summons ''Satan'' as a Persona to shake up Jeanne Alter and make a getaway, Jeanne, as a devout saint, naturally feels the need to ask WhatAreYou [[WhatTheHellAreYou what exactly he is]]. Ren is insulted by the sudden scrutiny, and is reminded of [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer the treatment he got]] at the hands of [[BitchInSheepsClothing "respectable figures"]] back home... so he decides to call out Archangel and Metatron simply to mock the heroes for "instantly condemning him," and is in the process of summoning ''Lucifer'' out of a sense of ThenLetMeBeEvil when Mona stops him. Reflecting on this moment later on, Ren acknowledges that bringing out a being that ''[[MadeOfEvil radiates pure evil and malevolence]]'' in front of new allies he was trying to get to trust him [[ItSeemedLikeAGoodIdeaAtTheTime was just absolutely stupid.]]
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* NotHelpingYourCase: After Ren summons ''Satan'' as a Persona to shake up Jeanne Alter and make a getaway, Jeanne, as a devout saint, naturally feels the need to ask WhatAreYou Ren is insulted by the sudden scrutiny, and is reminded of [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer the treatment he got]] at the hands of [[BitchInSheepsClothing "respectable figures"]] back home... so he decides to call out Archangel and Metatron simply to mock the heroes for "instantly condemning him," and is in the process of summoning ''Lucifer'' out of a sense of ThenLetMeBeEvil when Mona stops him. Reflecting on this moment later on, Ren acknowledges that bringing out a being that ''[[MadeOfEvil radiates pure evil and malevolence]]'' in front of new allies he was trying to get to trust him [[ItSeemedLikeAGoodIdeaAtTheTime was just absolutely stupid.]]
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* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: Chaldea's staff tend to be aloof towards Servants. Mona and Ren disagree with their opinion -- when you look, talk and act human, you deserve to be treated as a human being. Nonetheless, the Phantom Thieves has no qualms killing a Servant, comparing it to killing a Persona -- you always can summon them back again, after all.
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* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: Chaldea's staff tend to be aloof towards Servants. Mona and Ren disagree with their opinion -- when you look, talk and act human, you deserve to be treated as a human being. Nonetheless, the Phantom Thieves has no qualms killing a Servant, comparing it to killing a Persona -- you always can summon them back again, after all. Ren is later [[TheseHandsHaveKilled hit by the implications]] when the group enters Jeanne Alter's Palace; the Phantom Thieves find the concept of Mental Shutdowns [[TraumaButton abhorrent]], but he has a hard time articulating what the difference would be between causing one for an immediate victory and simply killing the Servant like they've ''been'' doing.
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* StatingTheSimpleSolution: As soon as Ren and Morgana explain the mechanics behind Palaces, [[PragmaticHero EMIYA]] suggests that they should strike down the Ruler immediately, as few Grail Wars offer such an unexpected route for assassination. This suggestion forces Ren to [[TheseHandsHaveKilled reconsider the differences]] between his adventures as a [[ThouShaltNotKill Phantom Thief]] and the current situation. Ultimately, the group still decides to go ahead with the Change of Heart, both because [[AllLovingHero the real Jeanne]] wants to offer her doppelganger the chance to atone if possible, and because Mental Shutdowns remain a TraumaButton for Ren and Morgana.
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* BeyondTheImpossible: Ren and Morgana tend to do that from Chaldea's perspective -- suddenly gaining Magic Circuits and summoning Personas to steal people's hearts is ''not'' normal. It's so impossible that it's borderline ''True Magic'', according Da Vinci.
** When Ren confesses the Cognitive World's existence, Da Vinci and Roman call it yet another "layer" to the World, akin to the Reverse Side in which every single mythic creature dwells.
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** Da Vinci guesses Mona and Ren are members of the Phantom Thieves but reassures them she has no interest in exposing them, calling hersel a fan of their work.
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** Da Vinci guesses Mona and Ren are members of the Phantom Thieves but reassures them she has no interest in exposing them, calling hersel herself a fan of their work.
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* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: Chaldea's staff tend to be aloof towards Servants. Mona and Ren disagree with their opinion -- when you look, talk and act human, you deserve to be treated as a human being.
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* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: Chaldea's staff tend to be aloof towards Servants. Mona and Ren disagree with their opinion -- when you look, talk and act human, you deserve to be treated as a human being. Nonetheless, the Phantom Thieves has no qualms killing a Servant, comparing it to killing a Persona -- you always can summon them back again, after all.
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* MustHaveCaffeine: Roman drinks gallons of coffee, mainly because he needs it to maintain a level of work sufficient for Chaldea to function in spite of losing a lot of staff. Needless to say, he definitely enjoys Ren's talent as a barrista.
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* MustHaveCaffeine: Roman drinks gallons of coffee, mainly because he needs it to maintain a level of work sufficient for Chaldea to function in spite of losing a lot of staff. Needless to say, he definitely enjoys Ren's talent as a barrista.barista.
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* SparedByTheAdaptation: Olga Marie still is killed in the initial attack against Chaldea, but Ren manages to save the remnants of her soul by asking her to enter in a contract with him, allowing the Velvet Room to swoop in and turn her in a new attendant.
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* SparedByTheAdaptation: Olga Marie still is killed in the initial attack against Chaldea, but Ren manages to save the remnants of her soul by asking her to enter in a contract with him, allowing the Velvet Room to swoop in and turn her in into a new Velvet Room attendant.
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* AdaptationalBadass: Igor bestows Magic Circuits upon Joker and Morgana to let them summon a Person in the material world.
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* AdaptationalBadass: Igor bestows Magic Circuits upon Joker and Morgana to let them summon a Person Persona in the material world.
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* AwesomeYetImpracticalAwesomeYetImpractical: Ren summoning a Persona in the material world burns ungodly amounts of prana, so any other magus attempting the feat would collapse from exhaustion well before succeeding.
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** Archer's Unlimited Blade Works is actually his Palace, leading Joker to posit Servants with an inhuman mindset or Reality Marbles also have one.
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** Roman is aware that Ren and Mona are deeply suspicious, courtesy of their weird abilities and mysterious past, but he willingly overlooks this since Chaldea really needs Masters and they are the only candidates left alive.
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* SecretKeeper:
** Da Vinci guesses Mona and Ren are members of the Phantom Thieves but reassures them she has no interest in exposing them, calling hersel a fan of their work.
** Roman is the only person to know how powerful Ren and Mona truly are because he's their doctor, but he would rather prevent the Clock Tower to slap them with a Sealing Designation.
** Da Vinci guesses Mona and Ren are members of the Phantom Thieves but reassures them she has no interest in exposing them, calling hersel a fan of their work.
** Roman is the only person to know how powerful Ren and Mona truly are because he's their doctor, but he would rather prevent the Clock Tower to slap them with a Sealing Designation.
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* UnskilledYetStrong: Courtesy of Igor, Ren and Mona gain Magic Circuits -- ninety-five for Ren and seventy for Mona, amounts you would only see in the most powerful magi lineages. Since this acquisition is extremely recent, they're vulnerable to exhaustion and overtaxing.
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* AnimalJingoism: Mona is ''terrified'' by Fou, something Ren chalks to him being a feline creature while Fou is classified as some manner of a dog. However, Mona insists it's not that -- foreshadowing Fou's nature as Primate Murder, the apex predator.
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* EveryoneHasStandardsEveryoneHasStandards:
** Igor doesn't look kindly upon the magi for lacking ethics in their pursuit of knowledge and doing their utmost to breach the Velvet Room and steal its secrets.
** As the Wild Card, Joker can summon and work with a great deal of creatures and mythological figures, but he won't be forced to like them -- he refuses to use the Persona of Lucifer and is rather freaked by Kiyohime's mindset, for example.
* GlassCannon: Ren can summon Servants and Personas alike, but his lack of familiarity with Magic Circuits means he's prone to overtaxing them and exhaust himself dangerously in the process.
* GodzillaThreshold: Igor is able to grant Magic Circuits to any guest of the Velvet Room, but it was too dangerous for the guests and the world at large to do so. With mankind's destruction and the Sea of Souls scoured clean, however, he has no other choice but gifting them to Ren.
** Igor doesn't look kindly upon the magi for lacking ethics in their pursuit of knowledge and doing their utmost to breach the Velvet Room and steal its secrets.
** As the Wild Card, Joker can summon and work with a great deal of creatures and mythological figures, but he won't be forced to like them -- he refuses to use the Persona of Lucifer and is rather freaked by Kiyohime's mindset, for example.
* GlassCannon: Ren can summon Servants and Personas alike, but his lack of familiarity with Magic Circuits means he's prone to overtaxing them and exhaust himself dangerously in the process.
* GodzillaThreshold: Igor is able to grant Magic Circuits to any guest of the Velvet Room, but it was too dangerous for the guests and the world at large to do so. With mankind's destruction and the Sea of Souls scoured clean, however, he has no other choice but gifting them to Ren.
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* MustHaveCaffeineMustHaveCaffeine: Roman drinks gallons of coffee, mainly because he needs it to maintain a level of work sufficient for Chaldea to function in spite of losing a lot of staff. Needless to say, he definitely enjoys Ren's talent as a barrista.
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* AdaptationalBadass: Igor bestows Magic Circuits upon Joker and Morgana to let them summon a Person in the material world.
* NotSoSimilar: After poking a bit at Ren's definition of "hero", Emiya concludes the Trickster is ''not'' bent on treading a solitary path to save as many people as possible, he's merely helping people he finds on his journey and would rather inspire them to stand on their own feet. Even if Ren also is burying his pain and plastering a false smile on his face.
* SpottingTheThread: Cu Chulainn as a warrior in Celtic Ireland got to see NewMeat before big battles. As such, he quickly intuits that mankind's extermination isn't Ren's first rodeo in this arena -- the teenager is far too calm about it, and ''tired''.
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* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: Chaldea's staff tend to be aloof towards Servants. Mona and Ren disagree with their opinion -- when you look, talk and act human, you deserve to be treated as a human being.
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* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: Chaldea's staff tend to be aloof towards Servants. Mona and Ren disagree with their opinion -- when you look, talk and act human, you deserve to be treated as a human being.being.
* WrongContextMagic: Magi and Servants are quite unsettled by Mona and the Personas summoned by Ren, since they're not the usual familiars.
* WrongContextMagic: Magi and Servants are quite unsettled by Mona and the Personas summoned by Ren, since they're not the usual familiars.
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* CanonWeldingCanonWelding:
** Igor and Lavenza explain to a baffled Joker that a Persona can be extremely different from a Servant in spite of being based upon one historical figure because a Persona reflects what people ''believe'' is the truth, when a Servant is closer to the reality of the historical figure.
** Ren ponders the possibility of the Velvet Room being part of Alaya, mankind's collective will.
** Igor and Lavenza explain to a baffled Joker that a Persona can be extremely different from a Servant in spite of being based upon one historical figure because a Persona reflects what people ''believe'' is the truth, when a Servant is closer to the reality of the historical figure.
** Ren ponders the possibility of the Velvet Room being part of Alaya, mankind's collective will.
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* SparedByTheAdaptation
SparedByTheAdaptation: Olga Marie still is killed in the initial attack against Chaldea, but Ren manages to save the remnants of her soul by asking her to enter in a contract with him, allowing the Velvet Room to swoop in and turn her in a new attendant.
*StepfordSmiler
StepfordSmiler: Joker is nothing but cocky and confident around Servants and Chaldea's staff. When he has a moment to himself, however, Ren is prone to breaking down and weeping out of the sheer pressure to save mankind without his trusted friends besides him.
*TheyWouldCutYouUpSupremeChef: Ren makes a mean curry and coffee combo. Roman hesitates to investigate him in spite of his many weird quirks because he doesn't want to lose his caffeine provider, and Chaldea's staff is noticeably dismayed when Ren goes on a mission and leaves robots in charge of the cafeteria.
* TheyWouldCutYouUp: Igor strongly stresses that Joker must be very careful around Chaldea and keep the true nature of his power a secret, or the magi will try to abduct and vivisect him in their greedy attempts to gain these abilities for themselves. It's reinforced by Roman after he gives Mona and Ren a physical, warning them that the Clock Tower will slap a Sealing Designation upon them if they are seen wielding their Personas.
* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: Chaldea's staff tend to be aloof towards Servants. Mona and Ren disagree with their opinion -- when you look, talk and act human, you deserve to be treated as a human being.
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* TheyWouldCutYouUp: Igor strongly stresses that Joker must be very careful around Chaldea and keep the true nature of his power a secret, or the magi will try to abduct and vivisect him in their greedy attempts to gain these abilities for themselves. It's reinforced by Roman after he gives Mona and Ren a physical, warning them that the Clock Tower will slap a Sealing Designation upon them if they are seen wielding their Personas.
* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: Chaldea's staff tend to be aloof towards Servants. Mona and Ren disagree with their opinion -- when you look, talk and act human, you deserve to be treated as a human being.
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''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14122412/1/The-Trickster-and-the-Grand-Order The Trickster and the Grand Order]]'' is a crossover fic between ''VideoGame/Persona5'' and ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'', written by Kenjichan251 on Website/FanfictionDotNet.
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''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14122412/1/The-Trickster-and-the-Grand-Order The Trickster and the Grand Order]]'' is a crossover fic between ''VideoGame/Persona5'' and ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'', written by Kenjichan251 [=Kenjichan251=] on Website/FanfictionDotNet.
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* BigEaterBigEater: Arturia, who else? The prospect of cooking enough to fill her stomach fills Emiya and Ren both with dread.
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* DidntThinkThisThroughDidntThinkThisThrough: When he learns that Jeanne d'Arc Alter has a Palace, Joker decides to steal her Treasure and triggers a change of heart to stop her rampage across the French Singularity. Unfortunately, Caster Gilles de Rais was most unhappy with the result and outright ''killed'' Jeanne rather than accept her decision -- something that horrifies Joker who didn't take in account that his target's surroundings might not be the safest for her to change her mind.
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HeroicBSOD: Ren really doesn't take it well when informed of mankind's destruction, an event that means he lost not only his team, but every single bond he had in the world.
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LockedOutOfTheLoop: Ren and Mona are wary of explaining their ability to summon Personas to Chaldea, for '''very''' good reasons.
*LogicalWeaknessLogicalWeakness: The Velvet Room relies on the Sea of Souls -- mankind's collective unconsciousness -- to bestow the power of Persona upon their chosen agents. With mankind's destruction, they're completely cut off their power source and Igor grimly admits they will likely disappear if Ren cannot restore the world as it initially was.
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* RunningGagRunningGag: Servants being floored by Mona being a catlike creature able to speak and summon them.
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''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14122412/1/The-Trickster-and-the-Grand-Order The Trickster and the Grand Order]]'' is a crossover fic between ''VideoGame/Persona5'' and ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'', written by Kenjichan251 on Website/FanfictionDotNet.
After unveiling nationwide political corruption and casting a false god down, you would believe Ren Amamiya would settle and rest. However, a blood donation leads the Chaldea Security Organization to make him an offer -- and unwittingly give him the opportunity to save mankind once again.
!Contains the following tropes
* AwesomeYetImpractical
* BigEater
* CanonWelding
* DidntThinkThisThrough
* EveryoneHasStandards
* HeroicBSOD
* LockedOutOfTheLoop
* LogicalWeakness
* MustHaveCaffeine
* RunningGag
* SparedByTheAdaptation
* StepfordSmiler
* TheyWouldCutYouUp
After unveiling nationwide political corruption and casting a false god down, you would believe Ren Amamiya would settle and rest. However, a blood donation leads the Chaldea Security Organization to make him an offer -- and unwittingly give him the opportunity to save mankind once again.
!Contains the following tropes
* AwesomeYetImpractical
* BigEater
* CanonWelding
* DidntThinkThisThrough
* EveryoneHasStandards
* HeroicBSOD
* LockedOutOfTheLoop
* LogicalWeakness
* MustHaveCaffeine
* RunningGag
* SparedByTheAdaptation
* StepfordSmiler
* TheyWouldCutYouUp
