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* AdaptationalBackstoryChange: Ren was born and raised in [[VideoGame/Persona4 Inaba]] before having to move to Tokyo in the aftermath of his false arrest.



* AdaptationalBackstoryChange: Ren was born and raised in [[VideoGame/Persona4 Inaba]] before having to move to Tokyo in the aftermath of his false arrest.



** Ren owns a "[[BlandNameProduct PlayBox 5]]" console, an obvious knock off of the Platform/PlayStation5 which didn't release until 2020.

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** Ren owns a "[[BlandNameProduct PlayBox 5]]" console, an obvious knock off knockoff of the Platform/PlayStation5 which didn't release until 2020.



* InSeriesNickname: Ren is called a nickname by Yusuke ("Renpai"), Ryuji ("Renren"), Sojiro ("Kid"), and Takemi ("guinea pig").



* RunningGag: Whenever Kasumi appears in the story, it usually ends with Ren snubbing her for Makoto or some other important matter.

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Whenever Kasumi appears in the story, it she usually ends with gets snubbed by Ren snubbing her either for Makoto or for some other important matter.matter.
** Ren getting [[InSeriesNickname a new nickname]] by from most of his social circle. So far Yusuke calls him "Renpai", Ryuji calls him "Renren", Sojiro calls him "Kid", and Takemi calls him her "guinea pig".
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* AdaptationalBackstoryChange: Ren was born and raised in [[VideoGame/Persona4 Inaba]] before having to move to Tokyo in the aftermath of his false arrest.


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** [[VideoGame/Persona5Strikers Alice Hiiragi]] appears as a singer Eiko got for her party.

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** Ren owns a "[[BlandNameProduct PlayBox 5]]" console, which clearly based off of the Platform/PlayStation5 which didn't release until 2020.

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** Ren owns a "[[BlandNameProduct PlayBox 5]]" console, which clearly based an obvious knock off of the Platform/PlayStation5 which didn't release until 2020.



* KarmicButtMonkey: Whenever Akechi makes an appearance, it's usually involves him on the receiving end of Ren's trolling attitude or some other misfortune such as being the only guy Yusuke bars from entering Eiko's party.
* LifeOfTheParty: Kosei students seem to have a reputation of throwing epic ragers, having gotten a private concert by Risette and appearances from the cast of ''[[{{Toku}} Featherman]]'' at previous parties they've hosted.



* RunningGag: Whenever Kasumi appears in the story, it usually ends with Ren snubbing her for Makoto or some other important matter.



* VengefulVendingMachine: During the Alibaba arc, Ryuji gets his arm stuck in a vending machine trying to get a stuck [[BlandNameProduct Second Maid]] for Ann.

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* VengefulVendingMachine: During the Alibaba arc, Ryuji gets his arm stuck in a vending machine trying to get a stuck [[BlandNameProduct Second Maid]] for Ann.Ann.
* WildTeenParty: After the Thieves complete Futaba's palace, they all have the free time to attend one Eiko hosts in her parents' penthouse apartment primarily meant to show off her new much older boyfriend Tsukasa. He never shows up (likely having no interest in getting drunk with a bunch of teenagers), but the party's still a total rager thanks to her inviting a ton of Kosei students.
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* AbsurdlyPowerfulStudentCouncil: DiscussedTrope. When trying to sooth his girlfriend's concerns, Ren notes that unlike in an anime, the student council doesn't work that way in real life, so Makoto could not have done anything about Kamoshida.

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* AbsurdlyPowerfulStudentCouncil: DiscussedTrope. When trying to sooth his girlfriend's concerns, Ren notes that unlike in an anime, the student council doesn't work that way isn't as powerful in real life, so Makoto could not have done anything about Kamoshida.



* ExtranormalInstitute: According to Yusuke, the pain of stepping on hot sand in Futaba's cognitive world is nothing compared to the entry exam for an art scholarship at Kosei, which involves painting whilst standing upon simmering coals. While its left ambiguous if Yusuke was joking, Hifumi later tells Ren that gym class is exclusively paintball and airsoft, Valedictorians are chosen via lottery instead of academic accomplishments and instead of dissecting frogs or sheep eyes in biology class Kosei apparently has arrangements with several morgues to instead dissect ''actual human cadavers''.

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* ExtranormalInstitute: According to Yusuke, the pain of stepping on hot sand in Futaba's cognitive world is nothing compared to the entry exam for an art scholarship at Kosei, which involves painting whilst standing upon simmering coals. While its left ambiguous if Yusuke was joking, Hifumi later tells Ren that gym class is exclusively paintball and airsoft, Valedictorians are chosen via lottery instead of academic accomplishments merit and instead of dissecting frogs or sheep eyes in biology class Kosei apparently has arrangements with several morgues to instead dissect ''actual human cadavers''.

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* AbsurdlyPowerfulStudentCouncil: DiscussedTrope. Ren notes that they don't have one, so Makoto could not have done anything about Kamoshida.
--> '''Ren''': This isn't an anime where the student council president can fire teachers.

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* AbsurdlyPowerfulStudentCouncil: DiscussedTrope. When trying to sooth his girlfriend's concerns, Ren notes that they don't have one, unlike in an anime, the student council doesn't work that way in real life, so Makoto could not have done anything about Kamoshida.
--> '''Ren''': This isn't an anime where the student council president can fire teachers.
Kamoshida.



* AdaptationalBadass: Ren uses Yoshitsune, specifically his [[BladeSpam Hassou Tobi]] SignatureMove, to breeze through enemies.

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* AdaptationalBadass: AdaptationalBadass:
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Ren uses Yoshitsune, specifically his [[BladeSpam Hassou Tobi]] SignatureMove, to breeze through enemies.enemies.
** [[spoiler:The Sphinx in Futaba's Palace utilizes attacks that are classed as Almighty instead of merely Physical]].
** [[spoiler:Futaba fights alongside the rest of the Thieves, serving as the team's FriendlySniper]].



** Ren is initially appointed as Treasurer of the Student Council at Makoto's recommendation, although she's able to manipulate Kobayakawa into promoting him to Vice President by painting it as an idea to get the students to stop talking about Kamoshida. In ''Persona 5'', Ren's involvement with the Student Council begins and ends with Makoto, never once being able to join it.

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** Ren is initially appointed as Treasurer of the Student Council at Makoto's recommendation, although she's able to manipulate Kobayakawa into promoting him to Vice President by painting it as an idea to get the students to stop talking about Kamoshida. In ''Persona 5'', Ren's involvement with the Student Council begins and ends with Makoto, and is never once being able to join it.



*** The use of ඞ (along with Futaba's Shadow occasionally moaning out "Amogus") both originate from 2018's ''VideoGame/AmongUs'' (although [[Memes/AmongUs the game's meme culture]] wouldn't form until the early 2020s.

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*** The use of ඞ (along with Futaba's Shadow occasionally moaning out "Amogus") both originate from 2018's ''VideoGame/AmongUs'' (although [[Memes/AmongUs the game's meme culture]] wouldn't form until the early 2020s.2020s).



* ExtranormalInstitute: According to Yusuke, the pain of stepping on hot sand in Futaba's cognitive world is nothing compared to the entry exam for an art scholarship at Kosei, which involves painting whilst standing upon simmering coals. While its left ambiguous if Yusuke was joking, Hifumi later tells Ren that gym class is exclusively paintball and airsoft, Valedictorians are chosen via lottery instead of academic accomplishments and instead of dissecting frogs or sheep eyes in biology class Kosei apparently has arrangements with several morgues to instead dissect ''actual human cadavers''.
--> '''Ren''': Everything I learn about Yusuke is against my will.



* IKnowMortalKombat: Apparently, Yusuke's skills with a rifle in the Metaverse comes from gym classes at Kosei consisting of either paintball or airsoft matches.



* InterruptedDeclarationOfLove: Morgana interrupts Makoto's declaration in chapter 44.
--> '''Makoto''': Ren, I'm without a doubt in lo-
--> '''Morgana''': You're not in bed?!

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* InterruptedDeclarationOfLove: In Chapter 44 just as Makoto is about to tell Ren that she loves him, Morgana interrupts Makoto's declaration in chapter 44.
--> '''Makoto''': Ren, I'm without a doubt in lo-
--> '''Morgana''': You're not in bed?!
them by demanding them to get to bed.



* MundaneUtility: Ann uses Carmen's fire abilities to reheat a plate of curry in a safe room in Futaba's Palace.

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* MundaneUtility: While the team is resting in a safe room in Futaba's Palace, Ann uses Carmen's fire abilities to reheat a plate of curry in a safe room in Futaba's Palace.curry.
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* StartXToStopX: [[spoiler:When Ren is [[ForcedTransformation turned into a rat]] in Futaba's Palace, he reverts back to human form by being hit by the same attack from another enemy.]]
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* AbsurdlyPowerfulStudentCouncil: DiscussedTrope. Ren notes that they don't have one, so Makoto could not have done anything about Kamoshida.
--> '''Ren''': This isn't an anime where the student council president can fire teachers.


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* ForcedTransformation: Ren is turned into a rat during Futaba's Palace and it persists longer than a single battle.


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* InterruptedDeclarationOfLove: Morgana interrupts Makoto's declaration in chapter 44.
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* MundaneUtility: Ann uses Carmen's fire abilities to reheat a plate of curry in a safe room in Futaba's Palace.

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* AnachronismStew:
** While ''Persona 5'' is all but stated to take place in 2016 Ren owns a "[[BlandNameProduct PlayBox 5]]" console, clearly based off of the Platform/PlayStation5 which didn't release until 2020.
** The hieroglyphics in Futaba's Palace are actually internet memes. Among the memes mentioned are the [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/virgin-vs-chad Virgin vs. Chad]] which didn't spread until 2017 and the use of ඞ (along with Futaba's Shadow occasionally moaning out "Amogus"), both of which originate from 2018's ''VideoGame/AmongUs'' (although [[Memes/AmongUs the game's memedom]] wouldn't be established until the early 2020s).

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* AnachronismStew:
** While
AnachronismStew: Several examples which stem from ''Persona 5'' is being all but stated to take place in 2016 2016.
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Ren owns a "[[BlandNameProduct PlayBox 5]]" console, which clearly based off of the Platform/PlayStation5 which didn't release until 2020.
** The Among the internet memes acting used hieroglyphics in Futaba's Palace are actually internet memes. Among the memes mentioned are the are:
*** The
[[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/virgin-vs-chad Virgin vs. Chad]] meme, which didn't spread take it's modern form until 2017 and the 2017.
*** The
use of ඞ (along with Futaba's Shadow occasionally moaning out "Amogus"), "Amogus") both of which originate from 2018's ''VideoGame/AmongUs'' (although [[Memes/AmongUs the game's memedom]] meme culture]] wouldn't be established form until the early 2020s).2020s.

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* AnachronismStew:
** While ''Persona 5'' is all but stated to take place in 2016 Ren owns a "[[BlandNameProduct PlayBox 5]]" console, clearly based off of the Platform/PlayStation5 which didn't release until 2020.
** The hieroglyphics in Futaba's Palace are actually internet memes. Among the memes mentioned are the [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/virgin-vs-chad Virgin vs. Chad]] which didn't spread until 2017 and the use of ඞ (along with Futaba's Shadow occasionally moaning out "Amogus"), both of which originate from 2018's ''VideoGame/AmongUs'' (although [[Memes/AmongUs the game's memedom]] wouldn't be established until the early 2020s).



* BlandNameProduct: Hatchet Body Spray instead of Axe.
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* MythologyGag: In a game of "Would You Rather?", Makoto asks Ren if she would rather be in the same class as Ryuji or Ann. Ren picks Ann.

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* MythologyGag: In a game of "Would You Rather?", Makoto asks Ren if she he would rather be in the same class as Ryuji or Ann. Ren picks Ann.



* SecretRelationship: Ren and Makoto's relationship is this until the end of summer although by that point, EveryoneCanSeeIt.

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* SecretRelationship: Ren and Makoto's relationship is this until the end beginning of summer although by that point, EveryoneCanSeeIt.

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* AdaptationRelationshipOverhaul: Aside from imagining Ren as a third year instead of a second year student, the story's main premise may as well be a WhatIf tale of Makoto being ''the'' [[PromotedToLoveInterest canon love interest]].

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* AdaptationRelationshipOverhaul: Aside from imagining Ren as a third year instead of a second year student, the story's main premise may as well be a WhatIf tale of Makoto being ''the'' [[PromotedToLoveInterest canon love interest]].interest]] and dating pretty much right from the start.



* CounterfeitCash: Like in canon, Kaneshiro's treasure turns out to be a briefcase of fake money. Unlike in canon, [[spoiler:Ren uses their ignorance of the human world to get the twins to accept the fake money so he can buy more Personas with it. ''It works.'']]

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* CounterfeitCash: Like in canon, Kaneshiro's treasure turns out to be a briefcase of fake money. Unlike in canon, [[spoiler:Ren uses their the Twins' ignorance of the human world to get the twins to accept against them by claiming the fake money is legit so he can buy more Personas with it. ''It works.'']]



* TrueLovesKiss: When Ren is visiting the [[EldritchLocation Velvet Room]] and frozen in the real world, Makoto's kiss is powerful enough to draw him back. Caroline and Justine even notice.
--> '''Justine''': Your [[TarotMotifs Priestess]] is pulling you back at this very moment anyhow.

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* TrueLovesKiss: When While Ren is visiting the [[EldritchLocation Velvet Room]] and remains frozen in the real world, Makoto's kiss is powerful enough to draw him back. Caroline and Justine even notice.
--> '''Justine''': Your [[TarotMotifs Priestess]] is
notice that it's his "[[TarotMotifs Priestess]]" pulling you back at this very moment anyhow.him back.
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* TrueLovesKiss: When Ren is visiting the [[EldritchLocation Velvet Room]] and frozen in the real world, Makoto's kiss is powerful enough to draw him back. Caroline and Justine even notice.
--> '''Justine''': Your [[TarotMotifs Priestess]] is pulling you back at this very moment anyhow.

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* CounterfeitCash: Kaneshiro's treasure turns into a briefcase of fake money, which Ren attempts to spend in the Velvet Room.
--> '''Caroline''': [[spoiler:Inmate! We've decided to accept this 'new money'!]]
* CripplingOverspecialization: Before Makoto joins the Thieves, Ren's entire fighting strategy was relying on Yoshitsune to the point where his entire fighting style was literally "[[AttackAttackAttack Hassou Tobi bitches!]]" while refusing to use other Personas. While PlayedForLaughs when the other Thieves offhandedly discuss when he runs into enemies that are immune to physical attacks, Makoto's outright aghast that Joker had no other strategy beyond using a massively powerful physical attack that [[CastFromHitPoints deals intense recoil damage]] which is described as if he's having his insides chopped up.

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* CounterfeitCash: Like in canon, Kaneshiro's treasure turns into out to be a briefcase of fake money, which Ren attempts to spend money. Unlike in canon, [[spoiler:Ren uses their ignorance of the Velvet Room.
--> '''Caroline''': [[spoiler:Inmate! We've decided
human world to get the twins to accept this 'new money'!]]
the fake money so he can buy more Personas with it. ''It works.'']]
* CripplingOverspecialization: Before Makoto joins the Thieves, Ren's entire fighting strategy was relying on Yoshitsune to the point where his entire fighting style was literally "[[AttackAttackAttack Hassou Tobi bitches!]]" while refusing to use other Personas. While PlayedForLaughs when the other Thieves offhandedly discuss when he runs into enemies that are immune to physical attacks, Makoto's outright aghast that Joker had no other strategy beyond using a massively powerful physical attack that [[CastFromHitPoints deals intense recoil damage]] which is described as if he's having his insides chopped up.



* IfIDoNotReturn: Ren to Makoto when he visits the Velvet Room in chapter 41. PlayedForLaughs, naturally.
--> '''Makoto''': I'm to stand next to you for fifteen minutes, and if you haven't "[[AirQuotes come back]]," I kiss you until you do?

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* IfIDoNotReturn: PlayedForLaughs when Ren to has Makoto when he visits accompany him to the Velvet Room entrance near Untouchables in chapter 41. PlayedForLaughs, naturally.
--> '''Makoto''': I'm to stand next to you for
Chapter 41, who instructs her that if he doesn't "come back" after fifteen minutes, and if you haven't "[[AirQuotes come back]]," I minutes to just kiss you him until you do?his consciousness returns.



* SecretRelationship: Ren and Makoto's relationship is this this until the end of summer although by that point, EveryoneCanSeeIt.

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* SecretRelationship: Ren and Makoto's relationship is this this until the end of summer although by that point, EveryoneCanSeeIt.
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* IfIDoNotReturn: Ren to Makoto when he visits the Velvet Room in chapter 41. PlayedForLaughs, naturally.
--> '''Makoto''': I'm to stand next to you for fifteen minutes, and if you haven't "[[AirQuotes come back]]," I kiss you until you do?
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* CounterfeitCash: Kaneshiro's treasure turns into a briefcase of fake money, which Ren attempts to spend in the Velvet Room.
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** Ren is initially appointed as Treasurer of the Student Council at Makoto's recommendation, although she's able to manipulate Kobayakawa into promoting him to Vice President by painting it as an idea to get the students to stop talking about Kamoshida. In ''Persona 5'' canon, Ren's involvement with the Student Council begins and ends with Makoto, never once being able to join it.

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** Ren is initially appointed as Treasurer of the Student Council at Makoto's recommendation, although she's able to manipulate Kobayakawa into promoting him to Vice President by painting it as an idea to get the students to stop talking about Kamoshida. In ''Persona 5'' canon, 5'', Ren's involvement with the Student Council begins and ends with Makoto, never once being able to join it.



* CripplingOverspecialization: Before Makoto joins the Thieves, Ren's entire fighting strategy was relying on Yoshitsune to the point where his entire fighting style was literally "[[AttackAttackAttack Hassou Tobi bitches!]]" while refusing to use other Personas. While PlayedForLaughs when the other Thieves offhandedly discuss when he runs into enemies that are immune to physical attacks, Makoto's outright aghast that he had no other strategy beyond using a massively powerful physical attack that also harms Joker, who describes it as having his insides chopped up.

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* CripplingOverspecialization: Before Makoto joins the Thieves, Ren's entire fighting strategy was relying on Yoshitsune to the point where his entire fighting style was literally "[[AttackAttackAttack Hassou Tobi bitches!]]" while refusing to use other Personas. While PlayedForLaughs when the other Thieves offhandedly discuss when he runs into enemies that are immune to physical attacks, Makoto's outright aghast that he Joker had no other strategy beyond using a massively powerful physical attack that also harms Joker, who describes it [[CastFromHitPoints deals intense recoil damage]] which is described as if he's having his insides chopped up.



* ForgottenBirthday: Sae has forgotten Makoto's birthday at least two years in a row, with the [[GossipyHens other students]] know this and make gossip to this end, commenting that this happened last year too.

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* ForgottenBirthday: Sae has forgotten Makoto's birthday at least two years in a row, with which serves as only more gossip fodder for the [[GossipyHens other students]] know this and make gossip to this end, commenting that this happened last year too.students]].



* SecretRelationship: Ren and Makoto's relationship is this this until the end of summer.

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* SecretRelationship: Ren and Makoto's relationship is this this until the end of summer.summer although by that point, EveryoneCanSeeIt.



* ShoutOut: Yusuke quotes Film/AmericanPsycho when shopping for blank cards for copying skill cards.

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* ShoutOut: Yusuke directly quotes Film/AmericanPsycho when [[Film/AmericanPsycho Patrick Bateman]]'s praise of Paul Allen's business card while shopping for blank cards for copying to use to create skill cards.



* TrademarkFavoriteFood: [[BlandNameProduct Manta]] for Ryuji and Ren to a lesser degree.
* VengefulVendingMachine: Ryuji gets his arm stuck in a vending machine trying to get a stuck [[BlandNameProduct Second Maid]].

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* TrademarkFavoriteFood: Ryuji loves [[BlandNameProduct Manta]] soft drinks, getting them as birthday gifts and emptying out entire vending machines for Ryuji and Ren to a lesser degree.
them.
* VengefulVendingMachine: During the Alibaba arc, Ryuji gets his arm stuck in a vending machine trying to get a stuck [[BlandNameProduct Second Maid]].Maid]] for Ann.
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* ShoutOut: Yusuke quotes [[Film/AmericanPsycho]] when shopping for blank cards for copying skill cards.

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* ShoutOut: Yusuke quotes [[Film/AmericanPsycho]] Film/AmericanPsycho when shopping for blank cards for copying skill cards.



* StraightMan: Poor Ren is stuck trying to mediate the various eccentricities and quirks of his fellow Phantom Thieves.

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* StraightMan: Poor Ren is stuck trying to mediate the various eccentricities and quirks of his fellow Phantom Thieves.Thieves.
* TrademarkFavoriteFood: [[BlandNameProduct Manta]] for Ryuji and Ren to a lesser degree.
* VengefulVendingMachine: Ryuji gets his arm stuck in a vending machine trying to get a stuck [[BlandNameProduct Second Maid]].
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* RotatingProtagonist: Chapter 41, ''Chores 2'', changes the point of view between Ren, Ryuji, Ann, Yusuke, and finally Makoto as they prepare for Futaba's palace.


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* ShoutOut: Yusuke quotes [[Film/AmericanPsycho]] when shopping for blank cards for copying skill cards.
--> '''Yusuke''': Oh my god, it even has a watermark.
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* SilentTreatment: Ren's method of punishing Ryuji for violating MaleRestroomEtiquette while trying to investigate as to whether him and Makoto are actually dating or not.

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* SilentTreatment: Ren's method of punishing Ryuji for violating MaleRestroomEtiquette while trying to investigate as to whether him and Makoto are actually dating or not.not.
* StraightMan: Poor Ren is stuck trying to mediate the various eccentricities and quirks of his fellow Phantom Thieves.
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--> ''Ren''' (thinking): [[InternalMonologue She's already 'doing' Ryuji, huh? Love that for her.]]

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--> ''Ren''' '''Ren''' (thinking): [[InternalMonologue She's already 'doing' Ryuji, huh? Love that for her.]]
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* GettingHotInHere: While driving to Futaba's palace in the desert, Ren [[ClothingDamage tears off his too-small shirt]] and Ryuji takes his shirt off.
* ImaginedInnuendo: Ann talks about "doing" Ryuji when she means buying new outfits for people.
--> ''Ren''' (thinking): [[InternalMonologue She's already 'doing' Ryuji, huh? Love that for her.]]


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* MythologyGag: In a game of "Would You Rather?", Makoto asks Ren if she would rather be in the same class as Ryuji or Ann. Ren picks Ann.
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* AdaptationalBadass: Ren uses Yoshitsune, specifically his Hassou Tobi SignatureMove, to breeze through the enemies.

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* AdaptationalBadass: Ren uses Yoshitsune, specifically his [[BladeSpam Hassou Tobi Tobi]] SignatureMove, to breeze through the enemies.



** Ren chooses to add Raoul to his his minuscule team of Personas after finally deciding to diversify his moveset. In the game proper, Raoul is a [=DLC=] exclusive Persona although can be purchased through the Compendium for cheap.
* AdaptationalJerkass: Downplayed with Ren, who's sarcasm is also leveled at his fellow Thieves on occasion and considers Akechi more of a creepy annoyance than his rival. However, Ren is described as having a "[[StraightMan tired dad]]" personality rather than being a plain unlikable asshole and is still an upstanding young man otherwise.

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** Ren chooses to add Raoul to his his minuscule team of Personas after finally deciding to diversify his moveset. In the game proper, Raoul is a [=DLC=] DLC exclusive Persona although can be purchased through the Compendium for cheap.
* AdaptationalJerkass: Downplayed with Ren, who's whose sarcasm is also leveled at his fellow Thieves on occasion and considers Akechi more of a creepy annoyance than his rival. However, Ren is described as having a "[[StraightMan tired dad]]" personality rather than being a plain unlikable asshole and is still an upstanding young man otherwise.



** Ren is initially appointed as Treasurer of the Student Council at Makoto's recommendation, although she's able to manipulate Kobayakawa into promoting him to Vice President by painting it as an idea to get the students to stop talking about Kamoshida. In ''Persona 5'' canon, Ren's involvement with the Student Council begins and ends with Makoto, never once being able to join it

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** Ren is initially appointed as Treasurer of the Student Council at Makoto's recommendation, although she's able to manipulate Kobayakawa into promoting him to Vice President by painting it as an idea to get the students to stop talking about Kamoshida. In ''Persona 5'' canon, Ren's involvement with the Student Council begins and ends with Makoto, never once being able to join it it.



* AscendedExtra: While a powerful Persona in its own right in the games, Yoshitsune plays the role of Ren's main Persona as [[DemotedToExtra he never summons back Arsene]] after Caroline & Justine force him to sacrifice him to demonstrate fusion.
* BadassBookworm: Ren is both the Trickster and a student who loves to study most subjects, with only a real disdain for writing essays. It's this quality that helps him bond with Makoto earlier in April.

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* AscendedExtra: While a powerful Persona in its own right in the games, Yoshitsune plays the role of Ren's main Persona as [[DemotedToExtra he never summons back Arsene]] after Caroline & and Justine force him to sacrifice him to demonstrate fusion.
* BadassBookworm: Ren is both the Trickster Wild Card and a student who loves to study most subjects, with only a real disdain for writing essays. It's this quality that helps him bond with Makoto earlier in April.



* CatsHateWater: Ren gives Morgana a bath after [[spoiler: Morgana falls out of a boat and they nearly drown]] and Morgana is none too pleased.

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* CatsHateWater: Ren gives Morgana a bath after [[spoiler: Morgana [[spoiler:Morgana falls out of a boat and they nearly drown]] and Morgana is none too pleased.



* SecretRelationship: Ren and Makoto's relationship is this this until "the end of summer".

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* SecretRelationship: Ren and Makoto's relationship is this this until "the the end of summer".summer.
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Based on Persona 5 Royal, this story focuses on Ren and Makoto's relationship. It changes Ren into a third-year student who sits behind Makoto and starts dating her earlier than possible in canon.

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Based on Persona ''Persona 5 Royal, Royal'', this story focuses on Ren and Makoto's relationship. It changes Ren into a third-year student who sits behind Makoto and starts dating her earlier than possible in canon.



* AdaptationRelationshipOverhaul: Other than imagining Ren being a third year instead of a second year student, the story's main premise may as well be a WhatIf tale of Makoto being ''the'' [[PromotedToLoveInterest canon love interest]].

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* AdaptationRelationshipOverhaul: Other than Aside from imagining Ren being as a third year instead of a second year student, the story's main premise may as well be a WhatIf tale of Makoto being ''the'' [[PromotedToLoveInterest canon love interest]].



** In the original ''Persona 5'', Yoshitsune is only available upon reaching the seventh rank the Tower Arcana and could only be obtained through a Velvet Room advanced fusion that required advancing other Confidants. In the story, Yoshitsune is Ren's go-to Persona despite not having met Shinya yet.

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** In the original ''Persona 5'', Yoshitsune is only available upon reaching the seventh rank of the Tower Arcana and could only be obtained through a Velvet Room advanced fusion that required advancing other Confidants. In the story, Yoshitsune is Ren's go-to Persona despite not having met meeting Shinya yet.any sooner than he did in canon.



* AdaptationalJerkass: Downplayed with Ren, who's sarcasm is also leveled at his fellow Thieves on occasion and considers Akechi more of a creepy annoyance than his rival. However, Ren's personality is more akin to being a [[StraightMan tired dad]] moreso than being a plain unlikable asshole and is still an upstanding young man otherwise.

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* AdaptationalJerkass: Downplayed with Ren, who's sarcasm is also leveled at his fellow Thieves on occasion and considers Akechi more of a creepy annoyance than his rival. However, Ren's Ren is described as having a "[[StraightMan tired dad]]" personality is more akin to being a [[StraightMan tired dad]] moreso rather than being a plain unlikable asshole and is still an upstanding young man otherwise.



** Ren is appointed as Treasurer of the Student Council at Makoto's recommendation, with Kobayakawa being manipulated to promoting him to Vice President by Makoto who painted it as an idea to get the students to stop talking about Kamoshida. In ''Persona 5'' canon, Ren's involvement with the Student Council begins and ends with Makoto, never once being able to join it

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** Ren is initially appointed as Treasurer of the Student Council at Makoto's recommendation, with although she's able to manipulate Kobayakawa being manipulated to into promoting him to Vice President by Makoto who painted painting it as an idea to get the students to stop talking about Kamoshida. In ''Persona 5'' canon, Ren's involvement with the Student Council begins and ends with Makoto, never once being able to join it

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* AdaptationRelationshipOverhaul: Other than imagining Ren being a third year instead of a second year student, the story's main premise may as well be a WhatIf tale of Makoto being ''the'' [[PromotedToLoveInterest canon love interest]].



* AdaptationalJerkass: Downplayed with Ren, who's sarcasm is also leveled at his fellow Thieves on occasion and considers Akechi more of a creepy annoyance than his rival. However, Ren's still an upstanding young man, just that his personality is more akin to being a [[StraightMan tired dad]] moreso than being a plain unlikable asshole.
* AdaptationalJobChange: Downplayed. Kawakami and all of Ren's other teachers in the game now all teach third year students instead of second years.

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* AdaptationalJerkass: Downplayed with Ren, who's sarcasm is also leveled at his fellow Thieves on occasion and considers Akechi more of a creepy annoyance than his rival. However, Ren's still an upstanding young man, just that his personality is more akin to being a [[StraightMan tired dad]] moreso than being a plain unlikable asshole.
asshole and is still an upstanding young man otherwise.
* AdaptationalJobChange: Downplayed. AdaptationalJobChange:
** Downplayed with
Kawakami and all of Ren's other teachers in the game game, who now all teach third year students instead of second years.years.
** Ren is appointed as Treasurer of the Student Council at Makoto's recommendation, with Kobayakawa being manipulated to promoting him to Vice President by Makoto who painted it as an idea to get the students to stop talking about Kamoshida. In ''Persona 5'' canon, Ren's involvement with the Student Council begins and ends with Makoto, never once being able to join it



* ForgottenBirthday: Sae has forgotten Makoto's birthday at least two years in a row, with the [[GossipyHens other students]] know this and make gossip to this end, commenting that this happened last year too. However, Sae forgetting Makoto's birthday a second time kickstarts the romance between Ren and Makoto when he celebrates with her and is the only one to remember.

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* ForgottenBirthday: Sae has forgotten Makoto's birthday at least two years in a row, with the [[GossipyHens other students]] know this and make gossip to this end, commenting that this happened last year too. However, Sae forgetting Makoto's birthday a second time kickstarts the romance between Ren and Makoto when he celebrates with her and is the only one to remember.


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* {{Irony}}: Sae has a low opinion of Ren despite never having once met him due to his fraudulent arrest record and wants Makoto to have nothing to do with him. Sae forgetting Makoto's birthday is what helps kickstart the romance between Ren and Makoto at the beginning of the fic.

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* AdaptationalJerkass: Downplayed with Ren, who's sarcasm can also be leveled at his fellow Thieves and considers Akechi more of a creepy annoyance than his rival. However, Ren's still an upstanding young man, just that his personality is more akin to being a [[StraightMan tired dad]] morso than being a plain unlikable asshole.

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* AdaptationalEarlyAppearance:
** In the original ''Persona 5'', Yoshitsune is only available upon reaching the seventh rank the Tower Arcana and could only be obtained through a Velvet Room advanced fusion that required advancing other Confidants. In the story, Yoshitsune is Ren's go-to Persona despite not having met Shinya yet.
** Ren chooses to add Raoul to his his minuscule team of Personas after finally deciding to diversify his moveset. In the game proper, Raoul is a [=DLC=] exclusive Persona although can be purchased through the Compendium for cheap.
* AdaptationalJerkass: Downplayed with Ren, who's sarcasm can is also be leveled at his fellow Thieves on occasion and considers Akechi more of a creepy annoyance than his rival. However, Ren's still an upstanding young man, just that his personality is more akin to being a [[StraightMan tired dad]] morso moreso than being a plain unlikable asshole.asshole.
* AdaptationalJobChange: Downplayed. Kawakami and all of Ren's other teachers in the game now all teach third year students instead of second years.



* AscendedExtra: While a powerful Persona in its own right in the games, Yoshitsune plays the role of Ren's main Persona as [[DemotedToExtra he never summons back Arsene]] after Caroline & Justine force him to sacrifice him to demonstrate fusion.



* BirthdayBeginning: The story opens with a ForgottenBirthday for Makoto. Ren finds out, leading to an impromptu birthday celebration (and date).

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* BirthdayBeginning: The story opens with a ForgottenBirthday for Makoto. Ren finds out, leading to an impromptu birthday celebration (and date).that also turns out to be their first date.



* CripplingOverspecialization: Before Makoto joins the Thieves, Ren's entire fighting strategy was relying on Yoshitsune to the point where his entire fighting style was literally "[[AttackAttackAttack Hassou Tobi bitches!]]" while refusing to use other Personas. While PlayedForLaughs when the other Thieves offhandedly discuss when he runs into enemies that are immune to physical attacks, Makoto's outright aghast that he had no other strategy beyond using a massively powerful physical attack that also harms Joker, who descibes it as having his insides chopped up.

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* CripplingOverspecialization: Before Makoto joins the Thieves, Ren's entire fighting strategy was relying on Yoshitsune to the point where his entire fighting style was literally "[[AttackAttackAttack Hassou Tobi bitches!]]" while refusing to use other Personas. While PlayedForLaughs when the other Thieves offhandedly discuss when he runs into enemies that are immune to physical attacks, Makoto's outright aghast that he had no other strategy beyond using a massively powerful physical attack that also harms Joker, who descibes describes it as having his insides chopped up.



* ForgottenBirthday: Makoto's birthday is forgotten by her sister. The [[GossipyHens other students]] know this and make gossip to this end, commenting that this happened last year too.

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* ForgottenBirthday: Sae has forgotten Makoto's birthday is forgotten by her sister. The at least two years in a row, with the [[GossipyHens other students]] know this and make gossip to this end, commenting that this happened last year too.too. However, Sae forgetting Makoto's birthday a second time kickstarts the romance between Ren and Makoto when he celebrates with her and is the only one to remember.
* InMediasRes: Downplayed. ''Sitting Behind You'' starts on April 23rd, roughly two weeks after Ren began attending Shujin.



* RelationshipUpgrade: Ren and Makoto, in the first chapter.

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* RelationshipUpgrade: Ren and Makoto, Makoto in the first chapter.chapter, after the former treats her to a day out on her birthday while being the only one to remember.

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* AdaptationalAngstUpgrade: Makoto investigating Ren is played for angst, straining their relationship.
* AdaptationalBadass: Ren uses Yoshitsune to breeze through the enemies.

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* AdaptationalAngstUpgrade: Makoto investigating Ren at the behest of the Principal is played PlayedForDrama, as Makoto tailing Ren and Ryuji in Kichijoji and secretly recording Ann and Ryuji loudly claiming they're Phantom Thieves during a conversation strains the relationship between Makoto and Ren for angst, straining their relationship.
most of the Kaneshiro arc.
* AdaptationalBadass: Ren uses Yoshitsune Yoshitsune, specifically his Hassou Tobi SignatureMove, to breeze through the enemies.enemies.
* AdaptationalJerkass: Downplayed with Ren, who's sarcasm can also be leveled at his fellow Thieves and considers Akechi more of a creepy annoyance than his rival. However, Ren's still an upstanding young man, just that his personality is more akin to being a [[StraightMan tired dad]] morso than being a plain unlikable asshole.



* BadassBookworm: Ren is both the Trickster and a student who loves to study most subjects. This is used as a way to bond with Makoto earlier in the year.

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* BadassBookworm: Ren is both the Trickster and a student who loves to study most subjects. This is used as subjects, with only a way to real disdain for writing essays. It's this quality that helps him bond with Makoto earlier in the year.April.



* CannotSpitItOut: Ren to Makoto in chapter 38. He settles for "I'll miss you".

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* CannotSpitItOut: The B plot for the Alibaba arc is [[TheILoveYouStigma Ren being unable to tell Makoto that he loves her]] despite being in chapter 38. He a committed relationship in all but name by that point. Instead, he settles for telling her "I'll miss you".you" every time she leaves.



* CripplingOverspecialization: Ren's reliance on Yoshitsune. PlayedForLaughs when he runs into enemies that are immune to physical and refuses to use other Persona.
* DeadpanSnarker: Ren, especially his internal monologue.

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* CripplingOverspecialization: Before Makoto joins the Thieves, Ren's reliance entire fighting strategy was relying on Yoshitsune. Yoshitsune to the point where his entire fighting style was literally "[[AttackAttackAttack Hassou Tobi bitches!]]" while refusing to use other Personas. While PlayedForLaughs when the other Thieves offhandedly discuss when he runs into enemies that are immune to physical and refuses to use attacks, Makoto's outright aghast that he had no other Persona.
* DeadpanSnarker: Ren, especially
strategy beyond using a massively powerful physical attack that also harms Joker, who descibes it as having his internal monologue.insides chopped up.



* TheILoveYouStigma: Ren wonders if he is ready to say this in Chapter 38.



* NewGamePlus: Ren is noted to be playing on this mode, giving him lots of money and access to Yoshitsune.



* SilentTreatment: Ren's method of punishing Ryuji for violating MaleRestroomEtiquette.

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* SilentTreatment: Ren's method of punishing Ryuji for violating MaleRestroomEtiquette.MaleRestroomEtiquette while trying to investigate as to whether him and Makoto are actually dating or not.
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''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/50738470 Sitting Behind You]]'' is a ''VideoGame/Persona5'' AlternateUniverse FanFiction by [=RedOrange99=].

Based on Persona 5 Royal, this story focuses on Ren and Makoto's relationship. It changes Ren into a third-year student who sits behind Makoto and starts dating her earlier than possible in canon.

This story currently updates every four days.

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!!Tropes found in this fanfiction:
* AdaptationalAngstUpgrade: Makoto investigating Ren is played for angst, straining their relationship.
* AdaptationalBadass: Ren uses Yoshitsune to breeze through the enemies.
* AffectionateNickname: Makoto frets over not being able to find one for Ren and is PlayedForLaughs when she asks Eiko for help.
* BadassBookworm: Ren is both the Trickster and a student who loves to study most subjects. This is used as a way to bond with Makoto earlier in the year.
* BirthdayBeginning: The story opens with a ForgottenBirthday for Makoto. Ren finds out, leading to an impromptu birthday celebration (and date).
* CannotSpitItOut: Ren to Makoto in chapter 38. He settles for "I'll miss you".
* CatsHateWater: Ren gives Morgana a bath after [[spoiler: Morgana falls out of a boat and they nearly drown]] and Morgana is none too pleased.
* CripplingOverspecialization: Ren's reliance on Yoshitsune. PlayedForLaughs when he runs into enemies that are immune to physical and refuses to use other Persona.
* DeadpanSnarker: Ren, especially his internal monologue.
* DrowningMySorrows: A non-alcoholic variant. Ren seeks out Takemi's [[TestSubjectForHire clinical trial]] to get knocked out and take his mind off of Makoto when she is investigating him.
* ForgottenBirthday: Makoto's birthday is forgotten by her sister. The [[GossipyHens other students]] know this and make gossip to this end, commenting that this happened last year too.
* TheILoveYouStigma: Ren wonders if he is ready to say this in Chapter 38.
* InSeriesNickname: Ren is called a nickname by Yusuke ("Renpai"), Ryuji ("Renren"), Sojiro ("Kid"), and Takemi ("guinea pig").
* InSpiteOfANail: Despite Ren and Makoto being close, Makoto still investigates the Phantom Thieves much like in canon.
* LongList: Eiko's attempt to help Makoto find an AffectionateNickname for Ren has 44 suggestions.
--> '''Makoto''': Thank you, Eiko. [[BlatantLies These were helpful]].
* MissXPun: As Ren is a third-year in this story, "Renpai" puns on [[UsefulNotes/JapaneseHonorifics senpai]]. Only Yusuke uses it, with Ryuji and Ann refuse on the basis of it being an AtrociousAlias.
* NewGamePlus: Ren is noted to be playing on this mode, giving him lots of money and access to Yoshitsune.
* PointOfDivergence: Ren is a third year instead of a second year, and sits behind Makoto instead of Ann.
* PoorCommunicationKills: When Makoto investigates Ren as a suspected Phantom Thief, instead of just asking her boyfriend about the Thieves, she opts to stalk Ren.
* RelationshipUpgrade: Ren and Makoto, in the first chapter.
* SecretRelationship: Ren and Makoto's relationship is this this until "the end of summer".
* ShipperOnDeck: Ann (and Ryuji, at her behest) to Ren and Makoto.
--> '''Ann''': They're totally gonna kiss at the fireworks festival. I'm gonna make it happen.
* SilentTreatment: Ren's method of punishing Ryuji for violating MaleRestroomEtiquette.

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