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* FantasyCounterpartCulture: In line with the movies, Telmar is strongly influenced by Spain -- they have names such as Tomas and Katerina, grow olives and oranges, and the royal Palace is built in a rather Moorish style.
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* FantasyCounterpartCulture: In line with the movies, Telmar is strongly influenced by the people's origins in Spain -- they have names such as Tomas and Katerina, grow olives and oranges, and the royal Palace is built in a rather Moorish style.
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** Jon awkwardly explains the only way for siblings to share a throne as the Narnian rulers was for a Targaryen king to marry his sisters.
** Susan is disgusted when Tormund explains the Free Folk's custom of bride-stealing, considering it rape.
** Susan is disgusted when Tormund explains the Free Folk's custom of bride-stealing, considering it rape.
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** Jon awkwardly explains the only way the Westerosi would see for siblings to share a throne as the way that the Narnian rulers do was for a Targaryen king to marry his sisters.
** Susan is disgusted when Tormund explains the Free Folk's custom of bride-stealing,considering it being rape.
** Susan is disgusted when Tormund explains the Free Folk's custom of bride-stealing,
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** Talking Animals are very common in Narnia, to the point that killing one is ruled a murder. Westerosi are utterly floored when they meet the sapient beasts.
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** Talking Animals are standard and very common in Narnia, to the point that killing one is ruled a murder. Narnia. The Westerosi are utterly floored when they meet the sapient beasts.
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* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome:
** Sansa and Peter's growing interest for each other is complicated by the fact that both of them are ruling monarchs in their own rights, and the time differential between their worlds ensures a long-distance relationship would be quite impossible to sustain. They sadly conclude it wouldn't work between them, and break up.
** Three of Narnia's four monarchs suddenly disappearing is a heavy blow to the country, leaving the Narnians aware the succession now relies entirely upon Susan living and producing children.
** When Ghost has time to settle and seriously think about what being a Talking Beast implies, he feels deeply uprooted and needs some time to himself as he grows used to sapience.
** Even if Jon and Susan deeply love each other, they ''will'' fight over political and personal matters. It's worsened by the current highly stressing politicate climate, as they have to lead in spite of it.
** After Anvard's failed invasion and his public humiliation when he was turned into a donkey, Rabadash has lost much face in Calormen, to the point no one wants to see their daughter married to him.
** Sansa and Peter's growing interest for each other is complicated by the fact that both of them are ruling monarchs in their own rights, and the time differential between their worlds ensures a long-distance relationship would be quite impossible to sustain. They sadly conclude it wouldn't work between them, and break up.
** Three of Narnia's four monarchs suddenly disappearing is a heavy blow to the country, leaving the Narnians aware the succession now relies entirely upon Susan living and producing children.
** When Ghost has time to settle and seriously think about what being a Talking Beast implies, he feels deeply uprooted and needs some time to himself as he grows used to sapience.
** Even if Jon and Susan deeply love each other, they ''will'' fight over political and personal matters. It's worsened by the current highly stressing politicate climate, as they have to lead in spite of it.
** After Anvard's failed invasion and his public humiliation when he was turned into a donkey, Rabadash has lost much face in Calormen, to the point no one wants to see their daughter married to him.
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* AdultFear:
** Sansa and Bran panic when Jon seemingly drops from Planetos' surface for several months, courtesy of falling into another world.
** Even after Prince Rabadash's utter humiliation, Calormen still seeks a pretext to invade Narnia and enslave its residents.
** All of Susan's three siblings suddenly disappearing when they're hunting the white stag. Not only it deeply affects her on the personal level, it politically weakens Narnia by depriving the country of its rulers.
** After rebelling against Narnia, the Governor of the Lone Islands is imprisoned and sentenced to die, leaving his wife to rule and care for their children alone and in mourning.
** Criminals abducting and trying to ''kill'' the newborn prince, right in front of his parents.
** Sansa and Bran panic when Jon seemingly drops from Planetos' surface for several months, courtesy of falling into another world.
** Even after Prince Rabadash's utter humiliation, Calormen still seeks a pretext to invade Narnia and enslave its residents.
** All of Susan's three siblings suddenly disappearing when they're hunting the white stag. Not only it deeply affects her on the personal level, it politically weakens Narnia by depriving the country of its rulers.
** After rebelling against Narnia, the Governor of the Lone Islands is imprisoned and sentenced to die, leaving his wife to rule and care for their children alone and in mourning.
** Criminals abducting and trying to ''kill'' the newborn prince, right in front of his parents.
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* RejectingTheInheritance: Jon is firmly bent on letting the Targaryen name die, and hope the blood he inherited from Rhaegar will grow so diluted by his marriage to Susan that it won't matter anymore.
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* RejectingTheInheritance: Jon is firmly bent on letting the Targaryen name die, and hope hopes the blood he inherited from Rhaegar will grow so diluted by his marriage to Susan that it won't matter anymore.
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** King Tomas of Telmar firmly refuses to grant military help to Narnia unless they consider his daughter as a bride to their newborn Prince.
* PurpleProse: Potentially weaponized by the Calormene ambassador, whose speech is so ludicrously florid and poetic that even Tyrion Lannister needs a moment to decrypt it.
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** The Narnians accept Princess Marilisa of Telmar as the newborn Prince Edmund's bride of spite of their strong distaste for ArrangedMarriage because she will be send to Calormen otherwise, reasoning the girl will be far happier and ''safer'' in Cair Paravel than in Tashbaan.
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** The Narnians accept Princess Marilisa of Telmar as the newborn Prince Edmund's bride of in spite of their strong distaste for ArrangedMarriage because she will be send sent to Calormen otherwise, reasoning the girl will be far happier and ''safer'' in Cair Paravel than in Tashbaan.
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** When Ghost has time to settle and seriously think about what being a Talking Beast implies, he feels deeply uprooted and needs some time to himself as he grows used to sapience.
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* WhiteWolvesAreSpecial
WhiteWolvesAreSpecial: Ghost the white direwolf manages to gain the Narnians' respect in spite of wolves being despised for allying with the White Witch, and later is elevated as a Talking Beast by Aslan himself
*WouldHurtAChildWouldHurtAChild:
** The Narnians accept Princess Marilisa of Telmar as the newborn Prince Edmund's bride of spite of their strong distaste for ArrangedMarriage because she will be send to Calormen otherwise, reasoning the girl will be far happier and ''safer'' in Cair Paravel than in Tashbaan.
** Some Lone Islands rebels try to abduct and kill the infant Edmund as retaliation for their imprisonment.
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** The Narnians accept Princess Marilisa of Telmar as the newborn Prince Edmund's bride of spite of their strong distaste for ArrangedMarriage because she will be send to Calormen otherwise, reasoning the girl will be far happier and ''safer'' in Cair Paravel than in Tashbaan.
** Some Lone Islands rebels try to abduct and kill the infant Edmund as retaliation for their imprisonment.
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* SignificantWardrobeShift: As he accepts his love for Susan and decides to live happy in Narnia, Jon leaves his black clothes (he wore these as a man of the Night's Watch, sworn to duty) for grey ones.
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* SuccessionCrisis
SuccessionCrisis: Discussed, as the Westerosi ponder the possibility of the current Narnian rulers' children fighting each other for the throne. Peter admits the Pevensies actually thought about the matter, and concluded the High King's bloodline alone would rule over Narnia. Of course, Peter's disappearance with Edmund and Lucy thoroughly ruins this plan, as Susan is the only royal able to produce heirs.
** Their monarchs vanishing into thin air leaves the Narnians a mite paranoid about Susan possibly disappearing or dying without children to succeed her. Fortunately, it doesn't last since she's pregnant by her brand-new husband and gives birth to a healthy son.
*SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome
SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome:
** Sansa and Peter's growing interest for each other is complicated by the fact that both of them are ruling monarchs in their own rights, and the time differential between their worlds ensures a long-distance relationship would be quite impossible to sustain. They sadly conclude it wouldn't work between them, and break up.
** Three of Narnia's four monarchs suddenly disappearing is a heavy blow to the country, leaving the Narnians aware the succession now relies entirely upon Susan living and producing children.
** Even if Jon and Susan deeply love each other, they ''will'' fight over political and personal matters. It's worsened by the current highly stressing politicate climate, as they have to lead in spite of it.
** After Anvard's failed invasion and his public humiliation when he was turned into a donkey, Rabadash has lost much face in Calormen, to the point no one wants to see their daughter married to him.
*VicariouslyAmbitiousVicariouslyAmbitious: King Tomas of Telmar wants for his baby daughter to become a Queen. He bluntly suggests a betrothal between her and the newborn Prince Edmund, but confesses he's also eying the Tisroc's grandson as a potential groom.
** Their monarchs vanishing into thin air leaves the Narnians a mite paranoid about Susan possibly disappearing or dying without children to succeed her. Fortunately, it doesn't last since she's pregnant by her brand-new husband and gives birth to a healthy son.
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** Sansa and Peter's growing interest for each other is complicated by the fact that both of them are ruling monarchs in their own rights, and the time differential between their worlds ensures a long-distance relationship would be quite impossible to sustain. They sadly conclude it wouldn't work between them, and break up.
** Three of Narnia's four monarchs suddenly disappearing is a heavy blow to the country, leaving the Narnians aware the succession now relies entirely upon Susan living and producing children.
** Even if Jon and Susan deeply love each other, they ''will'' fight over political and personal matters. It's worsened by the current highly stressing politicate climate, as they have to lead in spite of it.
** After Anvard's failed invasion and his public humiliation when he was turned into a donkey, Rabadash has lost much face in Calormen, to the point no one wants to see their daughter married to him.
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** Jon awkwardly explains the only way for siblings to share a throne as the Narnian rulers was for a Targaryen king to marry his sisters.
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* LoveCannotOvercome
* MythologyGag
* ModestRoyalty
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* MythologyGag
* ModestRoyalty
* NarniaTime
* RejectingTheInheritance
* SecondLove
* SilkHidingSteel
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* LoveCannotOvercome
LoveCannotOvercome: Peter and Sansa genuinely would have been great and happy together, but they love their respective countries much more than they will love each other. Their break-up is rather bittersweet as a consequence.
*MythologyGag
MythologyGag: Susan being left alone while her siblings are whisked away to another world.
*ModestRoyalty
ModestRoyalty: By marrying Susan, Jon technically becomes Narnia's Prince Consort but is always merely referred as the queen's husband, and is quite content with it.
*NarniaTime
NarniaTime: It causes a lot of tension between Westeros and Narnia. Craster's escaped wives and daughters lived twenty years in Narnia before going back to the North, Sansa and Peter ultimately decide their romantic relationship cannot work partially because the time issue is adding to the problems inherent to a marriage between two ruling monarchs, and Jon almost misses his son's birth after briefly visiting Tormund.
*RejectingTheInheritance
RejectingTheInheritance: Jon is firmly bent on letting the Targaryen name die, and hope the blood he inherited from Rhaegar will grow so diluted by his marriage to Susan that it won't matter anymore.
*SecondLove
SecondLove:
** Jon for Susan after her disastrous venture with Rabadash. On his side, he had affairs with Ygritte from the Free Folk and Daenerys Targaryen before marrying Susan.
** Peter for Sansa, who was involved with Joffrey, Sandor, Tyrion, Petyr Baelish and Ramsay Snow. It's more ambiguous if ''she'' is an example for him.
*SilkHidingSteelSilkHidingSteel: Susan lives up to her epithet as the Gentle Queen. But if you try to threaten her son, she will sentence you to death ''on the spot''.
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** Jon for Susan after her disastrous venture with Rabadash. On his side, he had affairs with Ygritte from the Free Folk and Daenerys Targaryen before marrying Susan.
** Peter for Sansa, who was involved with Joffrey, Sandor, Tyrion, Petyr Baelish and Ramsay Snow. It's more ambiguous if ''she'' is an example for him.
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** After the unending parade of psychopaths and morally dubious men lusting after her, Sansa genuinely feels charmed by Peter's gallantry and sweetness.
** Susan falls for the HonorBeforeReason Jon Snow, who couldn't be more different from Prince Rabadash.
** Susan falls for the HonorBeforeReason Jon Snow, who couldn't be more different from Prince Rabadash.
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** After rebelling against Narnia, the Governor of the Lone Islands is imprisoned and sentenced to die, leaving his wife to rule and care for their children alone and in mourning.
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* {{Expy}}
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* GreaterScopeVillain
* LighterAndSofter
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** It's mentioned that Calormen allows for men to marry several wives, something that was a point of contention when Rabadash was still considered a potential suitor for Susan.
*DeadGuyJunior
DeadGuyJunior: Susan names her newborn son Edmund after her brother (he's not dead, but he has disappeared with her other siblings), nicknamed Ned after Jon's father.
*EveryoneHasStandards
EveryoneHasStandards: Narnia isn't fond of ArrangedMarriage, especially when it involves ''two babies''. However, Susan and her subjects reluctantly agree to a betrothal between young Edmund and Princess Marilisa of Telmar since the Princess' father is ready to offer her as a bride to the Tisroc's grandson and they can't stomach the idea of a little girl suffering in Calormen.
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{{Expy}}: The Crimson Queen is a mix of Melisandre (her ColorMotif is red and she's obsessed with king's blood) and the Emerald Witch (originating from Ettinsmoor and brainwashing people into obedient slaves, a Narnian royal among them).
*FantasyCounterpartCulture
FantasyCounterpartCulture: In line with the movies, Telmar is strongly influenced by Spain -- they have names such as Tomas and Katerina, grow olives and oranges, and the royal Palace is built in a rather Moorish style.
*GreaterScopeVillain
GreaterScopeVillain: Calormen's ever-growing threat is constantly looming over Narnia.
*LighterAndSofterLighterAndSofter: When one compares Westeros to Narnia, it's impossible to deny Narnians are much happier, trustworthy and kind than natives from the Seven Kingdoms.
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* AwesomeButImpractical
* CultureClash
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* AdultFear
AdultFear:
** Sansa and Bran panic when Jon seemingly drops from Planetos' surface for several months, courtesy of falling into another world.
** Even after Prince Rabadash's utter humiliation, Calormen still seeks a pretext to invade Narnia and enslave its residents.
** All of Susan's three siblings suddenly disappearing when they're hunting the white stag. Not only it deeply affects her on the personal level, it politically weakens Narnia by depriving the country of its rulers.
** Criminals abducting and trying to ''kill'' the newborn prince, right in front of his parents.
*AltarDiplomacy
AltarDiplomacy: Sansa seriously considers the eventuality of formalizing an alliance between Narnia and the North through her marriage to Peter. Even if their duties as rulers ultimately forbid it, the alliance nonetheless sees Peter's older sister Susan marrying Jon Snow.
*AwesomeButImpractical
AssInAmbassador: The Calormen tarkaan sent to Narnia after the Crimson Queen affair blatantly insinuates that Calormen will invade if the mouse Jewel isn't given to them for being enslaved, and later openly calls Sansa a whore after learning she manipulated him.
*CultureClashAwesomeButImpractical:
** Jon's opinion regarding dragons. Yes, their potential as flying nukes is unrivalled, but they're impossible to tame and liable to burn and eat their own masters on a whim.
** Summoning Aslan is seen as a last-extremity option in Narnia, as they remember he's far from being a tamed lion. King Tomas of Telmar muses it's better to ''not'' ask for DivineIntervention as a rule -- you just might be granted it, and you likely won't enjoy the requirements.
* CultureClash:
** Talking Animals are very common in Narnia, to the point that killing one is ruled a murder. Westerosi are utterly floored when they meet the sapient beasts.
** Susan is disgusted when Tormund explains the Free Folk's custom of bride-stealing, considering it rape.
** Narnia doesn't approve of ArrangedMarriage, unless the bride and groom are willingly entering it.
** Sansa and Bran panic when Jon seemingly drops from Planetos' surface for several months, courtesy of falling into another world.
** Even after Prince Rabadash's utter humiliation, Calormen still seeks a pretext to invade Narnia and enslave its residents.
** All of Susan's three siblings suddenly disappearing when they're hunting the white stag. Not only it deeply affects her on the personal level, it politically weakens Narnia by depriving the country of its rulers.
** Criminals abducting and trying to ''kill'' the newborn prince, right in front of his parents.
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** Jon's opinion regarding dragons. Yes, their potential as flying nukes is unrivalled, but they're impossible to tame and liable to burn and eat their own masters on a whim.
** Summoning Aslan is seen as a last-extremity option in Narnia, as they remember he's far from being a tamed lion. King Tomas of Telmar muses it's better to ''not'' ask for DivineIntervention as a rule -- you just might be granted it, and you likely won't enjoy the requirements.
* CultureClash:
** Talking Animals are very common in Narnia, to the point that killing one is ruled a murder. Westerosi are utterly floored when they meet the sapient beasts.
** Susan is disgusted when Tormund explains the Free Folk's custom of bride-stealing, considering it rape.
** Narnia doesn't approve of ArrangedMarriage, unless the bride and groom are willingly entering it.
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* WhiteWolfsAreSpecialWhiteWolvesAreSpecial
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''[[https://archiveofourown.org/series/1596649 Narnia and the North]]'' is a crossover fanfiction series between ''Series/GameOfThrones'' and ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'', written by Callie on Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn.
After getting banished from the Seven Kingdoms for killing Daenerys Targaryen, Jon Snow decides he will lead the Free Folk beyond the Wall to explore the land. He ultimately goes further than he ever imagined -- something he realizes when he stumbles on a strange lantern in the forest...
!Contains the following tropes
* AdultFear
* AltarDiplomacy
* AwesomeButImpractical
* CultureClash
* DeadGuyJunior
* EveryoneHasStandards
* {{Expy}}
* FantasyCounterpartCulture
* GreaterScopeVillain
* LighterAndSofter
* LoveCannotOvercome
* MythologyGag
* ModestRoyalty
* NarniaTime
* RejectingTheInheritance
* SecondLove
* SilkHidingSteel
* SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan
* SuccessionCrisis
* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome
* VicariouslyAmbitious
* WhiteWolfsAreSpecial
After getting banished from the Seven Kingdoms for killing Daenerys Targaryen, Jon Snow decides he will lead the Free Folk beyond the Wall to explore the land. He ultimately goes further than he ever imagined -- something he realizes when he stumbles on a strange lantern in the forest...
!Contains the following tropes
* AdultFear
* AltarDiplomacy
* AwesomeButImpractical
* CultureClash
* DeadGuyJunior
* EveryoneHasStandards
* {{Expy}}
* FantasyCounterpartCulture
* GreaterScopeVillain
* LighterAndSofter
* LoveCannotOvercome
* MythologyGag
* ModestRoyalty
* NarniaTime
* RejectingTheInheritance
* SecondLove
* SilkHidingSteel
* SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan
* SuccessionCrisis
* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome
* VicariouslyAmbitious
* WhiteWolfsAreSpecial
