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** Thanks to the primarchs and the Emperor seeing the consequences of their actions and flaws in the holovids, they start to open up to each other over the course of act 1 and talk about their problems and insecurities, forming stronger familial bonds in the process. This culminates in [[spoiler: them swearing an oath upon Johannuss' grave to never let time, feuds, or chaos break their family apart, and work together to build a better future for the galaxy.]]

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** Thanks to the primarchs and the Emperor seeing the consequences of their actions and flaws in the holovids, they start to open up to each other over the course of act Act 1 and talk progressively open up about their problems and insecurities, forming stronger familial bonds in the process. This culminates in [[spoiler: them swearing an oath upon Johannuss' the grave of the 2nd Primarch, Johannuss, to never let time, feuds, or chaos Chaos break their family apart, and work together to build a better future for the galaxy.]]

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* CharacterDevelopment: Thanks to the primarchs and the Emperor seeing the consequences of their actions and flaws in the holovids, they start to open up to each other over the course of act 1 and talk about their problems and insecurities, forming stronger familial bonds in the process. This culminates in [[spoiler: them swearing an oath upon Johannuss' grave to never let time, feuds, or chaos break their family apart, and work together to build a better future for the galaxy.]]

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* CharacterDevelopment: Thanks Many characters in the fic go through massive changes over the course of the story:
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to the primarchs and the Emperor seeing the consequences of their actions and flaws in the holovids, they start to open up to each other over the course of act 1 and talk about their problems and insecurities, forming stronger familial bonds in the process. This culminates in [[spoiler: them swearing an oath upon Johannuss' grave to never let time, feuds, or chaos break their family apart, and work together to build a better future for the galaxy.]]
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* CharacterDevelopment: Thanks to the primarchs and the Emperor seeing the consequences of their actions and flaws in the holovids, they start to open up to each other over the course of act 1 and talk about their problems and insecurities, forming stronger familial bonds in the process. This culminates in [[spoiler: them swearing an oath upon Johannuss' grave to never let time, feuds, or chaos break their family apart, and work together to build a better future for the galaxy.]]
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** In the present timeline, Erebus and Kor Phaeron get dismembered and chained to a wall by an enraged Lorgar after he and his brothers find out [[TheManBehindTheMan they were the architects of the horus heresy]], and their co-conspirators and warrior lodges in the word bearers and the other legions are subsequently purged. Absolutely no one shed any tears for them after discovering their [[TheSociopath true]] [[EvilOldFolks colours.]]
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** In the present timeline, Erebus and Kor Phaeron get dismembered and chained to a wall by an enraged Lorgar after he and his brothers find out [[TheManBehindTheMan they were the architects of the horus heresy]], and their co-conspirators and warrior lodges in the word bearers and the other legions are subsequently purged. Absolutely no one shed any tears for them after discovering their [[TheSociopath true]] [[EvilOldFolks colours.]]
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** [[spoiler: The High Riders, the ruling caste of Nuceria, are brutally slaughtered by the Imperium and has their entire civilization completely destroyed overnight. However, given what the Royal Family witnessed just how extremely cruel their rule was in Angron's backstory, there is no lost love and sympathy given to them when they are purged.]]

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** [[spoiler: The High Riders, the ruling caste of Nuceria, are brutally slaughtered by the Imperium and has their entire civilization completely destroyed overnight. However, given what the Royal Family witnessed of just how extremely cruel their rule was in Angron's backstory, there is no lost love and sympathy given to them when they are purged.]]

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* AssholeVictim: A given in the Warhammer 40k setting with how atrocities are being committed on a regular basis by many factions. However, two examples stand out in particular in Messages for Dad.
** [[spoiler: The High Riders, the ruling caste of Nuceria, are brutally slaughtered by the Imperium and has their entire civilization completely destroyed overnight. However, given what the Royal Family witnessed just how extremely cruel their rule was in Angron's backstory, there is no lost love and sympathy given to them when they are purged.]]
** The Dark Eldar, as per canon, are the most cruel of the 40k races and their modus operandi of enslaving any sentient race and cruelly imaginative torture techniques has made them many, many enemies in the setting. It is therefore unsurprising for many of the characters to [[spoiler: cheer on the destruction of their home, Commorragh, by Yvraine, Rosalina, Kain and Abel.]]



* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler:The high riders-the ruling caste of Nuceria-are brutally slaughtered by the imperium and has their entire civilization completely destroyed overnight. However, given what both the audience and the royal family saw of their actions in Angron's backstory vid, it's safe to say that they had it coming]]
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*AssholeVictim: [[spoiler:The high riders-the ruling caste of Nuceria-are brutally slaughtered by the imperium and has their entire civilization completely destroyed overnight. However, given what both the audience and the royal family saw of their actions in Angron's backstory vid, it's safe to say that they had it coming]]
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** Roboute has re-activated the Secundus protocol, with Ultramar as the new capitol of Imperium Secundus, and himself as the (extremely reluctant) Emperor. The Imperium has shrunk to a fraction of its former size, and humanity and the Aeldari are just barely hanging on amidst assault from every threat on every side.

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** Roboute has re-activated the Secundus protocol, with Ultramar as the new capitol of Imperium Secundus, and himself as the (extremely reluctant) Emperor.Regent. The Imperium has shrunk to a fraction of its former size, and humanity and the Aeldari are just barely hanging on amidst assault from every threat on every side.



* HeelRealization: Between the future visions, his honest discussion with the Primarchs, and some prodding from Malcador, the Emperor slowly begins to realize what a terrible father (and frankly, terrible person) he's been, though the real kicker comes when [[spoiler: the portion of his soul containing his compassions forces its way back into him]] prompting him to have a furious FreakOut as he rants about his terrible decisions.

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* HeelRealization: Between the future visions, his honest discussion with the Primarchs, and some prodding from Malcador, the Emperor slowly begins to realize what a terrible father (and frankly, terrible person) he's been, though the real kicker comes when [[spoiler: the portion of his soul containing his compassions compassion and humanity forces its way back into him]] prompting him to have a furious FreakOut as he rants about his terrible decisions.
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Roboute Guilliman and Yvraine do everything they can to help their son Aegidius despite having to juggle the complex realities of running Imperium Secundus.

Rogal and Signy Dorn supported their son, Friedrich, and did everything in their power to ensure that he would able to live despite facing a congenital disease that left him disabled when he was a toddler. Signy also provides wise counsel to Friedrich and still pampers him even after he became a Space Marine while Rogal encourages and mentors him as a Space Marine.

Vulkan and Kai are loving parents who did everything they could to help their last son, Janan, who was born with severe handicaps due to mutations, giving him a chance to live before letting him [[spoiler: entomb himself in a custom dreadnought that he built.]]

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Roboute **Roboute Guilliman and Yvraine do everything they can to help their son Aegidius despite having to juggle the complex realities of running Imperium Secundus.

Rogal **Rogal and Signy Dorn supported their son, Friedrich, and did everything in their power to ensure that he would able to live despite facing a congenital disease that left him disabled when he was a toddler. Signy also provides wise counsel to Friedrich and still pampers him even after he became a Space Marine while Rogal encourages and mentors him as a Space Marine.

Vulkan **Vulkan and Kai are loving parents who did everything they could to help their last son, Janan, who was born with severe handicaps due to mutations, giving him a chance to live before letting him [[spoiler: entomb himself in a custom dreadnought that he built.]]
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*GoodParents: Some very good examples of parenting can be seen in Messages for Dad.

Roboute Guilliman and Yvraine do everything they can to help their son Aegidius despite having to juggle the complex realities of running Imperium Secundus.

Rogal and Signy Dorn supported their son, Friedrich, and did everything in their power to ensure that he would able to live despite facing a congenital disease that left him disabled when he was a toddler. Signy also provides wise counsel to Friedrich and still pampers him even after he became a Space Marine while Rogal encourages and mentors him as a Space Marine.

Vulkan and Kai are loving parents who did everything they could to help their last son, Janan, who was born with severe handicaps due to mutations, giving him a chance to live before letting him [[spoiler: entomb himself in a custom dreadnought that he built.]]

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** [[spoiler: Mortarion, who helped Isha escape from Nurgle and became her champion, and father to her children]]

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** [[spoiler: Mortarion, who helped Isha escape from Nurgle and became her champion, and father to her children]]children]].



** In canon, it's revealed that a Perpetual named Erda was essentially the Primarch's mother; since this story was planned before that reveal, she isn't. [[spoiler: Alivia is]]. This still get's referenced when Malcador learns about [[spoiler: Alivia]] and comments that "Erda will be dissapointed." The Emperor admits he could care less what she has to say, echoing the authors' stated feelings on the matter.

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** In canon, it's revealed that a Perpetual named Erda was essentially the Primarch's mother; since this story was planned before that reveal, she isn't. [[spoiler: Alivia is]]. This still get's referenced when Malcador learns about [[spoiler: Alivia]] and comments that "Erda will be dissapointed.disappointed." The Emperor admits he could care less what she has to say, echoing the authors' stated feelings on the matter.



* RelatedInTheAdaptation: In canon, [[spoiler: Alivia was just one of the Emperor's peretual allies who remained loyal]]. In this story, [[spoiler: she's the Emperor's wife... and the Primarchs' mother]].

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* RelatedInTheAdaptation: In canon, [[spoiler: Alivia was just one of the Emperor's peretual perpetual allies who remained loyal]]. In this story, [[spoiler: she's the Emperor's wife... and the Primarchs' mother]].



* EldritchAbomination: Kain and Abel, the sons of Lorgar, failed Heirs to Chaos. Now respectively a drug addicted immortal traumatised mess and an evil, sentient, soul devouring sword.

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* EldritchAbomination: Kain and Abel, the sons of Lorgar, failed Heirs to Chaos. Now respectively a drug addicted immortal immortal, traumatised mess and an evil, sentient, soul devouring sword.



* {{Sadist}}: Rosie due to Slaaneshi corruption.

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* {{Sadist}}: Rosie Rosalina due to Slaaneshi corruption.

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* LikeFatherLikeSon: Friedrich Dorn, the future son of Rogal, is, unlike many of the Primechildren, so similar to his father in personality and outlook that it's almost creepy
* LiteralMinded: Rogal takes after his [[WebAnimation/IfTheEmperorHadATextToSpeechDevice TTS]] incarnation in this regard.
* MythologyGag: Konrad Curze is often jokingly referred to by fans as "Space Batman." Hence, his son's name is Damien.

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* LikeFatherLikeSon: Friedrich Dorn, the future son of Rogal, is, unlike many of the Primechildren, so similar to his father in personality and outlook that it's almost creepy
* LiteralMinded: Rogal takes after his [[WebAnimation/IfTheEmperorHadATextToSpeechDevice TTS]] incarnation in this regard.
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Konrad Curze is often jokingly referred to by fans as "Space Batman." Hence, his son's name is Damien.Damien.
** In canon, it's revealed that a Perpetual named Erda was essentially the Primarch's mother; since this story was planned before that reveal, she isn't. [[spoiler: Alivia is]]. This still get's referenced when Malcador learns about [[spoiler: Alivia]] and comments that "Erda will be dissapointed." The Emperor admits he could care less what she has to say, echoing the authors' stated feelings on the matter.



** Likewise, the Emperors dialogue, in both reaction and non-reaction segments, was previously depicted in ALL CAPS, representing his charismatic psychic aura. This eventually dropped, and it's in-universe a part of the Emperor's CharacterDevelopment, as he becomes more humble and more open with his sons.

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** Likewise, the Emperors Emperor's dialogue, in both reaction and non-reaction segments, was previously depicted in ALL CAPS, representing his charismatic psychic aura. This eventually dropped, and it's in-universe a part of the Emperor's CharacterDevelopment, as he becomes more humble and more open with his sons.
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See this post for why this doesn't fit the trope.


* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: As it turns out, the Emperor and all eighteen Primarchs going radio-silent for weeks on end (''with'' their Astartes legions) nearly threw the Great Crusade into chaos, with Malcador single-handedly holding it together in their absence. After that realization, the vid-viewings are limited to a few Primarchs (and sometimes the Emperor) at a time, reporting on the events depicted to the rest of the family who keep up the momentum of the Crusade.



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there's probably a more elegant way to include the ao3 link, but i think it's important to include since it's a more convinent way to read the story.


[[https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/messages-for-dad-thread-warhammer-40k.623812/ Messages For Dad]] is a DoorStopper (just shy of a million words prior to this writing, ''without'' counting Sidestories) ''Warhammer 40,000'' fanfiction. Due to its extreme length and the number of [[WhamEpisode Wham Episodes]] the tropes page will be divided into sections for the story's "acts" (two so far). Even then '''EXPECT UNMARKED SPOILERS FOR THE EARLY CHAPTERS BELOW'''

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[[https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/messages-for-dad-thread-warhammer-40k.623812/ Messages For Dad]] ([[https://archiveofourown.org/works/21518860/chapters/51293176 AO3 link]]) is a DoorStopper (just shy of a million words prior to this writing, ''without'' counting Sidestories) ''Warhammer 40,000'' fanfiction. Due to its extreme length and the number of [[WhamEpisode Wham Episodes]] the tropes page will be divided into sections for the story's "acts" (two so far). Even then '''EXPECT UNMARKED SPOILERS FOR THE EARLY CHAPTERS BELOW'''

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* TheAtoner: In the future shown, a few of the Traitor Primarchs have actually managed to return to humanity's side, coming to the aid of Roboute and the Imperium Secundus. So far, this includes:
** Konrad Curze, who faked his death after the Horus Heresy, and eventually returned to the Imperium with his sanity restored.
** [[spoiler: Mortarion, who helped Isha escape from Nurgle and became her champion, and father to her children]]
** [[spoiler: Horus, or rather, a perfect clone of Horus, memories and all, but free of Chaos taint]].
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.* FutureMeScaresMe: Did anyone think the would've-been Traitor Primarchs would be ''pleased'' to see their future selves' crimes?

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.* FutureMeScaresMe: Did anyone think the would've-been Traitor Primarchs would be ''pleased'' to see their future selves' crimes?

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* FutureMeScaresMe: Did anyone think the would've-been Traitor Primarchs would be ''pleased'' to see their future selves' crimes?

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.* FutureMeScaresMe: Did anyone think the would've-been Traitor Primarchs would be ''pleased'' to see their future selves' crimes?



* LikeFatherLikeSon: Friedrich Dorn, the future son of Rogal, is, unlike many of the Primechildren, so similar to his father in personality and outlook that it's almost creepy



* SuperPowerfulGenetics: Canon never revealed what a hypothetical biological child of a Primarch would be like. The answer provided by this story is... complicated. In short, they've inherited the super-human abilities of their fathers, but don't seem to be nearly as powerful as them. They're still well above Baseline humans, and many Astartes as well.

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* SuperPowerfulGenetics: Canon never revealed what a hypothetical biological child of a Primarch would be like. The answer provided by this story is... complicated. In short, they've the "Primechildren" inherited many of the super-human abilities of their fathers, but don't seem to be nearly as powerful as them. They're still well above Baseline humans, humans though, and many Astartes as well.
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* WildChild: [[spoiler:Lion]] tried to ''invoke'' this trope by [[spoiler: abandoning his four-year old son in the Warp-corrupted, monster infested forests of Caliban, the same way he grew up, thinking it would make him stronger]]. ''Everyone'' is horrified by this.


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* MyGreatestFailure: The Lion of the 42nd Millenium considers his, surprisingly, to be [[spoiler:the fact that his wife was DrivenToSuicide by him]]. He's bad at expressing it, as usual, but [[spoiler:admitting it is enough for him and Gabriel to at least ''start'' to reconcile]].
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*WeaponsGradeVocabulary: [[spoiler: U̷̧̟̹̩̼̽̏h̴̜͒̑̐m̸͚͍͚̺͠'̵͇̰̓̌̔̚À̵̦̱̗̉͝'̷̨̢̨̖̺́ļ̴̮̼͠d̴͚̩͗͌'̷̘͔̇̉r̸̺̲͇͠ï̵̗͙͚̈̓̌͘, language of the new pantheon of humanity and the eldar. No one living is supposed to be able to hear it, thus speaking it aloud can cause a myriad of side-effects, all unexplainable and horrifying.]]
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** Ragio: Abandoned by his parents as a child, albeit unwillingly, consumed by rage and his endless quest to murder his father for his wrong doings. Once a doctor, he has thrown away everything to pursue revenge and is hinted at suffering from Khornate corruption.

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** Ragio: Abandoned by his parents as a child, albeit unwillingly, consumed by rage and his endless quest to murder his father for his wrong doings.wrongdoings. Once a doctor, he has thrown away everything to pursue revenge and is hinted at suffering from Khornate corruption.
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* TheAlliance: Imperium Secundus and a large number of Aeldari Craftworlds have formed one to better survive the horrors of the current galaxy, solidified by the marriage between Roboute and Yvraine. Even then, it's an extremely tense relationship, with many Eldar staying less out of loyalty, and more because they've come to believe the half-Eldar Aegidius is their species' last hope for survival.

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* TheAlliance: Imperium Secundus and a large number of elements from multiple Aeldari Craftworlds have formed one to better survive the horrors of the current galaxy, solidified by the marriage between Roboute and Yvraine. Even then, it's an extremely tense relationship, with many Eldar staying less out of loyalty, and more because they've come to believe the half-Eldar Aegidius is their species' last hope for survival.
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* PaintingTheMedium:
** During the reaction-segments, the Primarchs' commentary used to be colored in their respective primary colors (Dark green for Horus, Light Blue for Konrad, White for Jaghatai, etc.) though this was dropped starting in the second act.
** Likewise, the Emperors dialogue, in both reaction and non-reaction segments, was previously depicted in ALL CAPS, representing his charismatic psychic aura. This eventually dropped, and it's in-universe a part of the Emperor's CharacterDevelopment, as he becomes more humble and more open with his sons.

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* TheAlliance: Imperium Secundus and a large number of Aeldari Craftworlds have formed one to better survive the horrors of the current galaxy, solidified by the marriage between Roboute and Yvraine. Even then, it's an extremely tense relationship, with many Eldar staying less out of loyalty, and more because they've come to believe the half-Eldar Aegidius is their species' last hope for survival.
* BadFuture: Not only are there all the horrors of the canon post-Heresy galaxy, but things have actually gotten progressively ''worse'' since Roboute awoke:
** The Emperor's physical body finally died, resulting in the total destruction of Terra. Roboute and those of his brothers who since returned saved everyone they could, but they either ran out of time to evacuate many people, or they simply refused to believe their GodEmperor was dying and stayed on the doomed world.
** Roboute has re-activated the Secundus protocol, with Ultramar as the new capitol of Imperium Secundus, and himself as the (extremely reluctant) Emperor. The Imperium has shrunk to a fraction of its former size, and humanity and the Aeldari are just barely hanging on amidst assault from every threat on every side.
** Macragge, once the one of the highest standard of living worlds in the Imperium, is now flooded with refugees and experiencing crippling supply shortages, causing the once utopic planet to develop massive crime issues as people seek to cope.
** The Astartes legions are so desperate for recruits, they'll go door to door and offer families food in exchange for their sons... most of whom never survive the conversion to Astartes.
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* Sadist: Rosie due to Slaaneshi corruption.

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* Sadist: {{Sadist}}: Rosie due to Slaaneshi corruption.

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