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** The side story "[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/24364318 Rise and Fall]]" details the reason for Lila's lying, that her constantly moving around as a kid left her perpetually lonely, and kids at the schools she went to only paid attention to or liked her when she told grandiose lies about herself, eventually resulting in Lila becoming emotionally detached due to how often she moved, and believing that people ''only'' care for the lies and would abandon her if she was caught after that happened once, resulting in her becoming the ManipulativeBitch she is whenever someone tries to expose her. All of her behavior ultimately stemmed from abandonment issues, not helped by her grandmother and father succumbing to illness as she grew up and leaving her feeling more lonely, so she'd lie and manipulate so she'd [[HatesBeingAlone never be left alone again]]. None of her backstory is meant to ''excuse'' what she's done though, just contextualize it, as none of Team Miraculous particularly like her for all she's done, even if they are willing to give her another chance if she ever bothers to change her ways, something Zoe wants to try and make happen by making Lila realize she's [[YouAreNotAlone not alone]]. This is {{play|ingWithATrope}}ed later on as, while ''still'' not a justifiable excuse for being a manipulative bitch, a ''lot'' more sympathy is given towards Lila, Chapter 85 focusing entirely on her perspective and highlighting numerous details suggesting she suffers from clinical depression and improperly handling her grief.

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** The side story "[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/24364318 Rise and Fall]]" details the reason for Lila's lying, that her constantly moving around as a kid left her perpetually lonely, and kids at the schools she went to only paid attention to or liked her when she told grandiose lies about herself, eventually resulting in Lila becoming emotionally detached due to how often she moved, and believing that people ''only'' care for the lies and would abandon her if she was caught after that happened once, resulting in her becoming the ManipulativeBitch she is whenever someone tries to expose her. All of her behavior ultimately stemmed from abandonment issues, not helped by her grandmother and father succumbing to illness as she grew up and leaving her feeling more lonely, so she'd lie and manipulate so she'd [[HatesBeingAlone never be left alone again]]. None of her backstory is meant to ''excuse'' what she's done though, just contextualize it, as none of Team Miraculous particularly like her for all she's done, even if they are willing to give her another chance if she ever bothers to change her ways, something Zoe wants to try and make happen by making Lila realize she's [[YouAreNotAlone not alone]]. This is {{play|ingWithATrope}}ed with later on as, while ''still'' not a justifiable excuse for being a manipulative bitch, a ''lot'' more sympathy is given towards Lila, Chapter 85 focusing entirely on her perspective and highlighting numerous details suggesting she suffers from clinical depression and improperly handling her grief.
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* AdaptationalKarma: In contrast to his canon counterpart [[spoiler: Su-Han is banished from Paris and teleported to an unknown location after hounding Marinette and trying to take the Miraculous from her for an entire day]].


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* AdaptationalVillainy: Very little is changed abut Su-Han's behavior, but unlike in canon, he does not become an ally to the heroes. Instead, he becomes a one-off villain, completely independent from Hawk Moth, [[spoiler: who gets banished from Paris by Ariel after]] spending an entire chapter hounding Marinette and attempting to take the Miraculous from her.


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** What Ariel does to [[spoiler: Su-Han]] shows that part of the reason Gabriel limits the damage his actions would cause, outside of his personal moral code, is that he does not want to get on the Dragon Witch's bad side. He works within the confines of magical law in order to ensure that she won't shut down his entire operation, as he has no way of countering her if she ever decided to take care of him personally.


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* PutOnABusToHell: Ariel, as the most powerful magic user in the story, can negate certain issues if someone steps out of line. [[spoiler: Su-Han is sent to an unknown location by Ariel the Dragon Witch after chasing Marinette across Paris.]] While she doesn't disclose where she sent him, it's made clear that it would be very difficult for him to get back to Paris.
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* DisabledInTheAdaptation: Lila is heavily implied to have clinical depression.
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** The side story "[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/24364318 Rise and Fall]]" details the reason for Lila's lying, that her constantly moving around as a kid left her perpetually lonely, and kids at the schools she went to only paid attention to or liked her when she told grandiose lies about herself, eventually resulting in Lila becoming emotionally detached due to how often she moved, and believing that people ''only'' care for the lies and would abandon her if she was caught after that happened once, resulting in her becoming the ManipulativeBitch she is whenever someone tries to expose her. All of her behavior ultimately stemmed from abandonment issues, not helped by her grandmother and father succumbing to illness as she grew up and leaving her feeling more lonely, so she'd lie and manipulate so she'd [[HatesBeingAlone never be left alone again]]. None of her backstory is meant to ''excuse'' what she's done though, just contextualize it, as none of Team Miraculous particularly like her for all she's done, even if they are willing to give her another chance if she ever bothers to change her ways, something Zoe wants to try and make happen by making Lila realize she's [[YouAreNotAlone not alone]].

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** The side story "[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/24364318 Rise and Fall]]" details the reason for Lila's lying, that her constantly moving around as a kid left her perpetually lonely, and kids at the schools she went to only paid attention to or liked her when she told grandiose lies about herself, eventually resulting in Lila becoming emotionally detached due to how often she moved, and believing that people ''only'' care for the lies and would abandon her if she was caught after that happened once, resulting in her becoming the ManipulativeBitch she is whenever someone tries to expose her. All of her behavior ultimately stemmed from abandonment issues, not helped by her grandmother and father succumbing to illness as she grew up and leaving her feeling more lonely, so she'd lie and manipulate so she'd [[HatesBeingAlone never be left alone again]]. None of her backstory is meant to ''excuse'' what she's done though, just contextualize it, as none of Team Miraculous particularly like her for all she's done, even if they are willing to give her another chance if she ever bothers to change her ways, something Zoe wants to try and make happen by making Lila realize she's [[YouAreNotAlone not alone]]. This is {{play|ingWithATrope}}ed later on as, while ''still'' not a justifiable excuse for being a manipulative bitch, a ''lot'' more sympathy is given towards Lila, Chapter 85 focusing entirely on her perspective and highlighting numerous details suggesting she suffers from clinical depression and improperly handling her grief.
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** When Sabrina asks why doesn't Alix use her powers to either find out Hawkmoth's identity or even prevent him from coming to power, Alix answers that trying to change history would just make AlternateTimelines, while they'll be stuck dealing with their current one. She also points out that trying to find out who Hawkmoth is too early could lead to them being underprepared for the final fight.

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** When Sabrina asks why doesn't Alix use her powers to either find out Hawkmoth's identity or even prevent him from coming to power, Alix answers that trying to change history would just make AlternateTimelines, {{Alternate Timeline}}s, while they'll be stuck dealing with their current one. She also points out that trying to find out who Hawkmoth is too early could lead to them being underprepared for the final fight.
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** Lê Chiên called himself King Monkey, but calls himself Roi Singe here.

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** Lê Chiên called himself King Monkey, Monkey in canon, but calls himself Roi Singe here.
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* AdaptationalNiceGuy: While Gabriel is still acting as Hawkmoth and corrupting people into Akuma, he ''doesn't'' want anyone killed by his actions, with a lot of his threats towards Team Miraculous he admits to being scare tactics in the hopes they'll give up their Miraculous to him. All he wants is his wife back so they, Nathalie, and Adrien can be together. [[spoiler:So when he ends up manhandling Alya after she punched him in the face and is called out by Nooroo for doing so, he realizes it was a MomentOfWeakness and he is at risk of JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, and tries to take a step back from being Hawkmoth for the Winter Gala so as to recenter himself.]] Outside of that, while he has his failings as a parent, he ''does'' genuinely love Adrian and refuses to directly hurt him, and WordOfGod is that, were he to learn Adrian was Chat Noir, he'd be ''crushed'' over how many times he nearly hurt his son.

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* AdaptationalNiceGuy: While Gabriel is still acting as Hawkmoth and corrupting people into Akuma, he ''doesn't'' want anyone killed by his actions, with a lot of his threats towards Team Miraculous he admits to being scare tactics in the hopes they'll give up their Miraculous to him. All he wants is his wife back so they, Nathalie, and Adrien can be together. [[spoiler:So when he ends up manhandling Alya after she punched him in the face and is called out by Nooroo for doing so, he realizes it was a MomentOfWeakness and he is at risk of JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, and tries to take a step back from being Hawkmoth for the Winter Gala so as to recenter himself.]] Outside of that, while he has his failings as a parent, he ''does'' genuinely love Adrian Adrien and refuses to directly hurt him, and WordOfGod is that, were he to learn Adrian Adrien was Chat Noir, he'd be ''crushed'' over how many times he nearly hurt his son.
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** A {{downplayed|Trope}} case regarding Kim, Max, and Ondine. While Kim is bisexual and dating both Max and Ondine, Max and Ondine aren't dating each other due to Max being gay.
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* RealityWarper: {{Discussed|Trope}} when everyone is subjected to BecomingTheCostume. As everyone gained the powers of their costumes, Marinette realized she and Max would likely gain the ability to alter reality as they saw fit due to being dressed as [[VideoGame/DokiDokiLiteratureClub Monika]] and [[Film/TheMatrix Neo]] respectively. Fearing what could happen if they tried to though, Marinette opted not to use her new powers in favor of just using GoodOldFisticuffs, and hoped Max wouldn't use more than Neo's ability to fly.
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* FandomRivalry: [[invoked]] An InUniverse case in "To Con a Con". While Max and Kim are undercover at the panel for the new movie about Team Miraculous, Kim's outbursts at the director end up setting off a toxic fan battle since he's dressed up as Lance from ''WesternAnimation/VoltronLegendaryDefender'', devolving into a fight between fans of ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'', the "''Series/{{Super|natural}}[[Series/DoctorWho who]][[Series/{{Sherlock}} lock]]''" AlternateUniverse, and numerous other unspecified fanbases.


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* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: A ''lot'' of the complaints directed at the InUniverse Miraculous Movie from fans in "To Con a Con" are ''actual'' complaints fans of the actual series had during Season 4 and on, particularly Chloe's {{flanderization}} into a Villain, Gabriel's loss of his sympathetic traits, Adrien's NominalImportance and overall OutOfFocus treatment, and [[spoiler:the reveal Adrien was a Sentimonster]].
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* AdaptationalNiceGuy: While Gabriel is still acting as Hawkmoth and corrupting people into Akuma, he ''doesn't'' want anyone killed by his actions, with a lot of his threats towards Team Miraculous he admits to being scare tactics in the hopes they'll give up their Miraculous to him. All he wants is his wife back so they and Nathalie can be together. [[spoiler:So when he ends up manhandling Alya after she punched him in the face and is called out by Nooroo for doing so, he realizes it was a MomentOfWeakness and he is at risk of JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, and tries to take a step back from being Hawkmoth for the Winter Gala so as to recenter himself.]]

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* AdaptationalNiceGuy: While Gabriel is still acting as Hawkmoth and corrupting people into Akuma, he ''doesn't'' want anyone killed by his actions, with a lot of his threats towards Team Miraculous he admits to being scare tactics in the hopes they'll give up their Miraculous to him. All he wants is his wife back so they they, Nathalie, and Nathalie Adrien can be together. [[spoiler:So when he ends up manhandling Alya after she punched him in the face and is called out by Nooroo for doing so, he realizes it was a MomentOfWeakness and he is at risk of JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, and tries to take a step back from being Hawkmoth for the Winter Gala so as to recenter himself.]]]] Outside of that, while he has his failings as a parent, he ''does'' genuinely love Adrian and refuses to directly hurt him, and WordOfGod is that, were he to learn Adrian was Chat Noir, he'd be ''crushed'' over how many times he nearly hurt his son.
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* AdaptationalNiceGuy: While Gabriel is still acting as Hawkmoth and corrupting people into Akuma, he ''doesn't'' want anyone killed by his actions, with a lot of his threats towards Team Miraculous he admits to being scare tactics in the hopes they'll give up their Miraculous to him. All he wants is his wife back so they and Nathalie can be together. [[spoiler:So when he ends up manhandling Alya after she punched him in the face and is called out by Nooroo for doing so, he realizes it was a MomentOfWeakness and he is at risk of JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, and tries to take a step back from being Hawkmoth for the Winter Gala so as to recenter himself.]]


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** Rather than the Peacock Miraculous, [[spoiler:Felix]] is in possession of a necklace ''similar'' to a Miraculous but not actually one, allowing them to become "Lord Winter" and act as AnIcePerson.

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* AdaptationalBackstoryChange: Compared to canon revealing virtually ''everything'' about Lila Rossi is possibly a lie, down to that not even being her real ''name'', Lila here has a backstory a lot closer to her initial identity: daughter of an Italian Ambassador and a massive liar, manipulator, and AttentionWhore, albeit with the reasoning for her lies stemming from wanting others to like her and believing people only cared for the lies rather than the real her, and would betray her once they learned the truth.



* FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse: Chloé pulls this on herself; while her [[AbusiveParents abusive mother]] and [[PushoverParents overly permissive father]] were ''why'' she turned into such an AlphaBitch, that's also why her teammates need to not hesitate to call her out when she behaves badly, as otherwise she won't learn better.

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Chloé pulls this on herself; while her [[AbusiveParents abusive mother]] and [[PushoverParents overly permissive father]] were ''why'' she turned into such an AlphaBitch, that's also why her teammates need to not hesitate to call her out when she behaves badly, as otherwise she won't learn better.better.
** The side story "[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/24364318 Rise and Fall]]" details the reason for Lila's lying, that her constantly moving around as a kid left her perpetually lonely, and kids at the schools she went to only paid attention to or liked her when she told grandiose lies about herself, eventually resulting in Lila becoming emotionally detached due to how often she moved, and believing that people ''only'' care for the lies and would abandon her if she was caught after that happened once, resulting in her becoming the ManipulativeBitch she is whenever someone tries to expose her. All of her behavior ultimately stemmed from abandonment issues, not helped by her grandmother and father succumbing to illness as she grew up and leaving her feeling more lonely, so she'd lie and manipulate so she'd [[HatesBeingAlone never be left alone again]]. None of her backstory is meant to ''excuse'' what she's done though, just contextualize it, as none of Team Miraculous particularly like her for all she's done, even if they are willing to give her another chance if she ever bothers to change her ways, something Zoe wants to try and make happen by making Lila realize she's [[YouAreNotAlone not alone]].

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