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** Dorne is usually well-known for its independence and the Vale for its honor and chivalry. [[spoiler: However, the former joined the North against the Lannisters and married into the alliance due to Robb's killing of the Mountain while the latter was forced to stay neutral thanks to Lysa, condemning her to her bannermen]].
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** Dorne is usually well-known for its independence and the Vale for its honor and chivalry. [[spoiler: However, the former joined the North against the Lannisters and married into the alliance due to Robb's killing of the Mountain while the latter was forced to stay neutral thanks to Lysa, condemning her to her bannermen]].bannermen]].
* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Ramsay is still the ruthless killer that he is in canon, but they're usually directed towards acceptable targets and his loyalty to Theon is undeniable, bordering on HeroWorship.
* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Ramsay is still the ruthless killer that he is in canon, but they're usually directed towards acceptable targets and his loyalty to Theon is undeniable, bordering on HeroWorship.
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* MoralityChain: Befriending Theon is the ''only'' reason why Ramsay Bolton isn't the HateSink that he is in canon. Not only does Theon not stop his desire to invent new weapons for the North, he also allows him to act upon his desire to kill on socially acceptable targets and only reining him in if necessary.
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* UndyingLoyalty: Say whatever you want about Ramsay Bolton, but you can't deny just how much he has Theon's back. It also helps that Theon doesn't try to constantly rein him in but instead direct him towards targets that are acceptable.
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** Due Ramsay becoming hopelessly fascinated with Theon's weaponry, he emulates Theon's inventiveness to be a better killer. He also finds socially acceptable targets for his experimental weapons in ferocious bandits. His blood thirsty nature being utilized in the North's war efforts whether it be threatening Joffery or terrorizing enemy soldiers.
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** Due to Ramsay becoming hopelessly fascinated with Theon's weaponry, he emulates Theon's inventiveness to be a better killer. He also finds socially acceptable targets for his experimental weapons in ferocious bandits. His bandits, his blood thirsty nature being utilized in the North's war efforts whether it be threatening Joffery or terrorizing enemy soldiers.
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* AdaptationRelationshipOverhaul:
** The most obvious example is Theon's relationship with the Starks. Since Theon is more loyal to the North and has helped it improve in every shape and form, he's more welcome amongst them instead of being a hostage. His relationship with Robb is the most prominent as it's drastically better than canon as they lightheartedly make fun of each other but still have one another's back.
** The Boltons and Freys have no animosity with the North especially since they play no part in [[spoiler: the Steel Wedding]]. If anything, the former is more loyal to the North since they're both respected ''and'' feared in equal measure, with Ramsay developing an OddFriendship with Theon.
** The most obvious example is Theon's relationship with the Starks. Since Theon is more loyal to the North and has helped it improve in every shape and form, he's more welcome amongst them instead of being a hostage. His relationship with Robb is the most prominent as it's drastically better than canon as they lightheartedly make fun of each other but still have one another's back.
** The Boltons and Freys have no animosity with the North especially since they play no part in [[spoiler: the Steel Wedding]]. If anything, the former is more loyal to the North since they're both respected ''and'' feared in equal measure, with Ramsay developing an OddFriendship with Theon.
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** Dorne is usually well-known for its independence and the Vale for its honor and chivalry. [[spoiler: However, the former joined the North against the Lannisters and married into the alliance due to Robb's killing of the Mountain while the latter was forced to stay neutral thanks to Lysa, condemning her to her bannermen]].
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** Unlike in canon, the Freys and the Boltons [[spoiler: play no part in the assassination attempt during Robb's wedding as the former are framed by Baelish and Theon's gotten on Walter Frey's good side thanks to the introduction of medicine and the latter are completely loyal to the North no thanks to their house actually prospering under the stronger North]].
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** Unlike in canon, the Freys and the Boltons [[spoiler: play no part in the assassination attempt during Robb's wedding as the former are framed by Baelish and Theon's gotten on Walter Frey's good side thanks to the introduction of medicine and the latter are completely loyal to the North no thanks to their house actually prospering under the stronger North]].prospering]].
* OddFriendship: When you're able to befriend ''Ramsay Bolton'', it inevitably boils down to this. Ramsay looks up to Theon and seeks to invent better ways to kill and while Theon is understandably disturbed by his habits, he grew used to them and encouraged him to direct his penchant for killing towards his enemies. Eventually, their friendship developed to the point where whenever Theon tells Ramsay to exercise restraint, he gets a little pouty but still listens nonetheless.
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** Roose Bolton, unlike in canon, [[spoiler: plays ''no'' part in the assassination during Robb's wedding and is wholly on the side of the Starks]]. Thanks to the North actually prospering due to numerous inventions, his children actually in positions of power where they're not only feared but also respected and he himself also receiving an immensely huge reputation boost by being a loyal vassal of the Starks, he'd loose more by turning against them. It also helps that his bastard son Ramsay also likes Theon, and attacking the Starks will not only cause Theon to not give them any of the stuff he invents, but Ramsay will understandably not be happy to come to blows with someone whom he looks up to.
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** Roose Bolton, unlike in canon, [[spoiler: plays ''no'' part in the assassination during Robb's wedding and is wholly on the side of the Starks]]. Thanks to the North actually prospering due to numerous inventions, his children actually in positions of power where they're not only feared but also respected and he himself also receiving an immensely huge reputation boost by being a loyal vassal of the Starks, he'd loose lose more by turning against them. It also helps that his bastard son Ramsay also likes Theon, and attacking the Starks will not only cause Theon to not give them any of the stuff he invents, but Ramsay will understandably not be happy to come to blows with someone whom he looks up to.
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** Unlike in canon, the Freys and the Boltons [[spoiler: play no part in the assassination attempt during Robb's wedding as Walter Frey was also targeted by the assassins hired by the Lannisters (it also helps that Theon inventing medicine has made him a little more spry albeit still stuck in in a chair) and the latter are completely loyal to the North no thanks to Ramsay looking up to Theon]].
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** Unlike in canon, the Freys and the Boltons [[spoiler: play no part in the assassination attempt during Robb's wedding as the former are framed by Baelish and Theon's gotten on Walter Frey was also targeted by Frey's good side thanks to the assassins hired by the Lannisters (it also helps that Theon inventing introduction of medicine has made him a little more spry albeit still stuck in in a chair) and the latter are completely loyal to the North no thanks to Ramsay looking up to Theon]].their house actually prospering under the stronger North]].
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* PragmaticVillainy: Tywin [[spoiler:sells Northern prisoners into slavery to get enough money to buy Unsullied soldiers.]] Of course, as Tyrion and Kevan point out, this will all but ensure [[spoiler:the North won't stop until they have rescued the enslaved Northmen and killed Tywin very, very dead.]]
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* PragmaticVillainy: PragmaticVillainy:
** Tywin [[spoiler:sells Northern prisoners into slavery to get enough money to buy Unsullied soldiers.]] Of course, as Tyrion and Kevan point out, this will all but ensure [[spoiler:the North won't stop until they have rescued the enslaved Northmen and killed Tywin very, very dead.]]]]
** Roose Bolton, unlike in canon, [[spoiler: plays ''no'' part in the assassination during Robb's wedding and is wholly on the side of the Starks]]. Thanks to the North actually prospering due to numerous inventions, his children actually in positions of power where they're not only feared but also respected and he himself also receiving an immensely huge reputation boost by being a loyal vassal of the Starks, he'd loose more by turning against them. It also helps that his bastard son Ramsay also likes Theon, and attacking the Starks will not only cause Theon to not give them any of the stuff he invents, but Ramsay will understandably not be happy to come to blows with someone whom he looks up to.
** Tywin [[spoiler:sells Northern prisoners into slavery to get enough money to buy Unsullied soldiers.]] Of course, as Tyrion and Kevan point out, this will all but ensure [[spoiler:the North won't stop until they have rescued the enslaved Northmen and killed Tywin very, very dead.
** Roose Bolton, unlike in canon, [[spoiler: plays ''no'' part in the assassination during Robb's wedding and is wholly on the side of the Starks]]. Thanks to the North actually prospering due to numerous inventions, his children actually in positions of power where they're not only feared but also respected and he himself also receiving an immensely huge reputation boost by being a loyal vassal of the Starks, he'd loose more by turning against them. It also helps that his bastard son Ramsay also likes Theon, and attacking the Starks will not only cause Theon to not give them any of the stuff he invents, but Ramsay will understandably not be happy to come to blows with someone whom he looks up to.
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* VillainRespect: ''Everyone'' agrees about Theon's sheer brilliance. Even Littlefinger cannot help but admire how far the Boomsquid went, from a disposable hostage to one of the most influent men in Westeros.
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* VillainRespect: VillainRespect:
** ''Everyone'' agrees about Theon's sheer brilliance. Even Littlefinger cannot help but admire how far the Boomsquid went, from a disposable hostage to one of the most influent men inWesteros.Westeros.
** Roose Bolton respects the Starks as a whole, acknowledging that they're actually worthy of ruling the North. It's pretty telling that he has ''no'' inclinations of betrayal during [[spoiler: Robb's wedding with Margaery]].
** ''Everyone'' agrees about Theon's sheer brilliance. Even Littlefinger cannot help but admire how far the Boomsquid went, from a disposable hostage to one of the most influent men in
** Roose Bolton respects the Starks as a whole, acknowledging that they're actually worthy of ruling the North. It's pretty telling that he has ''no'' inclinations of betrayal during [[spoiler: Robb's wedding with Margaery]].
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** Unlike in canon, the Freys and the Boltons [[spoiler: play no part in the assassination attempt during Robb's wedding as Walter Frey was also targeted by the assassins hired by the Lannisters (it also helps that Theon inventing medicine has made him a little more spry albeit still stuck in in a chair) and the latter are completely loyal to the North no thanks to Ramsay looking up to Theon]].
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It's sequel Greyjoy allegro is [[https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/asoiaf-greyjoy-allegro-si.738322/#post-56260702 here]].
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-->'''SI!Theon:''' You're no king, no warrior, no noble. You just can't stand that the rest of the world is leaving you and your shitty society behind! 'We do not sow'-It sums it up perfectly! You build nothing, you create nothing, you inspire nothing. You are nothing, Balon Greyjoy! Especially not my father!"\\
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-->'''SI!Theon:''' You're no king, no warrior, no noble. You just can't stand that the rest of the world is leaving you and your shitty society behind! 'We do not sow'-It sums it up perfectly! You build nothing, you create nothing, you inspire nothing. You are nothing, Balon Greyjoy! Especially not my father!"\\
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* ComicallyMissingThePoint: When Joffrey demands Sansa speak about the disturbing photos and letters Ramsay Snow has been sending him, Sansa replies that his photographic ability has been getting better.
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** When Joffrey demands Sansa speak about the disturbing photos and letters Ramsay Snow has been sending him, Sansa replies that his photographic ability has been gettingbetter.better.
** Theon's BeleagueredAssistant Dan Greenstone is so up to his ears dealing with all of his boss's work back in Winterfell that when the local brothel offers their services to him for free due to his inspiring work ethic, he completely blows them off... [[ExplainExplainOhCrap until his sudden realization a moment later]].
---> '''Proprietor Marion Hill:''' We're happy to ''screw you! For free!''\\
'''Dan:''' So is the head of the Mechanics Guild, and I'm not falling for that again!\\
'''Marion:''' I ''meant literally!''\\
'''Dan:''' [[SustainedMisunderstanding So did they!]] Now, if you'll excuse me...?\\
''[Marion leaves in a huff]''\\
'''Dan:''' ''How in the hell'' am I supposed to get a damn thing done here if incredibly hot women are trying to get me to come down to their...\\
''[Sudden realization; Dan runs out of his office and shouts to his secretary]'' \\
'''Dan:''' Taking the rest of the day off! Be back tomorrow! Reschedule everything!
** When Joffrey demands Sansa speak about the disturbing photos and letters Ramsay Snow has been sending him, Sansa replies that his photographic ability has been getting
** Theon's BeleagueredAssistant Dan Greenstone is so up to his ears dealing with all of his boss's work back in Winterfell that when the local brothel offers their services to him for free due to his inspiring work ethic, he completely blows them off... [[ExplainExplainOhCrap until his sudden realization a moment later]].
---> '''Proprietor Marion Hill:''' We're happy to ''screw you! For free!''\\
'''Dan:''' So is the head of the Mechanics Guild, and I'm not falling for that again!\\
'''Marion:''' I ''meant literally!''\\
'''Dan:''' [[SustainedMisunderstanding So did they!]] Now, if you'll excuse me...?\\
''[Marion leaves in a huff]''\\
'''Dan:''' ''How in the hell'' am I supposed to get a damn thing done here if incredibly hot women are trying to get me to come down to their...\\
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'''Dan:''' Taking the rest of the day off! Be back tomorrow! Reschedule everything!
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* DualWielding: Ramsay fires two shotguns at the same time [[spoiler:during the Steel Wedding]].
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* GunsAkimbo: Robb Stark.
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** RobbStark.Stark qualifies with his twin pistols, "White Wind" and "Black Wind".
** Ramsay fires two shotguns at the same time [[spoiler:during the Steel Wedding]].
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** Ramsay fires two shotguns at the same time [[spoiler:during the Steel Wedding]].
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* HypercompetentSidekick: Theon has two: Amarda Honn, his RightHandHottie that accompanies him to war, and Dan Greenwood, the BeleagueredAssistant that remains behind in Winterfell - and who gets stuck with some of the worst parts of the job [[spoiler:although he gets a small boon when the Winterfell prostitutes offer their services free of charge]].
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* HypercompetentSidekick: Theon has two: Amarda Honn, his RightHandHottie that accompanies him to war, and Dan Greenwood, Greenstone, the BeleagueredAssistant that remains behind in Winterfell - and who gets stuck with some of the worst parts of the job [[spoiler:although he gets a small boon when the Winterfell prostitutes offer their services free of charge]].
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* RecklessGunUsage: [[spoiler:At the climax of the Battle of the Crossroads, Joffrey tries to shoot Robb with Eddard's pilfered revolver Blizzard, but since he hadn't been cleaning the revolver since he stole it, the powder buildup causes a backblast that burns his hands. Also, he was so panicked and shaky that he missed anyway.]]
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* CoolGun: "Blizzard", a revolver Theon makes for Eddard Stark. [[spoiler:Which Joffrey uses to murder several people, including Ros.]]
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* ShipTease:
** Between Theon Greyjoy and Amarda, [[OneTrueThreesome sometimes including Princess Arianne Martell ]] ;
** Between Lancel Lannister and Thalisa Maegyr;
** implied between Edmure Tully and Sand Snake Obara Sand.
** Between Theon Greyjoy and Amarda, [[OneTrueThreesome sometimes including Princess Arianne Martell ]] ;
** Between Lancel Lannister and Thalisa Maegyr;
** implied between Edmure Tully and Sand Snake Obara Sand.
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** Lannister troops when they encounter Ramsay ''Crimson Fucker'' Bolton.
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** Lannister troops when they encounter [[ThePowerOfRock Ramsay ''Crimson ''The Crimson Fucker'' Bolton.Bolton. ]]
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* OhCrap: Margaery when she learns Robb has named her Regent of the North while Robb remains absent. She manages to keep it out of her face, but internally she is terrified.
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** Lannister troops when they encounter Ramsay ''Crimson Fucker'' Bolton.
** Margaery when she learns Robb has named her Regent of the North while Robb remains absent. She manages to keep it out of her face, but internally she is terrified.
** Lannister troops when they encounter Ramsay ''Crimson Fucker'' Bolton.
** Margaery when she learns Robb has named her Regent of the North while Robb remains absent. She manages to keep it out of her face, but internally she is terrified.
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** Princess Arianne Martell to her father Doran over his unwillingness to join [[TheAce King Robb Stark’s ]] Faction in war against [[TheCaligula King Joffrey Lannister ]] and [[PragmaticEvil his grandfather Tywin. ]]
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* HeroicComedicSociopath: Theon turns ''Ramsay Bolton'' into one by directing him at AcceptableTargets. Among other things, he loves to send [[AssholeVictim Joffrey]] letters where he explains in full detail how he is going to kill him, and very disturbing photos. By the time they take Kings' Landing, Ramsay is known throughout Westeros as "[[WebVideo/HellsingUltimateAbridged The Crimson Fucker]]" and is in full-blown HoYay for Theon.
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* HeroicComedicSociopath: Theon turns ''Ramsay Bolton'' into one by directing him at AcceptableTargets.socially acceptable targets. Among other things, he loves to send [[AssholeVictim Joffrey]] letters where he explains in full detail how he is going to kill him, and very disturbing photos. By the time they take Kings' Landing, Ramsay is known throughout Westeros as "[[WebVideo/HellsingUltimateAbridged The Crimson Fucker]]" and is in full-blown HoYay for Theon.
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* GatlingGood: The [[AddedAlliterativeAppeal Bolton Bolters]].
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* GatlingGood: The [[AddedAlliterativeAppeal [[AlliterativeName Bolton Bolters]].
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* EntertaininglyWrong: When Littlefinger considers [[spoiler:Tywin's death]], he thinks it was planned by [[spoiler:Varys and Tyrion]], who are trying to have him framed for [[spoiler:the murder by using Littlefinger's knife]]. He follows a logical mental path that reaches that conclusion, and could be right... if it were not because it was [[spoiler:Arya]] that did the deed [[spoiler:after [[PercussivePickpocket she stole his dagger]], and who he dismissed out of hand because she was just a cupbearer and was vouched for by Sandor Clegane.]]
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* EntertaininglyWrong: When Littlefinger considers [[spoiler:Tywin's death]], he thinks it was planned by [[spoiler:Varys and Tyrion]], who are trying to have him framed for [[spoiler:the murder by using Littlefinger's knife]]. He follows a logical mental path that reaches that conclusion, and could be right... if it were not because it was [[spoiler:Arya]] that did the deed [[spoiler:after [[PercussivePickpocket she stole his dagger]], and who whom he dismissed out of hand because she was just a cupbearer and was vouched for by Sandor Clegane.]]
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* ParanoiaGambit: To prevent Littlefinger from absconding with Sansa and attempt to play the "hero" in the eyes of Catelyn Stark for "rescuing" her daughter, Varys points out to Cersei that Robb ''might'' send people to get Sansa out. Cersei promptly places Sansa in the Royal Apartments and fires all of her handmaidens save for Shae and Tywin's cupbearer (Arya).
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* ParanoiaGambit: To prevent Littlefinger from absconding with Sansa and attempt attempting to play the "hero" in the eyes of Catelyn Stark for "rescuing" her daughter, Varys points out to Cersei that Robb ''might'' send people to get Sansa out. Cersei promptly places Sansa in the Royal Apartments and fires all of her handmaidens save for Shae and Tywin's cupbearer (Arya).
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* RunningGag: people lightly mocking Theon over Ramsay's [[HoYay attraction]] toward him.
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* FirearmsAreCowardly: Subverted. A Self-Insert in the body of Theon Greyjoy introduces modern technology to Westeros. Among those technological advancements are firearms. Balon Greyjoy scornfully dismisses them as "coward's weapons". Of course, Theon points out that Balon wants those "coward's weapons" to give his Ironborn an advantage against the Northern navy.
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** Brynden Tully finds darkly amusing that so many players - Joffrey, Stannis, Renly, Littlefinger - so desesperately coveted the Iron Throne only to be denied it, while his nephew Robb very much ''rejects'' the possibility of becoming King of the Seven Kingdoms yet circumstances seem to conspire to give him the position.
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** Brynden Tully finds darkly amusing that so many players - Joffrey, Stannis, Renly, Littlefinger - so desesperately desperately coveted the Iron Throne only to be denied it, while his nephew Robb very much ''rejects'' the possibility of becoming King of the Seven Kingdoms yet circumstances seem to conspire to give him the position.