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** On the inverse, Eobard Thawne and the other Reverse-Flashes are sociopaths who want to cause ''more'' harm than is needed, so they often avoid ''actually'' killing people when they could instead break them. This means they often beat the Flash senseless, but then try to pull a ForcedToWatch by attacking their loved ones or stop to gloat and rub their victory in their face, and these often give the Flash time to get their HeroicSecondWind and escape. Even when attacking their non-speedster loved ones, they like to draw out the kill and underestimate how resourceful how BadassNormal Iris, Linda, or Piper can be.
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** On the inverse, Eobard Thawne and the other Reverse-Flashes are sociopaths who want to cause ''more'' harm than is needed, so they often avoid ''actually'' killing people when they could instead break them. This means they often beat the Flash senseless, but then try to pull a ForcedToWatch by attacking their loved ones or stop to gloat and rub their victory in their face, and these often give the Flash time to get their HeroicSecondWind and escape. Even when attacking their non-speedster loved ones, they like to draw out the kill and underestimate how resourceful or how BadassNormal Iris, Linda, or Piper can be.
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In ''Franchise/TheFlash'', the Speed Force is a StoryBreakerPower, so these have to exist to provide the speedsters challenge.
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In ''Franchise/TheFlash'', the Speed Force is a StoryBreakerPower, so these have to exist to provide the speedsters challenge.challenge in the [[ComicBook/TheFlash comics]].
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** With Wally West, unlike the previous Flashes, he's ''not'' a genius scientist, so he doesn't know the complex scientific ways to implement his power that Jay and Barry could pull off, meaning he's often thinking on his feet and improvising rather than being able to come up with a quick science trick. Its also shown that Wally suffers from [[AmbiguousDisorder some form of depression disorder]], and when he's in a funk, he's more likely to make mistakes or be distracted, and his powers appear less effective. Its clear that there's a psychosomatic aspect of the Speed Force, so when Wally was suffering from an inferiority complex after Barry's sacrifice, his speed dropped to below the speed of sound. Even after coming to terms with it and becoming the Fastest Man Who Ever Lived, he's still vulnerable to his speed dropping thanks to his mental state.
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** With Wally West, unlike the previous Flashes, he's ''not'' a genius scientist, so he doesn't know the complex scientific ways to implement his power that Jay and Barry could pull off, meaning he's often thinking on his feet and improvising rather than being able to come up with a quick science trick. Its also shown that Wally suffers from [[AmbiguousDisorder some form of depression disorder]], disorder, and when he's in a funk, he's more likely to make mistakes or be distracted, and his powers appear less effective. Its clear that there's a psychosomatic aspect of the Speed Force, so when Wally was suffering from an inferiority complex after Barry's sacrifice, his speed dropped to below the speed of sound. Even after coming to terms with it and becoming the Fastest Man Who Ever Lived, he's still vulnerable to his speed dropping thanks to his mental state.
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* Good speedsters like The Flash are morally upright individuals. As such, they're reluctant to use their powers in ways that could seriously harm their enemies, and generally pull their punches. This means they don't always use the appropriate level of force against an enemy if they don't know what's needed; its quite often shown that when they fight someone new, or an enemy who's since TookALevelInBadass since their last fight, they get their asses handed to them because they weren't pushing themselves.
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* Good speedsters like The the Flash are morally upright individuals. As such, they're reluctant to use their powers in ways that could seriously harm their enemies, and generally pull their punches. This means they don't always use the appropriate level of force against an enemy if they don't know what's needed; its quite often shown that when they fight someone new, or an enemy who's since TookALevelInBadass since their last fight, they get their asses handed to them because they weren't pushing themselves.
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** With Wally West, unlike the previous Flashes, he's ''not'' a genius scientist, so he doesn't know the complex scientific ways to implement super speed that Jay and Barry could pull off, meaning he's often thinking on his feet and improvising rather than being able to come up with a quick science trick. Its also shown that Wally suffers from [[AmbiguousDisorder some form of depression disorder]], and when he's in a funk, he's more likely to make mistakes or be distracted, and his powers appear less effective. Its clear that there's a psychosomatic aspect of the Speed Force, so when Wally was suffering from an inferiority complex after Barry's sacrifice, his speed dropped to below the speed of sound. Even after coming to terms with it and becoming the Fastest Man Who Ever Lived, he's still vulnerable to his speed dropping thanks to his mental state.
** On the inverse, Barry is far more methodical in his thinking. While he's still got SuperReflexes, he's sometimes slow to act because he's busy working out the most practical and scientific use for his speed. As well as that, because he's a rationalist who can't bring himself to see the Speed Force as anything outside a scientific anomaly, he's far more limited in what he can do with it, only able to use it for pure SuperSpeed and any tricks more complex than that are just creative scientific applications of it. This also means he's the slowest of the Flashes (DependingOnTheWriter, as it goes back and fourth if him or Jay were faster), and has the least range of creative uses for it.
** Jay Garrick is the most well-balanced, being creative, open-minded, and a genius scientist, but he's also pushing 90 and his body has began to weaken. He's got the same level of SuperSpeed as Barry, but he's not got his or Wally's stamina and when he gets hurt, he takes far longer to recover; Wally is shown recovering from breaking both legs in about a week, while Jay takes months to recover from his leg being twisted by Thawne and occasionally demonstrates a weak leg after the fact.
** On the inverse, Barry is far more methodical in his thinking. While he's still got SuperReflexes, he's sometimes slow to act because he's busy working out the most practical and scientific use for his speed. As well as that, because he's a rationalist who can't bring himself to see the Speed Force as anything outside a scientific anomaly, he's far more limited in what he can do with it, only able to use it for pure SuperSpeed and any tricks more complex than that are just creative scientific applications of it. This also means he's the slowest of the Flashes (DependingOnTheWriter, as it goes back and fourth if him or Jay were faster), and has the least range of creative uses for it.
** Jay Garrick is the most well-balanced, being creative, open-minded, and a genius scientist, but he's also pushing 90 and his body has began to weaken. He's got the same level of SuperSpeed as Barry, but he's not got his or Wally's stamina and when he gets hurt, he takes far longer to recover; Wally is shown recovering from breaking both legs in about a week, while Jay takes months to recover from his leg being twisted by Thawne and occasionally demonstrates a weak leg after the fact.
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** With Wally West, unlike the previous Flashes, he's ''not'' a genius scientist, so he doesn't know the complex scientific ways to implement super speed his power that Jay and Barry could pull off, meaning he's often thinking on his feet and improvising rather than being able to come up with a quick science trick. Its also shown that Wally suffers from [[AmbiguousDisorder some form of depression disorder]], and when he's in a funk, he's more likely to make mistakes or be distracted, and his powers appear less effective. Its clear that there's a psychosomatic aspect of the Speed Force, so when Wally was suffering from an inferiority complex after Barry's sacrifice, his speed dropped to below the speed of sound. Even after coming to terms with it and becoming the Fastest Man Who Ever Lived, he's still vulnerable to his speed dropping thanks to his mental state.
** On the inverse, Barry is far more methodical in his thinking. While he's still got SuperReflexes, he's sometimes slow to act because he's busy working out the most practical and scientific use for his speed. As well as that, because he's a rationalist who can't bring himself to see the Speed Force as anything outside a scientific anomaly, he's far more limited in what he can do with it, only able to use it for pure SuperSpeed and any tricks more complex than that are just creative scientific applications of it. This also means he's the slowest of the Flashes (DependingOnTheWriter, as it goes back andfourth if him or Jay were forth on who is faster), and has the least range of creative uses for it.
** Jay Garrick is the most well-balanced, being creative, open-minded, and a genius scientist, but he's also pushing90 and his body has began to weaken. 90. He's got the same level of SuperSpeed as Barry, but he's not got he doesn't have his or Wally's stamina and when he gets hurt, he takes far longer to recover; Wally is shown recovering from breaking both legs in about a week, while Jay takes months to recover from his leg being twisted by Thawne and occasionally demonstrates a weak leg after the fact.
** On the inverse, Barry is far more methodical in his thinking. While he's still got SuperReflexes, he's sometimes slow to act because he's busy working out the most practical and scientific use for his speed. As well as that, because he's a rationalist who can't bring himself to see the Speed Force as anything outside a scientific anomaly, he's far more limited in what he can do with it, only able to use it for pure SuperSpeed and any tricks more complex than that are just creative scientific applications of it. This also means he's the slowest of the Flashes (DependingOnTheWriter, as it goes back and
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** As well as that, Jesse had an even bigger chip on her shoulder than Wally when it came to living up to legacies, as she had a WellDoneSonGuy dynamic with ''both'' her parents, so like Wally her powers were often effected by her mental state. And as she was more a student than a sidekick/partner to her dad, she had comparative less experience when she 'took over' the Quick legacy, all while jumping into fighting villains who were already prepared for how to fight speedsters. She often got her ass kicked by the Rogues who knew all the tricks a Flash could pull off, but had none of the experience of fighting a Rogue herself.
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** As well as that, Jesse had an even bigger chip on her shoulder than Wally when it came to living up to legacies, as she had a WellDoneSonGuy dynamic with ''both'' her parents, so like Wally her powers were often effected affected by her mental state. And as she was more a student than a sidekick/partner to her dad, she had comparative less experience when she 'took over' the Quick legacy, all while jumping into fighting villains who were already prepared for how to fight speedsters. She often got her ass kicked by the Rogues who knew all the tricks a Flash could pull off, but had none of the experience of fighting a Rogue herself.
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** As well as that, Jesse had an even bigger chip on her shoulder than Wally when it came to living up to legacies, as she had a WellDoneSonGuy dynamic with ''both'' her parents, so like Wally her powers were often effected by her mental state. And as she was more a student than a sidekick/partner to her dad, she had comparative less experience when she 'took over' the Quick legacy, all while jumping into fighting villains who were already prepared for how to fight speedsters. She often got her ass kicked by the Rogues who knew all the tricks a Flash could pull off, but had none of the experience of fighting a Rogue herself.
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** As well as that, Jesse had an even bigger chip on her shoulder than Wally when it came to living up to legacies, as she had a WellDoneSonGuy dynamic with ''both'' her parents, so like Wally her powers were often effected by her mental state. And as she was more a student than a sidekick/partner to her dad, she had comparative less experience when she 'took over' the Quick legacy, all while jumping into fighting villains who were already prepared for how to fight speedsters. She often got her ass kicked by the Rogues who knew all the tricks a Flash could pull off, but had none of the experience of fighting a Rogue herself.herself.
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* Firstly, [[LogicalWeakness anything that can drain energy or slow things down]], such as Captain Cold's gun, the Turtle's 'slow field', or the Negative Speed Force and Still Force, will drain the speedster of their speed.
* Secondly, while they have SuperReflexes, these only kick in when the speedster is ''actively'' using their powers (or in Wally's case, he's bored). If they're not moving, they can be caught by surprise, knocked out, tied up, distracted, or shot. Similarly, the Flash Family as a whole are rarely using their top speed in everyday usage, so while they ''could'' outrun an attack, that doesn't guarantee they'll ''succeed'' if they don't realize how fast its moving.
* Good speedsters like The Flash are morally upright individuals. As such, they're reluctant to use their powers in ways that could seriously harm their enemies, and generally pull their punches. This means they don't always use the appropriate level of force against an enemy if they don't know what's needed; its quite often shown that when they fight someone new, or an enemy who's since TookALevelInBadass since their last fight, they get their asses handed to them because they weren't pushing themselves.
** On the inverse, Eobard Thawne and the other Reverse-Flashes are sociopaths who want to cause ''more'' harm than is needed, so they often avoid ''actually'' killing people when they could instead break them. This means they often beat the Flash senseless, but then try to pull a ForcedToWatch by attacking their loved ones or stop to gloat and rub their victory in their face, and these often give the Flash time to get their HeroicSecondWind and escape. Even when attacking their non-speedster loved ones, they like to draw out the kill and underestimate how resourceful how BadassNormal Iris, Linda, or Piper can be.
* Individually, the Flash Family have a couple personal hang-ups that also keep their powers in check.
** With Wally West, unlike the previous Flashes, he's ''not'' a genius scientist, so he doesn't know the complex scientific ways to implement super speed that Jay and Barry could pull off, meaning he's often thinking on his feet and improvising rather than being able to come up with a quick science trick. Its also shown that Wally suffers from [[AmbiguousDisorder some form of depression disorder]], and when he's in a funk, he's more likely to make mistakes or be distracted, and his powers appear less effective. Its clear that there's a psychosomatic aspect of the Speed Force, so when Wally was suffering from an inferiority complex after Barry's sacrifice, his speed dropped to below the speed of sound. Even after coming to terms with it and becoming the Fastest Man Who Ever Lived, he's still vulnerable to his speed dropping thanks to his mental state.
** On the inverse, Barry is far more methodical in his thinking. While he's still got SuperReflexes, he's sometimes slow to act because he's busy working out the most practical and scientific use for his speed. As well as that, because he's a rationalist who can't bring himself to see the Speed Force as anything outside a scientific anomaly, he's far more limited in what he can do with it, only able to use it for pure SuperSpeed and any tricks more complex than that are just creative scientific applications of it. This also means he's the slowest of the Flashes (DependingOnTheWriter, as it goes back and fourth if him or Jay were faster), and has the least range of creative uses for it.
** Jay Garrick is the most well-balanced, being creative, open-minded, and a genius scientist, but he's also pushing 90 and his body has began to weaken. He's got the same level of SuperSpeed as Barry, but he's not got his or Wally's stamina and when he gets hurt, he takes far longer to recover; Wally is shown recovering from breaking both legs in about a week, while Jay takes months to recover from his leg being twisted by Thawne and occasionally demonstrates a weak leg after the fact.
** Bart, simply, has AttentionDeficitOohShiny. He's far more easily distracted and often forgets what he's doing. Getting him to focus is one of the biggest difficulties the other Flashes have.
** Johnny Quick and his daughter Jesse had to activate their Speed Force connection [[ByThePowerOfGrayskull by reciting a 'speed formula']], 3X2(9YZ)4A. While the others could run fast by just willing themselves to, they had to get it into their head, and its shown occasionally they had to ''keep'' doing it or the speed would fade. While they had some additional usages for it (they could fly, and Jesse also had similar temporary SuperStrength thanks to her mom's similarly activated Super Strength), this unique method of power usage meant they could be cut off from their speed if they're interrupted before finishing it.
** As well as that, Jesse had an even bigger chip on her shoulder than Wally when it came to living up to legacies, as she had a WellDoneSonGuy dynamic with ''both'' her parents, so like Wally her powers were often effected by her mental state. And as she was more a student than a sidekick/partner to her dad, she had comparative less experience when she 'took over' the Quick legacy, all while jumping into fighting villains who were already prepared for how to fight speedsters. She often got her ass kicked by the Rogues who knew all the tricks a Flash could pull off, but had none of the experience of fighting a Rogue herself.
The Speed Force is a StoryBreakerPower, so to enable there to even be a challenge, these exist.
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* Firstly, [[LogicalWeakness anything that can drain energy or slow things down]], such as Captain Cold's gun, the Turtle's 'slow field', or the Negative Speed Force and Still Force, will drain the speedster of their speed.
* Secondly, while they have SuperReflexes, these only kick in when the speedster is ''actively'' using their powers (or in Wally's case, he's bored). If they're not moving, they can be caught by surprise, knocked out, tied up, distracted, or shot. Similarly, the Flash Family as a whole are rarely using their top speed in everyday usage, so while they ''could'' outrun an attack, that doesn't guarantee they'll ''succeed'' if they don't realize how fast its moving.
* Good speedsters like The Flash are morally upright individuals. As such, they're reluctant to use their powers in ways that could seriously harm their enemies, and generally pull their punches. This means they don't always use the appropriate level of force against an enemy if they don't know what's needed; its quite often shown that when they fight someone new, or an enemy who's since TookALevelInBadass since their last fight, they get their asses handed to them because they weren't pushing themselves.
** On the inverse, Eobard Thawne and the other Reverse-Flashes are sociopaths who want to cause ''more'' harm than is needed, so they often avoid ''actually'' killing people when they could instead break them. This means they often beat the Flash senseless, but then try to pull a ForcedToWatch by attacking their loved ones or stop to gloat and rub their victory in their face, and these often give the Flash time to get their HeroicSecondWind and escape. Even when attacking their non-speedster loved ones, they like to draw out the kill and underestimate how resourceful how BadassNormal Iris, Linda, or Piper can be.
* Individually, the Flash Family have a couple personal hang-ups that also keep their powers in check.
** With Wally West, unlike the previous Flashes, he's ''not'' a genius scientist, so he doesn't know the complex scientific ways to implement super speed that Jay and Barry could pull off, meaning he's often thinking on his feet and improvising rather than being able to come up with a quick science trick. Its also shown that Wally suffers from [[AmbiguousDisorder some form of depression disorder]], and when he's in a funk, he's more likely to make mistakes or be distracted, and his powers appear less effective. Its clear that there's a psychosomatic aspect of the Speed Force, so when Wally was suffering from an inferiority complex after Barry's sacrifice, his speed dropped to below the speed of sound. Even after coming to terms with it and becoming the Fastest Man Who Ever Lived, he's still vulnerable to his speed dropping thanks to his mental state.
** On the inverse, Barry is far more methodical in his thinking. While he's still got SuperReflexes, he's sometimes slow to act because he's busy working out the most practical and scientific use for his speed. As well as that, because he's a rationalist who can't bring himself to see the Speed Force as anything outside a scientific anomaly, he's far more limited in what he can do with it, only able to use it for pure SuperSpeed and any tricks more complex than that are just creative scientific applications of it. This also means he's the slowest of the Flashes (DependingOnTheWriter, as it goes back and fourth if him or Jay were faster), and has the least range of creative uses for it.
** Jay Garrick is the most well-balanced, being creative, open-minded, and a genius scientist, but he's also pushing 90 and his body has began to weaken. He's got the same level of SuperSpeed as Barry, but he's not got his or Wally's stamina and when he gets hurt, he takes far longer to recover; Wally is shown recovering from breaking both legs in about a week, while Jay takes months to recover from his leg being twisted by Thawne and occasionally demonstrates a weak leg after the fact.
** Bart, simply, has AttentionDeficitOohShiny. He's far more easily distracted and often forgets what he's doing. Getting him to focus is one of the biggest difficulties the other Flashes have.
** Johnny Quick and his daughter Jesse had to activate their Speed Force connection [[ByThePowerOfGrayskull by reciting a 'speed formula']], 3X2(9YZ)4A. While the others could run fast by just willing themselves to, they had to get it into their head, and its shown occasionally they had to ''keep'' doing it or the speed would fade. While they had some additional usages for it (they could fly, and Jesse also had similar temporary SuperStrength thanks to her mom's similarly activated Super Strength), this unique method of power usage meant they could be cut off from their speed if they're interrupted before finishing it.
** As well as that, Jesse had an even bigger chip on her shoulder than Wally when it came to living up to legacies, as she had a WellDoneSonGuy dynamic with ''both'' her parents, so like Wally her powers were often effected by her mental state. And as she was more a student than a sidekick/partner to her dad, she had comparative less experience when she 'took over' the Quick legacy, all while jumping into fighting villains who were already prepared for how to fight speedsters. She often got her ass kicked by the Rogues who knew all the tricks a Flash could pull off, but had none of the experience of fighting a Rogue herself.
