History DethroningMoment / Pokemon

** @/SoWeAteThem feels your pain. I mean, Keith pretty much stated outright that he was less important than the Gem, and yet the game itself contradicts him. It just comes off as really contrived. [[{{Railroading}} Chugga chugga chugga chugga...]]

* @/{{Retloclive}}: ''VideoGame/PokemonUltraSunAndUltraMoon'' made quite a few [[AuthorsSavingThrow Author Saving Throws]] fixing up a bunch of problems that plagued the original ''{{VideoGame/Pokemon Sun And Moon}}'' games. However, the new story that shoehorns in the Necrozma plot ended up making a travesty of Lillie's revamped journey. No longer does Lillie go through CharacterDevelopment where she starts off as a timid and weak-willed character due to the abuse she received from Lusamine, and over the course of the story, Lillie would eventually develop the courage to finally stand up to her mother. Instead, Lillie starts off in ''Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon'' as the timid and weak-willed girl abused by her mother, but because Lusamine was changed to no longer be as evil as she was in the original games, Lillie's journey instead changes to wanting to save her mother from Necrozma rather than face the woman that abused her. Take away a plethora of scenes that built up Lillie's character, such as her moment with the player on Exeggutor Island, and you're left with a shallow revamp of what used to be an incredible character arc.

* @/{{Retloclive}}: ''VideoGame/PokemonUltraSunAndUltraMoon'' made quite a few [[AuthorsSavingThrow Author Saving Throws]] fixing up a bunch of problems that plagued the original ''{{VideoGame/Pokemon Sun And Moon}}'' games. However, the new story that shoehorns in the Necrozma plot ended up making a travesty of Lillie's revamped journey. No longer does Lillie go through CharacterDevelopment where she starts off as a timid and weak-willed character due to the abuse she received from Lusamine, and over the course of the story, Lillie would eventually develops the courage to finally stand up to her mother. Instead, Lillie starts off in ''Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon'' as the timid and weak-willed girl abused by her mother, but because Lusamine was changed to no longer be as evil as she was in the original games, Lillie's journey instead changes to wanting to save her mother from Necrozma rather than face the woman that abused her. Take away a plethora of scenes that built up Lillie's character, such as her moment with the player on Exeggutor Island, and you're left with a shallow revamp of what used to be an incredible character arc.

* @/{{Retloclive}}: The final ''{{VideoGame/Pokemon Sun And Moon}}'' cut-scene after completing the Pokémon League takes [[EndingFatigue way too long]]; clocking in at what could be half an hour tops depending on how long it takes for the player to battle Tapu Koko.

* @/ArgonianLorekeeper: There are various reasons why I consider ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' to be the weakest of the ''Pokémon'' games that I have played (although that is to say they’re still only mediocre at worst), not least of which is the reveal that [[spoiler:Lysandre is the leader of Team Flare]]. It’s not so much that the twist is so [[CaptainObviousReveal predictable]] that I had thought for most of the game that the real twist was going to be that he was not going to be [[spoiler:the leader of the team but instead a standalone villain]], but rather that this was revealed at all. By making [[spoiler:Lysandre the leader of a team whose motives and ideals completely contradict his own]], it opens up a gaping plot hole that has no excuse for existing other than for the sake of the series retaining one of its more tired formulas (that is, [[spoiler:having the main antagonist be the head of Team Bad Guys™]]). [[spoiler:Lysandre]] is a WellIntentionedExtremist who wants to solve the problem of overpopulation and finite resources by [[spoiler:purging the world of most of its population in order to get rid of anyone responsible for perpetuating the cycle of greed, selfishness and crime]], and yet the only people who are allowed to join him are [[spoiler:those same greedy, selfish criminals]]. Nearly any other way this could have been executed would have been vastly more interesting than what we got. An example that comes readily to mind is using [[spoiler:Team Flare]] as one of [[spoiler:Lysandre]]’s [[VillainHasAPoint arguments for how humans are making the world worse]]. [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Instead]], however, every bad thing that happens during the main story of ''X and Y'', save for any of Kalos’ historical background, can be traced back to [[spoiler:Lysandre himself]], thus painting him as a needlessly massive hypocrite and strawman. As a bonus, this particular moment, which comes after seven gyms of not much happening in terms of story, is immediately followed by a rushed climax that crams in all three battles with [[spoiler:Lysandre]], the backstory of [[spoiler:AZ and the Kalos war]] and [[spoiler:the capture of the mascot Pokémon]] before you can even begin making your way to the eighth gym. Overall, this senseless plot twist exemplifies what happens when a potentially great villain becomes the victim of clumsy writing, and highlights the potential ''X and Y'' had which ultimately was squandered.

## The only explanation I can think of for this folly is a VoodooShark. If the game [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids is for kids, then why does the game include one of, if not the most]] [[VileVillainSaccharineShow psychotic and terrifying villain in the series?]] [[MortonsFork If it's not,]] why introduce something from [[SnarkBait what is essentially an ascended Pokemon fan-fiction,]] clearly pandering to the [[FanDumb kids]] among the fanbase who know nothing, due to {{The Anime Of The Game}} repeatedly being at odds with the games where it should not be?
## It could also possibly be a DiscOneNuke, for all the wrong reasons, namely being so over-leveled that any time it stops disobeying you results in a OneHitKill. Having such a strong pokemon at the beginning of the game destroys the purpose of training a good team yourself and growing affectionate towards them, instead advocating [[TheBrute brute force of one Pokemon]] over [[TheSmartGuy tactics and clever use of all 6 party slots.]]

* Cdv4 ''VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonGatesToInfinity''. originally I had [[spoiler: Hydrygon's death]] for how out of place and abrupt it was, and the fact that one of the only good characters [[spoiler: dies]], and I considered the ending for being way too long and feeling insulting, but what sealed the deal for me was when [[spoiler: Hydrygon got brought back]]. Seriously, it also wasn't even a clever or interesting way that they [[spoiler: brought back Hydrygon, instead, someone thought it was a good idea to have him come back because he's invincible, even though he can faint in dungeons, and was directly killed on screen. It just felt lazy how they did bring him back.]]

The journey to catch all 802 Pokémon will surely run into a problem or two along the way.

* @/ArgonianLorekeeper: There are various reasons why I consider ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' to be the weakest of the ''Pokémon'' games that I have played (although that is to say they’re still only mediocre at worst), not least of which is [[spoiler:the reveal that Lysandre is the leader of Team Flare]]. It’s not so much that the ostensibly called twist is so [[CaptainObviousReveal predictable]] that I had thought for most of the game that the real twist was going to be that [[spoiler:he was not going to be the leader of the team but instead a standalone villain]], but rather that this was revealed at all. By making [[spoiler:Lysandre the leader of a team whose motives and ideals completely contradict his own]], it opens up a gaping plot hole that has no excuse for existing other than for the sake of the series retaining one of its more tired formulas (that is, [[spoiler:having the main antagonist be the head of Team Bad Guys™]]). [[spoiler:Lysandre]] is a WellIntentionedExtremist who wants to solve the problem of overpopulation and finite resources by [[spoiler:purging the world of most of its population in order to get rid of anyone responsible for perpetuating the cycle of greed, selfishness and crime]], and yet the only people who are allowed to join him are [[spoiler:those same greedy, selfish criminals]]. Nearly any other way this could have been executed would have been vastly more interesting than what we got. An example that comes readily to mind is using [[spoiler:Team Flare]] as one of [[spoiler:Lysandre]]’s [[VillainHasAPoint arguments for how humans are making the world worse]]. [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Instead]], however, every bad thing that happens during the main story of ''X and Y'', save for any of Kalos’ historical background, can be traced back to [[spoiler:Lysandre himself]], thus painting him as a needlessly massive hypocrite and strawman. As a bonus, this particular moment, which comes after seven gyms of not much happening in terms of story, is immediately followed by a rushed climax that crams in all three battles with [[spoiler:Lysandre]], the backstory of [[spoiler:AZ and the Kalos war]] and [[spoiler:the capture of the mascot Pokémon]] before you can even begin making your way to the eighth gym. Overall, this senseless plot twist exemplifies what happens when a potentially great villain becomes the victim of clumsy writing, and highlights the potential ''X and Y'' had which ultimately was squandered.

* Cdv4 [[spoiler: Hydreigon's]] death in ''VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonGatesToInfinity''. originally I had [[spoiler: Hydrygon's death]] for how out of place and abrupt it was, and the fact that one of the only good characters [[spoiler: dies]], and I considered the ending for being way too long and feeling insulting, but what sealed the deal for me was when [[spoiler: Hydrygon got brought back]]. Seriously, it also wasn't even a clever or interesting way that they [[spoiler: brought back Hydrygon, instead, someone thought it was a good idea to have him come back because he's invincible, even though he can faint in dungeons, and was directly killed on screen. It just felt lazy how they did bring him back.]]

* Cdv4 [[spoiler: Hydreigon's]] death in ''VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonGatesToInfinity''. By this point you have put up with a ton of bullshit that most people could forgive. I mean [[spoiler:Hydreigon]] was a few players' favorite character mainly due to how funny he is. So when [[spoiler: Hydreigon]] dies, it brought the whole game down. Sure, [[spoiler: he got better due to a bullshit "twist"]] but that was post-game. Also his death is very uncharacteristic for the game ([[spoiler:[[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Kyurem comes straight the hell out of nowhere]] and frezes Hydreigon before [[LiterallyShatteredLives smashing the ice]]]]).

* Retloclive: For the most part, ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'' did its job as a decent remake of the Generation III games. However, one thing that really disappointed me upon playing through the game was how it completely ignored the storyline changes that were added in ''Pokémon Emerald''. Particularly, leaving out Team Magma's new hideout. Since ''Emerald'' had the player face off against both of Hoenn's evil teams, the game swapped around the base set-up of Team Magma where instead of having their hideout off the coast of Lilycove City, they're moved to the volcano of Mt. Chimney while Team Aqua kept the Lilycove coastal base. The change made much more sense towards Hoenn's world-building since Team Magma is now waking up Groudon from inside a volcano instead of the Seafloor Cavern, which ends up looking really out-of-place since the water cavern comes off like something that would only make sense for Kyogre. How cool would it have been if ''Omega Ruby'' had Team Magma's base in the volcano while ''Alpha Sapphire'' had Team Aqua's base at the usual Lilycove coast? It just comes off feeling like wasted potential, especially since the developers didn't have any problem adding the ''Pokémon Crystal'' story changes to ''[[Videogame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Pokémon [=HeartGold=] and [=SoulSilver=]]]'' beforehand.

* Retloclive: The final ''{{VideoGame/Pokemon Sun And Moon}}'' cut-scene after completing the Pokémon League takes [[EndingFatigue way too long]]; clocking in at what could be half an hour tops depending on how long it takes for the player to battle Tapu Koko.

* @/ArgonianLorekeeper: There are various reasons why I consider ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' to be the weakest of the ''Pokémon'' games that I have played (although that is to say they’re still only mediocre at worst), not least of which is [[spoiler:the reveal that Lysandre is the leader of Team Flare]]. It’s not so much that the ostensibly called twist is so [[CaptainObviousReveal predictable]] that I had thought for most of the game that the real twist was going to be that [[spoiler:he was not going to be the leader of the team but instead a standalone villain]], but rather that this was revealed at all. By making [[spoiler:Lysandre the leader of a team whose motives and ideals completely contradict his own]], it opens up a gaping plot hole that has no excuse for existing other than for the sake of the series retaining one of its more tired formulas (that is, [[spoiler:having the main antagonist be the head of Team Bad Guys™]]). [[spoiler:Lysandre]] is a WellIntentionedExtremist who wants to solve the problem of overpopulation and finite resources by [[spoiler:purging the world of most of its population in order to get rid of anyone responsible for perpetuating the cycle of greed, selfishness and crime]], and yet the only people who are allowed to join him are [[spoiler:those same greedy, selfish criminals]]. Nearly any other way this could have been executed would have been vastly more interesting than what we got. An example that comes readily to mind is using [[spoiler:Team Flare]] as one of [[spoiler:Lysandre]]’s [[VillainHasAPoint arguments for how humans are making the world worse]]. [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Instead]], however, every bad thing that happens during the main story of ''X and Y'', save for any of Kalos’ historical background, can be traced back to [[spoiler:Lysandre himself]], thus painting him as a needlessly massive hypocrite and strawman. As a bonus, this particular moment, which comes after seven gyms of not much happening in terms of story, is immediately followed by a rushed climax that crams in all three battles with [[spoiler:Lysandre]], the backstory of [[spoiler:AZ and the Kalos war]] and [[spoiler:the capture of the mascot Pokémon]] before you can even begin making your way to the eighth gym. Overall, this senseless plot twist exemplifies what happens when a potentially great villain becomes the victim of clumsy writing, and highlights the potential ''X and Y'' had which ultimately went to waste.

* @/ArgonianLorekeeper: There are various reasons why I consider ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' to be the weakest of the ''Pokémon'' games that I have played (although that is to say they’re still only mediocre at worst), not least of which is [[spoiler:the reveal that Lysandre is the leader of Team Flare]]. It’s not so much that the ostensibly called twist is so [[CaptainObviousReveal predictable]] that I had thought for most of the game that the real twist was going to be that [[spoiler:he was not going to be the leader of the team but instead a standalone villain]], but rather that this was revealed at all. By making [[spoiler:Lysandre the leader of a team whose motives and ideals completely contradict his own]], it opens up a gaping plot hole that has no excuse for existing other than for the sake of the series retaining one of its more tired formulas (that is, [[spoiler:having the main antagonist be the head of Team Bad Guys™]]). [[spoiler:Lysandre]] is a WellIntentionedExtremist who wants to solve the problem of overpopulation and finite resources by [[spoiler:purging the world of most of its population in order to get rid of anyone responsible for perpetuating the cycle of greed, selfishness and crime]], and yet the only people who are allowed to join him are [[spoiler:those same greedy, selfish criminals]]. Nearly any other way this could have been executed would have been vastly more interesting than what we got. An example that comes readily to mind is using [[spoiler:Team Flare]] as one of [[spoiler:Lysandre]]’s [[VillainHasAPoint arguments for how humans are making the world worse]]. [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Instead]], however, every bad thing that happens during the main story of ''X and Y'', save for any of Kalos’ historical background, can be traced back to [[spoiler:Lysandre himself]], thus painting him as a needlessly massive hypocrite and strawman. As a bonus, this particular moment, which comes after seven gyms of not much happening in terms of story, is immediately followed by a rushed climax that crams in all three battles with [[spoiler:Lysandre]], the backstory of [[spoiler:AZ and the Kalos war]] and [[spoiler:the capture of the mascot Pokémon]] before you can even begin making your way to the eighth gym. Overall, this senseless plot twist exemplifies what happens when a potentially great villain becomes the victim of clumsy writing.

* Retloclive: The final ''{{VideoGame/Pokemon Sun And Moon}}'' cut-scene after completing the Pokémon League takes [[EndingFatigue way too long]]; clocking in at what could be half an hour tops depending on how long it takes for the player to complete the Tapu Koko battle.

* Retloclive: The final cut-scene after completing the Pokémon League takes [[EndingFatigue way too long]]; clocking in at what could be half an hour tops depending on how long it takes for the player to complete the Tapu Koko battle.

* Retloclive: For the most part, ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'' did its part as a decent remake of the Generation III games. However, one thing that really disappointed me upon playing through the game was how it completely ignored the storyline changes that were added in ''Pokémon Emerald''. Particularly, leaving out Team Magma's new hideout. Since ''Emerald'' had the player face off against both of Hoenn's evil teams, the game swapped around the base set-up of Team Magma where instead of having their hideout off the coast of Lilycove City, they're moved to the volcano of Mt. Chimney while Team Aqua kept the Lilycove coastal base. The change made much more sense towards Hoenn's world-building since Team Magma is now waking up Groudon from inside a volcano instead of the Seafloor Cavern, which ends up looking really out-of-place since the water cavern comes off like something that would only make sense for Kyogre. How cool would it have been if ''Omega Ruby'' had Team Magma's base in the volcano while ''Alpha Sapphire'' had Team Aqua's base at the usual Lilycove coast? It just comes off feeling like wasted potential, especially since the developers didn't have any problem adding the ''Pokémon Crystal'' story changes to ''[[Videogame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Pokémon [=HeartGold=] and [=SoulSilver=]]]'' beforehand.

* Retloclive: For the most part, ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'' did its part as a decent remake of the Generation III games. However, one thing that really disappointed me upon playing through the game was how it completely ignored the storyline changes that were added in ''Pokémon Emerald''. Particularly, leaving out Team Magma's new hideout. Since ''Emerald'' had the player face off against both of Hoenn's evil teams, the game swapped around the base set-up of Team Magma where instead of having their hideout off the coast of Lilycove City, they're moved to the volcano of Mt. Chimney while Team Aqua kept the Lilycove coastal base. The change made much more sense towards Hoenn's world-building since Team Magma is now waking up Groudon from inside a volcano instead of the Seafloor Cavern, which ends up looking really out-of-place since the water cavern comes off like something that would only make sense for Kyogre. How cool would it have been if ''Omega Ruby'' had Team Magma's base in the volcano while ''Alpha Sapphire'' had Team Aqua's base at the usual Lilycove coast? It just comes off feeling like wasted potential, and it's not like the developers were going for a beat-for-beat remake since they kept the ''Pokémon Crystal'' story changes to ''[[Videogame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Pokémon [=HeartGold=] and [=SoulSilver=]]]''.

* Retloclive: For the most part, ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'' did its part as a decent remake of the Generation III games. However, one thing that really disappointed me upon playing through the game was how it completely ignored the storyline changes that were added in ''Pokémon Emerald''. Particularly, leaving out Team Magma's new hideout. Since ''Emerald's'' had the player face off against both of Hoenn's evil teams, the game swapped around the base set-up of Team Magma where instead of having their hideout off the coast of Lilycove City, they're moved to the volcano of Mt. Chimney while Team Aqua kept the Lilycove coastal base. The change made much more sense towards Hoenn's world-building since Team Magma is now waking up Groudon from inside a volcano instead of the Seafloor Cavern, which ends up looking really out-of-place since the water cavern comes off like something that would only make sense for Kyogre. How cool would it have been if ''Omega Ruby'' had Team Magma's base in the volcano while ''Alpha Sapphire'' had Team Aqua's base at the usual Lilycove coast? It just comes off feeling like wasted potential, and it's not like the developers were going for a beat-for-beat remake since they kept the ''Pokémon Crystal'' story changes to ''[[Videogame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Pokémon [=HeartGold=] and [=SoulSilver=]]]''.

* Tropers/{{Videogmer314}}: [[VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky]]. The Perfect Apples incident. You're supposed to go to Apple Forest to collect Perfect Apples because Team Skull ate the stock while the guild was sleeping. Team Skull, being the jerks they are decide to give you a hard time (again) and follow you. When you get there, [[spoiler:Team Skull has beaten you to the punch and ambushes you, then steals the apples. Chatot decides this is somehow your team's fault, and he punishes you by making you go without dinner and face the wrath of the Guildmaster, only to find that Team Skull has saved one apple just for Wigglytuff just to rub salt into the wounds. The next morning, SmallNameBigEgo Chatot pretty much tells you "Don't get your hopes up" when asked about being picked to go on the upcoming expedition.]] This is what solidifies Chatot's status as TheScrappy of Time/Darkness/Sky by the way...

* Tropers/{{Arcadiarika}}: Speaking of ''Pokemon'', its other spinoff series, ''VideoGame/PokemonRanger'', has the infamous Yellow Gem incident in ''Shadows of Almia''. After going through Hippowdon Temple and defeating one of the Gem Masters, Heath shows up and offers the gem for your partner. The kicker when you say "No"? [[ButThouMust "Oh? You not care about Keith? Not a very good friend?"]] That's right, you have to give the gem up for your partner despite him/her not being in complete danger. All that hard work ruined. [[SarcasmMode Nice work, GameFreak, Creatures, Inc., etc., for doing such an infuriating scene.]]

A journey to catch all 802

!!!Pokémon Generation Series

!!!Other Pokémon Games

* Tropers/{{Arcadiarika}}: And speaking of ''Pokemon'', its other spinoff series, ''VideoGame/PokemonRanger'', has the infamous Yellow Gem incident in ''Shadows of Almia''. After going through Hippowdon Temple and defeating one of the Gem Masters, Heath shows up and offers the gem for your partner. The kicker when you say "No"? [[ButThouMust "Oh? You not care about Keith? Not a very good friend?"]] That's right, you have to give the gem up for your partner despite him/her not being in complete danger. All that hard work ruined. [[SarcasmMode Nice work, GameFreak, Creatures, Inc., etc., for doing such an infuriating scene.]]

!!Pokémon Generation Series

!!Other Pokémon Games